GrayDorian said:

Mumio said:

That's for sure. I am not going to pinpoint anyone by name, but there have been several who really never took part in any of the discussions or visited here and there but didn't really pay attention, then come along months later asking about things that have been thoroughly discussed too many times to count. I'd actually pretty much said the same in a response I'd written recently, but then decided to delete it. Because I didn't want to go over old territory yet again

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Ok, I'm guilty of that, I suppose. It's hard for a slowpoke like me to keep up sometimes.

I haven't followed the estate thread since it moved onto the second page, so I know I've been trying Laura's patience once or twice, albeit completely unintentionally.

For example, until quite recently I wasn't aware that a bank is still continuing to run the estate, nor had I previously been under the impression that 'SNJ' (as she refers to the elder sibs...somehow makes me think of a hydra, eek! ) have a tendancy perhaps to be somewhat difficult/obstructive.

If I'm am inadvertently annoying you by my ignorance of the some of the key facts that you may already have discussed ad nauseam, I aplogize. Please feel free to ignore completely any such posts.

GrayDorian, I am not referring to you so please carry on. In fact, I find a great many of your posts to be very interesting to read and would miss seeing them.

The estate is onto a second banking manager - Comerica. But I agree with you - if you aren't on this every day it can easily get away from you. I know I haven't been able to read everything and I continue to be surprised at how acrimonious this settlement has become.

disch said:

What’s the significance of this — do you think he was murders? cloveringold85 said:

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I think someone was on his tail. TMZ broke the story of his death within an hour. They already had statements and the 911 Call.

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Someone who claimed to be close to Prince sold a story to the tabloids, stating that Prince had AIDS. Prince's family never made any statements about illness or AIDS, drugs or anything else, nor did they dispute those claims.

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After the Moline incident, Prince comes home and thows a party at PP. He made strange comments like thanking his doctor and "save your prayers".

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He was at the Dakota Jazz Club on the 19th, then two days later, he dies.

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Adonis claims that Prince was getting death threats and received 4 calls at PP.

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Prince dies just several days after his settlement with WB.

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A lot of weird stuff.

I do not think he was murdered. My opinion is that it was an accidental overdose. Prince moves from LA to PP in what, 2009? Around the same time he has the hip surgery from people talking here. It is also around the time (I could be wrong) the article is released about him popping percocets. I say this only to show that Prince may have elected the surgery to reduce his pain.

There is a period when Prince goes "underground" and is laying low, perhaps when he had the surgery.

Prince looks healthy till what, 2014/2015. He has lost weight and his makeup is rather thick, reminds me of the Lovesexy period. We see heavily photoshopped pictures.

I agree with Clover, someone in the camp was leaking information. Prince did not need a lot of security when he was at PP. This is evident on his bike rides. The tabloids did not hound him like in the past. I think security cameras were for PP property and grounds. I believe the doors to PP were pretty much locked. My reasoning is the photography said that Prince had to let him in (while Prince was still in his PJs and told him not to expect this to happen again, although it did).

The death threats are interesting. I wonder if anything was done or reported on this.Kirk was pretty much Prince's non-stop security detail.

Moline is a mystery. Disch said something that was interesting. What if, what if, Prince took a pill, thinking it was percocet (hence, Kirk's speculation), and it was a pill from the same batch that killed him. If Kirk wanted him dead (which I do not believe), then that was the best time. Kirk made the plane land to help Prince. I also do not think Kirk was the leak.I am not a Kirk fan, so for me to say this open minded.

We also seen the photo of Prince and the Escalade outside Walgreens. The Escalade is similiar to Kirk's, which tells me Kirk was taking care of Prince. Oddly, no scripts (not that was in the warrant) were from Walgreens.

I think Kirk was on his cell calling Tyka and family. Same with Meron. I think the leak is someone else from the camp. I do not know who.

If you google images from April 21, 2016 for PP, you will see photos of Kirk and Tyka outside PP. That tells me that Kirk contacted Tyka and there is nothing wrong with that. The only thing that I thought was odd was Kirk's clothes. He was supposed to meet Prince with Andrew, but maybe Kirk dressed that way during non-business outings"? I had always heard Prince did not let people dress down, but Prince had loosen the reins a little over time.

I think it is simply an accidental overdose. Prince in the past, had legit scripts due to his pain. He had surgery, got more scripts to deal with the pain. All viable reasons. At some point, the scripts got hard to beat. He started controlling the pills, that is why we see in the warrants half pills. Pains meds become harder to get, so Prince gets cut off. He goes bootleg on the pills.

The bootleg pills are not made in a controlled lab like prescription meds. It is a gamble. He took a percocet imitation, perhaps it had too much fentanyl or mixture, then there is the emergency landing. Prince tries to quit with out medical assistance. At this point, legit percocet is mixed with illegtimiate percocet, a recipe for disaster.

