There are people on these drugs that you probably interact with if not daily on a weekly basis, and you don't even know it.

herb4 said:

ladygirl99 said:

But you are not part of his social circle so you can't determine what Prince's inner struggles or did he ever saw treatment for any mental illness since he was so private as he even kept things from his closest.

And I am sorry about your depression but your story is your story.

Not saying I am, unlike a lot of others in this thread who post FB gossip and claim to have insider info and shit. Don't be sorry about my depression, thanks. Not seeking sympathy.

I think i've had to less to say about Prince's inner circle and former lovers than most people in this thread and cut them more slack than most. I'm not calling his ex wives names and suggesting his friends were assholes. I'm not calling out his family for What They Should Do regarding the estate.

Maybe he DID have depression of sorts. It'd make sense to some degree. But usually people with that problem go through LONG periods of laziness, detachment, lack of motivation and wallow in self pity. I didn't see that too much with Prince. Maybe the detachment. Sure, it's my story and it's anecdotal and all but I've seen the disease up close so I figured I'd offer up what I know about it.

What the fuck else am I supposed to post or share? I'm not a doctor.

Oh I am not for pity sake for showing that what you facing is real and a true battle. But still ain't nothing wrong showing compassion toward others too humans are not always stoic. But I understand about depression and I have my own highs and lows and I watched how it affected people in my life from doing bad behaviours to offed themselves. I am just showing support for anyone who has it for further legitimacy because society doesn't take it seriously.

AA1slot said:

Got a question among the speculation of whether short term or long term drug use.....Does it matter how long he took drugs? Does it make it more acceptable if he had been using for decades? I guess I don't understand what difference it makes in the length of time he used. Unless Prince was sincere in wanting help (and according to KJ, Prince did want help in getting off the pain meds), his story was likely not going to have a happy ending. Even then, it was going to be a day at a time in recovery which can be a slippery slope. Being in recovery myself for a LONG time....I have seen people after surgery have pain meds prescribed and become addicted..it only took a couple of years for them to reach a bad bottom....they had given up their jobs, families, self-respect in order to keep using and in some cases switched drugs (heroin) since ithey was easier to get. Ive seen people with both short term and long term sobriety/clean time, leave a 12-step meeting, go home and load up a needle or a gun and wham that's it, it's over. Who knew? The behavior was there before the relapse...we just didnt see it. I've heard people say before their stint in rehab, theyhad one last big hurrah with their substance of choce. No one knows what was going through Prince's head except him and what happened on 4/20-21/16. Living or working with an addict (such as the associates) and being an addict are two different things; both are hell and it takes one to know one.

Some people think that his drug problem only started after his hip surgery. Others (like me) say he's dabbled on and off for years. It wasn't just a sudden thing. Just because he preached he was against drugs, doesn't mean he wasn't using them.

PennyPurple said:

AA1slot said:

Got a question among the speculation of whether short term or long term drug use.....Does it matter how long he took drugs? Does it make it more acceptable if he had been using for decades? I guess I don't understand what difference it makes in the length of time he used. Unless Prince was sincere in wanting help (and according to KJ, Prince did want help in getting off the pain meds), his story was likely not going to have a happy ending. Even then, it was going to be a day at a time in recovery which can be a slippery slope. Being in recovery myself for a LONG time....I have seen people after surgery have pain meds prescribed and become addicted..it only took a couple of years for them to reach a bad bottom....they had given up their jobs, families, self-respect in order to keep using and in some cases switched drugs (heroin) since ithey was easier to get. Ive seen people with both short term and long term sobriety/clean time, leave a 12-step meeting, go home and load up a needle or a gun and wham that's it, it's over. Who knew? The behavior was there before the relapse...we just didnt see it. I've heard people say before their stint in rehab, theyhad one last big hurrah with their substance of choce. No one knows what was going through Prince's head except him and what happened on 4/20-21/16. Living or working with an addict (such as the associates) and being an addict are two different things; both are hell and it takes one to know one.

Some people think that his drug problem only started after his hip surgery. Others (like me) say he's dabbled on and off for years. It wasn't just a sudden thing. Just because he preached he was against drugs, doesn't mean he wasn't using them.

