She doesn't look that white in the picture. Hell I've seen pictures of Prince where he looks really white. I'm sure Prince does have some white or other type of blood in him, you'll never see someone looking like him in Africa thats for sure. Maybe his parents are mixed race.

TheCrucialExperience said:

Say please with sugar on top & I'll consider it, sir.

Body dysmorphic disorder:
Body dysmorphic disorder (BDD), a distressing and impairing preoccupation with an imagined or slight defect in appearance, is an "OCD-spectrum disorder" that appears to be relatively common. BDD often goes unrecognized and undiagnosed, however, due to patients' reluctance to divulge their symptoms because of secrecy and shame. Any body part can be the focus of concern (most often, the skin, hair, and nose), and most patients engage in compulsive behaviors, such as mirror checking, camouflaging, excessive grooming, and skin picking. Approximately half are delusional, and a majority experience ideas or delusions of reference. Nearly all patients suffer some impairment in functioning as a result of their symptoms, some to a debilitating degree. Psychiatric hospitalization, suicidal ideation, and suicide attempts are relatively common. While treatment data are preliminary at this time, selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) appear to often be effective for BDD, even if symptoms are delusional. Cognitive-behavioral therapy is another promising approach. While much remains to be learned about BDD, it is important that clinicians screen patients for this disorder and accurately diagnose it, as available treatments are very promising for those who suffer from this distressing and sometimes disabling disorder.
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BODY DYSMORPHIC DISORDER (BDD)
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The primary distinguishing feature of Body Dysmorphic Disorder (BDD) is an obsessive preoccupation with a perceived defect in one's physical appearance. BDD obsessions may manifest as excessive, disproportionate concerns about a minor flaw, or as recurrent, anxiety-provoking thoughts about an entirely imagined defect. The obsessions are most frequently focused on the head and face, but may involve any body part. BDD goes beyond normal concern with one's appearance, and may significantly impair academic and professional functioning, as well as interpersonal relationships. In extreme cases, an individual may completely shun any contact with people in an effort to avoid having the defect being observed by others.

Common BDD obsessions involve:


Moles and freckles being too large or noticeable
Acne
Minor scars or skin aberrations
Too much facial or body hair
Too little hair on head
Size and/or shape of genitalia
Breast size
Muscles being too small
Overall size, shape and/or symmetry of the face or another body part
Common BDD compulsions include:


Repetitive checking of a minor or imagined flaw in mirrors
Avoidance of mirrors
Avoidance of having picture taken
Repetitive grooming activities such as shaving, combing hair, etc.
Repetitive checking, touching and/or measuring of a minor or imagined defect
Wearing excessive make-up to camouflage a minor or imagined flaw
Wearing certain clothes to camouflage a minor or imagined defect
Multiple medical visits, especially to dermatologists
Multiple medical procedures in an effort to eradicate a minor or imagined flaw
As demonstrated above, BDD has obsessive-compulsive features that are quite similar to those of OCD. In fact, one recent study found that 24% of those with BDD also had OCD. Perhaps the most significant similarity linking the two disorders is the cyclical process by which the symptoms of both increase. To learn more about this process, click here.

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SEXYMOFO said:

CaaaaalhouuuuunSquaaaaare!!!!!

ThreadBare said:

What a...um, an uninformed individual.
Oh yeah, check my signaure.

ehuffnsd said:

OMG, i think i have BBD

and i think this a great pic

Actually she looks kind of becoming in this photo compared to some of her past looks.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I was thinkin' of that B4. Brown skined back in the day.

Adisa said:

ROFLMMFAO!!!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I don't think it's a matter of people living their lives through them at all, Supa MJ could be a little crazy hermit man who only came out the house once a week (i.e. not having much of an effect on anyone around him) & I'd still think what he's done to himself is sad, that "one of our own" (so to speak) chooses to embody that same old fucked up message the world gets over & over every day & that MANY still believe: that Black is inferior... undesirable... bad...

So to have MJ, possibly the most famous Black man in the WORLD, so willingly reinforce this shit on a global scale makes me sad (& frankly a bit angry) a million times over. This muthafucka had the world in the palm of his hand but all he wants more than anything is to look like White???

And the fact that most people basically think it's okay is disturbing to me I just think that any Black person w/ a certain level of pride in who they are has to be a little hurt by this kinda shit. It's like saying, "I AM you but I don't wanna be you." A rejection THAT DEEP - that goes to the core of who you are - is psychotic, sad & yet another reminder of how racism permeates society (& continues to fuck up future generations). MJ bought the lie, Kim is buying it too. It's just not cool at all.

Moonwalkbjrain said:

Well, I can see that. But I don't think she has ever opened up her mouth about black people not being attractive or even hinted at such. Besides if I remember correctly she has attempted the "oriental look" at the early part of her career, basically she's just experimenting with different looks. Was anybody screaming "Disgrace!" back then? I don't know about that "skin whitening" either, it could be just make-up for the most part.

