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Reply #330 posted 03/25/11 4:46pm

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BklynBabe said:

Why egg someone on that you know has an anger problem? Would you want someone bringing your past mistakes every day? Is there really anything new to tell about that situation? Really?!?

If the media truly egged him on, then they're wrong for that, but hey that's the media for you.

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Reply #331 posted 03/25/11 7:49pm

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Why won't people let him get passed that. If I'm not mistaken Rhianna got some hits on Chris too, actually didn't she put her hands on him first. She wasn't as innocent as she was made out to be. So, imo, she should have had her ass arrested and charged too. She's been allowed to play the victim for too long. I'm sick of the whole thing.

He was there to promote his music, not revisit his past. I'm not defending him by no means; he does need to control his anger issues. My issue is the people who want to act like they wouldn't have gotten upset too had they been in a similar situation. Please, they know they would have, maybe not to the point of vandalism, but they would have definitely addressed it. Remember Prince and Rosie's TAFKAP comments. Or Denzel telling the interviewer that they were going to stop the interview, go to commercial and when they returned, she's going to ask a different question. And they did just that. lol

So, would we be still talking about this had he (Chris) just abruptly ended the interview and left or threaten to leave if they didn't move on to another question? People tend to be a bit pity when they feel vested in someone's missteps, so yeah. Poor kid, he can't win for losing. He did the crime (took sole responsibility) and did the time. Let's all move pass this.

In this particular case, it's best to look at the evidence, read the police report and statements to understand who was charged, and who wasn't. There was a perpetrator and there was a victim, Mr. Brown was the perpetrator. Even so, in a court of law "hood rules", "playground rules", and/or "street justice" don't apply. Our penitentary system is full of people serving years to life because someone hit them first, insulted their pride, or "dissed them".

That being said.....

Mr. Brown isn't a "poor kid" he's an adult. Maybe that's one of his problems he's still thinks like a child so he reacts like a child. Aside from his quick temper, I think Mr. Brown is easily frustrated because he's woefully inarticulate. I'm going to assume he has or had a publicist to assist him in answering any questions about the beating he gave Ms. Fenty and his subsequent conviction of felonious assault. Mr. Brown should've been sitting up straight and looking Ms. Roberts in the eye during the entire interview. His first mistake. Mr. Brown second mistake: he could have easily turned her words into a postive.

Mr. Brown could've said something along these lines: "The request to ease the court imposed restraining order is indicative of the progess I've made these past two years. The judge made note at my last court hearing she was pleased that I've abided by and met all terms and conditions of my parole. No, Rihanna and I haven't spoken to each other and we've both moved on with our lives pursuing our own goals. Needless to say I can't change what took place, I did it , I've apologized , and I'm taking the neccesary steps I need to become a better person. I know the progress I've made these past two years shall continue. I'm also going about my work, my passion.... doing what I do best music and singing. That's why I'm here today, to talk about me new album -"F.A.M.E".

If Ms. Roberts had asked the question again another way he should've repeated the latter

statement, calmly. How hard is that? If his publicist or record label threw him out there thinking he wasn't going to be asked these questions, they haven't served their client well.

Another thing, some people are NEVER going to forget or forgive Mr. Brown for what he did. This isn't uncommon for people who've been charged and convicted of a crime, in fact it's par for the course. If his lawyers haven't explained this to him, they haven't served their client well. My advice to him would be to humble himself, suck it up, and, take it... he has no choice, he's made his bed...

GMA or any other media outlet / talk shows don't need Chris Brown but he needs them.

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[Edited 3/25/11 20:45pm]

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Reply #332 posted 03/25/11 10:03pm

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TD3 said:

mimi02 said:

Why won't people let him get passed that. If I'm not mistaken Rhianna got some hits on Chris too, actually didn't she put her hands on him first. She wasn't as innocent as she was made out to be. So, imo, she should have had her ass arrested and charged too. She's been allowed to play the victim for too long. I'm sick of the whole thing.

He was there to promote his music, not revisit his past. I'm not defending him by no means; he does need to control his anger issues. My issue is the people who want to act like they wouldn't have gotten upset too had they been in a similar situation. Please, they know they would have, maybe not to the point of vandalism, but they would have definitely addressed it. Remember Prince and Rosie's TAFKAP comments. Or Denzel telling the interviewer that they were going to stop the interview, go to commercial and when they returned, she's going to ask a different question. And they did just that. lol

So, would we be still talking about this had he (Chris) just abruptly ended the interview and left or threaten to leave if they didn't move on to another question? People tend to be a bit pity when they feel vested in someone's missteps, so yeah. Poor kid, he can't win for losing. He did the crime (took sole responsibility) and did the time. Let's all move pass this.

In this particular case, it's best to look at the evidence, read the police report and statements to understand who was charged, and who wasn't. There was a perpetrator and there was a victim, Mr. Brown was the perpetrator. Even so, in a court of law "hood rules", "playground rules", and/or "street justice" don't apply. Our penitentary system is full of people serving years to life because someone hit them first, insulted their pride, or "dissed them".

That being said.....

Mr. Brown isn't a "poor kid" he's an adult. Maybe that's one of his problems he's still thinks like a child so he reacts like a child. Aside from his quick temper, I think Mr. Brown is easily frustrated because he's woefully inarticulate. I'm going to assume he has or had a publicist to assist him in answering any questions about the beating he gave Ms. Fenty and his subsequent conviction of felonious assault. Mr. Brown should've been sitting up straight and looking Ms. Roberts in the eye during the entire interview. His first mistake. Mr. Brown second mistake: he could have easily turned her words into a postive.

Mr. Brown could've said something along these lines: "The request to ease the court imposed restraining order is indicative of the progess I've made these past two years. The judge made note at my last court hearing she was pleased that I've abided by and met all terms and conditions of my parole. No, Rihanna and I haven't spoken to each other and we've both moved on with our lives pursuing our own goals. Needless to say I can't change what took place, I did it , I've apologized , and I'm taking the neccesary steps I need to become a better person. I know the progress I've made these past two years shall continue. I'm also going about my work, my passion.... doing what I do best music and singing. That's why I'm here today, to talk about me new album -"F.A.M.E".

If Ms. Roberts had asked the question again another way he should've repeated the latter

statement, calmly. How hard is that? If his publicist or record label threw him out there thinking he wasn't going to be asked these questions, they haven't served their client well.

Another thing, some people are NEVER going to forget or forgive Mr. Brown for what he did. This isn't uncommon for people who've been charged and convicted of a crime, in fact it's par for the course. If his lawyers haven't explained this to him, they haven't served their client well. My advice to him would be to humble himself, suck it up, and, take it... he has no choice, he's made his bed...

GMA or any other media outlet / talk shows don't need Chris Brown but he needs them.

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I'm speaking on what I've seen and that has nothing to do with "hood/street justice or playground rules". That's why neither was mentioned in either of my previous posts on this issue. Regardless of who started what, both parties were arrested and charged. I guess that doesn't apply in your neck of the woods. But here, in suburbia, it certainly does.

Also, Chris Brown is a "poor kid", because apparently he is honestly under the impression that he will be able to get pass this. It's called wishful thinking. So, for that I will continue to refer to him as such. I just find it sad that some members of the general public, feel that it's their God-given right to play judge and jury in people lives that they have no vested interest in. We're all very flawed individuals, unless we suffer from delusions of grandiose. So, you're right when you say that some people will never forgive him. But, it's kind of pointless to live life holding a grudge. There's better, more worthy issues to spend that kind of energy on.

Chris isn't the first "celeb'' to fuck up on this level and he won't be the last. But at least, stop being wishy-washy on how each will be perceived.

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Reply #333 posted 03/25/11 10:09pm

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Did u guys see this before? This is the first time I'm seeing it.

