Derek1984 said:

^ That list doesn't mean a whole lot to me. I mean, these are song titles but that doesn't mean they were completed. Doesn't even mean anything was recorded. If anything, they are just ideas that might have turned into rough demos.

I'm assuming the songs he took the time to put a copyright on wre recorded in some form or fashion.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Derek1984 said:

^ That list doesn't mean a whole lot to me. I mean, these are song titles but that doesn't mean they were completed. Doesn't even mean anything was recorded. If anything, they are just ideas that might have turned into rough demos.

I'm assuming the songs he took the time to put a copyright on wre recorded in some form or fashion.

Like dm said it probably were all recorded in demo version or rough versions.

It's obviously an early recording of the song. I hate to say this but we'll now see grumpy fans come out and bash it to no end.

Unfinished as it may be, I'd take this and similar quality stuff over fake ass songs any day of the week.

I thought it was okay, kinda reminds me of something Sade would do. My biggest problem was the quality I wish it could have been better. It was also WAY overhyped considering how well Streetwalker and Fly Away were in comparison to some tracks that made Bad I thought the reviews said were plausible. Well (at least in my opinion) they weren't.

Xscaper said:

It's obviously an early recording of the song. I hate to say this but we'll now see grumpy fans come out and bash it to no end.

Unfinished as it may be, I'd take this and similar quality stuff over fake ass songs any day of the week.

I agree and I am glad it's not fake. But I think the issue here is, the Estate is claiming this song was from the BAD sessions, when vocally, myself and others are certain it sounds like from around 1982.

Grabbed this from MJJC:

A Message from the Estate Of Michael Jackson Re Wembley concert DVD Quality

^You can tell they sound pissed at all the hate

y'all need to go listen to dbma another time or two, ill admit i had to listen to it a few times, but i am so digging this track! i love it! ive probably listened to it about 15 times today! i can just visualize michael at the piano smiling and haveing fun recording.. ahh i love it so much!

Derek1984 said:

Grabbed this from MJJC:

A Message from the Estate Of Michael Jackson Re Wembley concert DVD Quality

FROM: JOHN BRANCA and JOHN McCLAIN
DATE: MAY 31, 2012
RE: BAD 25 RELEASE


It is great to see the overwhelming support and excitement in the fan community for the upcoming BAD 25 release. A few questions have arisen regarding the Wembley concert DVD. Although the press release wasn’t the place for background details, here is more information:

• We know that Nocturne captured on Umatic tapes the footage projected onto the JumboTrons at the various concerts including Wembley. These tapes were turned over to Michael’s crew and we have confirmed with Patrick Kelly (who headed Michael’s film crew for the European tour) that everything from Europe was sent to LA to be put in Michael’s storage facilities. The same procedures were followed for the US shows.

• Unfortunately, record-keeping in the storage facilities was sporadic, at best, so we do not know what happened to a tape once it was sent for storage. In most cases, once a tape was pulled from the box it arrived in, it was not put back in the original box and where it wound up doesn’t always make sense. As a result, 25 years later not all of the Umatic tapes from the various shows can be located, notwithstanding that we have conducted an extensive survey of all of the storage facilities. So while we believe that the Umatic tape for Wembley was initially sent for storage, we have not been able to locate it. And with regard to the Umatic footage of other concerts, the audio is extremely problematic and therefore these concerts are unusable.

• We know that VHS copies of the Umatics were made when Michael wanted to view a particular concert, but because of the lack of record-keeping, we also didn’t know which concerts existed on VHS. We ultimately did find Michael’s personal VHS viewing copy of the Wembley show attended by Princess Diana and Prince Charles, but not the Umatic. Even finding this VHS felt like a miracle to us!

• So while we continued the search for the Wembley Umatic master, we also researched the audio recordings that existed from all of the concerts including Wembley. Fortunately, the Wembley audio recordings were made using a sound truck, and appear to be the only multi-track recordings from the tour. The other audio/visual recordings that exist, whether Umatic or VHS, are “front of house” mixes, and therefore there are no separate audio recordings that can be used to create a high quality listening experience. It is for this reason that the Wembley audio is the only one suitable to create a live album.

