GrayDorian said:

rogifan said:

GrayDorian said:

Ok, I totally agree with your bolded remark.

However, I'd probably qualify that by stating that I've no idea how they are getting on with paying the massive, punitive tax bill that the estate has been facing.

If they are under enormous financial pressure to raise funds, and say, for example, Paisley Park may come under threat, I could appreciate why they may feel the need to pursue a negligence case against a doctor and/or hospital.

Sure. But I hope whatever they might peruse is legit and not just looking for money.

Yup, agreed again. It's a given for me that the grievance would have to be completely genuine and not just a spurious attempt to raise cash out of desperation (or worse still greed).

bonatoc said:

GrayDorian said:

I remain of the opinion that, if there were indeed addiction issues, they were probably only developed latterly, in the face of whichever serious illness Prince was battling. I may be way wide of the mark with that assessment though.

I agree with the bolded, though admittedly I believe Tyka's account of Prince suffering from a terminal illness. However, I also admit to finding the move to access the autopsy report doesn't quite seem to tally up with that...well, unless you need such documents to proceed with a case of medical negligence.

Medical negligence would be a heart breaker for me. It's already more than miserable, as things stand. I'm broken enough, mulling over the likelihood that Prince possibly had to suffer three long years of something horrific like pancreatic cancer. Think about how much he gave to us over those 3 years through new music and also in concert, whilst probably having to endure such pain.

As for 'foul play', I think that would be beyond devastating for many of us, in the unlikely event it should turn out to be the case. I know there are some pretty odd things and lots of confusion about Prince's passing, but I genuinely very seriously doubt any foul play (I can't even begin to imagine who would want to hurt Prince or why).

If anyone is troubled by 'foul play', perhaps listening to some of the lyrics on Art Official Age may give them some comfort and put their mind at ease that Prince was already preparing for his passing.

Prince, as a man of faith, singing a song like Way Back Home (as you are probably aware, believers oft refer to heaven as home) seems to me at least to be pretty telling. I'm only too aware that I'm a bit of a fantasist/daydreamer, but a song like 'June' off HnR1 really feels like goodbye to me too.

Reflecting on a song such as Way Back Home, where Prince courageously lays himself open to us, I am remembering that somebody on one of these threads recently implied that somehow Prince's supposedly massive ego would have prevented him from getting help for his alleged addiction issues.

Once again that only makes me reflect how differently many of us seem to see Prince.

I have a very hard time envisaging Prince’s ego affecting his judgement, if it came to the need to address a purported addiction. For sure, I think Prince had a big ego back in the early eighties, when I first started following him, but he seems to me to have grown a great deal as a man over those 3 and a half decades.

I think that Prince was a far more loving, wiser, kinder, gentler, forgiving soul with much more humility than some folks realize. I don’t for one second believe that someone with a massive ego would write, never mind publicly release on an album for all to hear songs with the vulnerability, and openness of ‘The Breakdown’ and ‘Way Back Home’.

I think it takes a lot for any man to open up and expose himself like that, and I love Prince all the more for it. These songs reveal (to my mind at least) a remarkably brave man who is free from vanity, not a weak, indecisive or egotistical man at all.

Anyway, many of us seem to have many different thoughts on this, and I'm probably not saying anything new. I'd better sign off for now, as I'm on the ramble yet again. Sorry about that, if anyone is still reading.

Uh-oh!

I'm certainly not trying to be provocative. I'm just sharing my thoughts with the 'fam-ily', but I fully and freely admit there may very little substance to these thoughts, if indeed any at all.

I'm going with my gut feeling on Tyka and trusting her, but I fully confess that I've never even met the woman, and don't know her from Eve.

I don't believe there was 'foul play' involved in Prince's passing, but I have to accept that there seem to some incongruities, so I can appreciate why others may be more skeptical. A larger part of me also acknowledges that I don't want to believe there was any 'foul play'. Heck, I don't even want to believe there was any medical negligence, if I am being honest with myself. Maybe I am in denial a bit about all of this, I suppose.

My interpretation of Prince's song lyrics is just how they come across to me personally, and I am only too aware that I may be misapprehending them completely.

And how I see Prince as a man and his character is again purely just from a very subjective, personal perspective. Alas I never had the chance to share any time with Prince personally or get to know him (well, except perhaps through his music), so my understanding of him may well be somewhat skewed and very poor indeed. It wouldn't surprise me.