Open letter to Chris Brown by Kevin Powell

Dear Chris:

I really did not want to write this open letter, and would have preferred to speak to you in person, in private. Indeed, ever since the domestic violence incident with Rihanna two years ago there have been attempts, by some of the women currently or formerly in your circle, women who love and care deeply about you, to bring you and I together, as they felt my own life story, my own life experiences, might be of some help in your journey. For whatever reasons, that never happened. By pure coincidence, I wound up in a Harlem recording studio with you about three months ago, as I was meeting up with R&B singer Olivia and her manager. You were hosting a listening session for your album-in-progress and the room was filled with gushing supporters, with a very large security guard outside the studio door. I was allowed in, as I assume you knew my name, and my long relationship to the music industry. I greeted you and said I would love to have a talk with you, but I am not even sure you heard a single word I said above the loud music. I gave your security person my card when I left, asked him to ask you to phone me, but you never did, for whatever reasons. And that is fine.

But I have thought of you long and hard as I’ve watched you, from a distance, as you dealt with the charges of physical violence against your then-girlfriend Rihanna, as you were being pummeled by the media and abandoned by many fans, admirers, and endorsers, and ridiculed on the social networks. You were 19 when the altercation with Rihanna occurred, and you are only 21 now. Yes, you’ve achieved both international fame and success in a way most people your age, or any age, could never imagine. But you also are at a very serious crossroads because of the dishonor of your persona derived from your beating Rihanna. There is no way to get around this, Chris. You must deal with it, as a man, now and forever. For our past can both be a prison we are locked in permanently or it can be the key to our freedom if we glean the lessons from it, and deal with it directly. All the external pressures and forces will be there, Chris, but no one can free us but ourselves. And it must start in our minds and in our souls.

That is why I was very saddened to hear about your recent appearance on ABC’s “Good Morning America,” to promote your new cd “F.A.M.E.” The interview was embarrassing, to say the least, you slouched through the entire episode, and you were so clearly defensive as Robin Roberts, the interviewer, threw you what I thought were very easy questions about the Rihanna saga. I get that you want to move past it. But that is not going to happen, Chris, until people see real humility, real redemption, and real changes in how you conduct yourself both publicly and privately. Whether the interview and what happened at ABC studios were a publicity stunt to push your album sales is not the point (as has been suggested in some online blogs). It has been spread across the internet, and throughout the world, that you ripped off your shirt following that interview, got in the face of one of the show’s producers in a threatening manner, and that somehow the window in your dressing room was smashed with a chair. And then there are the photos of you, shirtless, walking outside the ABC studios looking, well, pissed off, immediately after. Finally, you tweeted, somewhere in the midst of that morning, Chris, “I’m so over people bring this past s**t up!! Yet we praise Charlie Sheen and other celebs for [their] bullsh**t.”

Yes, that tweet was taken down very quickly, but not before it was spread near and far also, Chris. And it was a tweet written with raw honesty and, for sure, raw emotion. Very clear to me, as it is to so many of us watching your life unfold in public, that you are deeply wounded, that you are hurt by what you have experienced the past two years. That you’ve never actually healed from what you witnessed as a child, either, of your mother being beaten savagely by your stepfather, and how that must’ve made you feel, in your bones. You’ve said in interviews, long before the Rihanna incident happened, that it made you scared, timid, and that you wet the bed because of the wild, untamed emotions that swirled in your being. I am certain you felt powerless, just as powerless as I felt as a boy when my mother, who I love dearly and have forgiven these many years later, viciously beat me, physically and emotionally, in an effort to discipline me, to prepare me, a Black man-child, for what she, a rural South Carolina-born and bred working-class woman, perceived to be a crude and racist world.

But the fact is, Chris, we cannot afford to teach children, directly or indirectly, that violence and anger in any form are the solutions for our frustrations, disagreements, or pain, and not expect that violence and anger to penetrate the psyche of that child. To be with that child as he, you, me, and countless other American males in our nation, grow from boy to teenager to early adulthood. Ultimately it will come out in some channel, either inwardly on themselves in the manner of serious self-repression, self-loathing, and fear. Or outwardly in the shape of blind rage and violence, against themselves, against others, including women and girls.

You see, Chris, I know much about you because I was you in previous chapters of my life. I am presently in my 40s, a practitioner of yoga, and someone who has spent much of the past 20 years in therapy and counseling sessions. I shudder to think who I would be today had I not made a commitment to constant self-reflection and healing. Yes, like most human beings I do get angry at times, but it is in a very different kind of way, I think long and hard about my words and actions, and if I do make a mistake and offend someone in some way verbally or emotionally, I apologize as quickly as I can. And I am proud to say I have not been involved in a violent incident in many years, that I am about love, peace, and nonviolence now, and this is my path for the rest of my life. I am not willing to go backwards, nor am I going to permit anyone or any scenario to take me backwards, either.

But, Chris, it was not always like this for me. The hurt and pain I felt as a child led to arguments and fights in my grade and high schools: arguments with teachers and principals and physical fights with my classmates. This in spite of the fact I possessed, very early on, the same kind of talents you had coming up. Mine is writing and yours is music. And because we both had gifts that people recognized, the more problematic sides of our personas were often overlooked, or ignored completely. In reality, Chris, I attended four grade schools and three high schools partly because my single mother and I (I am an only child) were very poor, and forced to move a lot; and partly because of my behavioral issues at various schools. Many adults could not understand it because I was routinely a straight-A student breezing through everything from math and science to English.

Yet I was no different than countless American children terrorized by their environments, with no true outlets to understand, and heal, what we were experiencing. That is why, Chris, I eventually was kicked out of Rutgers University, why I got into arguments with my cast mates on the first season of MTV’s “The Real World,” and why I often had beef with my co-workers, as a twenty something hot shot writer at Quincy Jones’ Vibe magazine. And why I was eventually fired from Vibe, Chris, in spite of writing more cover stories than any other writer in the magazine’s history. There was always a darkness in my life, Chris, a heavy sadness, born of years of wounds piled one on top of the other. And I did not begin to grasp this until a fateful day in July 1991 when I pushed my girlfriend at the time into a bathroom door in the middle of an argument. As I have written in other spaces, Chris, when she ran from the apartment, barefoot, it was only then that I recognized the magnitude of what I had done. Just like you I had to deal with public embarrassment and court and a restraining order. But the big difference, Chris, is that a community of people, both women and men, saw potential in me, the boy struggling to be a man, in the early 1990s, and rather than shun me or push me aside or write me off completely, they instead opted to help me.

The first step was returning to therapy, as I had done briefly in 1988 after being suspended from Rutgers for threatening a female student. The next step was my struggling to take ownership for every aspect of my life, and not just that bathroom door incident. That meant, Chris, I had to go very far into my own soul, and return, time and again, to being that little boy who had been violated and abused, and meet him, on his terms. I assure you, Chris, it was extremely difficult to do that, and I put off many issues for months, even years, unwilling or unable to look myself in the mirror. Add to that the sudden celebrity of my life on MTV and at Vibe, and I found myself around many other people who were living escapist lives, who were not bothering to deal with their demons, either. That, Chris, is a recipe for disaster, for a life stuck in a state of arrested development. The worst thing we could ever do is only be in circles of people who are wallowing in their own miseries, too, yet covering it up with fame, money, material things, sex, drugs, alcohol, and an addiction to acting out because that is much easier than actually growing up.

As a matter of fact, as I watched your “Good Morning America” interview, and read the accounts of what happened after, I thought a good deal about the late Tupac Shakur, who I interviewed more than any other journalist when he was alive. Tupac was, Chris, without question, equally the most brilliant and the most frustrating interview subject I’d ever encountered. Brilliant because his abilities as an actor (imagine what he could have been had he lived) were towering, and his writing skills instantly connected him with the man-child in so many American males, especially those of us who grew up as he did, without a consistent and available father figure or mentor, and with some form of turmoil in our lives. But, Chris, I could see the writing on the wall from the very beginning, of Tupac’s downfall, because he willingly participated in it, encouraged it, openly advertised it every single time he rhymed about dying, or spoke about a short shelf life in one of his interviews. I do believe each and every one of us human beings is given a certain amount of time on this planet. I for one feel very blessed to be here as long as I have been, especially given my past destructive paths. But I also believe, Chris, that so many of us participate in what I call self-sabotage, or slow suicide. That is, because we do not have the emotional and spiritual tools to process the many angles of our lives, we instead resort to predictable behavior that may feel empowering or liberating on the surface, but is actually damaging to us, and doing even more harm to us.