• If we were going to include a live concert DVD in the BAD 25 release package, we had only one choice, Wembley. And there were only two options for visual – the Umatics for a different show or the VHS for Wembley. It would certainly be less expensive for the Estate to be able to create a DVD from a Umatic tape than to spend the time and money to painstakingly restore/enhance the VHS footage, but then we would not be delivering a truly authentic experience and we truly believe that watching this concert with the high quality audio will create a magical experience for all the fans as it has for us. We ultimately chose a lab that has developed its own proprietary technology for doing this kind of work (including restoration for NASA of VHS footage) in order to make the visual experience the best it can be under the circumstances.


We also could have chosen to release the Japanese concert from the first leg of the tour as there is a master of that show; but that concert was essentially a reincarnation of the Victory Tour with only two songs – “Bad” and “I Just Can’t Stop Loving You” – added at the end. It isn’t what we believe the fans would want.


We could have elected not to release a DVD as part of the BAD 25 celebration (and hold out hope that someday we might find the Umatic of the Wembley concert) or we could share with the fans the chance to relive that magical night with pristine audio. We made the decision to go with the latter and provide the fans with the most authentic viewing experience. We believe that the fans will agree it was the right choice when the package is released in September.

"I can only speak for the Bad Tour period where I recorded and mixed two Wembley Concerts (July 14th & 16th 1988) to multitrack.

Yes, Mike SANG pretty much everything - even toward the end of the show on the 16th (which was the third-day-straight-in-a-row show).

I listened to those mixes again recently after having put them away for over 20 years - my first reaction was 'omg this is wonderful' as the hairs stood straight up on the back of my neck, 2nd thought was 'thank god I didn't screw up'

Mike's performance on the 16th was way so markedly way beyond that of the 14th, and any other concert of his that I've heard from around that period (Dangerous tour included) - perhaps it had something to do with Lady Diana being there that night - he was obviously very happy, laughing and playing with the audience - it seems like it was a very special event for Mike and he most certainly sang his heart out.

There was no fraud Jim, Mike was the real deal.

The Bad Wembley recordings were commissioned to record concert audio for the Around The World documentary which was scheduled to be simulcast (simultaneoulsy released to air) on NBC, BBC, NHK and other broadcasters later that month on July 29th (I think).

I was told that whilst video for the documentary had been shot at a number of concerts throughout the tour, Mike felt that the audio thusfar, for reasons never elaborated on, was not up to scratch, so I was asked to record, mix and then sync snippets of audio to the documentary video master. It's a longer story than I have time for at the moment unfortunately.

The audio is of very high quality indeed (but then of course I would say that lol), having been recorded to Mitsi 32's. The multitracks were mixed with great care and 'honesty' - you guys who have worked on live concert recordings will know exactly what I mean by this.

In answer to your question, I don't actually know whether video recordings (suitable for post-production) of Wembley exist.

In the realms of supposition, I'd imagine that the IMAG (nocturne prods) video produced each night was fed from video mixer output (used to feed the giant screen, and that the seperate camera feeds were likely not recorded discreetly however I may be completely wrong on this.

Patrick Kelley, who directed Around the World, did have a 7 man camera crew working on the 14th (this was in addition to the giant screen video crew) and some of that footage was used in both the 'Another Part of Me' video (which used footage from Wembley 14th and also Paris) and was also used in the Around the World Documentary.

Patrick's crew were using in-cam recorders but I seem to remember they only recorded the first part of the show on the 14th

Nevertheless, even if matching video does not exist, it would be a great pity if the wembley recordings were never released - the outstanding quality of Mike's performance on the 16th imho cries out to be heard - only the estate could tell you if and when " (Gearslutz 2009, one of the engineers from Wembley)

I added the gearslutz commentaries to make people understand the situation, that I've been speculating for months about with my friends. So I really hope that nocturnes productions has some more material or that they find the master tape of the Bad tour, because even tho they're fixing it with some new techniques, there should be some footage that's like the "Another part of me" video even if they use clips from other shows. Also I think that the estate should release the first leg Bad Tour even tho most of us have it in bad quality, because I know many people who'd enjoy it. We still dont have any Dvds from the Victory tour either, so they should just release the first leg tour too. I mean it's just crazy that Mike only has 1 offical Dvd!

dm3857 said:

GoldDolphin said:

