cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

I am not angry and you need to knock it off. Anytime someone disagrees with you they are angry.

I guess that makes it easy to dismiss people and topics

Judith also said " he was going to get help" What do you think that means in the context of the article. She wanted to clear up the misconception (lie) by TMZ that he left because he could not get a private room and was combative. It is obvious that whatever was going on with him he was not going to get much help at some hospital in the middle of nowhere and if TMZ was not trying to get internet hits they would have not even gone with the" left because he demanded a private room B.S. in the first place".

See her comments since you missed them in your first read.

"While Hill did not get into specifics about Prince's medical treatment while in Moline, she did reveal that she and Johnson remained by his side throughout the night and Prince was "very cooperative" and "serious about getting help."

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..........And, let us not forget that TMZ ran the story that Prince had died......TWO days before, on April 19th.

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It's almost like they knew he was about to die -- someone was feeding them stories.

Seriously?! That is absolutely bizarre. That could be the craziest yet, and to me there already seems to be some pretty weird aspects to Prince's passing.

cloveringold85 said:

GrayDorian said:

Yes, I believe her. I have no doubts as to her integrity or the veracity of her ‘story’, as you put it.

I don’t really get why some folks here are so skeptical as to her word. Prince is her beloved brother after all. I cannot even imagine why some here think she would lie to us fans about such a serious matter regarding Prince.

I have to admit though that I don’t follow social media or TV interviews avidly, so I am not entirely sure what you mean by ‘changing her story’.

If perhaps that refers to her initial reference to 2 years becoming 3 years, I just interpret that as meaning that Prince was seriously ill for 3 years, and he informed her of this a year later.

However, it could also possibly refer to about a year having passed between Tyka giving those two interviews. I’m not sure and it’s no biggie to me.

I haven’t seen an interview in which Tyka claimed to have ‘told everyone’, as you put it. If she said that on record, presumably she meant 'everyone that Prince loves', and simply forgot to qualify it. Prince, being of a very private nature, is not likely to want to share his sad news with anyone he isn’t really close to, or doesn’t love and trust.

My memory is very poor, but I vaguely recall something about her being given an email by Prince to pass on (possibly to Andre?) that indicated his sad predicament. I don’t think that it’s unfeasible that she may have been given a list of loved ones to inform.

Once again, I believe Tyka. She clearly loves her brother and has conducted herself well since his passing, so I can see no reason not to believe her. Tyka has been gracious enough to pass on the sad news that Prince was seriously ill over a few years prior to his passing, and I am grateful to her for sharing that with us.

I can’t help feeling though that the finer details as to what was ailing him aren’t any of our business. I sincerely hope that it wasn’t pancreatic cancer, as has been mentioned on these boards. My sweet ole grandpa suffered that, when I was a kid. He stayed with us for a few months over his last winter, and, even though he was a really tough cookie, it looked to me to be an arduous, lengthy and tortuous ordeal to have to endure.

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Please read my Post #194, where I quoted Tyka and also posted the Video and listen closely to what she says. You can't make a sound decision when you don't have all the facts.

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Yes, she clearly said "Everyone knew" Prince was dying.......again, read my Post #194.

Ok, I went back in the thread and played the interview.

I'm sorry, but I don't seem to interpret it like you, so we will just have to disagree.

I think Tyka says 'anybody and everybody I COULD tell, he's dying'.

I interpret "everybody I could tell" as meaning 'those loved ones close to Prince that she is allowed to pass on the sad news to', bearing in mind Prince's prevalent penchant for privacy, coupled with the fact that Tyka works for him, as she herself has acknowledged by referring to him as her boss.

She actually does go on to qualify it later by saying that, 'he was preparing us, some of his closest friends'. I think Prince was allowing Tyka to pass on the sad news to his loved ones, to help them prepare themselves for his passing, and help them avoid suffering a nasty shock. At least that is how I am understanding it. I may be mistaken of course.

She also says that we all have got the 'story' regarding Prince's passing wrong and that she will clear up some misconceptions in her book, so presumably there is a lot more to this than any of us are currently aware, which kinda makes sense to me, as none of the proposed hypothoses seem to me to marry up entirely with some of the (seemingly) bizarre and somewhat confusing (at least to me) info.

I also disagree that there is anything amiss with her writing a book. In fact it is probably quite wise, as it will allow her time to gather her thoughts and choose her words carefully. Interviews are dangerous waters to navigate with persistent, aggressive interviewers to be faced (just ask Kirk), and every word & movement uber analysed here through oft critical and negative eyes.

It's disappointing to hear that she feels she has to defend herself against the utterly ludicrous allegations of foul play. She should never have been put in such a position, as it is extremely insulting and insensitive to her, though she handles the topic graciously and with good humor. Imho the only accusation that can be made against her is that she has protected Prince's privacy, which she is fully entitled to do, and no doubt simply reflects her deep love for and loyalty to Prince.

Ok, I'll admit the necklace and earrings strike me as slightly odd, but different folks deal with bereavement in different ways. Perhaps Prince even asked her to buy those items? Maybe they are something of a significant, personal and sentimental value that we are not privy to (nor should we be). Or it may even just be different strokes for different folks, as the song goes.