For an instance when I looked at the photo of you, shirtless, with the shiny tattoos across your chest, I saw myself, I saw Tupac Shakur, I saw all us American Black boys who so badly want to be free, who so badly want to be understood, who feel life unfair for labeling us “angry,” “difficult,” “violent,” “abusive,” “criminals,” or “cocky” or “arrogant.” Yes, Chris Brown, in spite of Barack Obama being president of the United States, America still very much has a very serious problem with race and racism, which means it still has a very serious problem with Black males who act out or behave badly, who speak their minds, who assert themselves in some way or another. I know that is what you are reacting to, Chris. And you are not wrong in tweeting that Charlie Sheen is catching a break in a way that you are not. I am very clear that Charlie Sheen’s father is Latino and his mother is White. But Charlie Sheen operates in a space of White male privilege because of his White skin and his access to White power, and thus he is given a pass for his violent, abusive, mean-spirited, and drug-addicted outbursts in a way you or I never will, Chris. Charlie Sheen, as insane as it appears, is even celebrated in many circles because of how American male (read, White male) privilege can exist while ignoring the concerns of those he has harmed, including women. That is why, Chris, I rarely discuss in public the chapter of my life that is MTV’s “The Real World.” In spite of who I am as a whole human being, my numerous interests and skill sets, the one thing that was played up were the arguments I had with my White cast mates. So I was labeled, for years and years, Chris, as “the angry Black man,” something that troubled me as deeply as you were bothered on “Good Morning America” by the Rihanna questions. And how certain media folks, including Joy Behar on “The View,” must bother you calling you a “thug,” in spite of the obvious racial overtones of such a loaded word. If you are a thug, then what is Charlie Sheen, or Mel Gibson, or John Mayer, or Jude Law, or any other famous White male who has engaged in bad behavior the past few years? Why are they often forgiven, given a pass, allowed to clean themselves up and to redeem themselves in a way Black males simply cannot, Chris? It is because, to paraphrase Tupac, we were given this world, we did not make it. And it is because of power, Chris, plain and simple. Whoever has the power to put forth images and words, to put forth definitions, to determine what is right and what is wrong, can just as easily label you a star one day and a thug and a has-been the very next day. Or make you, a Black male, the poster child, for every single bad behavior that exists in America. Just ask Black males as diverse as Tiger Woods, Kobe Bryant, Mike Tyson, O.J. Simpson, or Kanye West. No apologies being made by me for these men or their actions, but the chatter, always, in Black male circles is how we are treated when we do wrong as opposed to how our White brothers are treated when they do wrong. Call it racial or cultural paranoia if you’d like. We Black brothers call it a ridiculously oppressive double standard. And that is because America has historically had a very complicated and twisted relationship with Black men, ranging from slavery to the first heavyweight boxing champion Jack Johnson to Malcolm X and Dr. King both, and including men like Louis Armstrong, Chuck Berry, Michael Jackson, Prince, and, yes, Barack Obama. Sometimes we feel incredible love and affection, and sometimes we feel as if we are unwanted, armed, and dangerous. It is a schizophrenic existence, to say the least, and it is akin to how the character Bigger Thomas, in Richard Wright’s classic but controversial novel “Native Son,” saw his life reduced to the metaphor of a cornered black rat. Thus so many of us spend our entire lives, as Black males, navigating this tricky terrain, so few of us with the proper emotional and spiritual tools to balance our coolness with a righteous defiance that, well, will not get us killed, literally and figuratively, by each other or the police, or by the American mass media culture.

I am telling you the truth, Chris Brown, man-to-man, Black man to Black man, because you need to hear it, straight up, no chaser. If you really believe that because you are famous and successful that the same rules apply to you, you are deceiving yourself. Like many, I love people, regardless of race, gender, class, sexual orientation, disability, religion, any of that, and I believe deeply in the humanity and equality of us all. But until we have a nation, and a world, where the media places the same energy and excitement in documenting a Black man who is engaging in, say, mentoring work, as it does in a Black man smashing a window at a television station, then we are sadly fooling ourselves, Chris, that things are fair and equal in this universe. They are not. And sometimes it will be big things, like what you just experienced, Chris, at “Good Morning America,” and sometimes it will be quieter moments, far off the radar, where we Black men have to think on the fly about who we are, what we represent, how others perceive us or may want to perceive us, how we say things to people, particularly our White sisters and brothers, for fear or worry of being misunderstood and being pegged as “problematic” or a “troublemaker,” and magically navigate best we can to assert our humanity, our dignity, our leadership, our visions and ideas and dreams, and, yes, our definitions of manhood rooted in our very unique cultural journeys. Complete insanity, this emotional and spiritual juggling act, no question, and our harsh reality in this world, my friend.

So what you have to understand, Chris, and what I had to grapple with for years, is there is no escaping your past, especially if we engage in angry or violent behavior. If we do not confront it, probe and understand it, heal and learn from it, and use what we’ve learned to teach others to go a different way, then it dogs us forever, Chris, and we unwittingly become the entertainment, nonstop, for others. And that simply does not have to be the case for you, Chris. You are too much of a genius to allow this to destroy you, but your self-destruction is exactly what many of us are witnessing. I have no idea who is around you at this point, or what kind of men, specifically, are advising you, but the worst possible thing you could do is act as if what happened with Rihanna was no big deal. It was and is a major deal because women and girls, in America, and on this earth, are beaten, stabbed, shot, murdered, raped, molested, every single day. Because of your fame you have become, unfortunately, a poster child for this destructive behavior in spite of your proclaiming just a few years before, in a magazine interview, you would never do to a woman what had happened to your mother. What I gathered, very quickly, Chris, after I pushed that girlfriend back in 1991, was that I could not hide from my demons or myself. That is why I wrote an essay in Essence magazine in September 1992 entitled “The Sexist in Me.” That is why I made it a point to listen to women and girls in my travels, in my community, even within my family, tell stories of how they had been violated or abused by one man or another. And that is why, Chris, nearly twenty years later, so much of my work as a leader, as an activist, as a public speaker, is dedicated to ending violence against women and girls. In other words, I took what was a very negative and hurtful experience, for that girlfriend, and for myself, and transformed it into a life of teaching other males how to deal with their hurts without hurting others, particularly women and girls.

Tupac Shakur, Chris, never got to turn the corner, as you well know, because he was gunned down at age 25. I do not know if he actually raped or sexually assaulted the woman in that hotel room as he was charged. But one thing he did admit to me, Chris, in that famous Rikers Island interview, was that he could have stopped his male friends from coming into his hotel room and sexually exploiting his female companion that night. And he did not. You, Chris Brown, cannot turn back the hands of time to February 2009. We have seen the photos of Rihanna’s battered and bruised face. Yes, you’ve apologized, yes, you’ve done your time in court and your hours of community service, and yes, and you have been tried and convicted in the court of public opinion. But it is really up to you, Chris, to decide in these tense moments, as you approach your 22nd birthday on May 5th, if you want to be a boy forever locked in the time capsule of your own battered and bruised life, or if you want to be the man so many of us are rooting for you to be, one who will take responsibility for all his actions, who will sit up in interviews and answer all questions, even the uncomfortable ones. And the kind of man who will admit, once and for all, publicly, privately, however you must do it, that you need help, that you need love, that you need to love yourself in a very different kind of way, that you no longer will hide behind an album release, music videos, dyed hair, tattoos, or even your twitter account, Chris Brown. That you will make a life-long commitment to counseling, to therapy, to healing, to alternative definitions of manhood rooted in nonviolence, love, and peace, that you will become a loud and consistent voice against all forms of violence against women and girls, wherever you go, as I do, for the rest of your life. All eyes are on you because you’ve brought the world to your doorstep, my friend. The question alas, Chris, is do you want to go forward or not? And if yes to going forward, then you must know it means going to the deepest and darkest parts of your past to heal what ails you, once and for all, for the good of yourself, and for the good of those who are watching you very closely and who may learn something from what you do. Or what you do not do. The choice is yours, Chris Brown. The choice is yours—

Godspeed,
Kevin Powell

Kevin Powell is an activist, public speaker, and award-winning author or editor of 10 books, including Open Letters to America (essays) and No Sleep Till Brooklyn (poetry). Kevin lives in Brooklyn, New York. Email him at kevin@kevinpowell.net or follow him on Twitter @kevin_powell

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Reply #334 posted 03/25/11 10:46pm

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I can GUARANTEE Chris will never read all of that. His attention span is way too short and limited. He's clearly not the type to write letters to.

