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Reply #90 posted 06/18/09 11:28am

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Howard Hewett has been very successful. They all have. I like Jody and Howard! I would love a reunion tour...maybe it will happen!
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Reply #91 posted 06/18/09 11:29am

Timmy84

Frederick96 said:

Howard Hewett has been very successful. They all have. I like Jody and Howard! I would love a reunion tour...maybe it will happen!


Dream on then, lol.
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Reply #92 posted 06/18/09 11:35am

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Howard Hewitt really dogged Jody and Jeffrey disbelief I remember in 1983 when they left the group (shortly after "Dead Giveaway" became a big hit),he paraded the new member around (Micki Free) and the two of them held a highly publicized "audition" to replace Jody Watley.This was covered in magazines like Black Beat and Right On!.Worse of all,he filmed a video for "Over And Over" (the last single that featured Howard,Jody and Jeffrey) as a solo performance! It's as if he's saying "See? I don't need you losers".


Howard was acting as if Jody and Jeffrey were easily replaceable but karma has a way of catching up to people.The "new" Shalamar released the album 'Heartbreak' in 1984 and it bombed.Howard pursued a solo career,but Jody got the last laugh when her own solo album was released in 1987.It went platinum,had a whopping five hit singles,and won her a Grammy for Best New Artist.

what in the hell is Micki Free wearing? eek confused
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Reply #93 posted 06/18/09 12:22pm

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Timmy84 said:

Frederick96 said:

Howard Hewett has been very successful. They all have. I like Jody and Howard! I would love a reunion tour...maybe it will happen!


Dream on then, lol.

lol Most of the time jody acts like shalamar never existed
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Reply #94 posted 06/18/09 12:23pm

Timmy84

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:



Dream on then, lol.

lol Most of the time jody acts like shalamar never existed


After all she went through trying to prove she was worthy to them, I can see WHY! lol Just saying. wink No shade on Howard but come on now! lol
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Reply #95 posted 06/18/09 12:24pm

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I never knew Mickey Free was native american till recently


I think Miki "passed" as Black or Latin back then, can't remember which. Before him, there was a Native guitarist named Jesse Ed Davis. Jesse Ed was quite the guy....huge guitarist, so I hav no idea why people didn't know Miki was Native.
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Reply #96 posted 06/18/09 12:29pm

Timmy84

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scriptgirl said:

I never knew Mickey Free was native american till recently


I think Miki "passed" as Black or Latin back then, can't remember which. Before him, there was a Native guitarist named Jesse Ed Davis. Jesse Ed was quite the guy....huge guitarist, so I hav no idea why people didn't know Miki was Native.


He passed as black, I think. hmmm
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Reply #97 posted 06/18/09 12:29pm

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brooksie said:

scriptgirl said:

I never knew Mickey Free was native american till recently


I think Miki "passed" as Black or Latin back then, can't remember which. Before him, there was a Native guitarist named Jesse Ed Davis. Jesse Ed was quite the guy....huge guitarist, so I hav no idea why people didn't know Miki was Native.

People were more concerned about trying to figure out if he was a male or female lol



after Howard Hewitt left the group, it wasn't Shalamar. Why did they still perform under the moniker? and did the later version of the group perform the older hits like Second Time Around and A Night To Remember when they had concerts?
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Reply #98 posted 06/18/09 12:33pm

Timmy84

bboy87 said:

brooksie said:



I think Miki "passed" as Black or Latin back then, can't remember which. Before him, there was a Native guitarist named Jesse Ed Davis. Jesse Ed was quite the guy....huge guitarist, so I hav no idea why people didn't know Miki was Native.

People were more concerned about trying to figure out if he was a male or female lol



after Howard Hewitt left the group, it wasn't Shalamar. Why did they still perform under the moniker? and did the later version of the group perform the older hits like Second Time Around and A Night To Remember when they had concerts?


They probably did but as Soul Alive said, the new Shalamar didn't catch on. lol
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Reply #99 posted 06/18/09 12:36pm

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Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:


lol Most of the time jody acts like shalamar never existed


After all she went through trying to prove she was worthy to them, I can see WHY! lol Just saying. wink No shade on Howard but come on now! lol

LOL I agree but just saying though lol ..it's still a big part of her career either she likes it or not lol
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Reply #100 posted 06/18/09 1:26pm

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SoulAlive said:

Howard Hewitt really dogged Jody and Jeffrey disbelief I remember in 1983 when they left the group (shortly after "Dead Giveaway" became a big hit),he paraded the new member around (Micki Free) and the two of them held a highly publicized "audition" to replace Jody Watley.This was covered in magazines like Black Beat and Right On!.Worse of all,he filmed a video for "Over And Over" (the last single that featured Howard,Jody and Jeffrey) as a solo performance! It's as if he's saying "See? I don't need you losers".