Oh and as for that photograph, that picture looks nothing like her in real life. Photoshopped to death, it's just a fantasy portrait, nothing more. She'd wish she'd look that attractive. Most pictures in today's lifestyle magazines look like stillshots from computer games.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

it has NOTHING to do with plastic surgery. it has to do with her lightening her skin. when this shit first started people was postin pics, now this girl used to be like medium colored, and she went from that to this yellowish lookin shit.

prince shouldnt even be a part of this thread because he's a naturally light dude. and yes she DOES look that white in that pic, go get a pic of kim from when she first came out and make it black and white and do a comparison.

Novabreaker said:

well for one, of course shes NEVER goin to open up her mouth and say somethin like that, even if she felt it strongly, most of her fanbase is blk could u imagine the backlash??? also maybe she doesnt think black ISNT beautiful in general, but just doesnt want to be blk herself, or a DARK blk. because u dont go from her original color to that yellowish she for no reason. and yea i def. kno that photo is photoshopped, she looks a damn mess in life, and i hope the skin is photoshopped too and that she hasnt gone that far yet, but u never know, and the fact still remains that she did SOMETHING to herself

Rinluv said:

here we go with negro lesson 101:

ya'll we tan....when the tan goes away...our skin goes back to its rgular ole color. In the summer, I'm darker than in the winter. If prince isn't in the sun, as he would be more so in his younger days, I would imagine....his skin would be lighter. No bleaching. I could show you pics of my daughter in the summer vs the winter and you would think she did a michael on ya ass. My daughter is the same color as prince, and she is so freakin' light in the winter....but summer time comes....she's the golden child.

Good lawd.



And Supa and Madame: come on now. Just saying "do u" isn't what we're talking about on this thread. We are talking about self image and self hatred, which can come in many different forms. As a mother, I don't want my child to not like who she is and what she looks like so I am concerned with some who seem to have some issues with themselves no matter what is the motivation, race, cultural norms, media, or whatever because my child does watch the media.

Now do I think we can go to far. Hell yes. All this talk about dyin' ya hair blonde means ya wanna be white is a bit much. Some things are just for fashion and fun but other things we need to look closely at..and btw..lil kim has verbalized her desire to look like Pamela Anderson.

Rhondab said:

Great stuff. Bothers the hell out of me seeing black folks trying to achieve the American standard of beauty(that's why I can't stand seeing sistas with blonde hair). Wake the F--- up people, black is beautiful!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Supa, usually I agree with you on things dawg, but....

...I'm a Black man who seems to have lightened up in complexion over the years. The only thing I've applied to my skin are cleansers (e.g. Zihr, Stridex). It does happen to many Blacks. I'm not saying Prince hasn't been strolling up and down the Ambi aisle, but it is possible he didn't. It's not like he's in a place like I am where just walking out to the car gives you a tan.

Rhondab said:

Damn, Rhondab, suga. I should have scrolled down far enough to your post to catch that you phrased it better than I did. I guess when they don't know, they don't know.

Rhondab said:

Rhondab said:

Rhonda/Calhoun, point taken...understood....agreed with

I really didn't read this whole thread just that people were tripping out on her look and I thought the picture is probably one of the better one's she's ever taken. Not from the standpoint of her skin color or her hair or plastic surgery (I wasn't even aware until now that she was having any) but that she looks a hell of a lot more classy in this pic than any time I've ever seen her. And she has said she wanted to look like Pam Anderson? I'm out of the loop cuz I had no idea if that is true.

Anyway, I don't disagree with what you guys are saying about blacks wanting to act white, to say it's sad that MJ has done everything in his power to denegrofy himself is an understatment. I get irritated in the same way when gay people try and act straight. Just be yaself

if its supposed to be acceptable for men to have sex changes into "women" and vice versa, i don't see what the problem is for lil kim wanting to look white. its all the same to me. maybe blonde hair and lighter skin is just kim "being herself."

and just for the record, i think she looks better in this photo than she's ever looked before.
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uPtoWnNY said:

Thank you so much. I couldn't have said it better. I cant stand it when males OR females (dark-skinned and all) tryin to sport whitish-yellow hair anyways, because most of the time it DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT.....

Even though it's okay to "experiment" with things like hair color, or clothes to ENHANCE, but when someone uses it to try and "mask" who they really are and morph into somethin they're not (just out of fantasy) it shows that they're cravin self esteem here. Serious help is needed, cause this IS a disgrace.

VelvetJ said:

Lil Kim who??????

kiss85 said:

Some white women aren't happy with who they are either:


She doesn't represent whites does she?

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[Edited 8/25/05 10:52am]

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

But is it the whiteness that their unhappy with? I didn't know the cat lady was hot

lilgish said:

You see blonde bimbos getting tans all the time. Unhappy with their pink skin

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

That's MJ's line not only that, but there's Bronze lotion....

nothing to say thats already been said

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Oooh.....

I don't know what the hell SHE represents..... she was beautiful the way she WAS. This is exactly what I was talkin about: Show who you ARE, what God gave you already. Enhancement is one thing, but too many plastic surgeries and collagen fills is another.

Regardless of race, some shit just does NOT look good on certain people!!!

But then, I guess it's all about knowin what works for you and what doesn't..... some people just don't know.