I also acknowledge that I've absolutely no insight into Prince's state of mind or health whatsoever, and I certainly have no idea whether he has been battling painkiller addiction over all these years.

But I am definitely struggling to get past my impressions from those concerts in 2014, and how they don't marry up with the media image of a man physically crippled by hip/joint pain. I'm not saying for a second that I am right about it, but I am just sharing with y'all that it doesn't really make much sense to me.

On the odd occasion when my worse knee has gone completely, I have taken 3 different kinds of painkiller (one of which is not legal in any state, I think, though again I may be mistaken about that), and that allays the pain to a larger extent for sure, but I'm hardly up and about dancing my ass off for 2 and a half hours on consecutive nights. I mean how effective are these painkillers Prince was supposedly popping?

Ok, so let's suppose they do an unbelievably efficient job of killing the pain, surely they can't actually repair the damaged hip/knee/whatever. That body part is still gonna be injured and not function properly, right? His movement would still be impaired considerably, right? Am I being really dumb here and missing something obvious (I mean asides from the obvious lack of a few billion brain cells)?

Anyway, I'm sorry if I am inadvertently offending or annoying folks expressing my thoughts. Feel free to take issue with them, as there is a pretty high probability that I am simply spouting utter drivel. For now, I think maybe it's time for me to give y'all a break, take a vacation from the org, and for a while. That's the good news. The bad news is, like Arnie, I'll be back.

[Edited 3/22/18 11:41am]

You are not offending me. I am on the side that believes he left on his own terms; yes, a deliberate overdose. I also believe he had at least one medical condition which could not be cured. I do not have facts to prove my beliefs, but I long ago stopped believing in coincidences. There are too many pieces of this puzzle which don't fit.

muleFunk said:

nelcp777 said:

I do not think he was murdered. My opinion is that it was an accidental overdose. Prince moves from LA to PP in what, 2009? Around the same time he has the hip surgery from people talking here. It is also around the time (I could be wrong) the article is released about him popping percocets. I say this only to show that Prince may have elected the surgery to reduce his pain.

There is a period when Prince goes "underground" and is laying low, perhaps when he had the surgery.

Prince looks healthy till what, 2014/2015. He has lost weight and his makeup is rather thick, reminds me of the Lovesexy period. We see heavily photoshopped pictures.

I agree with Clover, someone in the camp was leaking information. Prince did not need a lot of security when he was at PP. This is evident on his bike rides. The tabloids did not hound him like in the past. I think security cameras were for PP property and grounds. I believe the doors to PP were pretty much locked. My reasoning is the photography said that Prince had to let him in (while Prince was still in his PJs and told him not to expect this to happen again, although it did).

The death threats are interesting. I wonder if anything was done or reported on this.Kirk was pretty much Prince's non-stop security detail.

Moline is a mystery. Disch said something that was interesting. What if, what if, Prince took a pill, thinking it was percocet (hence, Kirk's speculation), and it was a pill from the same batch that killed him. If Kirk wanted him dead (which I do not believe), then that was the best time. Kirk made the plane land to help Prince. I also do not think Kirk was the leak.I am not a Kirk fan, so for me to say this open minded.

We also seen the photo of Prince and the Escalade outside Walgreens. The Escalade is similiar to Kirk's, which tells me Kirk was taking care of Prince. Oddly, no scripts (not that was in the warrant) were from Walgreens.

I think Kirk was on his cell calling Tyka and family. Same with Meron. I think the leak is someone else from the camp. I do not know who.

If you google images from April 21, 2016 for PP, you will see photos of Kirk and Tyka outside PP. That tells me that Kirk contacted Tyka and there is nothing wrong with that. The only thing that I thought was odd was Kirk's clothes. He was supposed to meet Prince with Andrew, but maybe Kirk dressed that way during non-business outings"? I had always heard Prince did not let people dress down, but Prince had loosen the reins a little over time.

I think it is simply an accidental overdose. Prince in the past, had legit scripts due to his pain. He had surgery, got more scripts to deal with the pain. All viable reasons. At some point, the scripts got hard to beat. He started controlling the pills, that is why we see in the warrants half pills. Pains meds become harder to get, so Prince gets cut off. He goes bootleg on the pills.

