lilgish said:

And you know i'm the one that can send it there with just 3 words.


tA

Tribal Disorder

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RepoMan said:

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I saw a picture of her that was older. If you compare that to the picture in the lower corner it obvious that she is on the same road that Mike is on. If you can see it you need to go to doctor and get your eyes checked.

laurarichardson said:

You mean "can't", right? Anyway, BOTH pictures are recent. People just want to compare the old dark Kim to the light one and completely ignore the other picture because that one doesn't support their little bullshit theories.
[Edited 9/24/05 14:10pm]

VanitySixx said:

Let me just say that I've never seen this pic before & I'm convinced this bitch was dressed up for halloween




A one time wig don't count - would she ever permanently change the texture of her hair? I think not... but is this heffa even White while we're talking?? I thought she was Latina




I see your point. It's still not as big a stretch for her as it is for Kim but I do see your point




Of course White women have body issues too, it's just compounded when the race issue is on top of it (which White women don't have). Maybe the problem is that everyone is trying to be Barbie, a silly standard to begin with. And the only ones who can even get close are White women. So I really do understand what you're saying. But as a person of color when I see women of color trying to become that & not embracing what's beautiful about themselves it becomes twisted & sad to me, the racial part of it. I'll just never feel differently about that...

Moonwalkbjrain said:

Aww shit

VanitySixx said:

Not true. I wish I could find pics of her @ that racetrack when she was really super light. But anyway, I don't know how this whole skin lightening bullshit works. Maybe it goes in stages or something but Kim's been several different shades over the last 2 years or so - she's no where near the color she used to be normally. Forgive me for posting these again:

OLD KIM:




KIM w/ enhancements:





NEW/FUCKED UP/WANNA BE WHITE KIM:











If you can look @ that HOT 97 pic & believe this broad is the same color as before & looks lighter from photography???

i got this from this site a while ago, someone posted it here, i think his name was love4oneanother, it really makes sense and i know its long but read it:

Well i wasn't going to reply until this statement just wish to make a few corrections X if you don't mind
Its quite obvious Jackson has vitiligo, its even been discussed in the recent trial... but i wanted to clear up that Causions DO have Melanin they just have a lighter version, virtually everyone has melanin if they didn't they have no pigment in their lips hair color, eye color etc etc!
If Caucasians had no melanin they would have no protection from the sun, the evolutionary patterns of melanin determine which part of the world you come from, if you live where weather is cold, melanin is not needed, thus people are lighter in complexion in hotter areas that retain more sun people have darker complexions for protection from the sun, scarred from hundreds of years of evolution and it became genetic
If you look at Jackson and a normal Caucasian side to side Jackson is infinitely more Paler, because unlike a normal Caucasian he has no Melanin at all his skin killer without all the make - up would look greyish,..
Now on to skin lighteners, Conventional skin lighteners are temporary, modern science has not developed a method to completely destroy Melanin in a persons sells without it basically killing them hydroquinone, a common skin lightening agents prevents the production of new melanin cells and makes people appear lighter but it does not kill the cells that create the melanin thus the skin color is only temporary when the hydroquinone has not been applied to the skin for a certain amount of time (depends on how much you apply) your skin returns to its normal pigment
Vitiligo, is a skin disease that virtually eats the pigment by destroying melanin AND the cells that create melanin,
nobody knows why this happens, dermatologists just know its genetic.
Now to the hair straightening and nose jobs
Jackson had nose jobs not to appear Caucasian but because he has issues with the actual nose, he had nose jobs way before his transformation into a different skin color.
To say that straightening his hair, leads to him wanting to be Caucasian is ridiculous as well cause many black males, and females straighten their hair or make it looser, because its just so much trouble to have, its "nappy" I assume it is easier to maintain when it is straightened.
If Jackson did what lil kim did, which was truly lighten her skin, and become a blond, then ok its obvious. His addiction to plastic surgery is self hatred, but not racially induced and I believe the black community is realizing that, and are accepting him back into the community the rumors about him are becoming primitive.

If you know anything about Benoquin, you would know that it's not powerful enough to depigment substantially. It's prescribed regularly to teenage acne suffers in order to get rid of hyperpigmentation. If someone were to abuse it, they would temporarily get lighter, but since pigment is regenerating, they would go back to their original color.

Depigmentation is a different therapy than the use of Benoquin. People who undergo depigmentation therapy lose all of their remaining pigment over the course of six months to a year. Michael's pigment loss was much more gradual and his legs are still quite dark in areas. I know what Katherine said to Rita Cosby, but she isn't always the most articulate or informed person out there (bless her heart).’
[Edited 9/24/05 18:55pm]

enough with the flames in this thread. seriously.

theAudience said:

do not EVEN go there!!!!

CalhounSq said:

i wish i could find the older pics too. vanitysixx this started months and months ago, the best example is an award show pic or her, and her top half is light while her legs are brown, i wish i could find that pic. another one, which started the whole observation in2 kims skin on the org was some pic off of msn. i REALLY wish i could find the ORIGINAL threads to show u

hellomoto said:

Vitiligo my ass!

thats true and ur right, but its different for a black person. a white person might hate their pasty, pale skin, however their not gonna go dark like wesley snipes, their gonna go dark enought to not look pale. with a blk person its different because of the whole race issue, this whole whitness is superior, if u white u right, if u light u better, etc...etc..
now lil kim might just have skin issues, it might have NOTHING at all to do with race, HOWEVER as black people alot of us are gonna take offense becuase of the history behind the whole light skin situation. im sorry u cant understand that,or even TRY to understand that

Rhondab said:

co sign

Moonwalkbjrain said:

double co-sign. Guys like Repo & Gemimi just don't get it.