As much a control freak and how much pride Prince had, there is no way, in my opinion, that he would say f*** it, take lethal OD to be found in an elevator. He would not want to be remembered as a"drugged out rock star".

I think the family and camp has not said anything cause that is how Prince was. The OD does not portray Prince in any negative light. It only shows him as a real human and that he had some faults, just like the rest of us.

All this is either my opinion and/or speculation. I am not privy to any inside information. It is a tragedy and shock. To this day, I am still perplexed that Prince has passed.

Sorry to ramble.

mnfriend said:

From NY Post Page Six, dated today: MINNEAPOLIS — Prosecutors in Carver County have agreed to provide Prince’s siblings with documents connected to the county’s investigation into his death. John Goetz, an attorney for Prince’s siblings, says prosecutors agreed to give him the medical examiner’s autopsy investigation this week. He expects to get the rest of the investigative files next week. (Tyka is going to document her book, like we’ve insisted if we are to believe or purchase?)

That's good, glad to hear that and shows that the family still probably don't know what happened to Prince.

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Prosecutors in the county where Prince was found dead have agreed to provide his siblings with investigative documents so the family can determine whether civil litigation is warranted, according to a stipulation filed in court Wednesday.

The siblings and their attorneys must keep the information confidential, or could be held in contempt of court, the agreement says. A judge hasn’t yet signed off on it, according to court records, but that’s typically a formality when both sides agree.

*moving*

*drums fingers*

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nelcp777 said:

disch said:

What’s the significance of this — do you think he was murders? cloveringold85 said:

I do not think he was murdered. My opinion is that it was an accidental overdose. Prince moves from LA to PP in what, 2009? Around the same time he has the hip surgery from people talking here. It is also around the time (I could be wrong) the article is released about him popping percocets. I say this only to show that Prince may have elected the surgery to reduce his pain.

There is a period when Prince goes "underground" and is laying low, perhaps when he had the surgery.

Prince looks healthy till what, 2014/2015. He has lost weight and his makeup is rather thick, reminds me of the Lovesexy period. We see heavily photoshopped pictures.

I agree with Clover, someone in the camp was leaking information. Prince did not need a lot of security when he was at PP. This is evident on his bike rides. The tabloids did not hound him like in the past. I think security cameras were for PP property and grounds. I believe the doors to PP were pretty much locked. My reasoning is the photography said that Prince had to let him in (while Prince was still in his PJs and told him not to expect this to happen again, although it did).

The death threats are interesting. I wonder if anything was done or reported on this.Kirk was pretty much Prince's non-stop security detail.

Moline is a mystery. Disch said something that was interesting. What if, what if, Prince took a pill, thinking it was percocet (hence, Kirk's speculation), and it was a pill from the same batch that killed him. If Kirk wanted him dead (which I do not believe), then that was the best time. Kirk made the plane land to help Prince. I also do not think Kirk was the leak.I am not a Kirk fan, so for me to say this open minded.

We also seen the photo of Prince and the Escalade outside Walgreens. The Escalade is similiar to Kirk's, which tells me Kirk was taking care of Prince. Oddly, no scripts (not that was in the warrant) were from Walgreens.

I think Kirk was on his cell calling Tyka and family. Same with Meron. I think the leak is someone else from the camp. I do not know who.

If you google images from April 21, 2016 for PP, you will see photos of Kirk and Tyka outside PP. That tells me that Kirk contacted Tyka and there is nothing wrong with that. The only thing that I thought was odd was Kirk's clothes. He was supposed to meet Prince with Andrew, but maybe Kirk dressed that way during non-business outings"? I had always heard Prince did not let people dress down, but Prince had loosen the reins a little over time.

I think it is simply an accidental overdose. Prince in the past, had legit scripts due to his pain. He had surgery, got more scripts to deal with the pain. All viable reasons. At some point, the scripts got hard to beat. He started controlling the pills, that is why we see in the warrants half pills. Pains meds become harder to get, so Prince gets cut off. He goes bootleg on the pills.

The bootleg pills are not made in a controlled lab like prescription meds. It is a gamble. He took a percocet imitation, perhaps it had too much fentanyl or mixture, then there is the emergency landing. Prince tries to quit with out medical assistance. At this point, legit percocet is mixed with illegtimiate percocet, a recipe for disaster.

As much a control freak and how much pride Prince had, there is no way, in my opinion, that he would say f*** it, take lethal OD to be found in an elevator. He would not want to be remembered as a"drugged out rock star".

I think the family and camp has not said anything cause that is how Prince was. The OD does not portray Prince in any negative light. It only shows him as a real human and that he had some faults, just like the rest of us.

All this is either my opinion and/or speculation. I am not privy to any inside information. It is a tragedy and shock. To this day, I am still perplexed that Prince has passed.

Sorry to ramble.

You didn't ramble it was easy to follow.