The bootleg pills are not made in a controlled lab like prescription meds. It is a gamble. He took a percocet imitation, perhaps it had too much fentanyl or mixture, then there is the emergency landing. Prince tries to quit with out medical assistance. At this point, legit percocet is mixed with illegtimiate percocet, a recipe for disaster.

As much a control freak and how much pride Prince had, there is no way, in my opinion, that he would say f*** it, take lethal OD to be found in an elevator. He would not want to be remembered as a"drugged out rock star".

I think the family and camp has not said anything cause that is how Prince was. The OD does not portray Prince in any negative light. It only shows him as a real human and that he had some faults, just like the rest of us.

All this is either my opinion and/or speculation. I am not privy to any inside information. It is a tragedy and shock. To this day, I am still perplexed that Prince has passed.

Sorry to ramble.

You didn't ramble it was easy to follow.

Have to disagree with you on the half pill issue. My grandmother would break pills in half because she thought the whole pills were too much. Much more common than you think and she was not addicted.

Prince didn't have counterfeit Percocet. He had fake Vicodin tablets.

He had meds in Kirk's name. That's it. No other prescriptions in other's names around.

On the contrary Micheal Jackson had multiple prescriptions in different names at the time of his death.

Now Prince didn't have any prescriptions in his name in the country at the time of his death. Following your theory which is now the narrative for his death wouldn't there be other prescriptions for him because of this ballooning addiction?

If he was taking the fake prescription route shouldn't we see his drug of choice there... Percocet? There were no prescriptions there for Viocdin.

Thanks for the support.Your perspective on the half pills was interesting. I did not consider that. Thanks.

I apologize for the confusion on the percocet and vicodin. Even after the 2 years, this is confusing. Maybe Kirk did not know Prince had fake vicodin and that is why he said percocet?

Prince did not have scripts in the US for the past what, year? So that means, to me, he was cut off and getting relieve from other sources to mitigate his pain. He could of still had Kirk procure scripts in the past as well.

You had very valid points and I will have to contemplate them. Thanks again for your thoughts

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

Mulefunk's book, specifically chapter 3, lays out the entire case for murder. "The man", Wb and Prince", sums it all up.

Is Mulefunk's book out? And if it is where we can we find it? Also, mulefunk has said that according to close family members Prince had leukemia....

muleFunk said that family members believed it was a terminal illness.

I have also said that there are those in his circle that believed that the hip problem was degenearative which was speculated as Acute Myeloid Leukemia. If you look at the last couple of months of his life he had several symptoms similar to this .

https://www.webmd.com/cancer/lymphoma/acute-myeloid-leukemia-complications#1

purplerabbithole said:

A new theory occurred to me. in 2009, I beleive his hip problems were apparent on stage. He was thin and not moving around much and relying entirely on guitar playing. I think he got surgery and was doing well until 2015. Around time his P and M tour started, his other hip started giving out due to the strain he placed on it prancing around the stage in the last 3 years or so since the Welcome to America tour started but he wanted to finish what he was doing with the P and M tour and didnt want to take the time off to get it operated on--so he just popped pills. Another possible theory is that he no longer had hip problems but for some reason or another started taking pain pills for other reasons or was suffering from liver failure due to the previous years of pill usage. In other words, I don't think between 2011 and early 2015, his hips were debilitating. Something was wrong at the end because his physical energy did seem to disapate a bit and he lost weight. The poisoning theory seems odd because his weight loss indicates being sick for a while. Why poison him slow?==what would be the point?

GrayDorian said:

May I ask whether you too are as equally convinced that the media portrayal of Prince as having a long term addiction over many years to painkillers is correct and accurate?

I ask because I still have a hard time buying the long term painkiller addiction scenario due to hip/joint pain.

I realize that it seems to be pretty much accepted as hard fact here and I’m not disputing that Prince had surgery, but I just can’t get past having seen Prince live in 2014 on three occasions in a few days, and being impressed by his remarkable energy, dancing about the stage and able to keep the party going for the best part of 2 and a half hours, whilst in his mid-fifties. I haven’t had that sort of energy and fitness, since my early thirties, if ever in fact.

It's pretty hard to get past the evidence of your own eyes, when you are leaving the concert under the impression, ‘wow, Prince still has plenty of get up and go’, especially for a man in his fifties. That sort of vibrancy at aged 55 fairly puts me to shame, that’s for sure. After all, these spritely performances were less than 2 years prior to his sad passing.

