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Printablephunkdaddy said: babybugz said: well jody said she had a feeling some things were going to be cut ..she said on her twitter.
As much as i love Jody,i'm just not feeling her oh they done me so wrong stories. The music business is shady, always has been, always will be. Howard and Jeff seemed to have good vibes about what they accomplished and both acknowledged the ups and downs, the group's turmoil but both seem to have moved on. Jody still seems to hang on to some bad feelings. It's been 20 something years move on. I'm not expecting any type of reunion out of this and Howard respectfully stated he wouldn't want to do it without the other two members but if Howie and Jeff ever got that itch to do it and Jody trips hell just get another female voice and do some select shows and call it a day. Didn't Ms. Ross try to do that? Did it work? 
For one, women don't forget shit.  It appears Ms. Watley has moved on and has chosen not to rehash old hurts or insults, so be it. I'm sure all are willing to admit they did somethings and said somethings they later regretted. Lets hope they've all matured enough were they've apologized for their parts in the drama. Having said that.
I don't think it's a coincidence that Ms. Watley replacement (Delisa Davis) in Shalamar ran into the same hot mess with Mr. Hewitt and it's also newest member Mr. Free. I think it's called misogyny. The funny thing if Mr. Hewitt or Mr. Daniel's had ever said they were being dogged by racist white record executive, every Brotha on the org would have been up in arms, had something to say, and would have concurred because they said so. I wonder if they would have been asked to forgive and forget mistreatment? Double Standard. I'm just sayin...  [Edited 6/21/09 23:41pm] | |
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TD3 said: phunkdaddy said: As much as i love Jody,i'm just not feeling her oh they done me so wrong stories. The music business is shady, always has been, always will be. Howard and Jeff seemed to have good vibes about what they accomplished and both acknowledged the ups and downs, the group's turmoil but both seem to have moved on. Jody still seems to hang on to some bad feelings. It's been 20 something years move on. I'm not expecting any type of reunion out of this and Howard respectfully stated he wouldn't want to do it without the other two members but if Howie and Jeff ever got that itch to do it and Jody trips hell just get another female voice and do some select shows and call it a day. Didn't Ms. Ross try to do that? Did it work?
For one, women don't forget shit. It appears Ms. Watley has moved on and has chosen not to rehash old hurts or insults, so be it. I'm sure all are willing to admit they did somethings and said somethings they later regretted. Lets hope they've all matured enough were they've apologized for their parts in the drama. Having said that.
I don't think it's a coincidence that Ms. Watley replacement (Delisa Davis) in Shalamar ran into the same hot mess with Mr. Hewitt and it's also newest member Mr. Free. I think it's called misogyny. The funny thing if Mr. Hewitt or Mr. Daniel's had ever said they were being dogged by racist white record executive, every Brotha on the org would have been up in arms, had something to say, and would have concurred because they said so. I wonder if they would have been asked to forgive and forget mistreatment? Double Standard. I'm just sayin...
[Edited 6/21/09 23:41pm] Same bullshit, different day, basically. So far, I've read that Jody was: Arrogant Grudge holder Bitter Drama queen Petty Jealous Meanwhile, nobody said a DAMN thing about how much of assholes Mr.Howard or Suge Knight's uncle were. Excuse my bloody french, but some of these people need to get off Jody's clit and start looking at the story a lil' more objectively. [Edited 6/21/09 23:57pm] | |
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I didn't like that little gleam in Howard's eye when he said he hit on Jody. I bet he hit on her more than a few times and I bet it wasn't in the nicest of ways. "Lack of home training crosses all boundaries." | |
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TD3 said: phunkdaddy said: As much as i love Jody,i'm just not feeling her oh they done me so wrong stories. The music business is shady, always has been, always will be. Howard and Jeff seemed to have good vibes about what they accomplished and both acknowledged the ups and downs, the group's turmoil but both seem to have moved on. Jody still seems to hang on to some bad feelings. It's been 20 something years move on. I'm not expecting any type of reunion out of this and Howard respectfully stated he wouldn't want to do it without the other two members but if Howie and Jeff ever got that itch to do it and Jody trips hell just get another female voice and do some select shows and call it a day. Didn't Ms. Ross try to do that? Did it work?