Have to disagree with you on the half pill issue. My grandmother would break pills in half because she thought the whole pills were too much. Much more common than you think and she was not addicted.

Prince didn't have counterfeit Percocet. He had fake Vicodin tablets.

He had meds in Kirk's name. That's it. No other prescriptions in other's names around.

On the contrary Micheal Jackson had multiple prescriptions in different names at the time of his death.

Now Prince didn't have any prescriptions in his name in the country at the time of his death. Following your theory which is now the narrative for his death wouldn't there be other prescriptions for him because of this ballooning addiction?

If he was taking the fake prescription route shouldn't we see his drug of choice there... Percocet? There were no prescriptions there for Viocdin.

muleFunk said:

You didn't ramble it was easy to follow.

Have to disagree with you on the half pill issue. My grandmother would break pills in half because she thought the whole pills were too much. Much more common than you think and she was not addicted.

Prince didn't have counterfeit Percocet. He had fake Vicodin tablets.

He had meds in Kirk's name. That's it. No other prescriptions in other's names around.

On the contrary Micheal Jackson had multiple prescriptions in different names at the time of his death.

Now Prince didn't have any prescriptions in his name in the country at the time of his death. Following your theory which is now the narrative for his death wouldn't there be other prescriptions for him because of this ballooning addiction?

If he was taking the fake prescription route shouldn't we see his drug of choice there... Percocet? There were no prescriptions there for Viocdin.

How would we know what name he used? He could have used any name he wanted and nobody would even know.

PennyPurple said:

muleFunk said:

You didn't ramble it was easy to follow.

Have to disagree with you on the half pill issue. My grandmother would break pills in half because she thought the whole pills were too much. Much more common than you think and she was not addicted.

Prince didn't have counterfeit Percocet. He had fake Vicodin tablets.

He had meds in Kirk's name. That's it. No other prescriptions in other's names around.

On the contrary Micheal Jackson had multiple prescriptions in different names at the time of his death.

Now Prince didn't have any prescriptions in his name in the country at the time of his death. Following your theory which is now the narrative for his death wouldn't there be other prescriptions for him because of this ballooning addiction?

If he was taking the fake prescription route shouldn't we see his drug of choice there... Percocet? There were no prescriptions there for Viocdin.

How would we know what name he used? He could have used any name he wanted and nobody would even know.

That's true but they didn't find any other prescriptions there or in his posessions. They also searched other properties and found nothing. I promise you if they did it would be on every news outlet.

muleFunk said:

PennyPurple said:

How would we know what name he used? He could have used any name he wanted and nobody would even know.

That's true but they didn't find any other prescriptions there or in his posessions. They also searched other properties and found nothing. I promise you if they did it would be on every news outlet.

Is your book out?

muleFunk said:

PennyPurple said:

How would we know what name he used? He could have used any name he wanted and nobody would even know.

That's true but they didn't find any other prescriptions there or in his posessions. They also searched other properties and found nothing. I promise you if they did it would be on every news outlet.

May I ask whether you too are as equally convinced that the media portrayal of Prince as having a long term addiction over many years to painkillers is correct and accurate?

I ask because I still have a hard time buying the long term painkiller addiction scenario due to hip/joint pain.

I realize that it seems to be pretty much accepted as hard fact here and I’m not disputing that Prince had surgery, but I just can’t get past having seen Prince live in 2014 on three occasions in a few days, and being impressed by his remarkable energy, dancing about the stage and able to keep the party going for the best part of 2 and a half hours, whilst in his mid-fifties. I haven’t had that sort of energy and fitness, since my early thirties, if ever in fact.

It's pretty hard to get past the evidence of your own eyes, when you are leaving the concert under the impression, ‘wow, Prince still has plenty of get up and go’, especially for a man in his fifties. That sort of vibrancy at aged 55 fairly puts me to shame, that’s for sure. After all, these spritely performances were less than 2 years prior to his sad passing.

I seriously doubt even the fittest of my friends could dance about like that over such a lengthy period, and on 2 consecutive nights too. And yet with these performances in mind, somehow I am to believe that our hero, so badly crippled by hip/joint pain that he had to resort to long term painkiller addiction, was able to perform this minor miracle over three nights? Ok, I can admit I think the sun shines out of Prince’s ass, but even I'm having difficulty buying that.

It just doesn’t quite add up for me. Those performances strike such a stark contrast with one of my friends who has hip issues, as his mobility is massively impaired. It’s nigh impossible for me to visualize him dancing about like that. It looks like walking about slowly is a big enough struggle for him.

I’ve had knee issues for a few years now and, when I am dumb enough to dance about for 30 seconds, I invariably spend the rest of the week wishing I hadn’t.

I can’t help thinking that, if a big wuss like me can tough it out without becoming addicted to painkillers, a man as mentally tough as Prince (any of us who have been down the front few rows at his concerts can attest to the immense pressure he was able to withstand and perform brilliantly under) seems pretty unlikely to me to succumb to painkiller addiction (well, unless perhaps latterly he was left with no option, when battling very serious illness).