I seriously doubt even the fittest of my friends could dance about like that over such a lengthy period, and on 2 consecutive nights too. And yet with these performances in mind, somehow I am to believe that our hero, so badly crippled by hip/joint pain that he had to resort to long term painkiller addiction, was able to perform this minor miracle over three nights? Ok, I can admit I think the sun shines out of Prince’s ass, but even I'm having difficulty buying that.

It just doesn’t quite add up for me. Those performances strike such a stark contrast with one of my friends who has hip issues, as his mobility is massively impaired. It’s nigh impossible for me to visualize him dancing about like that. It looks like walking about slowly is a big enough struggle for him.

I’ve had knee issues for a few years now and, when I am dumb enough to dance about for 30 seconds, I invariably spend the rest of the week wishing I hadn’t.

I can’t help thinking that, if a big wuss like me can tough it out without becoming addicted to painkillers, a man as mentally tough as Prince (any of us who have been down the front few rows at his concerts can attest to the immense pressure he was able to withstand and perform brilliantly under) seems pretty unlikely to me to succumb to painkiller addiction (well, unless perhaps latterly he was left with no option, when battling very serious illness).

Having said that, I suppose a long term painkiller addiction due to hip/joint pain is of course still a possibility. And I am also wondering whether Prince would have been able to perform so well, and with such vigor, had he been suffering from something like first stage pancreatic cancer, so who knows?

Admittedly my memory is appalling, but frankly I have difficulty reconciling my memories of those lively, energetic performances with either chronic joint pain, or terminal illness, so it is all still very confusing to me.

[Edited 3/21/18 20:13pm]

i can see where this could be possible, although i have never seen where he was having trouble,

but if you think he was hiding it by using the guitar instead then i can see my way to your theories.

muleFunk said:

PennyPurple said:

Is Mulefunk's book out? And if it is where we can we find it? Also, mulefunk has said that according to close family members Prince had leukemia....

muleFunk said that family members believed it was a terminal illness.

I have also said that there are those in his circle that believed that the hip problem was degenearative which was speculated as Acute Myeloid Leukemia. If you look at the last couple of months of his life he had several symptoms similar to this .

https://www.webmd.com/cancer/lymphoma/acute-myeloid-leukemia-complications#1

Thanks, but why are you answering for Menes? Why are you saying "muleFunk said"............HMM!! Interesting. Menes told us about a chapter in mulefunks book, I've asked if it is out..still no answer. Is Mulefunk and Menes, one in the same?

Menes said:

Mulefunk's book, specifically chapter 3, lays out the entire case for murder. "The man", Wb and Prince", sums it all up.

???? So which is muleFunk? Murder or disease?

muleFunk said:

PennyPurple said:

Is Mulefunk's book out? And if it is where we can we find it? Also, mulefunk has said that according to close family members Prince had leukemia....

muleFunk said that family members believed it was a terminal illness.

I have also said that there are those in his circle that believed that the hip problem was degenearative which was speculated as Acute Myeloid Leukemia. If you look at the last couple of months of his life he had several symptoms similar to this .

https://www.webmd.com/cancer/lymphoma/acute-myeloid-leukemia-complications#1

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

muleFunk said that family members believed it was a terminal illness.

I have also said that there are those in his circle that believed that the hip problem was degenearative which was speculated as Acute Myeloid Leukemia. If you look at the last couple of months of his life he had several symptoms similar to this .

https://www.webmd.com/cancer/lymphoma/acute-myeloid-leukemia-complications#1

maybe Mule gave Menes an autographed "mulefunk" first print copy???

purplefam99 said:

maybe Mule gave Menes an autographed "mulefunk" first print copy???

GrayDorian said:

morningsong said:

*moving*

*drums fingers*

[Edited 3/21/18 17:32pm]

This would almost seem to suggest to me that even his siblings are looking for, and indeed are now about to receive the answers as to Prince's state of health prior to his passing.

Moreover, the mention of determining possible claims makes me ponder that medical negligence may also perhaps be a possibility? Sigh.

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) - The siblings and their attorneys must keep the information confidential, or could be held in contempt of court, the agreement says. A judge hasn’t yet signed off on it, according to court records, but that’s typically a formality when both sides agree.

Hmm, presumably this confidentiality clause ensures any sensitive personal info about Prince's state of health will not enter the public domain, and thankfully Prince's privacy will be protected.