When I got the news, I went for a long walk by a river and then stayed and prayed a while in an old tiny (mercifully empty) church nearby. That probably seems equally as weird to plenty of folks as going for some retail therapy, but it helped me cope in the short term at least, even if it didn't necessarily benefit Prince or his loved ones.

I don't know Tyka at all...I've never met her, and (almost certainly) never will. I'm just like everybody else; I go with my instincts on people, and I believe her. To my eyes she has conducted herself well and with dignity, she clearly loves her brother dearly imho and I trust her that she is determined to do her best by Prince.

No doubt Tyka will be already be bearing a lot of responsibility and pressure, with a lot of work on her hands and important decisions to be made, so I feel our love and support may prove far more helpful than any cynical criticism. In any case, I'm grateful that there is another safe pair of hands to take care of Prince's affairs (alongside Kirk), and hopefully she has a strong, talented and dedicated supporting support cast to help her take care of business for her beloved brother, God-willing.

disch said:

I don't recall anything about "dehydration" causing the April 20 appointment. It was reported that he received an "intravenous treatment," but that could be anything. The info in the warrants, plus what we know about what was going on generally, strongly point to opioid withdrawal symptoms as the cause.

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After the plane OD, I think he saw the risk of his drug use and wanted to quit opioids (Judith Hill said that he "wanted to do the right th... his body.") and so he stopped, sending him into withdrawal.

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Whether or not he took the drugs prescribed April 20, I think the key thing is that he wouldn't have bothered going to the hospital, being examined, getting treated there, getting a script, etc if he planned on ending his life that night.

The bolded are surprisingly similar to my thoughts on this most sensitive, and gravest of topics.

Much like yourself, I don’t really follow why Prince would be making all the effort to go to the hospital during the day and go to Walgreens in the evening for a prescription (is that how you would look to spend some of your last few hours on Earth?), and agree to have professional help flown in from California the next morning, if he were planning to leave us that night. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

I suppose a possible proviso to that may be, if he were to have received some very traumatic news (say regarding his health?) later that evening after being dropped off at the Park, but I suppose that would be really stretching it at that late hour. For sure Will Smith would be unlikely to give him such devastating news.

In any case, I have to state that I find it well nigh impossible to reconcile Prince, a man who believed so powerfully in the sanctity of life that he wouldn’t eat anything with eyes , with the act of intentionally killing himself. That doesn’t quite add up for me, though of course I may be completely mistaken and/or deluding myself. Admittedly 2 ODs (albeit with unofficial pills incorrectly and as yet inexplicably labelled as run-of-the -mill pain killers) in a week makes for a potent argument to the contrary, I suppose.

GrayDorian said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Please read my Post #194, where I quoted Tyka and also posted the Video and listen closely to what she says. You can't make a sound decision when you don't have all the facts.

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Yes, she clearly said "Everyone knew" Prince was dying.......again, read my Post #194.

Ok, I went back in the thread and played the interview.

I'm sorry, but I don't seem to interpret it like you, so we will just have to disagree.

I think Tyka says 'anybody and everybody I COULD tell, he's dying'.

I interpret "everybody I could tell" as meaning 'those loved ones close to Prince that she is allowed to pass on the sad news to', bearing in mind Prince's prevalent penchant for privacy, coupled with the fact that Tyka works for him, as she herself has acknowledged by referring to him as her boss.

She actually does go on to qualify it later by saying that, 'he was preparing us, some of his closest friends'. I think Prince was allowing Tyka to pass on the sad news to his loved ones, to help them prepare themselves for his passing, and help them avoid suffering a nasty shock. At least that is how I am understanding it. I may be mistaken of course.

She also says that we all have got the 'story' regarding Prince's passing wrong and that she will clear up some misconceptions in her book, so presumably there is a lot more to this than any of us are currently aware, which kinda makes sense to me, as none of the proposed hypothoses seem to me to marry up entirely with some of the (seemingly) bizarre and somewhat confusing (at least to me) info.

I also disagree that there is anything amiss with her writing a book. In fact it is probably quite wise, as it will allow her time to gather her thoughts and choose her words carefully. Interviews are dangerous waters to navigate with persistent, aggressive interviewers to be faced (just ask Kirk), and every word & movement uber analysed here through oft critical and negative eyes.

It's disappointing to hear that she feels she has to defend herself against the utterly ludicrous allegations of foul play. She should never have been put in such a position, as it is extremely insulting and insensitive to her, though she handles the topic graciously and with good humor. Imho the only accusation that can be made against her is that she has protected Prince's privacy, which she is fully entitled to do, and no doubt simply reflects her deep love for and loyalty to Prince.

Ok, I'll admit the necklace and earrings strike me as slightly odd, but different folks deal with bereavement in different ways. Perhaps Prince even asked her to buy those items? Maybe they are something of a significant, personal and sentimental value that we are not privy to (nor should we be). Or it may even just be different strokes for different folks, as the song goes.