"You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
"Water can nourish me, but water can also carry me. Water has magic laws." - JCVD
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Reply #335 posted 03/25/11 10:50pm

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I stopped reading after:

KevinPowell said:

You are too much of a genius to allow this to destroy you...


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Reply #336 posted 03/25/11 10:51pm

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WaterInYourBath said:

I can GUARANTEE Chris will never read all of that. His attention span is way too short and limited. He's clearly not the type to write letters to.

LOL

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Reply #337 posted 03/25/11 10:53pm

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CocoRock said:

I stopped reading after: KevinPowell said:

You are too much of a genius to allow this to destroy you...

flyingpig flyingpig flyingpig

LOL

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Reply #338 posted 03/25/11 10:53pm

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CocoRock said:

I stopped reading after: KevinPowell said:

You are too much of a genius to allow this to destroy you...

flyingpig flyingpig flyingpig

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Reply #339 posted 03/25/11 11:19pm

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Umm, was that the dude from the first The Real World?

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Reply #340 posted 03/25/11 11:26pm

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sosgemini said:

Umm, was that the dude from the first The Real World?

LOL Yea. He's come a long way since '92.

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Reply #341 posted 03/26/11 1:10am

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musicjunky318 said:

sosgemini said:

Umm, was that the dude from the first The Real World?

LOL Yea. He's come a long way since '92.

No he hasn't. If he had, he wouldn't have written that manifesto for Chris and published it. lol

Failed congressional candidate, be damned! lol

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Reply #342 posted 03/26/11 1:23am

Timmy84

sosgemini said:

musicjunky318 said:

LOL Yea. He's come a long way since '92.

No he hasn't. If he had, he wouldn't have written that manifesto for Chris and published it. lol

Failed congressional candidate, be damned! lol

yeahthat

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Reply #343 posted 03/26/11 5:07am

TD3

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TD3 said:

In this particular case, it's best to look at the evidence, read the police report and statements to understand who was charged, and who wasn't. There was a perpetrator and there was a victim, Mr. Brown was the perpetrator. Even so, in a court of law "hood rules", "playground rules", and/or "street justice" don't apply. Our penitentary system is full of people serving years to life because someone hit them first, insulted their pride, or "dissed them".

That being said.....

Mr. Brown isn't a "poor kid" he's an adult. Maybe that's one of his problems he's still thinks like a child so he reacts like a child. Aside from his quick temper, I think Mr. Brown is easily frustrated because he's woefully inarticulate. I'm going to assume he has or had a publicist to assist him in answering any questions about the beating he gave Ms. Fenty and his subsequent conviction of felonious assault. Mr. Brown should've been sitting up straight and looking Ms. Roberts in the eye during the entire interview. His first mistake. Mr. Brown second mistake: he could have easily turned her words into a postive.

Mr. Brown could've said something along these lines: "The request to ease the court imposed restraining order is indicative of the progess I've made these past two years. The judge made note at my last court hearing she was pleased that I've abided by and met all terms and conditions of my parole. No, Rihanna and I haven't spoken to each other and we've both moved on with our lives pursuing our own goals. Needless to say I can't change what took place, I did it , I've apologized , and I'm taking the neccesary steps I need to become a better person. I know the progress I've made these past two years shall continue. I'm also going about my work, my passion.... doing what I do best music and singing. That's why I'm here today, to talk about me new album -"F.A.M.E".

If Ms. Roberts had asked the question again another way he should've repeated the latter

statement, calmly. How hard is that? If his publicist or record label threw him out there thinking he wasn't going to be asked these questions, they haven't served their client well.

Another thing, some people are NEVER going to forget or forgive Mr. Brown for what he did. This isn't uncommon for people who've been charged and convicted of a crime, in fact it's par for the course. If his lawyers haven't explained this to him, they haven't served their client well. My advice to him would be to humble himself, suck it up, and, take it... he has no choice, he's made his bed...

GMA or any other media outlet / talk shows don't need Chris Brown but he needs them.

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[Edited 3/25/11 20:45pm]

I'm speaking on what I've seen and that has nothing to do with "hood/street justice or playground rules". That's why neither was mentioned in either of my previous posts on this issue. Regardless of who started what, both parties were arrested and charged. I guess that doesn't apply in your neck of the woods. But here, in suburbia, it certainly does.

Also, Chris Brown is a "poor kid", because apparently he is honestly under the impression that he will be able to get pass this. It's called wishful thinking. So, for that I will continue to refer to him as such. I just find it sad that some members of the general public, feel that it's their God-given right to play judge and jury in people lives that they have no vested interest in. We're all very flawed individuals, unless we suffer from delusions of grandiose. So, you're right when you say that some people will never forgive him. But, it's kind of pointless to live life holding a grudge. There's better, more worthy issues to spend that kind of energy on.

Chris isn't the first "celeb'' to fuck up on this level and he won't be the last. But at least, stop being wishy-washy on how each will be perceived.

You've been misinformed, at no time was Ms. Fenty ever charged or arrested for assualting Mr. Brown. My term hood/street justice was in response to what you wrote......

"If I'm not mistaken Rhianna got some hits on Chris too, actually didn't she put her hands on him first. She wasn't as innocent as she was made out to be."

You did write that? I'm done.

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TD3 said:

In this particular case, it's best to look at the evidence, read the police report and statements to understand who was charged, and who wasn't. There was a perpetrator and there was a victim, Mr. Brown was the perpetrator. Even so, in a court of law "hood rules", "playground rules", and/or "street justice" don't apply. Our penitentary system is full of people serving years to life because someone hit them first, insulted their pride, or "dissed them".

That being said.....

Mr. Brown isn't a "poor kid" he's an adult. Maybe that's one of his problems he's still thinks like a child so he reacts like a child. Aside from his quick temper, I think Mr. Brown is easily frustrated because he's woefully inarticulate. I'm going to assume he has or had a publicist to assist him in answering any questions about the beating he gave Ms. Fenty and his subsequent conviction of felonious assault. Mr. Brown should've been sitting up straight and looking Ms. Roberts in the eye during the entire interview. His first mistake. Mr. Brown second mistake: he could have easily turned her words into a postive.

Mr. Brown could've said something along these lines: "The request to ease the court imposed restraining order is indicative of the progess I've made these past two years. The judge made note at my last court hearing she was pleased that I've abided by and met all terms and conditions of my parole. No, Rihanna and I haven't spoken to each other and we've both moved on with our lives pursuing our own goals. Needless to say I can't change what took place, I did it , I've apologized , and I'm taking the neccesary steps I need to become a better person. I know the progress I've made these past two years shall continue. I'm also going about my work, my passion.... doing what I do best music and singing. That's why I'm here today, to talk about me new album -"F.A.M.E".

If Ms. Roberts had asked the question again another way he should've repeated the latter

statement, calmly. How hard is that? If his publicist or record label threw him out there thinking he wasn't going to be asked these questions, they haven't served their client well.

Another thing, some people are NEVER going to forget or forgive Mr. Brown for what he did. This isn't uncommon for people who've been charged and convicted of a crime, in fact it's par for the course. If his lawyers haven't explained this to him, they haven't served their client well. My advice to him would be to humble himself, suck it up, and, take it... he has no choice, he's made his bed...