I think it may well turn out to be a blessing that Tyka is writing her book, as she will be able to put to bed some of our 'misconceptions' about Prince's passing. Whether some of my fellow orgers will believe her is another matter, I suppose.

It's going to be a long while before it trickles down to us. Well at least the family will have an answer or 2. It's weird to think all this time they had no clue on a lot of things themselves. Maybe that's why it's all quiet on the book fronts, because things have to be triple checked because of confidentiality.

I now wish I had read Tyka's other book, then I'd have some clue on her style, how she presents things. Seems she keeps journals, if I understand correctly from her interviews for the previous book, which I can appreciate.

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

muleFunk said that family members believed it was a terminal illness.

I have also said that there are those in his circle that believed that the hip problem was degenearative which was speculated as Acute Myeloid Leukemia. If you look at the last couple of months of his life he had several symptoms similar to this .

https://www.webmd.com/cancer/lymphoma/acute-myeloid-leukemia-complications#1

The book had a rough draft sent to the publisher.

Now the cause of death was Fentanyl overdose which was found in the bottles of Aleve and Bayer.

People have jumbled up and are nitpicking posts and not going back to the original discussions on WHAT WAS HAPPENING TO HIM IN THE MONTHS/YEARS PRIOR TO APRIL 21, 2016. The hip issue that never properly healed etc. That's where the discussions of his health come into play.

There are some that don't believe he was taking drugs and I'm not one of those people. He was in a pain management situation for at least 10 years before his death and if you search on this site they were mentioned here and ridiculed similar to what any discussion of a special cocktail of Fentanyl is now.

muleFunk said:

The book had a rough draft sent to the publisher.

Now the cause of death was Fentanyl overdose which was found in the bottles of Aleve and Bayer.

People have jumbled up and are nitpicking posts and not going back to the original discussions on WHAT WAS HAPPENING TO HIM IN THE MONTHS/YEARS PRIOR TO APRIL 21, 2016. The hip issue that never properly healed etc. That's where the discussions of his health come into play.

There are some that don't believe he was taking drugs and I'm not one of those people. He was in a pain management situation for at least 10 years before his death and if you search on this site they were mentioned here and ridiculed similar to what any discussion of a special cocktail of Fentanyl is now.

In your post above , the quote says that Menes said that. Menes didn't say that muleFunk did.


Menes said that in Chapter 3, muleFunk goes into detail about murder. What does the scenario that you posted above have to do with murder? And how do we know that his hip never healed up properly?

If your book is at the publisher, then how did mene's get to read chapter 3??

1Sasha said:

You are not offending me. I am on the side that believes he left on his own terms; yes, a deliberate overdose. I also believe he had at least one medical condition which could not be cured. I do not have facts to prove my beliefs, but I long ago stopped believing in coincidences. There are too many pieces of this puzzle which don't fit.

Sheesh, you ain't kidding about the bolded.

Thanks for replying. I’m glad I’m not being offensive and hopefully not too annoying (yet!).

I know, I’m supposed to be on vacation from the org!

I barely lasted 24 hours!

Oh no, I must be addicted! Quick, somebody call Apples (off with his head!).

So instead of lurking about here I popped on youtube, and up came a link for Judith Hill’s album promo…worth checking out, if you haven’t seen it.

Anyway, I digress (so what’s new). When you get towards the end, there is a skit of Judith shutting Prince out in the cold.

Lo and behold, our hero miraculously turns on a dime and runs back to the door.

I immediately can’t help but think to myself, ‘hold on a minute. I thought the media narrative’ (apparently very popular round these parts with my fellow diehards ) ‘is that Prince was a long term painkiller addict due to crippling hip/joint pain over many years’.

When I look at that footage, and I compare Prince’s ease of movement with one of my friends, who suffers from a hip problem and has very impaired mobility, it could scarcely form a more vivid, sharper contrast between their respective maneuverability.

Now I’m beginning to get even more skeptical than I already am (albeit admittedly only largely due to having seen Prince spritely performances in concert 3 times in 2014).

So anyway, there’s another link to click entitled ‘Morgan Neville on filming video for Judith Hill and Prince’. I hope the link below works.

https://www.youtube.com/w...5SO4b2g-EQ

In the audio Morgan says, referring to Prince, that, “as soon as there was even a momentary lull, he would turn and SPRINT away, and disappear again…in heels. This happened MANY TIMES. Like the first time I thought it was a joke but it happened over and over, and then Judith said, “Oh, that’s what he does”. Yeah so the whole thing was so strange”.