Some songs that the estate should have ;

A:
A Baby Smiles (1999) (Michael Jackson)
Al Capone (1982) (Michael Jackson, Rod Temperton)
All My Children (2000) (Michael Jackson, Teddy Riley, R. C. Stites)
Alright Now (1990) (Michael Jackson) +
Angel (1999) (Babyface, Michael Jackson)
Another Day (2002) (Michael Jackson, Lenny Kravitz) +
B:
Beautiful Girl (2004) (Michael Jackson) +
Bless My Soul (1980) (Michael Jackson, Quincy Jones)
Buffalo Bill (1985) (Michael Jackson)
Bumper Snippet (1986) (Michael Jackson, Bill Botrell) +
Bottle Of Smoke (1989) (Michael Jackson)
Bubble (1991) (Michael Jackson)
Basszouille (1994) (Michael Jackson, Bruce Swedien)
Be Me 4 A Day (1998) (Michael Jackson)
Belong 2 (1999) (Michael Jackson, Teddy Riley)
Breaking (2004) (Michael Jackson)
Bad Girl (1999) (Michael Jackson) +

C:
Circus Girl / Carousel (1982) (Michael Sembello, D. Freeman) +
Crack Kills (1986) (Michael Jackson)
Chicago 1945 (1987) (Michael Jackson, Steve Pocaro)
Cheater (1987) (Michael Jackson , Greg Phillinganes) +
California Grass (1993) (Michael Jackson)
Children's Holiday (1998) (Michael Jackson) +
Can't Stop Me Now (1998) (Michael Jackson)
Can You Feel Me (2000) (Michael Jackson, Teddy Riley, Tyrese)
Creep In' (2000) (Michael Jackson)
Crush (2002) (Michael Jackson, Lenny Kravitz) +
D:
Deep In The Night (1992) (Michael Jackson, Bill Bottrell)
Dreams (1993) (Michael Jackson)
Do You Want Me (2000) (Michael Jackson, Sisqo, Dru Hill)
Do You Love Me (2000) (Babyface, Michael Jackson)
Do You Know Where Your Children Are (2001) (Michael Jackson)
Dead Or Alive (2004) (Michael Jackson)

E:
Elisabeth, I Love You (1996) (Michael Jackson) +
Easy (1999) (Michael Jackson)
Edgar Allan Poe (2000) (Michael Jackson, Walter Afanasieff)
Entertainment Tonight (2000) (Michael Jackson)
Escape (2001) (Michael Jackson, Rodney Jerkins, La Shawn Daniels, Fred Jerkins III, Harvey Jay Mason) +
Ekam Satyam - The One Truth (2001) (Michael Jackson, A.R. Rahman)

F:
Far Far Away (1983) (Michael Jackson, Carole Bayer-Sager, David Foster)
Fly Away (1987) (Michael Jackson) +
Fever/ Hot Fever (1989) (Michael Jackson)
Faces/Pretty Faces (1991) (Michael Jackson, Stevie Wonder)
Fear (1993) (Michael Jackson)
Fall Again (1999) (Walter Afanasieff, Robin Thicke) Face (1999) (Michael Jackson) +
Free (2000) (Carole Bayer-Sager, Michael Jackson)
Fantasy (2000) (Michael Jackson)
Force (2003) (Michael Jackson, Irv Gotti, Ashanti, Ja Rule)
G:
Goin' To Rio (1978) (Michael Jackson, Carole Bayer-Sager)
Girls Of Another Love (1987) (Michael Jackson)
Groove Of Midnight (1987) (Michael Jackson)
Get Your Weight Off Me (2001) (Michael Jackson) +
Get Around (2001) (Michael Jackson, Rodney Jerkins, Fred Jerkins, La Shawn Daniels)

H:
Holiday Inn (1979) (Michael Jackson)
Hotstreet / Got The Hots (1982) (Michael Jackson) +
Heaven Is Here (1991) (Michael Jackson)
House Of Style (2001) (Michael Jackson, Teddy Riley, Tyrese, Andre Harris)
Healing My Feelings (2004) (Michael Jackson)