Having said that, I suppose a long term painkiller addiction due to hip/joint pain is of course still a possibility. And I am also wondering whether Prince would have been able to perform so well, and with such vigor, had he been suffering from something like first stage pancreatic cancer, so who knows?

Admittedly my memory is appalling, but frankly I have difficulty reconciling my memories of those lively, energetic performances with either chronic joint pain, or terminal illness, so it is all still very confusing to me.

A new theory occurred to me. in 2009, I beleive his hip problems were apparent on stage. He was thin and not moving around much and relying entirely on guitar playing. I think he got surgery and was doing well until 2015. Around time his P and M tour started, his other hip started giving out due to the strain he placed on it prancing around the stage in the last 3 years or so since the Welcome to America tour started but he wanted to finish what he was doing with the P and M tour and didnt want to take the time off to get it operated on--so he just popped pills. Another possible theory is that he no longer had hip problems but for some reason or another started taking pain pills for other reasons or was suffering from liver failure due to the previous years of pill usage. In other words, I don't think between 2011 and early 2015, his hips were debilitating. Something was wrong at the end because his physical energy did seem to disapate a bit and he lost weight. The poisoning theory seems odd because his weight loss indicates being sick for a while. Why poison him slow?==what would be the point?

GrayDorian said:

muleFunk said:

That's true but they didn't find any other prescriptions there or in his posessions. They also searched other properties and found nothing. I promise you if they did it would be on every news outlet.

May I ask whether you too are as equally convinced that the media portrayal of Prince as having a long term addiction over many years to painkillers is correct and accurate?

I ask because I still have a hard time buying the long term painkiller addiction scenario due to hip/joint pain.

I realize that it seems to be pretty much accepted as hard fact here and I’m not disputing that Prince had surgery, but I just can’t get past having seen Prince live in 2014 on three occasions in a few days, and being impressed by his remarkable energy, dancing about the stage and able to keep the party going for the best part of 2 and a half hours, whilst in his mid-fifties. I haven’t had that sort of energy and fitness, since my early thirties, if ever in fact.

It's pretty hard to get past the evidence of your own eyes, when you are leaving the concert under the impression, ‘wow, Prince still has plenty of get up and go’, especially for a man in his fifties. That sort of vibrancy at aged 55 fairly puts me to shame, that’s for sure. After all, these spritely performances were less than 2 years prior to his sad passing.

I seriously doubt even the fittest of my friends could dance about like that over such a lengthy period, and on 2 consecutive nights too. And yet with these performances in mind, somehow I am to believe that our hero, so badly crippled by hip/joint pain that he had to resort to long term painkiller addiction, was able to perform this minor miracle over three nights? Ok, I can admit I think the sun shines out of Prince’s ass, but even I'm having difficulty buying that.

It just doesn’t quite add up for me. Those performances strike such a stark contrast with one of my friends who has hip issues, as his mobility is massively impaired. It’s nigh impossible for me to visualize him dancing about like that. It looks like walking about slowly is a big enough struggle for him.

I’ve had knee issues for a few years now and, when I am dumb enough to dance about for 30 seconds, I invariably spend the rest of the week wishing I hadn’t.

I can’t help thinking that, if a big wuss like me can tough it out without becoming addicted to painkillers, a man as mentally tough as Prince (any of us who have been down the front few rows at his concerts can attest to the immense pressure he was able to withstand and perform brilliantly under) seems pretty unlikely to me to succumb to painkiller addiction (well, unless perhaps latterly he was left with no option, when battling very serious illness).

Having said that, I suppose a long term painkiller addiction due to hip/joint pain is of course still a possibility. And I am also wondering whether Prince would have been able to perform so well, and with such vigor, had he been suffering from something like first stage pancreatic cancer, so who knows?

Admittedly my memory is appalling, but frankly I have difficulty reconciling my memories of those lively, energetic performances with either chronic joint pain, or terminal illness, so it is all still very confusing to me.

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morningsong said:

*moving*

Carver County Attorney Mark Metz released a statement last month saying he'd object to releasing the data, citing the ongoing investigation. Metz did not return a phone message seeking comment Wednesday, but the agreement filed in Anoka County, where the autopsy was done, bears his signature.

Goetz said he expects to receive the medical examiner's autopsy investigation this week. He said he expects a similar agreement to be reached next week on the rest of the investigative files.

"We're very pleased we can finally get all the facts and determine what claims we might be able to pursue for our clients for the loss of their brother," he said.

*drums fingers*

[Edited 3/21/18 17:32pm]

This would almost seem to suggest to me that even his siblings are looking for, and indeed are now about to receive the answers as to Prince's state of health prior to his passing.