GMA or any other media outlet / talk shows don't need Chris Brown but he needs them.

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Y'know, I think he has an opening for a new publicist, if you're interested... hmmm razz

Yeah, I agree with what you said, and I think probably a lot of people would've had some respect for him if he'd said that. nod I wonder if he's actually taken responsibility for his actions and done the soul-searching to an extent where he's actually in a place to say something like that, though. His tweeting about the interviewer's line of questioning (which was pretty tame, truth be told), and the way he refers to the incident as "something that happened to me", as someone else mentioned further up, don't inspire a lot of confidence on that score. And, even in the wake of this latest episode, he's sacked his PR person (one more person to blame for poor Chris's behaviour!), rather than take responsibility for his actions. confused

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"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
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mimi02

musicjunky318 said:

Did u guys see this before? This is the first time I'm seeing it.

Open letter to Chris Brown by Kevin Powell

Dear Chris:

I really did not want to write this open letter, and would have preferred to speak to you in person, in private. Indeed, ever since the domestic violence incident with Rihanna two years ago there have been attempts, by some of the women currently or formerly in your circle, women who love and care deeply about you, to bring you and I together, as they felt my own life story, my own life experiences, might be of some help in your journey. For whatever reasons, that never happened. By pure coincidence, I wound up in a Harlem recording studio with you about three months ago, as I was meeting up with R&B singer Olivia and her manager. You were hosting a listening session for your album-in-progress and the room was filled with gushing supporters, with a very large security guard outside the studio door. I was allowed in, as I assume you knew my name, and my long relationship to the music industry. I greeted you and said I would love to have a talk with you, but I am not even sure you heard a single word I said above the loud music. I gave your security person my card when I left, asked him to ask you to phone me, but you never did, for whatever reasons. And that is fine.

But I have thought of you long and hard as I’ve watched you, from a distance, as you dealt with the charges of physical violence against your then-girlfriend Rihanna, as you were being pummeled by the media and abandoned by many fans, admirers, and endorsers, and ridiculed on the social networks. You were 19 when the altercation with Rihanna occurred, and you are only 21 now. Yes, you’ve achieved both international fame and success in a way most people your age, or any age, could never imagine. But you also are at a very serious crossroads because of the dishonor of your persona derived from your beating Rihanna. There is no way to get around this, Chris. You must deal with it, as a man, now and forever. For our past can both be a prison we are locked in permanently or it can be the key to our freedom if we glean the lessons from it, and deal with it directly. All the external pressures and forces will be there, Chris, but no one can free us but ourselves. And it must start in our minds and in our souls.

That is why I was very saddened to hear about your recent appearance on ABC’s “Good Morning America,” to promote your new cd “F.A.M.E.” The interview was embarrassing, to say the least, you slouched through the entire episode, and you were so clearly defensive as Robin Roberts, the interviewer, threw you what I thought were very easy questions about the Rihanna saga. I get that you want to move past it. But that is not going to happen, Chris, until people see real humility, real redemption, and real changes in how you conduct yourself both publicly and privately. Whether the interview and what happened at ABC studios were a publicity stunt to push your album sales is not the point (as has been suggested in some online blogs). It has been spread across the internet, and throughout the world, that you ripped off your shirt following that interview, got in the face of one of the show’s producers in a threatening manner, and that somehow the window in your dressing room was smashed with a chair. And then there are the photos of you, shirtless, walking outside the ABC studios looking, well, pissed off, immediately after. Finally, you tweeted, somewhere in the midst of that morning, Chris, “I’m so over people bring this past s**t up!! Yet we praise Charlie Sheen and other celebs for [their] bullsh**t.”

Yes, that tweet was taken down very quickly, but not before it was spread near and far also, Chris. And it was a tweet written with raw honesty and, for sure, raw emotion. Very clear to me, as it is to so many of us watching your life unfold in public, that you are deeply wounded, that you are hurt by what you have experienced the past two years. That you’ve never actually healed from what you witnessed as a child, either, of your mother being beaten savagely by your stepfather, and how that must’ve made you feel, in your bones. You’ve said in interviews, long before the Rihanna incident happened, that it made you scared, timid, and that you wet the bed because of the wild, untamed emotions that swirled in your being. I am certain you felt powerless, just as powerless as I felt as a boy when my mother, who I love dearly and have forgiven these many years later, viciously beat me, physically and emotionally, in an effort to discipline me, to prepare me, a Black man-child, for what she, a rural South Carolina-born and bred working-class woman, perceived to be a crude and racist world.

But the fact is, Chris, we cannot afford to teach children, directly or indirectly, that violence and anger in any form are the solutions for our frustrations, disagreements, or pain, and not expect that violence and anger to penetrate the psyche of that child. To be with that child as he, you, me, and countless other American males in our nation, grow from boy to teenager to early adulthood. Ultimately it will come out in some channel, either inwardly on themselves in the manner of serious self-repression, self-loathing, and fear. Or outwardly in the shape of blind rage and violence, against themselves, against others, including women and girls.

You see, Chris, I know much about you because I was you in previous chapters of my life. I am presently in my 40s, a practitioner of yoga, and someone who has spent much of the past 20 years in therapy and counseling sessions. I shudder to think who I would be today had I not made a commitment to constant self-reflection and healing. Yes, like most human beings I do get angry at times, but it is in a very different kind of way, I think long and hard about my words and actions, and if I do make a mistake and offend someone in some way verbally or emotionally, I apologize as quickly as I can. And I am proud to say I have not been involved in a violent incident in many years, that I am about love, peace, and nonviolence now, and this is my path for the rest of my life. I am not willing to go backwards, nor am I going to permit anyone or any scenario to take me backwards, either.

But, Chris, it was not always like this for me. The hurt and pain I felt as a child led to arguments and fights in my grade and high schools: arguments with teachers and principals and physical fights with my classmates. This in spite of the fact I possessed, very early on, the same kind of talents you had coming up. Mine is writing and yours is music. And because we both had gifts that people recognized, the more problematic sides of our personas were often overlooked, or ignored completely. In reality, Chris, I attended four grade schools and three high schools partly because my single mother and I (I am an only child) were very poor, and forced to move a lot; and partly because of my behavioral issues at various schools. Many adults could not understand it because I was routinely a straight-A student breezing through everything from math and science to English.

Yet I was no different than countless American children terrorized by their environments, with no true outlets to understand, and heal, what we were experiencing. That is why, Chris, I eventually was kicked out of Rutgers University, why I got into arguments with my cast mates on the first season of MTV’s “The Real World,” and why I often had beef with my co-workers, as a twenty something hot shot writer at Quincy Jones’ Vibe magazine. And why I was eventually fired from Vibe, Chris, in spite of writing more cover stories than any other writer in the magazine’s history. There was always a darkness in my life, Chris, a heavy sadness, born of years of wounds piled one on top of the other. And I did not begin to grasp this until a fateful day in July 1991 when I pushed my girlfriend at the time into a bathroom door in the middle of an argument. As I have written in other spaces, Chris, when she ran from the apartment, barefoot, it was only then that I recognized the magnitude of what I had done. Just like you I had to deal with public embarrassment and court and a restraining order. But the big difference, Chris, is that a community of people, both women and men, saw potential in me, the boy struggling to be a man, in the early 1990s, and rather than shun me or push me aside or write me off completely, they instead opted to help me.

The first step was returning to therapy, as I had done briefly in 1988 after being suspended from Rutgers for threatening a female student. The next step was my struggling to take ownership for every aspect of my life, and not just that bathroom door incident. That meant, Chris, I had to go very far into my own soul, and return, time and again, to being that little boy who had been violated and abused, and meet him, on his terms. I assure you, Chris, it was extremely difficult to do that, and I put off many issues for months, even years, unwilling or unable to look myself in the mirror. Add to that the sudden celebrity of my life on MTV and at Vibe, and I found myself around many other people who were living escapist lives, who were not bothering to deal with their demons, either. That, Chris, is a recipe for disaster, for a life stuck in a state of arrested development. The worst thing we could ever do is only be in circles of people who are wallowing in their own miseries, too, yet covering it up with fame, money, material things, sex, drugs, alcohol, and an addiction to acting out because that is much easier than actually growing up.