I:
Iowa (1978) (Michael Jackson)
If You Don't Love Me (1989) (Michael Jackson) +
In The Back (1999) (Michael Jackson) +
I Forgive You (2000) (Michael Jackson)
I Have This Love Of Me (2000) (Michael Jackson)
I Don't Live Anymore (2001) (Michael Jackson)
In The Valley (2001) (Michael Jackson, Tyrese)
I Have This Dream (2002) (Michael Jackson, Carole Bayer-Sager, David Foster, Ric Kipp) +

J:

K:
Kentucky (1979) (Michael Jackson)
Kick It (2000) (Michael Jackson, Rodney Jerkins, Fred Jerkins, La Shawn Daniels, Norman Gregg)
L:
Learned My Lesson (1987) (Michael Jackson)
Lonely Man (1999) (Michael Jackson)
Little Girls (2000) (Michael Jackson)
Llama Lola (2000) (Michael Jackson)
Lonely Bird (2000) (Michael Jackson)
Lucy Is In Love With Linus (2001) (Michael Jackson)

M:
Monkey Business (1989) (Michael Jackson, Bill Bottrell) +
Mind Is The Magic (1990) (Michael Jackson) +
Men In Black (1990) (Michael Jackson, Teddy Riley)
Make A Wish (1999) (Michael Jackson)
Michael Mckeller (2000) (Michael Jackson)
Much Too Soon (2000) (Michael Jackson)
Maybe We Can Do It (2001) (Michael Jackson, P.Diddy, Rodney Jerkins)
Make Or Break (2001) (Michael Jackson, Teddy Riley)
Maybe Tomorrow (2003) (Michael Jackson)
N:
Nite Line (1985) (Michael Jackson) +
New Attitudes (2001) (Michael Jackson)

O:
Ode To Sorrow (1977) (Michael Jackson)
On The Line (1996) (Michael Jackson, Babyface) +
On My Anger (2000) (Michael Jackson, Teddy Riley, Blackstreet)

P:
Planet Earth (1991) (Michael Jackson) +
Peaceful Journey (1993) (Michael Jackson)
People Of The World (1999) (Michael Jackson)
People Have To Make Some Kind Of Joke (2000) (Michael Jackson)
Pressure (2003) (Michael Jackson, Rodney Jerkins, La Shawn Daniels, Fred Jerkins III, Harvey Jay Mason) Prayer For Peace (2003) (Michael Jackson, Barry Gibb)

R:
Red Eye (2000) (Michael Jackson)
Revolution (2001) (Michael Jackson)
Resurrection (2003) (Michael Jackson)
S:
Susie (1979) (Michael Jackson)
Sunset Driver (1982) (Michael Jackson) +
Somewhere In Time (1982) (Michael Jackson)
Space Dance (1982) (Michael Jackson) +
Someone In The Dark (1982) (Michael Jackson, Rod Temperton, Alan Bergman, Marilyn Bergman) +
Scared Of The Moon (1984) (Michael Jackson, Buz Kohan) +
Saturday (1986) (Michael Jackson)
Streetwalker (1986) (Michael Jackson, Bill Botrell) +
Stand Tall (1987) (Michael Jackson)
Seven Digits (1989) (Michael Jackson)
Splash, We Can Get Wet Babe (1989) (Michael Jackson, D. Brack, L. Jackson)
Stay (1989) (Michael Jackson)
She Got It (1990) (Michael Jackson, Bill Botrell, Teddy Riley) +
Serious Effect (1990) (Michael Jackson, Teddy Riley, LL Cool J) +
Seven Bright New Stars (1991) (Michael Jackson, Lionel Richie, D. Brack)
Someone Put Your Hand Out (1992) (Michael Jackson, Teddy Riley) +
Secret Passage (1996) (Michael Jackson)
Stop The War (1999) (Michael Jackson, Carole Bayer-Sager)
Saved By The Bell (2000) (Michael Jackson)
Sheґs Not A Girl (2000) (Michael Jackson)
Shy Shy (2000) (Michael Jackson)
Sister Sue (2000) (Michael Jackson)
Song with Jae-R, Omer Bhatti (2004) (Michael Jackson, Jae-R, Omer Bhatti)
Soldier's Entrance (2001) (Michael Jackson)
Seduction (2003) (Michael Jackson, Shelby Lee Myrick II)
She Was Lovin' Me (2001) (Michael Jackson, Teddy Riley, Mark C. Rooney)
Seeing Voices (2001) (Sidney Fine, Michael Jackson, Ray Charles Choir) +
Shout (2001) (Michael Jackson, Teddy Riley)+
Still Got It (2003) (Michael Jackson) +
T:
This Is It (1979) (Michael Jackson) +
There Must Be More To Life Than This (1983) (Michael Jackson, Freddie Mercury) +
The Toy (1984) (Michael Jackson)
Trouble (1985) (Michael Jackson) +
The Prince Of Fame (1986) (Michael Jackson)
Throwin' Your Life Away (1987) (Michael Jackson)
Tomboy (1987) (Michael Jackson, Quincy Jones)
Trust About Youth (1991) (Michael Jackson)
The Sky Is The Limit (1998) (Michael Jackson)
Thank Heaven (1998) (Michael Jackson)
Tubeway (1999) (Michael Jackson)
Triple Threat Cable (1999) (Michael Jackson)
The Childrenґs Hour (1999) (Michael Jackson)
To The World (2000) (Michael Jackson, Carole Bayer-Sager)
The Gloved One (2000) (Michael Jackson, Sisqo)
This Is Our Time (2000) (Michael Jackson, David Foster, Lauryn Hill)
Turning Me Off (2000) (Michael Jackson)
Tragedy Of A Cheerleader (2001) (Michael Jackson)
That Kind Of Lover (2001) (A1, Ray Ruffin, Michael Jackson)
The Way You Love Me (2004) (Michael Jackson) +
The Pain (2003) (Michael Jackson, Rodney Jerkins, Harvey Jay Mason, Shawn Stockman)
Trash (2003) (Michael Jackson, Irv Gotti)
Trust In My Heart (2003) (Michael Jackson)
This'll Make You Cry (2003) (Michael Jackson)