Yup, that just about sums it up nicely for me; the whole thing’s so strange.

Hey Morgan, seriously dude, didn’t you get the memo?! Prince was supposed to be a long term painkiller addict due to being crippled by hip n joint pain for all these years!

PennyPurple said:

muleFunk said:

The book had a rough draft sent to the publisher.

Now the cause of death was Fentanyl overdose which was found in the bottles of Aleve and Bayer.

People have jumbled up and are nitpicking posts and not going back to the original discussions on WHAT WAS HAPPENING TO HIM IN THE MONTHS/YEARS PRIOR TO APRIL 21, 2016. The hip issue that never properly healed etc. That's where the discussions of his health come into play.

There are some that don't believe he was taking drugs and I'm not one of those people. He was in a pain management situation for at least 10 years before his death and if you search on this site they were mentioned here and ridiculed similar to what any discussion of a special cocktail of Fentanyl is now.

In your post above , the quote says that Menes said that. Menes didn't say that muleFunk did.


Menes said that in Chapter 3, muleFunk goes into detail about murder. What does the scenario that you posted above have to do with murder? And how do we know that his hip never healed up properly?

If your book is at the publisher, then how did mene's get to read chapter 3??

please Mule, confusion is setting in here. can you clarify PennyPurple's question to you??

GrayDorian said:

1Sasha said:

You are not offending me. I am on the side that believes he left on his own terms; yes, a deliberate overdose. I also believe he had at least one medical condition which could not be cured. I do not have facts to prove my beliefs, but I long ago stopped believing in coincidences. There are too many pieces of this puzzle which don't fit.

Sheesh, you ain't kidding about the bolded.

Thanks for replying. I’m glad I’m not being offensive and hopefully not too annoying (yet!).

I know, I’m supposed to be on vacation from the org!

I barely lasted 24 hours!

Oh no, I must be addicted! Quick, somebody call Apples (off with his head!).

So instead of lurking about here I popped on youtube, and up came a link for Judith Hill’s album promo…worth checking out, if you haven’t seen it.

Anyway, I digress (so what’s new). When you get towards the end, there is a skit of Judith shutting Prince out in the cold.

Lo and behold, our hero miraculously turns on a dime and runs back to the door.

I immediately can’t help but think to myself, ‘hold on a minute. I thought the media narrative’ (apparently very popular round these parts with my fellow diehards ) ‘is that Prince was a long term painkiller addict due to crippling hip/joint pain over many years’.

When I look at that footage, and I compare Prince’s ease of movement with one of my friends, who suffers from a hip problem and has very impaired mobility, it could scarcely form a more vivid, sharper contrast between their respective maneuverability.

Now I’m beginning to get even more skeptical than I already am (albeit admittedly only largely due to having seen Prince spritely performances in concert 3 times in 2014).

So anyway, there’s another link to click entitled ‘Morgan Neville on filming video for Judith Hill and Prince’. I hope the link below works.

https://www.youtube.com/w...5SO4b2g-EQ

In the audio Morgan says, referring to Prince, that, “as soon as there was even a momentary lull, he would turn and SPRINT away, and disappear again…in heels. This happened MANY TIMES. Like the first time I thought it was a joke but it happened over and over, and then Judith said, “Oh, that’s what he does”. Yeah so the whole thing was so strange”.

Yup, that just about sums it up nicely for me; the whole thing’s so strange.

Hey Morgan, seriously dude, didn’t you get the memo?! Prince was supposed to be a long term painkiller addict due to being crippled by hip n joint pain for all these years!

yep it is baffling for sure. i really would like to see one video of him hobbling. Or at least a grimice

on his face. As an ex dancer you should see me get out of bed and i am younger than P.

purplefam99 said:

GrayDorian said:

Sheesh, you ain't kidding about the bolded.

Thanks for replying. I’m glad I’m not being offensive and hopefully not too annoying (yet!).

I know, I’m supposed to be on vacation from the org!

I barely lasted 24 hours!

Oh no, I must be addicted! Quick, somebody call Apples (off with his head!).

So instead of lurking about here I popped on youtube, and up came a link for Judith Hill’s album promo…worth checking out, if you haven’t seen it.