Moreover, the mention of determining possible claims makes me ponder that medical negligence may also perhaps be a possibility? Sigh.

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) - The siblings and their attorneys must keep the information confidential, or could be held in contempt of court, the agreement says. A judge hasn’t yet signed off on it, according to court records, but that’s typically a formality when both sides agree.

Hmm, presumably this confidentiality clause ensures any sensitive personal info about Prince's state of health will not enter the public domain, and thankfully Prince's privacy will be protected.

I think it may well turn out to be a blessing that Tyka is writing her book, as she will be able to put to bed some of our 'misconceptions' about Prince's passing. Whether some of my fellow orgers will believe her is another matter, I suppose.

GrayDorian said:

There is a certainly a decrease in on stage activity during the Piano and Microphone tour though. I think Prince still moved decently but that could have been the pills helping but it was still a big decline from the previous couple of years. Keep in mind that an addiction may only need a few months to develop if you are taking stronger drugs than you realized you had purchased.

I think there was something else wrong though too. I really hope its not foul play..that would be soul crushing.

purplefam99 said:

GrayDorian said:

May I ask whether you too are as equally convinced that the media portrayal of Prince as having a long term addiction over many years to painkillers is correct and accurate?

I ask because I still have a hard time buying the long term painkiller addiction scenario due to hip/joint pain.

I realize that it seems to be pretty much accepted as hard fact here and I’m not disputing that Prince had surgery, but I just can’t get past having seen Prince live in 2014 on three occasions in a few days, and being impressed by his remarkable energy, dancing about the stage and able to keep the party going for the best part of 2 and a half hours, whilst in his mid-fifties. I haven’t had that sort of energy and fitness, since my early thirties, if ever in fact.

It's pretty hard to get past the evidence of your own eyes, when you are leaving the concert under the impression, ‘wow, Prince still has plenty of get up and go’, especially for a man in his fifties. That sort of vibrancy at aged 55 fairly puts me to shame, that’s for sure. After all, these spritely performances were less than 2 years prior to his sad passing.

I seriously doubt even the fittest of my friends could dance about like that over such a lengthy period, and on 2 consecutive nights too. And yet with these performances in mind, somehow I am to believe that our hero, so badly crippled by hip/joint pain that he had to resort to long term painkiller addiction, was able to perform this minor miracle over three nights? Ok, I can admit I think the sun shines out of Prince’s ass, but even I'm having difficulty buying that.

It just doesn’t quite add up for me. Those performances strike such a stark contrast with one of my friends who has hip issues, as his mobility is massively impaired. It’s nigh impossible for me to visualize him dancing about like that. It looks like walking about slowly is a big enough struggle for him.

I’ve had knee issues for a few years now and, when I am dumb enough to dance about for 30 seconds, I invariably spend the rest of the week wishing I hadn’t.

I can’t help thinking that, if a big wuss like me can tough it out without becoming addicted to painkillers, a man as mentally tough as Prince (any of us who have been down the front few rows at his concerts can attest to the immense pressure he was able to withstand and perform brilliantly under) seems pretty unlikely to me to succumb to painkiller addiction (well, unless perhaps latterly he was left with no option, when battling very serious illness).

Having said that, I suppose a long term painkiller addiction due to hip/joint pain is of course still a possibility. And I am also wondering whether Prince would have been able to perform so well, and with such vigor, had he been suffering from something like first stage pancreatic cancer, so who knows?

Admittedly my memory is appalling, but frankly I have difficulty reconciling my memories of those lively, energetic performances with either chronic joint pain, or terminal illness, so it is all still very confusing to me.

Gray that was/is the exact problem I was having with the hip pain. I believe He could have been a sufferer of hip pain. But my eyes don’t believe it!! Many here have assured me on the drug threads that these meds are that good. I am still in awe that that could be the case. That these drugs could make the pain Seemingly evaporate. I, like you, saw no noticeble signs of a hip pain sufferrer When I look at him perform. It baffles me.

[Edited 3/21/18 20:31pm]

1Sasha said:

The estate is onto a second banking manager - Comerica. But I agree with you - if you aren't on this every day it can easily get away from you. I know I haven't been able to read everything and I continue to be surprised at how acrimonious this settlement has become.

Yup, it's not easy keeping up to date and remembering all the info, that's for sure. I'm very guilty of not keeping up to speed, and I appreciate it, when the vast majority here are patient with me over my ignorance. To be frank, these forums are the only way for me to keep up with Princely matters.

I imagine very, very few of us have the time to plough through all the media articles, never mind court documents. In any case my understanding of legal matters is virtually non-existent. I'm not sure what advantages there are in having a bank managing the estate.

I could be wrong, but I suspect that we won't know for sure how the important things have gone (Prince's legacy, charitable causes, Paisley Park and of course his precious music) for a couple of decades possibly, by which time some of us may very well no longer be around to worry about it.