Howard was acting as if Jody and Jeffrey were easily replaceable but karma has a way of catching up to people.The "new" Shalamar released the album 'Heartbreak' in 1984 and it bombed.Howard pursued a solo career,but Jody got the last laugh when her own solo album was released in 1987.It went platinum,had a whopping five hit singles,and won her a Grammy for Best New Artist.


The album might have bombed, but that album did get them 2 more smash singles:




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Reply #101 posted 06/18/09 1:35pm

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bboy87 said:

brooksie said:



I think Miki "passed" as Black or Latin back then, can't remember which. Before him, there was a Native guitarist named Jesse Ed Davis. Jesse Ed was quite the guy....huge guitarist, so I hav no idea why people didn't know Miki was Native.

People were more concerned about trying to figure out if he was a male or female lol



after Howard Hewitt left the group, it wasn't Shalamar. Why did they still perform under the moniker? and did the later version of the group perform the older hits like Second Time Around and A Night To Remember when they had concerts?


No. But they did perform these Prince-ish & Cameo-like songs:



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Reply #102 posted 06/18/09 1:38pm

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seems like Howard had hair trouble throughout his career hmmm
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Reply #103 posted 06/18/09 2:01pm

babybugz

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funkpill said:

seems like Howard had hair trouble throughout his career hmmm

lol well he is older now
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Reply #104 posted 06/18/09 2:39pm

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Jody seems to be all attitude all the time
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Reply #105 posted 06/18/09 7:01pm

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scriptgirl said:

Jody seems to be all attitude all the time


And that's what seems to be lost here based on some of the comments.
Jody came in the game cocky as a solo artist. I remember comments she
made while she was riding her wave as a solo artist when she stated notice
that female artists like Janet and Paula Abdul can dance better than i can
but i sing better. Everyone in the shalamar camp has their side of the story
but i certainly don't think Jody was pure as the driven snow. Jody's solo career was a little more successful than Howard's but let's be real shalamar was just another group before howard took them to new heights. Jody's vocals
blended in perfectly with howard's however.
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Reply #106 posted 06/18/09 7:09pm

Timmy84

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scriptgirl said:

Jody seems to be all attitude all the time


And that's what seems to be lost here based on some of the comments.
Jody came in the game cocky as a solo artist. I remember comments she
made while she was riding her wave as a solo artist when she stated notice
that female artists like Janet and Paula Abdul can dance better than i can
but i sing better. Everyone in the shalamar camp has their side of the story
but i certainly don't think Jody was pure as the driven snow. Jody's solo career was a little more successful than Howard's but let's be real shalamar was just another group before howard took them to new heights. Jody's vocals
blended in perfectly with howard's however.


I didn't know all of that.
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Reply #107 posted 06/18/09 7:14pm

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Did Jody even have that huge a presence in the media in her heyday?
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Reply #108 posted 06/18/09 7:16pm

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scriptgirl said:

Did Jody even have that huge a presence in the media in her heyday?

Jody was pretty big
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Reply #109 posted 06/18/09 7:17pm

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Timmy84 said:

phunkdaddy said:



And that's what seems to be lost here based on some of the comments.
Jody came in the game cocky as a solo artist. I remember comments she
made while she was riding her wave as a solo artist when she stated notice
that female artists like Janet and Paula Abdul can dance better than i can
but i sing better. Everyone in the shalamar camp has their side of the story
but i certainly don't think Jody was pure as the driven snow. Jody's solo career was a little more successful than Howard's but let's be real shalamar was just another group before howard took them to new heights. Jody's vocals
blended in perfectly with howard's however.


I didn't know all of that.


I loved Jody but she did have a sneaky arrogance.
I hope to see this episode this sunday at my mom's.
Have to make that 75 minute trip.
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Reply #110 posted 06/18/09 7:21pm

Timmy84

phunkdaddy said:

Timmy84 said:



I didn't know all of that.