Understood and have been keeping up and read the files...i just don't get why it matters since it doesnt change the outcome...just me, i guess...Thanks and peace.

herb4 said:

I'm gonna check out of this for a thread but wanna write something while I'm thinking about it that I think is really essential regarding Prince's stance on "drug use".

I don't think this can be emphasized enough either.

When something is legal, prescribed and in a pill form, the mindset about the substance being "dirty" or a something typical that we associate and abscribe to the negative stereotypical image and portray of "someone who uses drugs" is lessened VERY significantly.

I remember when I was a heavy pot smoker and an occasional user of psychadelics, catching a certin level of shit from my mom who was, and still is, a heavy HEAVY user of psychoactive drugs, anti anxiety meds, tranquilzers and anti-depressants. She naivley thought that those drugs are automatically less harmful or addictive since they carry a certain measure of credibility and legality by virute of being "prescribed", and certainly no cop was going to lock her up for 5-10 years for posession of enough Xanax or Valium to knock out a moose.

In the 80's, during the bullshit hysteria of Nancy Reagan's "just say no" propaganda campaign, there were hundreds of thousands of housewives popping "diet pills" that were nothing more than legally prescribed speed along with sedative anti anxiety meds that rendered them into zombies. But, somehow, those same pep pill popping mama's never looked in the mirror when their little Tony got caught with a dime bag of grass in his laundry. It's hypocricy of the highest order and endemic to the seemingly insurmountable, systematic "drug problem" America finds itself STILL facing 30 or 40 years later.

I say with great confidence that Prince was not a "drug user" in the traditional sense and fell victim to this same hypocritical view on the matter. "Druggies" live in smelly apratments that smell like bong water and incense, have mirrors with scratches on them, roaches in their ashtrays, excuse themselves constantly to visit the restroom, sniff a lot and leave dirty spoons lying around. Opening a bottle that carries the credibility of a doctor's signature, the ease of simply chasing a pill with water and the legal loophole that affords the user the plausible deniability of "posessing drugs" allows the them to convince themselves that "it's not really a DRUG" they're using.

It's MEDICINE. In Prince's case, it probably was and I feel certain that this is how he viewed it. As he got more addicted, he likely rationalized it while at the same time giving his entourage shit for smoking grass or cigarettes, drinking to excess or running off to the john to do a bump of the toilet seat. He was naive, I think. And this is nothing new either. Elvis (part of Nixon's anti drug task force for crying out loud), MJ, Anna Nicole Smith, Corey Haim, Heath Ledger, Phillip Seymour Hoffman, ...I could go ON AND ON...

People do this with alcohol to some extent too (rationalize it through its legality, not a prescription) and that's a highly dangerous and addictive drug that's advertised on TV for fuck's sake. Even still, ALCOHOL has more stigma than xanax, valium and MOST THINGS that come out of a bottle with a CVS label on them. I'm not saying that's WRONG. I think all drugs should be legal for the most part, in fact. I'm merely pointing out the hypocritical double standard that the DEA, the courts, the cops and the pharmaceutical industry perpetuate that lead to so much of the binary thinking on this matter; the "good people vs. bad people" thing. I see it in this thread.

This War On Drugs has been going on my entire life and we are losing badly. And, worse, STUPIDLY. Because we are fighting the wrong enemy; one built of strawmen along socio economic and racial battle lines. Our entire nation's attitude and approach to drug usage is arcane, draconian, punative, divisive, ignorant and stigmatic.

That shit with the doc's name on the bottle is more dangerous than what i twist up in a paper. But one makes me somehow unemployable.

Agreed and good post.

violetcrush said:

PennyPurple said:

I guess if you'd read and participated in the previous death threads then you would know the story.

Sorry, but it is quite impossible to hit every thread on this site - it would require more than 24/7 of my time....

If you use the Google search and type in Crystal Zehatner (sp?) it will bring up her name...She worked at PP as the business manager and said people knew for years Prince was using and he had other people get drugs for him. There is also a link to an article in the Star Tribune where it mentions this.

PennyPurple said:

violetcrush said:

Sorry, but it is quite impossible to hit every thread on this site - it would require more than 24/7 of my time....