You know, it's over 11 years now since JB's passing put a massive damper on Christmas Day (still like to give his Funky Christmas cd a spin on the day), and incredibly his estate is yet to be resolved, as far as I am aware at least.

You might think, 'who cares?', but James is reported to have left many millions of dollars to underprivileged kids in his birth state of South Carolina and home state of Georgia, so I would like to think that it should have been a burning priority for those involved to get James's estate resolved. Well, after long 11 years, it doesn't look like that is the case sadly.

No doubt Prince would have been aware of this, and Laura kindly informed us that he wisely made provision so that the royalties of his last 4 albums (I think) would go directly to the 'Dreamcorps' charities. Sweet! I think Prince was a heckuva lot smarter than some folks give him credit for.

Going on my (hopefully mistaken) impressions of a few of the elder siblings, I am beginning to wish Prince had done like I saw on an ole TV show, where the aged, wealthy lady had bequeathed all her money to a trust for her aviary of parrots. I think they are supposed to live for about 40 years, lol. Awesome!

I'd have laughed my ass off, if Prince had pulled a move like that on the elder sibs. Or even better, bequeathing to a trust for a creep of giant tortoises, as they often live to be a hundred, ha-ha!

purplerabbithole said:

purplerabbithole said:

There is a certainly a decrease in on stage activity during the Piano and Microphone tour though. I think Prince still moved decently but that could have been the pills helping but it was still a big decline from the previous couple of years. Keep in mind that an addiction may only need a few months to develop if you are taking stronger drugs than you realized you had purchased.

I think there was something else wrong though too. I really hope its not foul play..that would be soul crushing.

purplefam99 said:

GrayDorian said: Gray that was/is the exact problem I was having with the hip pain. I believe He could have been a sufferer of hip pain. But my eyes don’t believe it!! Many here have assured me on the drug threads that these meds are that good. I am still in awe that that could be the case. That these drugs could make the pain Seemingly evaporate. I, like you, saw no noticeble signs of a hip pain sufferrer When I look at him perform. It baffles me.

[Edited 3/21/18 20:31pm]

I remain of the opinion that, if there were indeed addiction issues, they were probably only developed latterly, in the face of whichever serious illness Prince was battling. I may be way wide of the mark with that assessment though.

I agree with the bolded, though admittedly I believe Tyka's account of Prince suffering from a terminal illness. However, I also admit to finding the move to access the autopsy report doesn't quite seem to tally up with that...well, unless you need such documents to proceed with a case of medical negligence.

Medical negligence would be a heart breaker for me. It's already more than miserable, as things stand. I'm broken enough, mulling over the likelihood that Prince possibly had to suffer three long years of something horrific like pancreatic cancer. Think about how much he gave to us over those 3 years through new music and also in concert, whilst probably having to endure such pain.

As for 'foul play', I think that would be beyond devastating for many of us, in the unlikely event it should turn out to be the case. I know there are some pretty odd things and lots of confusion about Prince's passing, but I genuinely very seriously doubt any foul play (I can't even begin to imagine who would want to hurt Prince or why).

If anyone is troubled by 'foul play', perhaps listening to some of the lyrics on Art Official Age may give them some comfort and put their mind at ease that Prince was already preparing for his passing.

Prince, as a man of faith, singing a song like Way Back Home (as you are probably aware, believers oft refer to heaven as home) seems to me at least to be pretty telling. I'm only too aware that I'm a bit of a fantasist/daydreamer, but a song like 'June' off HnR1 really feels like goodbye to me too.

Reflecting on a song such as Way Back Home, where Prince courageously lays himself open to us, I am remembering that somebody on one of these threads recently implied that somehow Prince's supposedly massive ego would have prevented him from getting help for his alleged addiction issues.

Once again that only makes me reflect how differently many of us seem to see Prince.

I have a very hard time envisaging Prince’s ego affecting his judgement, if it came to the need to address a purported addiction. For sure, I think Prince had a big ego back in the early eighties, when I first started following him, but he seems to me to have grown a great deal as a man over those 3 and a half decades.

I think that Prince was a far more loving, wiser, kinder, gentler, forgiving soul with much more humility than some folks realize. I don’t for one second believe that someone with a massive ego would write, never mind publicly release on an album for all to hear songs with the vulnerability, and openness of ‘The Breakdown’ and ‘Way Back Home’.

I think it takes a lot for any man to open up and expose himself like that, and I love Prince all the more for it. These songs reveal (to my mind at least) a remarkably brave man who is free from vanity, not a weak, indecisive or egotistical man at all.

Anyway, many of us seem to have many different thoughts on this, and I'm probably not saying anything new. I'd better sign off for now, as I'm on the ramble yet again. Sorry about that, if anyone is still reading.