I loved Jody but she did have a sneaky arrogance.
I hope to see this episode this sunday at my mom's.
Have to make that 75 minute trip.
[Edited 6/18/09 19:19pm]


Yeah you do have a point.
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Reply #111 posted 06/18/09 7:31pm

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Did Jody even have that huge a presence in the media in her heyday?


Jody was pretty darn hot for a while there. I'd say by the time she released Dont You Want Me up until Friends and her permormance on the MTV Awards she was just as big as Janet or Paula or George Michael peaking around the summer of '88. I sorta remember her bringing the vogue thing to pop audiences before Madonna, and all the girls biting her tutu skirt and hoop earing style. To say she was more popular than Howard is a huge understatement.
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Reply #112 posted 06/18/09 7:40pm

babybugz

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phunkdaddy said:

scriptgirl said:

Jody seems to be all attitude all the time


And that's what seems to be lost here based on some of the comments.
Jody came in the game cocky as a solo artist. I remember comments she
made while she was riding her wave as a solo artist when she stated notice
that female artists like Janet and Paula Abdul can dance better than i can
but i sing better. Everyone in the shalamar camp has their side of the story
but i certainly don't think Jody was pure as the driven snow. Jody's solo career was a little more successful than Howard's but let's be real shalamar was just another group before howard took them to new heights. Jody's vocals
blended in perfectly with howard's however.

I guess because howard and Jody both had cocky ways about them is the reason they never got along
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Reply #113 posted 06/18/09 8:07pm

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Timmy84 said:

phunkdaddy said:



And that's what seems to be lost here based on some of the comments.
Jody came in the game cocky as a solo artist. I remember comments she
made while she was riding her wave as a solo artist when she stated notice
that female artists like Janet and Paula Abdul can dance better than i can
but i sing better. Everyone in the shalamar camp has their side of the story
but i certainly don't think Jody was pure as the driven snow. Jody's solo career was a little more successful than Howard's but let's be real shalamar was just another group before howard took them to new heights. Jody's vocals
blended in perfectly with howard's however.


I didn't know all of that.


Well I have to agree with Jody, she could sing better than Janet and Paula Abdul. I don't think she was being cocky she was telling the truth on that part!
When she came out with "Its still a thrill" and "Im looking for a new love", I thought she had hung the moon! Jody was the shit back in the day. I don't think she aged well though. They were squabbling bad in the group. Jody told them she was moving overseas, and she said they thought she was going through a spell of PMS.
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Reply #114 posted 06/18/09 8:52pm

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Did Jody even have that huge a presence in the media in her heyday?


Yes, she did. Her image wasn't like Madonna or Janet's, she was thought of as a WOMAN...not girlish like the others. She was like a late 80s Diana Ross type...sexy, super fashionable, and a full grown woman. She was big stuff.
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Reply #115 posted 06/18/09 8:53pm

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What this about Jeffrey Daniels putting the smackdown on his then wife Stephanie Mills?
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Reply #116 posted 06/18/09 9:03pm

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I want to see a documentary about SOLAR. I swear o' god, talk about the devil's den.



Big co-sign on this Harle, I know it would be a very interesting story indeed.
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Reply #117 posted 06/18/09 9:45pm

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scriptgirl said:

What this about Jeffrey Daniels putting the smackdown on his then wife Stephanie Mills?


They had a short and turbulant marriage. It was rumored that he beat her. I don't know how this info got around, but that was the general belief about their relationship.
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Reply #118 posted 06/18/09 9:52pm

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Jeffrey has mean eyes and he's kinda crackheadish looking
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Reply #119 posted 06/19/09 12:54am

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Jody seems to be all attitude all the time


If she seems a little bitter,I can see where she is coming from.She was in the group from the beginning,Howard joins in 1979 and HE decides that he is the "leader" and that the other two are just "dancers" who can easily be replaced confused She has said that Howard behaved like a dictator,trying to control everything and not letting her have much imput.In 1983,there was a big showdown/argument where Jeffrey and Jody both decided to quit the group.According to Jody,Howard told her to her face "You won't make it as a solo act."

She gleefully recalls that,"When I won the Grammy for Best New Artist of 1987,he didn't even call to congratulate me". lol

The fact that she won't participate in a Shalamar reunion shows that she is still pissed about the whole situation.I'd love for them to call a truce and do a reunion,but they would have to work through alot of the bitter feelings.
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