Moonwalkbjrain said:

Janfriend said:

i repeat

Well i wasn't going to reply until this statement just wish to make a few corrections X if you don't mind
Its quite obvious Jackson has vitiligo, its even been discussed in the recent trial... but i wanted to clear up that Causions DO have Melanin they just have a lighter version, virtually everyone has melanin if they didn't they have no pigment in their lips hair color, eye color etc etc!
If Caucasians had no melanin they would have no protection from the sun, the evolutionary patterns of melanin determine which part of the world you come from, if you live where weather is cold, melanin is not needed, thus people are lighter in complexion in hotter areas that retain more sun people have darker complexions for protection from the sun, scarred from hundreds of years of evolution and it became genetic
If you look at Jackson and a normal Caucasian side to side Jackson is infinitely more Paler, because unlike a normal Caucasian he has no Melanin at all his skin killer without all the make - up would look greyish,..
Now on to skin lighteners, Conventional skin lighteners are temporary, modern science has not developed a method to completely destroy Melanin in a persons sells without it basically killing them hydroquinone, a common skin lightening agents prevents the production of new melanin cells and makes people appear lighter but it does not kill the cells that create the melanin thus the skin color is only temporary when the hydroquinone has not been applied to the skin for a certain amount of time (depends on how much you apply) your skin returns to its normal pigment
Vitiligo, is a skin disease that virtually eats the pigment by destroying melanin AND the cells that create melanin,
nobody knows why this happens, dermatologists just know its genetic.
Now to the hair straightening and nose jobs
Jackson had nose jobs not to appear Caucasian but because he has issues with the actual nose, he had nose jobs way before his transformation into a different skin color.
To say that straightening his hair, leads to him wanting to be Caucasian is ridiculous as well cause many black males, and females straighten their hair or make it looser, because its just so much trouble to have, its "nappy" I assume it is easier to maintain when it is straightened.
If Jackson did what lil kim did, which was truly lighten her skin, and become a blond, then ok its obvious. His addiction to plastic surgery is self hatred, but not racially induced and I believe the black community is realizing that, and are accepting him back into the community the rumors about him are becoming primitive.

If you know anything about Benoquin, you would know that it's not powerful enough to depigment substantially. It's prescribed regularly to teenage acne suffers in order to get rid of hyperpigmentation. If someone were to abuse it, they would temporarily get lighter, but since pigment is regenerating, they would go back to their original color.

Depigmentation is a different therapy than the use of Benoquin. People who undergo depigmentation therapy lose all of their remaining pigment over the course of six months to a year. Michael's pigment loss was much more gradual and his legs are still quite dark in areas. I know what Katherine said to Rita Cosby, but she isn't always the most articulate or informed person out there (bless her heart).’

Janfriend said:

hellomoto said:

Look,

There was no need for you to repost this. I do not believe the result of Michael's skin in solely because of vitiligo. I know people with vitiligo and there sking is not one even tone. There are patches. I think that he started lightening his skin with some illegal shit and it had adverse reactions causing vitligo-like symptoms. My friend with vitiligo said his doctor told him Michael took a shot to completely get rid of his melanin so he wouldn't have patches and it was an option for him (my friend) but he chose not to do it

laurarichardson said:

I just can't understand why this is even an argument. that pic of her in the corner says alot.


I think some folks need to read about the "color complex" issues amongst certain cultures especially within the black american community.



Go watch Spike Lee's School Daze.....Lil Kim is a jiggaboo turned into a wannabe.....
[Edited 9/25/05 5:21am]

I have to wonder how many women on this thread have:
1) colored contacts
2) colored hair
3) straightened hair
4) fake hair (weaves, braids, extensions)
5) fake eyelashes
6) fake nails
7) push up bras
8) or have had plastic surgery
9) or WOULD have plastic surgery if they could afford it

My point - people do all kinds of things to enhance their appearance. Why do you get to decide what's acceptable and what isn't?

sociopath said:

You miss the point. Patti Labelle had a nose job. Mj had a nose job. do you see the difference.

Patti wanted to remain looking like a black woman. Mj wanted to look like a white woman.

We are not talking about simple cosmetic enhancements. I think some of you really don't get it. Its so obivious.

On your list:

Never wore colored contacts

My hair is colored as we speak

Had straightened hair...and will never again relax my hair. No longer buys into that "nappy hair is bad hair"....

Had major weaves in the 80's and early 90's...never wore bone straight hair though...always bought "kinky straight or curly"

the rest are no's....My tits don't need a push up anything..my nails can grow up to 4-5inchs long if I let them....don't need fake eyelashes cuz maybelline does fine....and I'm good with my face as is.

Rhondab said:

School me on this...how was Patti's nose job different? Is there a stencil the DR uses for a "Black nose?" If that's the case, why don't ya'll get on Janet's case? Her nose could cut cheese it's so fucking sharp.

Rhondab said:

I think it's also obvious some of us think the same about some of you.



That actually explains a lot.



As long as YOU are happy with it, right?

sociopath said:

Cuz we're talking about Lil'kim...and yes, Janet, latoya need their asses beat too.


And yes, doctors do try to keep the ethnicity of the face when doing nose jobs and other things. And yes there is a difference.....so let's not start with there are no physical ethnic differences between races of ppl.....please...lets not do that one.

Threads like these make you proud to be an orger.