Well, you hop in late on a thread that has 10 parts and say the same things that we all have been saying all along, and act like you are the first to come up with it.

How can you keep commenting on a topic when you haven't heard all the interviews and it has 10 parts. Not only has it wasted your time it's wasted our time by trying to explain everything again.

And you in turn repeated my comments in this thread regarding the incidents that Mayte had described in her more recent interviews. It is inevitable that certain thoughts, points, etc. will be repeated or re-stated, and I guarantee that other posters contributing to this part #10 have not seen or contributed to all thread #s 1-9. I stand by my comments/responses, and think I've had some valid thoughts/points as they pertain to this discussion. Other posters have validated that as well. I don't need to memorize every detail of the investigative document in order to take part in the discussion. Again, unless you can confirm that Crystal was in fact present and spent time with Prince during the 1980's I would say her comment of "Prince had been taking drugs for years" does not hold much weight.

PennyPurple said:

herb4 said:

TrevorAyer said:

herb4 said:

I'm not sure who you're addressing or even what your point is, really, but, suffice it to say, when a band like Guns N Fucking Roses has to bounce a dude, it's safe to assume that person was way off the rails. Not showing up for sessions and shit. Missing gigs, etc...There are degrees to this stuff. If you are as educated about tehse things as you seem to think, you'd know that. Did Prince dabble from time to time? Probably. You want a look into the dark side, read Nikki Sixx's book or something like The Basketball Diaries. Even George Clinton's book.

Name ONE prominent, serious drug abuser of Hard Shit that lasted 40+ years like Prince did that ALSO had his level of prolific output. Someone might say Keith Richards but that guy not only had the stamina of an ox and a great supporting cast of musicians who carried the band when he couldn't work, he came out the other end looking like a beaten catcher's mitt and a walking corpse. The few you might be able to name that DID last were usually part of a seriously talented band to start with, not a one man enterprise like Prince was.

There's is no fucking way in the world that Prince regularly used coke, speed, junk, meth or any of the things you seem to want us all to wake up to and realize and attribute to him just because you say so. I doubt he even really smoked weed that much. If Prince were leaning on hard stuff to speed him up and keep him going, he would have MISSED more gigs, album releases and sessions then he did. You don't just snort cocaine and turn into the fucking hulk. You do it for two days then pay the piper on the back end an flake out constantly.



A regular, normal dosage of prescription pain medications would have allowed Prince to function perfectly fine for a very long time. Sorry if these facts shatter whatever reality you've built up in your head about musicians and flies in the face of anecdotal evidence you've experienced to the contrary, but your "know it all" attitude about the matter is a bit grating and a tad pompous. There's no evidence or reason that PRince ever had a problem with much of anything beyond opiods.



Where the arrests? The hospital vistis? The missed shows? The people talking shit out of school?

[Edited 6/17/18 13:52pm]

Was addressing the asertion that prince fell out with morris over drugs but was himself clean ... citing examples to the contrary ... have read several books u mention.... bowie petty most of the list that have recently died ... i worry about the guys in janes addiction ... i hope robert smith is clean ... I don’t want to loose him .. i think he dabbled and had dicipline ... i heard courntney love (not a fan) called perry farrel in hopes of some insight on his usage without full blown addiction ... dave navarro the chilli peppers all still struggle ... kurt cobain had a problem ... I wouldn’t be surprised if the rev dabbled and prince strict policy had more to do wim HIM NOT GETTING CAUGHT from others lack of carefulness about usage

OMG...you may have hit the nail on the head with this one. PP was a party palace at one time;with a tolerant attitude towards drugs from the top...it would have been target-rich for mega busts....he nipped the possibility of being outed for his drug use in the bud!!!And he ran that narrative for decades...and all the time I believe he was self- medicating himself.

TrevorAyer said:

herb4 said:

I'm not sure who you're addressing or even what your point is, really, but, suffice it to say, when a band like Guns N Fucking Roses has to bounce a dude, it's safe to assume that person was way off the rails. Not showing up for sessions and shit. Missing gigs, etc...There are degrees to this stuff. If you are as educated about tehse things as you seem to think, you'd know that. Did Prince dabble from time to time? Probably. You want a look into the dark side, read Nikki Sixx's book or something like The Basketball Diaries. Even George Clinton's book.