GrayDorian said:

1Sasha said:

The estate is onto a second banking manager - Comerica. But I agree with you - if you aren't on this every day it can easily get away from you. I know I haven't been able to read everything and I continue to be surprised at how acrimonious this settlement has become.

Yup, it's not easy keeping up to date and remembering all the info, that's for sure. I'm very guilty of not keeping up to speed, and I appreciate it, when the vast majority here are patient with me over my ignorance. To be frank, these forums are the only way for me to keep up with Princely matters.

I imagine very, very few of us have the time to plough through all the media articles, never mind court documents. In any case my understanding of legal matters is virtually non-existent. I'm not sure what advantages there are in having a bank managing the estate.

I could be wrong, but I suspect that we won't know for sure how the important things have gone (Prince's legacy, charitable causes, Paisley Park and of course his precious music) for a couple of decades possibly, by which time some of us may very well no longer be around to worry about it.

You know, it's over 11 years now since JB's passing put a massive damper on Christmas Day (still like to give his Funky Christmas cd a spin on the day), and incredibly his estate is yet to be resolved, as far as I am aware at least.

You might think, 'who cares?', but James is reported to have left many millions of dollars to underprivileged kids in his birth state of South Carolina and home state of Georgia, so I would like to think that it should have been a burning priority for those involved to get James's estate resolved. Well, after long 11 years, it doesn't look like that is the case sadly.

No doubt Prince would have been aware of this, and Laura kindly informed us that he wisely made provision so that the royalties of his last 4 albums (I think) would go directly to the 'Dreamcorps' charities. Sweet! I think Prince was a heckuva lot smarter than some folks give him credit for.

Going on my (hopefully mistaken) impressions of a few of the elder siblings, I am beginning to wish Prince had done like I saw on an ole TV show, where the aged, wealthy lady had bequeathed all her money to a trust for her aviary of parrots. I think they are supposed to live for about 40 years, lol. Awesome!

I'd have laughed my ass off, if Prince had pulled a move like that on the elder sibs. Or even better, bequeathing to a trust for a creep of giant tortoises, as they often live to be a hundred, ha-ha!

As some people have said here, he may have formed at least one trust, which would not be open to public review. We'll never know everything, which might have made him very happy.

PennyPurple said:

rogifan said:

PennyPurple said:

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Prosecutors in the county where Prince was found dead have agreed to provide his siblings with investigative documents so the family can determine whether civil litigation is warranted, according to a stipulation filed in court Wednesday.

The siblings and their attorneys must keep the information confidential, or could be held in contempt of court, the agreement says. A judge hasn’t yet signed off on it, according to court records, but that’s typically a formality when both sides agree.

Who would the civil litigation be against? [Edited 3/22/18 6:47am]

I wish I knew.

1Sasha said:

GrayDorian said:

Yup, it's not easy keeping up to date and remembering all the info, that's for sure. I'm very guilty of not keeping up to speed, and I appreciate it, when the vast majority here are patient with me over my ignorance. To be frank, these forums are the only way for me to keep up with Princely matters.

I imagine very, very few of us have the time to plough through all the media articles, never mind court documents. In any case my understanding of legal matters is virtually non-existent. I'm not sure what advantages there are in having a bank managing the estate.

I could be wrong, but I suspect that we won't know for sure how the important things have gone (Prince's legacy, charitable causes, Paisley Park and of course his precious music) for a couple of decades possibly, by which time some of us may very well no longer be around to worry about it.

You know, it's over 11 years now since JB's passing put a massive damper on Christmas Day (still like to give his Funky Christmas cd a spin on the day), and incredibly his estate is yet to be resolved, as far as I am aware at least.

You might think, 'who cares?', but James is reported to have left many millions of dollars to underprivileged kids in his birth state of South Carolina and home state of Georgia, so I would like to think that it should have been a burning priority for those involved to get James's estate resolved. Well, after long 11 years, it doesn't look like that is the case sadly.

No doubt Prince would have been aware of this, and Laura kindly informed us that he wisely made provision so that the royalties of his last 4 albums (I think) would go directly to the 'Dreamcorps' charities. Sweet! I think Prince was a heckuva lot smarter than some folks give him credit for.

Going on my (hopefully mistaken) impressions of a few of the elder siblings, I am beginning to wish Prince had done like I saw on an ole TV show, where the aged, wealthy lady had bequeathed all her money to a trust for her aviary of parrots. I think they are supposed to live for about 40 years, lol. Awesome!

I'd have laughed my ass off, if Prince had pulled a move like that on the elder sibs. Or even better, bequeathing to a trust for a creep of giant tortoises, as they often live to be a hundred, ha-ha!

As some people have said here, he may have formed at least one trust, which would not be open to public review. We'll never know everything, which might have made him very happy.

That would be sweet...how long do doves live?

Anybody seen any tortoises roaming the grounds of Paisley Park?

Let's hope that Prince was wise enough to set up some kind of charitable trust that circumvents the influence of the elder sibs.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least, as he's a pretty smart cookie.