As a matter of fact, as I watched your “Good Morning America” interview, and read the accounts of what happened after, I thought a good deal about the late Tupac Shakur, who I interviewed more than any other journalist when he was alive. Tupac was, Chris, without question, equally the most brilliant and the most frustrating interview subject I’d ever encountered. Brilliant because his abilities as an actor (imagine what he could have been had he lived) were towering, and his writing skills instantly connected him with the man-child in so many American males, especially those of us who grew up as he did, without a consistent and available father figure or mentor, and with some form of turmoil in our lives. But, Chris, I could see the writing on the wall from the very beginning, of Tupac’s downfall, because he willingly participated in it, encouraged it, openly advertised it every single time he rhymed about dying, or spoke about a short shelf life in one of his interviews. I do believe each and every one of us human beings is given a certain amount of time on this planet. I for one feel very blessed to be here as long as I have been, especially given my past destructive paths. But I also believe, Chris, that so many of us participate in what I call self-sabotage, or slow suicide. That is, because we do not have the emotional and spiritual tools to process the many angles of our lives, we instead resort to predictable behavior that may feel empowering or liberating on the surface, but is actually damaging to us, and doing even more harm to us.

For an instance when I looked at the photo of you, shirtless, with the shiny tattoos across your chest, I saw myself, I saw Tupac Shakur, I saw all us American Black boys who so badly want to be free, who so badly want to be understood, who feel life unfair for labeling us “angry,” “difficult,” “violent,” “abusive,” “criminals,” or “cocky” or “arrogant.” Yes, Chris Brown, in spite of Barack Obama being president of the United States, America still very much has a very serious problem with race and racism, which means it still has a very serious problem with Black males who act out or behave badly, who speak their minds, who assert themselves in some way or another. I know that is what you are reacting to, Chris. And you are not wrong in tweeting that Charlie Sheen is catching a break in a way that you are not. I am very clear that Charlie Sheen’s father is Latino and his mother is White. But Charlie Sheen operates in a space of White male privilege because of his White skin and his access to White power, and thus he is given a pass for his violent, abusive, mean-spirited, and drug-addicted outbursts in a way you or I never will, Chris. Charlie Sheen, as insane as it appears, is even celebrated in many circles because of how American male (read, White male) privilege can exist while ignoring the concerns of those he has harmed, including women. That is why, Chris, I rarely discuss in public the chapter of my life that is MTV’s “The Real World.” In spite of who I am as a whole human being, my numerous interests and skill sets, the one thing that was played up were the arguments I had with my White cast mates. So I was labeled, for years and years, Chris, as “the angry Black man,” something that troubled me as deeply as you were bothered on “Good Morning America” by the Rihanna questions. And how certain media folks, including Joy Behar on “The View,” must bother you calling you a “thug,” in spite of the obvious racial overtones of such a loaded word. If you are a thug, then what is Charlie Sheen, or Mel Gibson, or John Mayer, or Jude Law, or any other famous White male who has engaged in bad behavior the past few years? Why are they often forgiven, given a pass, allowed to clean themselves up and to redeem themselves in a way Black males simply cannot, Chris? It is because, to paraphrase Tupac, we were given this world, we did not make it. And it is because of power, Chris, plain and simple. Whoever has the power to put forth images and words, to put forth definitions, to determine what is right and what is wrong, can just as easily label you a star one day and a thug and a has-been the very next day. Or make you, a Black male, the poster child, for every single bad behavior that exists in America. Just ask Black males as diverse as Tiger Woods, Kobe Bryant, Mike Tyson, O.J. Simpson, or Kanye West. No apologies being made by me for these men or their actions, but the chatter, always, in Black male circles is how we are treated when we do wrong as opposed to how our White brothers are treated when they do wrong. Call it racial or cultural paranoia if you’d like. We Black brothers call it a ridiculously oppressive double standard. And that is because America has historically had a very complicated and twisted relationship with Black men, ranging from slavery to the first heavyweight boxing champion Jack Johnson to Malcolm X and Dr. King both, and including men like Louis Armstrong, Chuck Berry, Michael Jackson, Prince, and, yes, Barack Obama. Sometimes we feel incredible love and affection, and sometimes we feel as if we are unwanted, armed, and dangerous. It is a schizophrenic existence, to say the least, and it is akin to how the character Bigger Thomas, in Richard Wright’s classic but controversial novel “Native Son,” saw his life reduced to the metaphor of a cornered black rat. Thus so many of us spend our entire lives, as Black males, navigating this tricky terrain, so few of us with the proper emotional and spiritual tools to balance our coolness with a righteous defiance that, well, will not get us killed, literally and figuratively, by each other or the police, or by the American mass media culture.

I am telling you the truth, Chris Brown, man-to-man, Black man to Black man, because you need to hear it, straight up, no chaser. If you really believe that because you are famous and successful that the same rules apply to you, you are deceiving yourself. Like many, I love people, regardless of race, gender, class, sexual orientation, disability, religion, any of that, and I believe deeply in the humanity and equality of us all. But until we have a nation, and a world, where the media places the same energy and excitement in documenting a Black man who is engaging in, say, mentoring work, as it does in a Black man smashing a window at a television station, then we are sadly fooling ourselves, Chris, that things are fair and equal in this universe. They are not. And sometimes it will be big things, like what you just experienced, Chris, at “Good Morning America,” and sometimes it will be quieter moments, far off the radar, where we Black men have to think on the fly about who we are, what we represent, how others perceive us or may want to perceive us, how we say things to people, particularly our White sisters and brothers, for fear or worry of being misunderstood and being pegged as “problematic” or a “troublemaker,” and magically navigate best we can to assert our humanity, our dignity, our leadership, our visions and ideas and dreams, and, yes, our definitions of manhood rooted in our very unique cultural journeys. Complete insanity, this emotional and spiritual juggling act, no question, and our harsh reality in this world, my friend.

So what you have to understand, Chris, and what I had to grapple with for years, is there is no escaping your past, especially if we engage in angry or violent behavior. If we do not confront it, probe and understand it, heal and learn from it, and use what we’ve learned to teach others to go a different way, then it dogs us forever, Chris, and we unwittingly become the entertainment, nonstop, for others. And that simply does not have to be the case for you, Chris. You are too much of a genius to allow this to destroy you, but your self-destruction is exactly what many of us are witnessing. I have no idea who is around you at this point, or what kind of men, specifically, are advising you, but the worst possible thing you could do is act as if what happened with Rihanna was no big deal. It was and is a major deal because women and girls, in America, and on this earth, are beaten, stabbed, shot, murdered, raped, molested, every single day. Because of your fame you have become, unfortunately, a poster child for this destructive behavior in spite of your proclaiming just a few years before, in a magazine interview, you would never do to a woman what had happened to your mother. What I gathered, very quickly, Chris, after I pushed that girlfriend back in 1991, was that I could not hide from my demons or myself. That is why I wrote an essay in Essence magazine in September 1992 entitled “The Sexist in Me.” That is why I made it a point to listen to women and girls in my travels, in my community, even within my family, tell stories of how they had been violated or abused by one man or another. And that is why, Chris, nearly twenty years later, so much of my work as a leader, as an activist, as a public speaker, is dedicated to ending violence against women and girls. In other words, I took what was a very negative and hurtful experience, for that girlfriend, and for myself, and transformed it into a life of teaching other males how to deal with their hurts without hurting others, particularly women and girls.