Name ONE prominent, serious drug abuser of Hard Shit that lasted 40+ years like Prince did that ALSO had his level of prolific output. Someone might say Keith Richards but that guy not only had the stamina of an ox and a great supporting cast of musicians who carried the band when he couldn't work, he came out the other end looking like a beaten catcher's mitt and a walking corpse. The few you might be able to name that DID last were usually part of a seriously talented band to start with, not a one man enterprise like Prince was.

There's is no fucking way in the world that Prince regularly used coke, speed, junk, meth or any of the things you seem to want us all to wake up to and realize and attribute to him just because you say so. I doubt he even really smoked weed that much. If Prince were leaning on hard stuff to speed him up and keep him going, he would have MISSED more gigs, album releases and sessions then he did. You don't just snort cocaine and turn into the fucking hulk. You do it for two days then pay the piper on the back end an flake out constantly.



A regular, normal dosage of prescription pain medications would have allowed Prince to function perfectly fine for a very long time. Sorry if these facts shatter whatever reality you've built up in your head about musicians and flies in the face of anecdotal evidence you've experienced to the contrary, but your "know it all" attitude about the matter is a bit grating and a tad pompous. There's no evidence or reason that PRince ever had a problem with much of anything beyond opiods.



Where the arrests? The hospital vistis? The missed shows? The people talking shit out of school?

[Edited 6/17/18 13:52pm]

Was addressing the asertion that prince fell out with morris over drugs but was himself clean ... citing examples to the contrary ... have read several books u mention.... bowie petty most of the list that have recently died ... i worry about the guys in janes addiction ... i hope robert smith is clean ... I don’t want to loose him .. i think he dabbled and had dicipline ... i heard courntney love (not a fan) called perry farrel in hopes of some insight on his usage without full blown addiction ... dave navarro the chilli peppers all still struggle ... kurt cobain had a problem ... I wouldn’t be surprised if the rev dabbled and prince strict policy had more to do wim HIM NOT GETTING CAUGHT from others lack of carefulness about usage

Herb4 100% to all of your statements.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

TrevorAyer said:

herb4 said: Was addressing the asertion that prince fell out with morris over drugs but was himself clean ... citing examples to the contrary ... have read several books u mention.... bowie petty most of the list that have recently died ... i worry about the guys in janes addiction ... i hope robert smith is clean ... I don’t want to loose him .. i think he dabbled and had dicipline ... i heard courntney love (not a fan) called perry farrel in hopes of some insight on his usage without full blown addiction ... dave navarro the chilli peppers all still struggle ... kurt cobain had a problem ... I wouldn’t be surprised if the rev dabbled and prince strict policy had more to do wim HIM NOT GETTING CAUGHT from others lack of carefulness about usage

OMG...you may have hit the nail on the head with this one. PP was a party palace at one time;with a tolerant attitude towards drugs from the top...it would have been target-rich for mega busts....he nipped the possibility of being outed for his drug use in the bud!!!And he ran that narrative for decades...and all the time I believe he was self- medicating himself.

Wow Bodhi - your comment sounds like a tabloid headline. PP a party palace??? I've heard and read statements to the contrary from many employees and associates. I believe he didn't even allow cigarette smoking anywhere inside PP.

violetcrush said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

OMG...you may have hit the nail on the head with this one. PP was a party palace at one time;with a tolerant attitude towards drugs from the top...it would have been target-rich for mega busts....he nipped the possibility of being outed for his drug use in the bud!!!And he ran that narrative for decades...and all the time I believe he was self- medicating himself.

Wow Bodhi - your comment sounds like a tabloid headline. PP a party palace??? I've heard and read statements to the contrary from many employees and associates. I believe he didn't even allow cigarette smoking anywhere inside PP.

There is even the recent article about the musician (can't remember his name off the top of my head, but I think it's a recent thread on this site) who has stated he turned down the opportunity to work with Prince at PP, because he knew he would not be able to smoke his cigarettes in the recording studio....

violetcrush said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

OMG...you may have hit the nail on the head with this one. PP was a party palace at one time;with a tolerant attitude towards drugs from the top...it would have been target-rich for mega busts....he nipped the possibility of being outed for his drug use in the bud!!!And he ran that narrative for decades...and all the time I believe he was self- medicating himself.