U:
Under Your Skin (1979) (Michael Jackson)

V:
Victory (1984) (Michael Jackson) +
Vibrationist (1998) (Michael Jackson, Teddy Riley)
Visions (2003) (Michael Jackson)

W:
We've Had Enough (2004) (Michael Jackson, Rodney Jerkins, Fred Jerkins, L. Daniels, Carole Bayer Sager) +
We Are The Ones (2000) (Michael Jackson)
We Are Here To Change The World (1986) (Michael Jackson, John Barnes)+
We Are The World (solo version) (1985) (Michael Jackson, Lionel Richie)+
We Be Ballin' (2003) (Michael Jackson, Shaquille O'Neal, Raz-B, Ice Cube) What's A Guy+ Gotta Do (2000) (Michael Jackson, Pharell Williams)
What`s Your Life (2000) (Michael Jackson)
What About Me (2004) (Michael Jackson)
What More Can I Give / Todo Para Ti (2002) (Michael Jackson, Marc Schaffel, Allstars) +
Why Can't It Be (1984) (Michael Jackson)
Who Do You Know (2000) (Michael Jackson)
Who Is The Girl With The Hair Down (2000) (Michael Jackson)
Work That Body (1989) (Michael Jackson, Bill Botrell) +

Y:
You're A Liar, Brother (2001) (Michael Jackson)
You Are So Beautiful (2005) (Michael Jackson)
You Ainґt Gonna Change Nothing (2001) (Michael Jackson)
You Cry (1992) (Michael Jackson)
You Told Me Your Lovin' (1979) (Michael Jackson)
You Were There (1985) (Michael Jackson)

thats 171 songs, think about every thing the estate could do!

and there are more than that, i have 193 in my list (and im probably missing a bunch,lol)

A

a baby smiles

al capone

all in your name

alright now

angel

another day

another part of me (early version)

a place with no name

B

babys fire

bad company

bad girl

bang your head

bass(z)oulle

belong 2

be me 4 a day

black or white demo

bottle of smoke

broken chair

buffalo bill

C

california grass

can you

carousel

chicago 1945

chicago 1945 (new version/rerecorded)

children of the world

color of my soul

crack kills

cry (not the one written by r kelly for invincible)