Tupac Shakur, Chris, never got to turn the corner, as you well know, because he was gunned down at age 25. I do not know if he actually raped or sexually assaulted the woman in that hotel room as he was charged. But one thing he did admit to me, Chris, in that famous Rikers Island interview, was that he could have stopped his male friends from coming into his hotel room and sexually exploiting his female companion that night. And he did not. You, Chris Brown, cannot turn back the hands of time to February 2009. We have seen the photos of Rihanna’s battered and bruised face. Yes, you’ve apologized, yes, you’ve done your time in court and your hours of community service, and yes, and you have been tried and convicted in the court of public opinion. But it is really up to you, Chris, to decide in these tense moments, as you approach your 22nd birthday on May 5th, if you want to be a boy forever locked in the time capsule of your own battered and bruised life, or if you want to be the man so many of us are rooting for you to be, one who will take responsibility for all his actions, who will sit up in interviews and answer all questions, even the uncomfortable ones. And the kind of man who will admit, once and for all, publicly, privately, however you must do it, that you need help, that you need love, that you need to love yourself in a very different kind of way, that you no longer will hide behind an album release, music videos, dyed hair, tattoos, or even your twitter account, Chris Brown. That you will make a life-long commitment to counseling, to therapy, to healing, to alternative definitions of manhood rooted in nonviolence, love, and peace, that you will become a loud and consistent voice against all forms of violence against women and girls, wherever you go, as I do, for the rest of your life. All eyes are on you because you’ve brought the world to your doorstep, my friend. The question alas, Chris, is do you want to go forward or not? And if yes to going forward, then you must know it means going to the deepest and darkest parts of your past to heal what ails you, once and for all, for the good of yourself, and for the good of those who are watching you very closely and who may learn something from what you do. Or what you do not do. The choice is yours, Chris Brown. The choice is yours—

Godspeed,
Kevin Powell

Kevin Powell is an activist, public speaker, and award-winning author or editor of 10 books, including Open Letters to America (essays) and No Sleep Till Brooklyn (poetry). Kevin lives in Brooklyn, New York. Email him at kevin@kevinpowell.net or follow him on Twitter @kevin_powell

I like this. The manner in which this letter was compose is clearly coming from a place of love and understanding. Beautifully written, Mr. Powell. Here's to hoping that it reaches its destination.

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Reply #346 posted 03/26/11 7:46am

mimi02

deebee said:

TD3 said:

In this particular case, it's best to look at the evidence, read the police report and statements to understand who was charged, and who wasn't. There was a perpetrator and there was a victim, Mr. Brown was the perpetrator. Even so, in a court of law "hood rules", "playground rules", and/or "street justice" don't apply. Our penitentary system is full of people serving years to life because someone hit them first, insulted their pride, or "dissed them".

That being said.....

Mr. Brown isn't a "poor kid" he's an adult. Maybe that's one of his problems he's still thinks like a child so he reacts like a child. Aside from his quick temper, I think Mr. Brown is easily frustrated because he's woefully inarticulate. I'm going to assume he has or had a publicist to assist him in answering any questions about the beating he gave Ms. Fenty and his subsequent conviction of felonious assault. Mr. Brown should've been sitting up straight and looking Ms. Roberts in the eye during the entire interview. His first mistake. Mr. Brown second mistake: he could have easily turned her words into a postive.

Mr. Brown could've said something along these lines: "The request to ease the court imposed restraining order is indicative of the progess I've made these past two years. The judge made note at my last court hearing she was pleased that I've abided by and met all terms and conditions of my parole. No, Rihanna and I haven't spoken to each other and we've both moved on with our lives pursuing our own goals. Needless to say I can't change what took place, I did it , I've apologized , and I'm taking the neccesary steps I need to become a better person. I know the progress I've made these past two years shall continue. I'm also going about my work, my passion.... doing what I do best music and singing. That's why I'm here today, to talk about me new album -"F.A.M.E".

If Ms. Roberts had asked the question again another way he should've repeated the latter

statement, calmly. How hard is that? If his publicist or record label threw him out there thinking he wasn't going to be asked these questions, they haven't served their client well.

Another thing, some people are NEVER going to forget or forgive Mr. Brown for what he did. This isn't uncommon for people who've been charged and convicted of a crime, in fact it's par for the course. If his lawyers haven't explained this to him, they haven't served their client well. My advice to him would be to humble himself, suck it up, and, take it... he has no choice, he's made his bed...

GMA or any other media outlet / talk shows don't need Chris Brown but he needs them.

==============================================================

[Edited 3/25/11 20:45pm]

Y'know, I think he has an opening for a new publicist, if you're interested... hmmm razz

Yeah, I agree with what you said, and I think probably a lot of people would've had some respect for him if he'd said that. nod I wonder if he's actually taken responsibility for his actions and done the soul-searching to an extent where he's actually in a place to say something like that, though. His tweeting about the interviewer's line of questioning (which was pretty tame, truth be told), and the way he refers to the incident as "something that happened to me", as someone else mentioned further up, don't inspire a lot of confidence on that score. And, even in the wake of this latest episode, he's sacked his PR person (one more person to blame for poor Chris's behaviour!), rather than take responsibility for his actions. confused

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That's what I was thinking when I read it, too. biggrin

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Reply #347 posted 03/26/11 10:30am

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mimi02 said:

Why won't people let him get passed that. If I'm not mistaken Rhianna got some hits on Chris too, actually didn't she put her hands on him first. She wasn't as innocent as she was made out to be. So, imo, she should have had her ass arrested and charged too. She's been allowed to play the victim for too long. I'm sick of the whole thing.

He was there to promote his music, not revisit his past. I'm not defending him by no means; he does need to control his anger issues. My issue is the people who want to act like they wouldn't have gotten upset too had they been in a similar situation. Please, they know they would have, maybe not to the point of vandalism, but they would have definitely addressed it. Remember Prince and Rosie's TAFKAP comments. Or Denzel telling the interviewer that they were going to stop the interview, go to commercial and when they returned, she's going to ask a different question. And they did just that. lol

So, would we be still talking about this had he (Chris) just abruptly ended the interview and left or threaten to leave if they didn't move on to another question? People tend to be a bit pity when they feel vested in someone's missteps, so yeah. Poor kid, he can't win for losing. He did the crime (took sole responsibility) and did the time. Let's all move pass this.

In this particular case, it's best to look at the evidence, read the police report and statements to understand who was charged, and who wasn't. There was a perpetrator and there was a victim, Mr. Brown was the perpetrator. Even so, in a court of law "hood rules", "playground rules", and/or "street justice" don't apply. Our penitentary system is full of people serving years to life because someone hit them first, insulted their pride, or "dissed them".

That being said.....

Mr. Brown isn't a "poor kid" he's an adult. Maybe that's one of his problems he's still thinks like a child so he reacts like a child. Aside from his quick temper, I think Mr. Brown is easily frustrated because he's woefully inarticulate. I'm going to assume he has or had a publicist to assist him in answering any questions about the beating he gave Ms. Fenty and his subsequent conviction of felonious assault. Mr. Brown should've been sitting up straight and looking Ms. Roberts in the eye during the entire interview. His first mistake. Mr. Brown second mistake: he could have easily turned her words into a postive.

Mr. Brown could've said something along these lines: "The request to ease the court imposed restraining order is indicative of the progess I've made these past two years. The judge made note at my last court hearing she was pleased that I've abided by and met all terms and conditions of my parole. No, Rihanna and I haven't spoken to each other and we've both moved on with our lives pursuing our own goals. Needless to say I can't change what took place, I did it , I've apologized , and I'm taking the neccesary steps I need to become a better person. I know the progress I've made these past two years shall continue. I'm also going about my work, my passion.... doing what I do best music and singing. That's why I'm here today, to talk about me new album -"F.A.M.E".

If Ms. Roberts had asked the question again another way he should've repeated the latter

statement, calmly. How hard is that? If his publicist or record label threw him out there thinking he wasn't going to be asked these questions, they haven't served their client well.

Another thing, some people are NEVER going to forget or forgive Mr. Brown for what he did. This isn't uncommon for people who've been charged and convicted of a crime, in fact it's par for the course. If his lawyers haven't explained this to him, they haven't served their client well. My advice to him would be to humble himself, suck it up, and, take it... he has no choice, he's made his bed...

GMA or any other media outlet / talk shows don't need Chris Brown but he needs them.