Wow Bodhi - your comment sounds like a tabloid headline. PP a party palace??? I've heard and read statements to the contrary from many employees and associates. I believe he didn't even allow cigarette smoking anywhere inside PP.

Again, why do you believe the ASSociates that are saying P didn't do drugs, but don't believe the ones who say he did do them, and all the other ASSociates knew it?

You are living in denial.

And yes, most of us have been on all 10 parts of this topic, and have discussed it at length. You jumping in now is like you are coming late to a gunfight.

Listen to the tapes, read the documents, do your research on the other 9 threads, then get back to us.

ladygirl99 said:

Lovejunky said:

Your talking about stuff that happened over 30 years ago

He probably did a lot of stuff then that he no longer did as he matured.

What does it matter ?

Prince was entitled to live his life the way he wanted to

and at the end of the day he

ACHIEVED MORE than any of us here.

That he died from an accidental opiate overdose, is directly related to how much he

was willing to endure in order to keep on giving.

From heresay and conjecture You are all trying to project a charicature

that resembles some drug up effed up self serving selfish wanna be

"Rock Star"

Says a lot about you.

I wasnt shocked by his opiate addiction.

I knew straight away that he had to have been in a LOT of pain

and my heart broke .

He never complained, he just carried on, supporting people

mentoring people

creating ,making people laugh

connecting with God as he gave his heart and Soul

right up until his very last Atlanta show....

Thats the Prince I see..

The grown mature and evolved 57 years of being.

He may have been named Prince at Birth

but he became one at the end

Due to the Noble way he behaved..

He wasnt stuck in the past.

Why are you ?

That is not the point. The point is that people need to be more objective when it comes to celebrities. There is a reason why fan short for fanatic and even Prince hated the word fan. Even Prince told people to worship higher power not him as he might had hinted people shouldn't worship him due to his flaws he had. Prince wasn't a bad person for hiding his drug abuse from a lot of people and I will never going to change how I feel about him. I will take Jill and Wendy's word over fans who had their fantasies of what they want PRince to be rather than what he was.

And what are you talking about dude of being stuck in the past? According to your logic we should just stop talking about anything that regards to Prince from this day forward because you know Prince is now the past no longer present physically. And why are you on this thread if you don't like people discussing Prince as a human since this is a non-music thread?

EXACTLY:

BEING OBJECTIVE...

You would rather take the word of pople like Jill and WEndy who hadnt been around him for YEARS

then that of people Like SHelby J,Josh and Hannah, Mono Neon , or Adrian Crutchfield fpr example who worked with him during his last years and KNEW WHAT KIND of a man he had become.

Go and listen to what they have to say instead of forming opinions

based on ancient history.

BEING OBJECTIVE means looking at the whole picture, not being stuck on

what may or may not have gone down when he was a Young Man,

ladygirl99 said:

PennyPurple said:

violetcrush said:

Wow Bodhi - your comment sounds like a tabloid headline. PP a party palace??? I've heard and read statements to the contrary from many employees and associates. I believe he didn't even allow cigarette smoking anywhere inside PP.

Again, why do you believe the ASSociates that are saying P didn't do drugs, but don't believe the ones who say he did do them, and all the other ASSociates knew it?

You are living in denial.

And yes, most of us have been on all 10 parts of this topic, and have discussed it at length. You jumping in now is like you are coming late to a gunfight.

Listen to the tapes, read the documents, do your research on the other 9 threads, then get back to us.

Thank you, Penny, for handling this.

PennyPurple said:

violetcrush said:

Wow Bodhi - your comment sounds like a tabloid headline. PP a party palace??? I've heard and read statements to the contrary from many employees and associates. I believe he didn't even allow cigarette smoking anywhere inside PP.

Again, why do you believe the ASSociates that are saying P didn't do drugs, but don't believe the ones who say he did do them, and all the other ASSociates knew it?

You are living in denial.

And yes, most of us have been on all 10 parts of this topic, and have discussed it at length. You jumping in now is like you are coming late to a gunfight.