For one, women don't forget shit. It appears Ms. Watley has moved on and has chosen not to rehash old hurts or insults, so be it. I'm sure all are willing to admit they did somethings and said somethings they later regretted. Lets hope they've all matured enough were they've apologized for their parts in the drama. Having said that.
I don't think it's a coincidence that Ms. Watley replacement (Delisa Davis) in Shalamar ran into the same hot mess with Mr. Hewitt and it's also newest member Mr. Free. I think it's called misogyny.[b] The funny thing if Mr. Hewitt or Mr. Daniel's had ever said they were being dogged by racist white record executive, every Brotha on the org would have been up in arms, had something to say, and would have concurred because they said so. I wonder if they would have been asked to forgive and forget mistreatment? Double Standard. I'm just sayin...
[b][Edited 6/21/09 23:41pm] How is that possible when Micki looked just as much like a woman as she did?!
What is this about Jermaine Stewart and Micki Free hanging out back in the day? I heard that somewhere... "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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Harlepolis said: TD3 said: Didn't Ms. Ross try to do that? Did it work?
For one, women don't forget shit. It appears Ms. Watley has moved on and has chosen not to rehash old hurts or insults, so be it. I'm sure all are willing to admit they did somethings and said somethings they later regretted. Lets hope they've all matured enough were they've apologized for their parts in the drama. Having said that.
I don't think it's a coincidence that Ms. Watley replacement (Delisa Davis) in Shalamar ran into the same hot mess with Mr. Hewitt and its newest member also, Mr. FreeL: I think it's called misogyny. The funny thing if Mr. Hewitt or Mr. Daniel's had ever said they were being dogged by racist white record executive, every Brotha on the org would have been up in arms, had something to say, and would have concurred because they said so. I wonder if they would have been asked to forgive and forget mistreatment? Double Standard. I'm just sayin...
[Edited 6/21/09 23:41pm] Same bullshit, different day, basically. So far, I've read that Jody was: Arrogant Grudge holder Bitter Drama queen Petty Jealous Meanwhile, nobody said a DAMN thing about how much of assholes Mr.Howard or Suge Knight's uncle were. Excuse my bloody french, but some of these people need to get off Jody's clit and start looking at the story a lil' more objectively. [Edited 6/21/09 23:57pm] OK? Good point(s) Please, lease thrown that into the conversation as well. I'm not sure what Ms. Watley was are wasn't personality wise but to listen and/or read what Dina Washington, Billie Holiday, Sarah Vaughan, Lena Horn or any number of black women in the music business past or present say, don't have an "attitude" and watch your butt get handed back to you... what's left of it. They dogged Watley out and it was only towards the end the suits at Solar realized they'd made a mistake. Oops. She did what she was suppose to do, quit and started another career. | |
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bboy87 said: TD3 said: Didn't Ms. Ross try to do that? Did it work?
For one, women don't forget shit. It appears Ms. Watley has moved on and has chosen not to rehash old hurts or insults, so be it. I'm sure all are willing to admit they did somethings and said somethings they later regretted. Lets hope they've all matured enough were they've apologized for their parts in the drama. Having said that.
I don't think it's a coincidence that Ms. Watley replacement (Delisa Davis) in Shalamar ran into the same hot mess with Mr. Hewitt and it's also newest member Mr. Free. I think it's called misogyny.[b] The funny thing if Mr. Hewitt or Mr. Daniel's had ever said they were being dogged by racist white record executive, every Brotha on the org would have been up in arms, had something to say, and would have concurred because they said so. I wonder if they would have been asked to forgive and forget mistreatment? Double Standard. I'm just sayin...
[b][Edited 6/21/09 23:41pm] How is that possible when Micki looked just as much like a woman as she did?!
What is this about Jermaine Stewart and Micki Free hanging out back in the day? I heard that somewhere...