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[Edited 3/25/11 20:45pm]

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Reply #348 posted 03/26/11 2:15pm

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mimi02 said:

I'm speaking on what I've seen and that has nothing to do with "hood/street justice or playground rules". That's why neither was mentioned in either of my previous posts on this issue. Regardless of who started what, both parties were arrested and charged. I guess that doesn't apply in your neck of the woods. But here, in suburbia, it certainly does.

Also, Chris Brown is a "poor kid", because apparently he is honestly under the impression that he will be able to get pass this. It's called wishful thinking. So, for that I will continue to refer to him as such. I just find it sad that some members of the general public, feel that it's their God-given right to play judge and jury in people lives that they have no vested interest in. We're all very flawed individuals, unless we suffer from delusions of grandiose. So, you're right when you say that some people will never forgive him. But, it's kind of pointless to live life holding a grudge. There's better, more worthy issues to spend that kind of energy on.

Chris isn't the first "celeb'' to fuck up on this level and he won't be the last. But at least, stop being wishy-washy on how each will be perceived.

You've been misinformed, at no time was Ms. Fenty ever charged or arrested for assualting Mr. Brown. My term hood/street justice was in response to what you wrote......

"If I'm not mistaken Rhianna got some hits on Chris too, actually didn't she put her hands on him first. She wasn't as innocent as she was made out to be."

You did write that? I'm done.

Yes, I did write that. But, I didn't say that Rihanna got arrested. If that what you got from that comment, then I'm sorry. I wasn't even referring to that case when I made the arrest/charged comment. It was based on what I have observed. When both parties are fighting, regardless of who started it, both parties are placed under arrest.

Back to me being misinformed. Why didn't you just say that in the beginning? Instead, you thought that it was okay to insinuate that I suffer from some pre-school or stereotypical "hood" mentality based on you putting 2 and 2 together wrong.

Honestly, I had liked your suggestion of how Chris should have handled the situation. My problem with you was your apparent need to label me. Sadly, you aren't the only person on here guilty of faulty thinking. According to you, I was wrong in thinking that Rihanna hit Chris first. Next time, instead of going straight for the verbal assault, let's make sure that our individual comments are based on the facts. I'm not above admitting when I'm wrong.

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Reply #349 posted 03/26/11 2:52pm

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Im guessing all this is staged, this dude knows he is under a microscope and that he needs the free publicity, so why not throw a tantrum outburst whatever, to sell your shitty product, which at the end of the day, whether its good or doesnt even matter, these cats will do anything to sell a unit, and the actual art of it is totally gone, chris brown is from that reality star generation mentality, along with a slew of others, he now comes off as a victim, regardless of the fact he hit a woman a few times, is homophobic and just plain ignorant, but hey thats pretty much america right there, homophobic, treats women like objects, and thinks like reality stars. Chris Brown is a fake plain and simple, a product not an artist, anyone who thinks he is an artist needs to really investigate their own head


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Reply #350 posted 03/26/11 2:59pm

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lastdecember said:

Im guessing all this is staged, this dude knows he is under a microscope and that he needs the free publicity, so why not throw a tantrum outburst whatever, to sell your shitty product, which at the end of the day, whether its good or doesnt even matter, these cats will do anything to sell a unit, and the actual art of it is totally gone, chris brown is from that reality star generation mentality, along with a slew of others, he now comes off as a victim, regardless of the fact he hit a woman a few times, is homophobic and just plain ignorant, but hey thats pretty much america right there, homophobic, treats women like objects, and thinks like reality stars. Chris Brown is a fake plain and simple, a product not an artist, anyone who thinks he is an artist needs to really investigate their own head

The boy can dance his ass off though. No one can deny that. I mean look at that:

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Reply #351 posted 03/26/11 3:52pm

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It’s very sad that people in my community(African American community) brush off things because the artist can dance good or can rap good ( people be like free wayne etc it’s a reason they in that jail cell) I enjoy some of these people music myself but it’s sad. It’s nothing wrong with enjoying the music but to be completely blind and defending these people actions is messed up to me. I can’t with The BET (yep that channel can die already lol) mentality.

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Reply #352 posted 03/26/11 4:13pm

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babybugz said:

It’s very sad that people in my community(African American community) brush off things because the artist can dance good or can rap good ( people be like free wayne etc it’s a reason they in that jail cell) I enjoy some of these people music myself but it’s sad. It’s nothing wrong with enjoying the music but to be completely blind and defending these people actions is messed up to me. I can’t with The BET (yep that channel can die already lol) mentality.

If you're referring to me I never defended him whoopin her ass. I just said he's an epic dancer. That's all. and it's the truth. Anyone that watches that clip and then tries to deny it isn't being honest.

James Brown was said to abuse his women but what am I gonna sit here and lie and say he wasn't a brilliant entertainer? Please.

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Reply #353 posted 03/26/11 4:48pm

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musicjunky318 said:

babybugz said:

It’s very sad that people in my community(African American community) brush off things because the artist can dance good or can rap good ( people be like free wayne etc it’s a reason they in that jail cell) I enjoy some of these people music myself but it’s sad. It’s nothing wrong with enjoying the music but to be completely blind and defending these people actions is messed up to me. I can’t with The BET (yep that channel can die already lol) mentality.

If you're referring to me I never defended him whoopin her ass. I just said he's an epic dancer. That's all. and it's the truth. Anyone that watches that clip and then tries to deny it isn't being honest.

James Brown was said to abuse his women but what am I gonna sit here and lie and say he wasn't a brilliant entertainer? Please.

My comment wasn’t directed towards YOU I wouldn’t have had a problem quoting you if it was but since you think it was for you then maybe it was. I’m not denying his talent and nobody in here really has just most feels he's a shitty person I’m just posting what I observe that goes on in general in my community and I stand by it. People like to be blind to things when people are good at their craft. James brown is a legend I still don’t think he was a good person at the end of the day.

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Reply #354 posted 03/26/11 5:02pm

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babybugz said:

musicjunky318 said:

If you're referring to me I never defended him whoopin her ass. I just said he's an epic dancer. That's all. and it's the truth. Anyone that watches that clip and then tries to deny it isn't being honest.

James Brown was said to abuse his women but what am I gonna sit here and lie and say he wasn't a brilliant entertainer? Please.

My comment wasn’t directed towards YOU I wouldn’t have had a problem quoting you if it was but since you think it was for you then maybe it was. I’m not denying his talent and nobody in here really has just most feels he's a shitty person I’m just posting what I observe that goes on in general in my community and I stand by it. People like to be blind to things when people are good at their craft. James brown is a legend I still don’t think he was a good person at the end of the day.

Ok.

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Reply #355 posted 03/26/11 7:20pm

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I can GUARANTEE Chris will never read all of that. His attention span is way too short and limited. He's clearly not the type to write letters to.

Indeed. I cant even read it myself i'm getting cross eyed.

But i'm sure he had nice and encouraging things to say.Chris needs some positive people in his life who will try and help him make better choices. If he wants help that is.

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Reply #356 posted 03/26/11 7:47pm

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TD3 kudos to your entire post about how he could have handled that interview. It really couldn't have been easier than that. Publicists or managers or whoever were clearly not doing their jobs. All this could have been avoided.

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Reply #357 posted 03/26/11 8:16pm

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lavender1983 said:

WaterInYourBath said:

I can GUARANTEE Chris will never read all of that. His attention span is way too short and limited. He's clearly not the type to write letters to.

Indeed. I cant even read it myself i'm getting cross eyed.

But i'm sure he had nice and encouraging things to say.Chris needs some positive people in his life who will try and help him make better choices. If he wants help that is.

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Reply #358 posted 03/26/11 8:57pm

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musicjunky318 said:

lavender1983 said:

Indeed. I cant even read it myself i'm getting cross eyed.

But i'm sure he had nice and encouraging things to say.Chris needs some positive people in his life who will try and help him make better choices. If he wants help that is.

OMG. faint

Honey, stop talking and just create the music.
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Reply #359 posted 03/26/11 9:57pm

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musicjunky318 said:

OMG. faint

LOL

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