D

D.I.E

days of the broken hearted

deep in the night

doing dirty

dont be messin around

dont make me stay

do the bartman

do you know where your children are

do you love me

do you want me

dreams

E

edgar allan poe

escape

F

face

fall again

fanfare transmition

fantasy

far far away

fear

free

from the bottom of my heart

G

get around

ghost (early version)

girls of another lover

give into me demo

goin to rio

gone to soon demo

goodness knows

got the hots

got to find a way somehow

groove of midnight

H

H2O

heal the world demo

he who makes the sky grey

holiday inn

hot fever (twymmf demo)

hot street

I

i am a loser

i dont live anymore

i dont live here anymore

i forgive you

if we still love

if you dont get it

if you dont love me

i have this dream

i have this love of me

ill be there (adult version)

im dreamin

im still the king

in the back

in the closet demo

in the life of chico

in the valley

iowa

i was the loser

i will miss you

J

jam demo

K

kentucky

kick it

L

lady of summer

learned my lesson

light the way

little girls

little susie (early version)

llama Lola

lonely bird

lonely man

love never felt so good

lucy is in love with linus

M

make a wish

make or break

maybe we can do it

men in black

michael mckellar

monkey buisness

much too soon

N

neverland landing

niteline

nona

nymphette lover

O

ode to sorrow

on my anger

on the line

P

people have to make some kind of joke

power

pressure

pyramid girl (liberian girl demo)

R

red Eye

remember the time demo

rock with you (demo)

rolling the dice

S

saved by the bell

scared of the moon

seduction

seeing voices

serious effect

seven bright new stars

seven digits

she got it

shes not a girl

she was lovin me

shout

silent Spring

sister sue

slapstik

slipped away

soldiers entrance

someone in the dark

someone put your hand out

somewhere in time

stand tall

startin something (early version of wbss)

stay

stay

stop the war

sunset driver

susie

sweet music

T

thank heaven that

thank you for life

that girl

that kind of lover

the childrens hour

the future

the girl is mine (demo)

the gloved one

the love you save (adult version)

the nelson mandela song

the pain

the price of fame

there must be more to life than this

the toy

the way you love me

this is our time

throwin your life away

tomboy

tragedy of a cheerleader

trouble

tubeway

turning me off

U

under your skin

unknown title (charity anthem for tsunami)

V

vibrationist

victory (w/ freddy mercury)

W

water

we are the ones

we be ballin

weve had enough

what a lonely way to go

whats it gonna be

what you do to me

when you wish upon a star

who do you know

who is it demo

who is the girl with her hair down

whos bad (bad demo)

why cant i be

why shy

wonderful world of candy

work that body

Y

you're a liar, brother

you aint gonna change nothin

you are so beautiful

you not me

you told me your lovin

Just curious. Where do you get these lists? Who released all these song titles? Remember a couple months prior to "Michael" album release, there have been many fan-made albums circulating on youtube. I believe one of them was called 'The Future' or something and I think it had song titles like "water", "dance 4 me", etc. I'm just saying, how do you know if these lists don't contain song names that were just made up by some fans?

Emancipation89 said:

dm3857 said:

thats 171 songs, think about every thing the estate could do!

and there are more than that, i have 193 in my list (and im probably missing a bunch,lol)

A

a baby smiles

al capone

all in your name

alright now

angel

another day

another part of me (early version)

a place with no name

B

babys fire

bad company

bad girl

bang your head

bass(z)oulle

belong 2

be me 4 a day

black or white demo

bottle of smoke

broken chair

buffalo bill

C

california grass

can you

carousel

chicago 1945

chicago 1945 (new version/rerecorded)

children of the world

color of my soul

crack kills

cry (not the one written by r kelly for invincible)

D

D.I.E

days of the broken hearted

deep in the night

doing dirty

dont be messin around

dont make me stay

do the bartman

do you know where your children are

do you love me

do you want me

dreams

E

edgar allan poe

escape

F

face

fall again

fanfare transmition

fantasy

far far away

fear

free

from the bottom of my heart

G

get around

ghost (early version)

girls of another lover

give into me demo

goin to rio

gone to soon demo

goodness knows

got the hots

got to find a way somehow

groove of midnight

H

H2O

heal the world demo

he who makes the sky grey

holiday inn

hot fever (twymmf demo)

hot street

I

i am a loser

i dont live anymore

i dont live here anymore

i forgive you

if we still love

if you dont get it

if you dont love me

i have this dream

i have this love of me

ill be there (adult version)