Anyway, I digress (so what’s new). When you get towards the end, there is a skit of Judith shutting Prince out in the cold.

Lo and behold, our hero miraculously turns on a dime and runs back to the door.

I immediately can’t help but think to myself, ‘hold on a minute. I thought the media narrative’ (apparently very popular round these parts with my fellow diehards ) ‘is that Prince was a long term painkiller addict due to crippling hip/joint pain over many years’.

When I look at that footage, and I compare Prince’s ease of movement with one of my friends, who suffers from a hip problem and has very impaired mobility, it could scarcely form a more vivid, sharper contrast between their respective maneuverability.

Now I’m beginning to get even more skeptical than I already am (albeit admittedly only largely due to having seen Prince spritely performances in concert 3 times in 2014).

So anyway, there’s another link to click entitled ‘Morgan Neville on filming video for Judith Hill and Prince’. I hope the link below works.

https://www.youtube.com/w...5SO4b2g-EQ

In the audio Morgan says, referring to Prince, that, “as soon as there was even a momentary lull, he would turn and SPRINT away, and disappear again…in heels. This happened MANY TIMES. Like the first time I thought it was a joke but it happened over and over, and then Judith said, “Oh, that’s what he does”. Yeah so the whole thing was so strange”.

Yup, that just about sums it up nicely for me; the whole thing’s so strange.

Hey Morgan, seriously dude, didn’t you get the memo?! Prince was supposed to be a long term painkiller addict due to being crippled by hip n joint pain for all these years!

yep it is baffling for sure. i really would like to see one video of him hobbling. Or at least a grimice

on his face. As an ex dancer you should see me get out of bed and i am younger than P.

Well, I was under the impression that some of his colleagues had already confirmed that Prince had hip issues and consequent treatment. I certainly wouldn't be disputing their word.

But I think we may be talking about way back around 2009ish for any purported surgery. However, I could be completely wrong about all of that, as I can't remember where I read that, or even which associates mentioned it, so it may not even be true at all. My memory ain't what it used to be, sorry! I know that's not much help.

I may be able to help you with footage of Prince looking like he is in discomfort walking though. It was taken in Heathrow Airport (I'm guessing perhaps circa 2007 for the 21 nights in London?). The address is below, though you would need to copy and paste.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlz8JbUwaeA

Prince didn't move like that in concert in 2014, that's for sure. That's what makes me so unusually skeptical (I'm about the last person to go for conspiracy theories), whilst Morgan Neville's comments above make me even more suspicious.

Prince looks amazingly light on his feet to me in that brief Judith Hill clip for a man supposedly debilitated by hip/joint pain. As I've already stated previously, imho there seems something slightly fishy about the media line (long term painkiller addiction due to crippling hip/joint pain), but of course I may very well be completely wrong.

Today I've read some folks online dissing Prince about his addiction on a news comments section. Even if it is in fact the case that he were addicted, the ignorance and total lack of compassion or empathy of some of those posters is appalling, sickening and pretty infuriating.

I'm not sure whether Prince would really care too much about what such narrow-minded, hard-hearted folks thought about him, as I think he once wisely observed that such comments usually say more about them than reflect anything at all about him, but I can't help feeling that he deserves far, far better.

I'm not so naive that I expect everyone to love him to bits (though millions of us worldwide no doubt do), but I do wish these mean-spirited folks would show him some much warranted R-E-S-P-E-C-T, as the song goes, if not for all the wonderful music he gave us, then at the very least for his altruistic, charitable works.

GrayDorian said:

purplefam99 said:

yep it is baffling for sure. i really would like to see one video of him hobbling. Or at least a grimice

on his face. As an ex dancer you should see me get out of bed and i am younger than P.

Well, I was under the impression that some of his colleagues had already confirmed that Prince had hip issues and consequent treatment. I certainly wouldn't be disputing their word.

But I think we may be talking about way back around 2009ish for any purported surgery. However, I could be completely wrong about all of that, as I can't remember where I read that, or even which associates mentioned it, so it may not even be true at all. My memory ain't what it used to be, sorry! I know that's not much help.