Listen to the tapes, read the documents, do your research on the other 9 threads, then get back to us.

I read the documents, and I don't need to go back to the other 9 threads, as they are no doubt similar to this one. Whether Prince did or did not do any type of drug in the 80's, 90's, or even early 2000's really does not matter, which is why the investigators were not focusing on that information, or trying to dig up his past. What matters is the pattern of his behavior in the last 1-2 years of his life, and the evidence found at PP. Whatever he may or may not have done in the way of drugs 20-30 yrs ago in no way contributed to his death on April 21st, 2016. As many posters have also said, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT HE DID OR DIDN'T DO 20-30 YRS AGO. What matters is what took his life in 2016, which they have determined to be an overdose of Fentanyl.

peggyon said:

PennyPurple said:

Again, why do you believe the ASSociates that are saying P didn't do drugs, but don't believe the ones who say he did do them, and all the other ASSociates knew it?

You are living in denial.

And yes, most of us have been on all 10 parts of this topic, and have discussed it at length. You jumping in now is like you are coming late to a gunfight.

Listen to the tapes, read the documents, do your research on the other 9 threads, then get back to us.

Thank you, Penny, for handling this.

Oh, okay. Yes, this comment really "handled" the matter. Please....

violetcrush said:

PennyPurple said:

Again, why do you believe the ASSociates that are saying P didn't do drugs, but don't believe the ones who say he did do them, and all the other ASSociates knew it?

You are living in denial.

And yes, most of us have been on all 10 parts of this topic, and have discussed it at length. You jumping in now is like you are coming late to a gunfight.

Listen to the tapes, read the documents, do your research on the other 9 threads, then get back to us.

I read the documents, and I don't need to go back to the other 9 threads, as they are no doubt similar to this one. Whether Prince did or did not do any type of drug in the 80's, 90's, or even early 2000's really does not matter, which is why the investigators were not focusing on that information, or trying to dig up his past. What matters is the pattern of his behavior in the last 1-2 years of his life, and the evidence found at PP. Whatever he may or may not have done in the way of drugs 20-30 yrs ago in no way contributed to his death on April 21st, 2016. As many posters have also said, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT HE DID OR DIDN'T DO 20-30 YRS AGO. What matters is what took his life in 2016, which they have determined to be an overdose of Fentanyl.

violetcrush said:

TrevorAyer said:

Susan set up the console and often left prince alone for hours or even overnight .. she didn’t know shit what he did ... p often burned thru engineers who would take turns in shifts .. they didn’t know shit ... vanity and morris were both coked up during pr .. 2 of p closest buds ... i think he was very good at discression and likely naive to the lack of stigma if it came in pill form from a doctor ... in fact it is quite common for a record company to have all sorts of legal and illegal suppliers around to keep these bands on the road and performing at high energy

TrevorAyer - here is the link to a current thread for a YT video of Susan Rogers discussing "a day in the life" working as Prince's Engineer. Spoken proof that she did not just set up the console and leave.....

*

Video: SUSAN ROGERS on Recording with PRINCE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTK1FD4206Q&app=desktop

Lovejunky said:

violetcrush said:

I read the documents, and I don't need to go back to the other 9 threads, as they are no doubt similar to this one. Whether Prince did or did not do any type of drug in the 80's, 90's, or even early 2000's really does not matter, which is why the investigators were not focusing on that information, or trying to dig up his past. What matters is the pattern of his behavior in the last 1-2 years of his life, and the evidence found at PP. Whatever he may or may not have done in the way of drugs 20-30 yrs ago in no way contributed to his death on April 21st, 2016. As many posters have also said, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT HE DID OR DIDN'T DO 20-30 YRS AGO. What matters is what took his life in 2016, which they have determined to be an overdose of Fentanyl.

I disagree. Multi-decade use of drugs would give great insight into how he controlled and manipulated his image, employees, friends, lovers, business associates, media, family and fans. And the picture of how and why he was allowed to die from"neglect" as one insider noted would give us insight into how Prince was really wired up, how his genius blossomed and was maintained and why, ultimately, many of his fans are still incredulous at his loss and need the comfort of closure. There's nothing wrong with longing for a truth that can ease your sorrow...and the ME's sterile one page did not do that.

violetcrush said:

violetcrush said:

TrevorAyer - here is the link to a current thread for a YT video of Susan Rogers discussing "a day in the life" working as Prince's Engineer. Spoken proof that she did not just set up the console and leave.....