im dreamin

im still the king

in the back

in the closet demo

in the life of chico

in the valley

iowa

i was the loser

i will miss you

J

jam demo

K

kentucky

kick it

L

lady of summer

learned my lesson

light the way

little girls

little susie (early version)

llama Lola

lonely bird

lonely man

love never felt so good

lucy is in love with linus

M

make a wish

make or break

maybe we can do it

men in black

michael mckellar

monkey buisness

much too soon

N

neverland landing

niteline

nona

nymphette lover

O

ode to sorrow

on my anger

on the line

P

people have to make some kind of joke

power

pressure

pyramid girl (liberian girl demo)

R

red Eye

remember the time demo

rock with you (demo)

rolling the dice

S

saved by the bell

scared of the moon

seduction

seeing voices

serious effect

seven bright new stars

seven digits

she got it

shes not a girl

she was lovin me

shout

silent Spring

sister sue

slapstik

slipped away

soldiers entrance

someone in the dark

someone put your hand out

somewhere in time

stand tall

startin something (early version of wbss)

stay

stay

stop the war

sunset driver

susie

sweet music

T

thank heaven that

thank you for life

that girl

that kind of lover

the childrens hour

the future

the girl is mine (demo)

the gloved one

the love you save (adult version)

the nelson mandela song

the pain

the price of fame

there must be more to life than this

the toy

the way you love me

this is our time

throwin your life away

tomboy

tragedy of a cheerleader

trouble

tubeway

turning me off

U

under your skin

unknown title (charity anthem for tsunami)

V

vibrationist

victory (w/ freddy mercury)

W

water

we are the ones

we be ballin

weve had enough

what a lonely way to go

whats it gonna be

what you do to me

when you wish upon a star

who do you know

who is it demo

who is the girl with her hair down

whos bad (bad demo)

why cant i be

why shy

wonderful world of candy

work that body

Y

you're a liar, brother

you aint gonna change nothin

you are so beautiful

you not me

you told me your lovin

Just curious. Where do you get these lists? Who released all these song titles? Remember a couple months prior to "Michael" album release, there have been many fan-made albums circulating on youtube. I believe one of them was called 'The Future' or something and I think it had song titles like "water", "dance 4 me", etc. I'm just saying, how do you know if these lists don't contain song names that were just made up by some fans?

Deposition 93, producers & engineers who've mentioned certain songs. Leaked songs/demos.

GoldDolphin said:

Emancipation89 said:

Just curious. Where do you get these lists? Who released all these song titles? Remember a couple months prior to "Michael" album release, there have been many fan-made albums circulating on youtube. I believe one of them was called 'The Future' or something and I think it had song titles like "water", "dance 4 me", etc. I'm just saying, how do you know if these lists don't contain song names that were just made up by some fans?

Deposition 93, producers & engineers who've mentioned certain songs. Leaked songs/demos.

Haven't you noticed the list contains a lot more than just leaked demos and deposition from 93 and all that?

Which producer ever mentioned "water"?

GoldDolphin said:

Emancipation89 said:

Just curious. Where do you get these lists? Who released all these song titles? Remember a couple months prior to "Michael" album release, there have been many fan-made albums circulating on youtube. I believe one of them was called 'The Future' or something and I think it had song titles like "water", "dance 4 me", etc. I'm just saying, how do you know if these lists don't contain song names that were just made up by some fans?

Deposition 93, producers & engineers who've mentioned certain songs. Leaked songs/demos.

yes, i remember "the future" lol. but no, this is not some rinkey dinky list.. please know that i did not just go on youtube and type in "michael jackson unreleased" and then just write down everything i saw.. no. what i did do was read multiple interviews from many producers,read the for the record book, and joe vogels book, and as gold dolphin said the 93 deposition and snippets of leaks.. rest assure the songs are real, and recorded.. not all may be "finished" but alot are, and then alot are demos. and there is probably 2 times that many that we dont even know about.. gets me excited when i think about it. lol

Emancipation89 said:

GoldDolphin said:

Deposition 93, producers & engineers who've mentioned certain songs. Leaked songs/demos.

Haven't you noticed the list contains a lot more than just leaked demos and deposition from 93 and all that?