PennyPurple said:

rogifan said:

PennyPurple said: Who would the civil litigation be against? [Edited 3/22/18 6:47am]

I wish I knew.

Does it mean that this is likely to have been a case of medical negligence?

I may be being super dumb, but I can't really think who else other than a medical practicioner the sibs would be looking to sue.

PennyPurple said:

rogifan said:

PennyPurple said:

I wish I knew.

I am curious who the family thinks they could go after in a civil suit that couldn’t have criminal charges filed against them.

They are looking for deep pockets.

Insurance money.

Doctors and hospitals.

Medical negligence.

In a criminal case the evidence must be beyond a reasonable doubt.

In a civil case the evidence is by a preponderance of evidence.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

it could still be justice--it depends.

rogifan said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

They are looking for deep pockets.

Insurance money.

Doctors and hospitals.

Medical negligence.

In a criminal case the evidence must be beyond a reasonable doubt.

In a civil case the evidence is by a preponderance of evidence.

Ugh I hope they don’t do that. This should be about justice for their brother not money.

GrayDorian said:

purplerabbithole said:

There is a certainly a decrease in on stage activity during the Piano and Microphone tour though. I think Prince still moved decently but that could have been the pills helping but it was still a big decline from the previous couple of years. Keep in mind that an addiction may only need a few months to develop if you are taking stronger drugs than you realized you had purchased.

I think there was something else wrong though too. I really hope its not foul play..that would be soul crushing.

[Edited 3/21/18 20:31pm]

I remain of the opinion that, if there were indeed addiction issues, they were probably only developed latterly, in the face of whichever serious illness Prince was battling. I may be way wide of the mark with that assessment though.

I agree with the bolded, though admittedly I believe Tyka's account of Prince suffering from a terminal illness. However, I also admit to finding the move to access the autopsy report doesn't quite seem to tally up with that...well, unless you need such documents to proceed with a case of medical negligence.

Medical negligence would be a heart breaker for me. It's already more than miserable, as things stand. I'm broken enough, mulling over the likelihood that Prince possibly had to suffer three long years of something horrific like pancreatic cancer. Think about how much he gave to us over those 3 years through new music and also in concert, whilst probably having to endure such pain.

As for 'foul play', I think that would be beyond devastating for many of us, in the unlikely event it should turn out to be the case. I know there are some pretty odd things and lots of confusion about Prince's passing, but I genuinely very seriously doubt any foul play (I can't even begin to imagine who would want to hurt Prince or why).

If anyone is troubled by 'foul play', perhaps listening to some of the lyrics on Art Official Age may give them some comfort and put their mind at ease that Prince was already preparing for his passing.

Prince, as a man of faith, singing a song like Way Back Home (as you are probably aware, believers oft refer to heaven as home) seems to me at least to be pretty telling. I'm only too aware that I'm a bit of a fantasist/daydreamer, but a song like 'June' off HnR1 really feels like goodbye to me too.

Reflecting on a song such as Way Back Home, where Prince courageously lays himself open to us, I am remembering that somebody on one of these threads recently implied that somehow Prince's supposedly massive ego would have prevented him from getting help for his alleged addiction issues.

Once again that only makes me reflect how differently many of us seem to see Prince.

I have a very hard time envisaging Prince’s ego affecting his judgement, if it came to the need to address a purported addiction. For sure, I think Prince had a big ego back in the early eighties, when I first started following him, but he seems to me to have grown a great deal as a man over those 3 and a half decades.

I think that Prince was a far more loving, wiser, kinder, gentler, forgiving soul with much more humility than some folks realize. I don’t for one second believe that someone with a massive ego would write, never mind publicly release on an album for all to hear songs with the vulnerability, and openness of ‘The Breakdown’ and ‘Way Back Home’.

I think it takes a lot for any man to open up and expose himself like that, and I love Prince all the more for it. These songs reveal (to my mind at least) a remarkably brave man who is free from vanity, not a weak, indecisive or egotistical man at all.

Anyway, many of us seem to have many different thoughts on this, and I'm probably not saying anything new. I'd better sign off for now, as I'm on the ramble yet again. Sorry about that, if anyone is still reading.

rogifan said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

They are looking for deep pockets.

Insurance money.

Doctors and hospitals.

Medical negligence.

In a criminal case the evidence must be beyond a reasonable doubt.

In a civil case the evidence is by a preponderance of evidence.

Ugh I hope they don’t do that. This should be about justice for their brother not money.

Ok, I totally agree with your bolded remark.

However, I'd probably qualify that by stating that I've no idea how they are getting on with paying the massive, punitive tax bill that the estate has been facing.

If they are under enormous financial pressure to raise funds, and say, for example, Paisley Park may come under threat, I could appreciate why they may feel the need to pursue a negligence case against a doctor and/or hospital.