*

Video: SUSAN ROGERS on Recording with PRINCE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTK1FD4206Q&app=desktop

Also - the original verse for Prince's Old Friends 4 Sale which speaks to his feelings on drugs at that time:

*

The sun set in my heart this afternoon
4 2 friends of mine got stuck in the snow
In Uptown when winter's alarmin', oh
Cocaine becomes charmin'
But U talk about things U don't know 'bout
I know, no matter how pleasant your past was
Green and white return 2 blue
U're happy as long as your last buzz
And then U think U want something new, yeah

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Lovejunky said:

I disagree. Multi-decade use of drugs would give great insight into how he controlled and manipulated his image, employees, friends, lovers, business associates, media, family and fans. And the picture of how and why he was allowed to die from"neglect" as one insider noted would give us insight into how Prince was really wired up, how his genius blossomed and was maintained and why, ultimately, many of his fans are still incredulous at his loss and need the comfort of closure. There's nothing wrong with longing for a truth that can ease your sorrow...and the ME's sterile one page did not do that.

But clearly those fans who continue to keep trying to dig for information (that may not be accurate anyway) from 20-30 years ago will never come to any closure. Regarding the man that he was and the life that he lead - it has been covered by many reputable and detailed Biographies going back to the late 1980's, including interviews and statements by the people who knew him best at those times. Not to mention, Prince himself offering us his life and viewpoints within his songs. Additionally, if his Memoir does come out this Fall as they have said, we will hopefully gain even more insight into his mind and life - assuming it is not too cryptic.

violetcrush said:

PennyPurple said:

Again, why do you believe the ASSociates that are saying P didn't do drugs, but don't believe the ones who say he did do them, and all the other ASSociates knew it?

You are living in denial.

And yes, most of us have been on all 10 parts of this topic, and have discussed it at length. You jumping in now is like you are coming late to a gunfight.

Listen to the tapes, read the documents, do your research on the other 9 threads, then get back to us.

I read the documents, and I don't need to go back to the other 9 threads, as they are no doubt similar to this one. Whether Prince did or did not do any type of drug in the 80's, 90's, or even early 2000's really does not matter, which is why the investigators were not focusing on that information, or trying to dig up his past. What matters is the pattern of his behavior in the last 1-2 years of his life, and the evidence found at PP. Whatever he may or may not have done in the way of drugs 20-30 yrs ago in no way contributed to his death on April 21st, 2016. As many posters have also said, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT HE DID OR DIDN'T DO 20-30 YRS AGO. What matters is what took his life in 2016, which they have determined to be an overdose of Fentanyl.

You're late to the party. We know what the cause of death was. Please see Part 1.

PennyPurple said:

violetcrush said:

I read the documents, and I don't need to go back to the other 9 threads, as they are no doubt similar to this one. Whether Prince did or did not do any type of drug in the 80's, 90's, or even early 2000's really does not matter, which is why the investigators were not focusing on that information, or trying to dig up his past. What matters is the pattern of his behavior in the last 1-2 years of his life, and the evidence found at PP. Whatever he may or may not have done in the way of drugs 20-30 yrs ago in no way contributed to his death on April 21st, 2016. As many posters have also said, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT HE DID OR DIDN'T DO 20-30 YRS AGO. What matters is what took his life in 2016, which they have determined to be an overdose of Fentanyl.

You're late to the party. We know what the cause of death was. Please see Part 1.

Nope, not late to the party in the least, just reiterating the facts to support my response. Penny, I have no doubt that you are one of those fans who will never have closure.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

I disagree. Multi-decade use of drugs would give great insight into how he controlled and manipulated his image, employees, friends, lovers, business associates, media, family and fans. And the picture of how and why he was allowed to die from"neglect" as one insider noted would give us insight into how Prince was really wired up, how his genius blossomed and was maintained and why, ultimately, many of his fans are still incredulous at his loss and need the comfort of closure. There's nothing wrong with longing for a truth that can ease your sorrow...and the ME's sterile one page did not do that.