Which producer ever mentioned "water"?

The songs Water,Bang Your Head,Broken Chair,D.I.E, H2O,Lady of Summer,Red Eye, Silent Spring were all recorded in 2008/2009, most in 2009. and they are all copyrighted from the Michael Jackson Estate.

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Emancipation89 said:

dm3857 said:

The songs Water,Bang Your Head,Broken Chair,D.I.E, H2O,Lady of Summer,Red Eye, Silent Spring were all recorded in 2008/2009, most in 2009. and they are all copyrighted from the Michael Jackson Estate.

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Cool this helped a lot! If it says the song is registered as an electronic file for both music & lyrics, does that mean it's a recorded file with vocals?

your very welcome. and yes, the tracks have vocals to my knowledge

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it's obvious from listening, but if you needed more evidence.... this is from Rolling Stone's tribute to Michael that came out a couple of months after he passed.

Seems strange that the Estate and Sony can't match songs up to the correct era. Oh well.

When Michael was still alive, Sony put the Dangerous outtake version of "For All Time" and it's not sure if a 1982 demo version of the song even exists. They could've put "Got the Hots" and "Don't Be Messin' Around" on T25 but for some reason they didn't.

Timmy84 said:

When Michael was still alive, Sony put the Dangerous outtake version of "For All Time" and it's not sure if a 1982 demo version of the song even exists. They could've put "Got the Hots" and "Don't Be Messin' Around" on T25 but for some reason they didn't.

I don't understand why they didn't include it. It was scheduled to appear on Thriller 25 but pulled at the last minute.

Timmy84 said:

When Michael was still alive, Sony put the Dangerous outtake version of "For All Time" and it's not sure if a 1982 demo version of the song even exists. They could've put "Got the Hots" and "Don't Be Messin' Around" on T25 but for some reason they didn't.

Sony put Got The Hots on the Japan version of T25. But yeah, not sure why they didn't include that song on the US version.

Militant said:

it's obvious from listening, but if you needed more evidence.... this is from Rolling Stone's tribute to Michael that came out a couple of months after he passed.

Seems strange that the Estate and Sony can't match songs up to the correct era. Oh well.

That's what bothers me. I feel like The Estate/Sony thinks we're dumb and thinks we're not going to notice these things...

ViintageJunkiie said:

Timmy84 said:

When Michael was still alive, Sony put the Dangerous outtake version of "For All Time" and it's not sure if a 1982 demo version of the song even exists. They could've put "Got the Hots" and "Don't Be Messin' Around" on T25 but for some reason they didn't.

I don't understand why they didn't include it. It was scheduled to appear on Thriller 25 but pulled at the last minute.

I don't get it either. Motown's compilations never messed up his timeline so why would Sony do that?

Timmy84 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

I don't understand why they didn't include it. It was scheduled to appear on Thriller 25 but pulled at the last minute.

I don't get it either. Motown's compilations never messed up his timeline so why would Sony do that?

Because Sony doesn't give a damn about MJ...

ViintageJunkiie said:

Timmy84 said:

I don't get it either. Motown's compilations never messed up his timeline so why would Sony do that?

Because Sony doesn't give a damn about MJ...

I can't argue that thinking but yet they still forked over $250 million to the Estate. Go figure..

ViintageJunkiie said:

Timmy84 said:

I don't get it either. Motown's compilations never messed up his timeline so why would Sony do that?

Because Sony doesn't give a damn about MJ...

They didnt when he was alive...... and they dont now.

Derek1984 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Because Sony doesn't give a damn about MJ...

I can't argue that thinking but yet they still forked over $250 million to the Estate. Go figure..

This sums up the reason why...

Just a pile of hot stinking mess...on ALL fronts.

What would be really cool is if the Estate had every single demo that Michael ever made in their possession, and if they had Sony release CD singles of Michael's songs. But instead of these singles having a bunch of remixes on them instead it would be all the demos that Michael recorded for that particular song. For example, say they released the single of TWYMMF but included all or most of the demos that Mike recorded from that song. It would be so interesting to hear the creative process of how that song came to be, from its embryonic stage to the full birth of the song that ended up on the Bad album. Now that would be heavenly! Oh well, a fan can always dream....