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Harlepolis said: Excuse my bloody french, but some of these people need to get off Jody's clit and start looking at the story a lil' more objectively. [Edited 6/21/09 23:57pm] I like to get on her clit actually....LOL!!! | |
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Perhaps Jody has a few bad feelings, but I think if people tried to pressure me to have an abortion for their needs...I might be a touch pissed too, even many years after the fact. She was asked about HER experiences and gave them. Those dudes clearly had issues w/ women (Daniel anyone? Hewett "hitting on her"?) so no harm, no foul. I'm not so sure that not wanting to go down memory lane (ie reuniting) is such a bad thing anyway. People have the records and the vids are on YT....so you can get your fix of them young and pretty. | |
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brooksie said: Perhaps Jody has a few bad feelings, but I think if people tried to pressure me to have an abortion for their needs...I might be a touch pissed too, even many years after the fact. She was asked about HER experiences and gave them. Those dudes clearly had issues w/ women (Daniel anyone? Hewett "hitting on her"?) so no harm, no foul. I'm not so sure that not wanting to go down memory lane (ie reuniting) is such a bad thing anyway. People have the records and the vids are on YT....so you can get your fix of them young and pretty.
Howard hit her? 
And people are STILL pulling the broken "Get over it" record outta their asses?  It sounds to me like a "shut the fuck up and be glad you even have a career to begin with" sentiment.
*sigh!* Well anyway, I already said my peace about this woman. I admire her for re-inventing her career,,,,,and I think longevity that she enjoys now is pretty well-deserved. It just proves that she got a head between those shoulders, and she used it well. As for lack of Solar royalty checks, well thats why she got her hands full on interpreneurism,,,so, I think Ms.thing won't be hitting the streets anytime soon. [Edited 6/22/09 3:58am] | |
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scriptgirl said: Dude, what is going on with unsung this season? The only good one so far was Minnie's. There is a Shalamar story, but shit was glossed over. No mention of Jefferey's marriage to Stephanie Mills at all and my older cousin told me that when they got married, that was big news in the black music world
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utopia7 said: wow I didn't know she had a child I wonder why Andre wanted to keep their marriage a secret. learned a little from this special... but as many said it wasn't in-depth enough.
Jody Watley doesn't get enough credit for her influence on fashion in the early 80's I don't get why they didn't mention how Jody and Andre hooked up. That is part of the Shalamar story. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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musicman said: daPrettyman said: Why was Howard's SUCCESSFUL solo career overlooked? He had great success on the r&b side of things.
Why was Jeffrey's solo projects overlooked? When did "Dancing In The Sheets" win a Grammy? I cannot locate any info backing that statement up. Why was the Babyface collaboration overlooked? That was truly the Shalamar reunion (on record at least). So many unanswered questions and half-truths. Thanks TV-One for half-doing a job....again. I see it was nominated for a best R&B Grammy in 1984, but I Feel For You won. Not only that, "Dacing in The Sheets" is from the Footloose soundtrack. "Don't Get Stopped in Beverly Hills" was from the Beverly Hills Cop soundtrack. They got that wrong too. Sure did. I forgot about that. I looked on the Grammy site, the soundtrack won a Grammy, but their song didn't. The site lists Howard as a Grammy winner along with all of the other songwriters for that soundtrack. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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scriptgirl said: That sleazoid Bobby Womanck is getting an ep? Blech.
Anyway, since when were Jody and Andre married? You didn't hear about that? They were married the whole time her successful solo career was going on. It wasn't until after she did "Intimacy" that things started to fall apart for them. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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bboy87 said: daPrettyman said: Why was Howard's SUCCESSFUL solo career overlooked? He had great success on the r&b side of things.
Why was Jeffrey's solo projects overlooked? When did "Dancing In The Sheets" win a Grammy? I cannot locate any info backing that statement up. Why was the Babyface collaboration overlooked? That was truly the Shalamar reunion (on record at least). So many unanswered questions and half-truths. Thanks TV-One for half-doing a job....again. Yeah, they did overlook Jeffery's work, especially in the dance community Homie co-choreographied 2 of my favorite videos, Bad and Smooth Criminal I know. They could have at least shown a clip of him in the Bad video or something. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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Harlepolis said: TD3 said: Didn't Ms. Ross try to do that? Did it work?