I may be able to help you with footage of Prince looking like he is in discomfort walking though. It was taken in Heathrow Airport (I'm guessing perhaps circa 2007 for the 21 nights in London?). The address is below, though you would need to copy and paste.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlz8JbUwaeA

Prince didn't move like that in concert in 2014, that's for sure. That's what makes me so unusually skeptical (I'm about the last person to go for conspiracy theories), whilst Morgan Neville's comments above make me even more suspicious.

Prince looks amazingly light on his feet to me in that brief Judith Hill clip for a man supposedly debilitated by hip/joint pain. As I've already stated previously, imho there seems something slightly fishy about the media line (long term painkiller addiction due to crippling hip/joint pain), but of course I may very well be completely wrong.

Today I've read some folks online dissing Prince about his addiction on a news comments section. Even if it is in fact the case that he were addicted, the ignorance and total lack of compassion or empathy of some of those posters is appalling, sickening and pretty infuriating.

I'm not sure whether Prince would really care too much about what such narrow-minded, hard-hearted folks thought about him, as I think he once wisely observed that such comments usually say more about them than reflect anything at all about him, but I can't help feeling that he deserves far, far better.

I'm not so naive that I expect everyone to love him to bits (though millions of us worldwide no doubt do), but I do wish these mean-spirited folks would show him some much warranted R-E-S-P-E-C-T, as the song goes, if not for all the wonderful music he gave us, then at the very least for his altruistic, charitable works.

To the read: I remember there was a video of Prince waiting for an elevator in 2008 and he didn't know he was filmed, it's the only time I saw Prince being in pain, because he got up and leaned on his cane and it really looks like it's the only bearable position.

I thought people on this thread were mad. But I was on facebook prince page yesterday and two people were saying how often they caught the clock at 4:21. And that was a sign. Ya know prince death, him communicating and whatnot. To which I replied, yeah I often get that looking at the clock when it says 9:11. And then I have to get out QuIcK!!!

fortuneandserendipity said:

I thought people on this thread were mad. But I was on facebook prince page yesterday and two people were saying how often they caught the clock at 4:21. And that was a sign. Ya know prince death, him communicating and whatnot. To which I replied, yeah I often get that looking at the clock when it says 9:11. And then I have to get out QuIcK!!!

I often look at the clock at 4:20.

purplefam99 said:

PennyPurple said:

In your post above , the quote says that Menes said that. Menes didn't say that muleFunk did.


Menes said that in Chapter 3, muleFunk goes into detail about murder. What does the scenario that you posted above have to do with murder? And how do we know that his hip never healed up properly?

If your book is at the publisher, then how did mene's get to read chapter 3??

please Mule, confusion is setting in here. can you clarify PennyPurple's question to you??

Can you hear the silence?

PennyPurple said:

purplefam99 said:

PennyPurple said:

Can you hear the silence?

My ears are bleeding it is so loud!!!!

purplefam99 said:

PennyPurple said:

In your post above , the quote says that Menes said that. Menes didn't say that muleFunk did.


Menes said that in Chapter 3, muleFunk goes into detail about murder. What does the scenario that you posted above have to do with murder? And how do we know that his hip never healed up properly?

If your book is at the publisher, then how did mene's get to read chapter 3??

please Mule, confusion is setting in here. can you clarify PennyPurple's question to you??

Back before the final results were leaked to the press we were speculating about Prince's health condition. Long time Org members knew that Prince had a problem with his hips. There were several posts here about that topic going back at least to 2006 and maybe longer.It was also mentioned that he was using medications to cope with this pain.

When Prince passed away my best friend, who is a medical pathologist, said that after the awards show in 2015 he said Prince looked like he was sick and could have been in the last stages of cancer or acute myeloid leukemia. Without getting into detail but some scuttlebutt among people in the medical field came back that the hip problem was degenerative and that a full replacement couldn't take place because the bone marrow production was not good enough to proceed. If that was the case then use of painkillers was needed.

Now what does that have to do with murder?

Someone switched his medication.

1.Where did these pills come from?

2. Why would he need to have fake Vicodin pills when he could have gotten real ones?

Kirk didn't know about the Aleve and Bayer bottles.

purplefam99 said:

PennyPurple said:

Can you hear the silence?

My ears are bleeding it is so loud!!!!

I have a demanding job.

I post here now when I can.

Now I try not to flame and get childish on the internet.

The only reason why I responded to this is because a reasonable dialogue was established.

I know that you guys disagree with my opinion and I am cool with that.

If you want further dialogue find me on FB.