People think it was just a 1 off deal.

He dabbled in drugs on and off probably since the beginning of getting into the business.

Contrary to some peoples popular belief that the past 30 years of dabbling in drugs didn't mean anything, yes it does...it shows us alot.

Why aren't people listening to the ones who told us that he had a drug problem and everybody knew it, including the ones now saying he didn't have a problem?

Lovejunky said:

ladygirl99 said:

Just because people are not coming forward with illicit drug stories that don't mean it didn't happen.

Lots of people, from the interviews I read, are not revealing nitty-gritty stuff about Prince and his likely wild days to protect his privacy and legacy. In those files some of the associates already contradicted themselves (like Sheila, etc) saying one thing to media interviews and another to the cops.

Fans need to slow down as far as thinking they certain Prince wouldn't do this but never was part of his camp. If nearly all of us fans were fooled and shocked by Prince's opiates addiction what other info he fooled the fans? I know Jill Jones said on her Facebook page a year ago that Prince constantly fooled and fibbed to his fans all the time and Wendy said in interviews not that long ago that fans would be disappointed if they knew the real Prince. I always felt Wendy is holding back big time in some of the interviews I read on her and you know she is vocal to protect his legacy and not receive backlash if shes spills. Celebrities lived one way to the fans and lived another privately and Prince was no exceptional.

Your talking about stuff that happened over 30 years ago

He probably did a lot of stuff then that he no longer did as he matured.

What does it matter ?

Prince was entitled to live his life the way he wanted to

and at the end of the day he

ACHIEVED MORE than any of us here.

That he died from an accidental opiate overdose, is directly related to how much he

was willing to endure in order to keep on giving.

From heresay and conjecture You are all trying to project a charicature

that resembles some drug up effed up self serving selfish wanna be

"Rock Star"

Says a lot about you.

I wasnt shocked by his opiate addiction.

I knew straight away that he had to have been in a LOT of pain

and my heart broke .

He never complained, he just carried on, supporting people

mentoring people

creating ,making people laugh

connecting with God as he gave his heart and Soul

right up until his very last Atlanta show....

Thats the Prince I see..

The grown mature and evolved 57 years of being.

He may have been named Prince at Birth

but he became one at the end

Due to the Noble way he behaved..

He wasnt stuck in the past.

Why are you ?

just beautiful lovejunky beatiful.

violetcrush said:

violetcrush said:

TrevorAyer - here is the link to a current thread for a YT video of Susan Rogers discussing "a day in the life" working as Prince's Engineer. Spoken proof that she did not just set up the console and leave.....

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Video: SUSAN ROGERS on Recording with PRINCE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTK1FD4206Q&app=desktop

Also - the original verse for Prince's Old Friends 4 Sale which speaks to his feelings on drugs at that time:

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The sun set in my heart this afternoon
4 2 friends of mine got stuck in the snow
In Uptown when winter's alarmin', oh
Cocaine becomes charmin'
But U talk about things U don't know 'bout
I know, no matter how pleasant your past was
Green and white return 2 blue
U're happy as long as your last buzz
And then U think U want something new, yeah

What Prince wrote and sang, doesn't always jive with his actions.

ladygirl99 said:

And what are you talking about dude of being stuck in the past? According to your logic we should just stop talking about anything that regards to Prince from this day forward because you know Prince is now the past no longer present physically. And why are you on this thread if you don't like people discussing Prince as a human since this is a non-music thread?

one thing i thought sounded very askew in the report and that was Judith Hill's quoting Prince as talking a lot about "the good old days" that really rang a bell with me because Prince, from his every indication, did not looking back, even for the triumphs, he liked to push forward, always, ever onward. So that sounded to me like something is wrong right there. I remember when he said he didn't even play his past albums, now, I don't know if that's true or not because he could say alot of things, but I absolutely wouldn't be surprised if it was true because he was such a force of nature, he gave no time to his triumphs or failures, just always onward to the next thing. so, that talk about the good old days really sounds to me like he was at the end reminiscing over his life, which is how it turned out.