For one, women don't forget shit. It appears Ms. Watley has moved on and has chosen not to rehash old hurts or insults, so be it. I'm sure all are willing to admit they did somethings and said somethings they later regretted. Lets hope they've all matured enough were they've apologized for their parts in the drama. Having said that.
I don't think it's a coincidence that Ms. Watley replacement (Delisa Davis) in Shalamar ran into the same hot mess with Mr. Hewitt and it's also newest member Mr. Free. I think it's called misogyny. The funny thing if Mr. Hewitt or Mr. Daniel's had ever said they were being dogged by racist white record executive, every Brotha on the org would have been up in arms, had something to say, and would have concurred because they said so. I wonder if they would have been asked to forgive and forget mistreatment? Double Standard. I'm just sayin...
[Edited 6/21/09 23:41pm] Same bullshit, different day, basically. So far, I've read that Jody was: Arrogant Grudge holder Bitter Drama queen Petty Jealous Meanwhile, nobody said a DAMN thing about how much of assholes Mr.Howard or Suge Knight's uncle were. Excuse my bloody french, but some of these people need to get off Jody's clit and start looking at the story a lil' more objectively. [Edited 6/21/09 23:57pm] You know, I get where you are coming from. That is part of the reason why I wish this documentary would have been more like an Oprah-like interview. They really needed someone there to ask the right questions. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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Thanks for posting this. I was always a Shalamar fan, but lawd I had no idea all that drama was going on behind the scenes. Everytime you saw them perform, they always seemed to be content, but I have to say, I always liked Jeff, Jody and Howard as a group.
I know Jody has worked with the group 4hero in the past and did some tracks with them that aren't too bad. Kind of sad knowing a group that was so popular back then and had so many fans, had all that drama going on behind the scenes. | |
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daPrettyman said: scriptgirl said: That sleazoid Bobby Womanck is getting an ep? Blech.
Anyway, since when were Jody and Andre married? You didn't hear about that? They were married the whole time her successful solo career was going on. It wasn't until after she did "Intimacy" that things started to fall apart for them. ----- Jody did an interview with Afronerd recently and she refused to even discuss Andre. So I take it there is bad blood. | |
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daPrettyman said: bboy87 said: Yeah, they did overlook Jeffery's work, especially in the dance community Homie co-choreographied 2 of my favorite videos, Bad and Smooth Criminal I know. They could have at least shown a clip of him in the Bad video or something. or the scene of him and Michael working it at Michael's house, with Jeffery's perm damn near sweated out and Michael with no makeup on and his curl fucked up "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: daPrettyman said: I know. They could have at least shown a clip of him in the Bad video or something. or the scene of him and Michael working it at Michael's house, with Jeffery's perm damn near sweated out and Michael with no makeup on and his curl fucked up 
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daPrettyman said: bboy87 said: or the scene of him and Michael working it at Michael's house, with Jeffery's perm damn near sweated out and Michael with no makeup on and his curl fucked up
it's at 4:30 Jeffery rockin' the acid wash jeans.... "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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Interesting show last night.
Jody will NEVER work with Howard again. | |
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daPrettyman said: musicman said: I see it was nominated for a best R&B Grammy in 1984, but I Feel For You won. Not only that, "Dacing in The Sheets" is from the Footloose soundtrack. "Don't Get Stopped in Beverly Hills" was from the Beverly Hills Cop soundtrack. They got that wrong too. Sure did. I forgot about that. I looked on the Grammy site, the soundtrack won a Grammy, but their song didn't. The site lists Howard as a Grammy winner along with all of the other songwriters for that soundtrack. And the singers associated with the soundtrack also. | |
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Graycap23 said: Interesting show last night.
Jody will NEVER work with Howard again. So true. I guess those 2 egos cannot get along at all. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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daPrettyman said: utopia7 said: wow I didn't know she had a child I wonder why Andre wanted to keep their marriage a secret. learned a little from this special... but as many said it wasn't in-depth enough.
Jody Watley doesn't get enough credit for her influence on fashion in the early 80's I don't get why they didn't mention how Jody and Andre hooked up. That is part of the Shalamar story. Jody was married to Andre Cymone three years into the marriage and he STILL wanted to keep it a secret. Jody said it was to protect her as a rising star. That is bullshit he was a dog and cheated like hell on her. He used to be a bass player with Prince and had a groupie fan bass. They have two children Lauren a daughter and a son Arie. They were married 10 years and divorced around the end of 1995. That is when she came out with the song, "Looking for a new love". A lot of people didn't even know Jody Watley was married! I don't blame Jody for not working with them on a reunion. She said if you only knew how bad it was behind the scene's people would stop asking for a reunion. Howard was an asshole, and he was probably making passes and crossing the line with Jody. She got exploited bigtime. She said Shalamar wasn't really what she wanted anyway. The solo thing was what she always wanted to do. When Jody's career blew up, Howard didn't even call her to congratulate her. Jody's not the only one with ill feelings. http://www.musicianguide....atley.html [Edited 6/22/09 10:02am] The message you are about to hear are not meant for transmission. Should ONLY be accessed in the privacy of your mind. Words are so intense so if you dare to listen.Take off your clothes and meet me between the lines.  | |
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As far as I know, Andre is NOT the father of Jody's daughter Lauren and the song "Looking for a New Love" came out in 87 or 88, NOT 95. I also think everyone on this board knows Andre played in Prince's band [Edited 6/22/09 10:35am] "Lack of home training crosses all boundaries." | |
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scriptgirl said: As far as I know, Andre is NOT the father of Jody's daughter Lauren and the song "Looking for a New Love" came out in 87 or 88, NOT 95. I also think everyone on this board knows Andre played in Prince's band
[Edited 6/22/09 10:35am] It was definitely 1987 when her solo debut came out. I always thought her daughter was by Andre. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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Chic35 said: daPrettyman said: I don't get why they didn't mention how Jody and Andre hooked up. That is part of the Shalamar story. Jody was married to Andre Cymone three years into the marriage and he STILL wanted to keep it a secret. Jody said it was to protect her as a rising star. That is bullshit he was a dog and cheated like hell on her. He used to be a bass player with Prince and had a groupie fan bass. They have two children Lauren a daughter and a son Arie. They were married 10 years and divorced around the end of 1995. That is when she came out with the song, "Looking for a new love". A lot of people didn't even know Jody Watley was married! I don't blame Jody for not working with them on a reunion. She said if you only knew how bad it was behind the scene's people would stop asking for a reunion. Howard was an asshole, and he was probably making passes and crossing the line with Jody. She got exploited bigtime. She said Shalamar wasn't really what she wanted anyway. The solo thing was what she always wanted to do. When Jody's career blew up, Howard didn't even call her to congratulate her. Jody's not the only one with ill feelings. http://www.musicianguide....atley.html [Edited 6/22/09 10:02am] Your facts are not correct about Jody and her divorce. According to this interview: http://urbanbridgez.com/u...nt-page-1/ , Jody was going through a divorce when she was recording "Intimacy". That would mean that she was going through a divorce in 92 or 93. "Intimacy" was released in 93. Quote from interview "All my songs are hard, I’ve written most of them, so I feel bad for picking one out (laughs). It’s like I love you all, I really, really do (laughs). They all say something, like on my record “Intimacy” and I was going through my divorce " **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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"Lookin' for a New Love" came out in '86. I think Jody married Andre that same year. | |
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Timmy84 said: "Lookin' for a New Love" came out in '86. I think Jody married Andre that same year.
According to what I've found online, they got married in 91. Looking for a new Love came out in 87. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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daPrettyman said: Timmy84 said: "Lookin' for a New Love" came out in '86. I think Jody married Andre that same year.
According to what I've found online, they got married in 91. Looking for a new Love came out in 87. Ooh I thought LFANL was out in late '86, I guess you can say '87, lol. I read 1989 when they married but maybe that was a typo, I forgot myself. | |
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