When I got the news, I went for a long walk by a river and then stayed and prayed a while in an old tiny (mercifully empty) church nearby. That probably seems equally as weird to plenty of folks as going for some retail therapy, but it helped me cope in the short term at least, even if it didn't necessarily benefit Prince or his loved ones.

I don't know Tyka at all...I've never met her, and (almost certainly) never will. I'm just like everybody else; I go with my instincts on people, and I believe her. To my eyes she has conducted herself well and with dignity, she clearly loves her brother dearly imho and I trust her that she is determined to do her best by Prince.

No doubt Tyka will be already be bearing a lot of responsibility and pressure, with a lot of work on her hands and important decisions to be made, so I feel our love and support may prove far more helpful than any cynical criticism. In any case, I'm grateful that there is another safe pair of hands to take care of Prince's affairs (alongside Kirk), and hopefully she has a strong, talented and dedicated supporting support cast to help her take care of business for her beloved brother, God-willing.

yes^^^^^^^

GrayDorian said:

disch said:

I don't recall anything about "dehydration" causing the April 20 appointment. It was reported that he received an "intravenous treatment," but that could be anything. The info in the warrants, plus what we know about what was going on generally, strongly point to opioid withdrawal symptoms as the cause.

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After the plane OD, I think he saw the risk of his drug use and wanted to quit opioids (Judith Hill said that he "wanted to do the right th... his body.") and so he stopped, sending him into withdrawal.

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Whether or not he took the drugs prescribed April 20, I think the key thing is that he wouldn't have bothered going to the hospital, being examined, getting treated there, getting a script, etc if he planned on ending his life that night.

The bolded are surprisingly similar to my thoughts on this most sensitive, and gravest of topics.

Much like yourself, I don’t really follow why Prince would be making all the effort to go to the hospital during the day and go to Walgreens in the evening for a prescription (is that how you would look to spend some of your last few hours on Earth?), and agree to have professional help flown in from California the next morning, if he were planning to leave us that night. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

I suppose a possible proviso to that may be, if he were to have received some very traumatic news (say regarding his health?) later that evening after being dropped off at the Park, but I suppose that would be really stretching it at that late hour. For sure Will Smith would be unlikely to give him such devastating news.

In any case, I have to state that I find it well nigh impossible to reconcile Prince, a man who believed so powerfully in the sanctity of life that he wouldn’t eat anything with eyes , with the act of intentionally killing himself. That doesn’t quite add up for me, though of course I may be completely mistaken and/or deluding myself. Admittedly 2 ODs (albeit with unofficial pills incorrectly and as yet inexplicably labelled as run-of-the -mill pain killers) in a week makes for a potent argument to the contrary, I suppose.

everything you said i feel and you summed up perfectly my feelings. and your view of the other possible side of the coin, mirror my own. Thx.

cloveringold85 said:

Menes said:

I would call what you think or believe happened ,an opinion, however "absurd" it may seem to me. But hey, make of it what you will.

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BECAUSE........knowing what I know about the case; Prince did not commit suicide. I stand firm in my belief and I will not waiver.

Well,you're probably the only one that could say that what you know about the case ,equals to "x", definitively. It's a bit strange that what you know about the case, is any different than what we know about the case because the innumerable amount of questions you ask , we have already answered time and time again. I am not sure how you concluded that what you believe as fact, (and nothing but the fact), negates suicide since the idea is merely an opinion however absurd it seems to you. Perhaps what you know, has a different meaning other than what one defines as an opinion because you have the "facts'.

Perhaps you have new information that we are not privy to? You should share it. I along with most , are speculating based upon the tidbits that we have. It's the best that we can do.

GrayDorian said:

Ok, I went back in the thread and played the interview.

I'm sorry, but I don't seem to interpret it like you, so we will just have to disagree.

I think Tyka says 'anybody and everybody I COULD tell, he's dying'.

I interpret "everybody I could tell" as meaning 'those loved ones close to Prince that she is allowed to pass on the sad news to', bearing in mind Prince's prevalent penchant for privacy, coupled with the fact that Tyka works for him, as she herself has acknowledged by referring to him as her boss.

She actually does go on to qualify it later by saying that, 'he was preparing us, some of his closest friends'. I think Prince was allowing Tyka to pass on the sad news to his loved ones, to help them prepare themselves for his passing, and help them avoid suffering a nasty shock. At least that is how I am understanding it. I may be mistaken of course.

She also says that we all have got the 'story' regarding Prince's passing wrong and that she will clear up some misconceptions in her book, so presumably there is a lot more to this than any of us are currently aware, which kinda makes sense to me, as none of the proposed hypothoses seem to me to marry up entirely with some of the (seemingly) bizarre and somewhat confusing (at least to me) info.

I also disagree that there is anything amiss with her writing a book. In fact it is probably quite wise, as it will allow her time to gather her thoughts and choose her words carefully. Interviews are dangerous waters to navigate with persistent, aggressive interviewers to be faced (just ask Kirk), and every word & movement uber analysed here through oft critical and negative eyes.

It's disappointing to hear that she feels she has to defend herself against the utterly ludicrous allegations of foul play. She should never have been put in such a position, as it is extremely insulting and insensitive to her, though she handles the topic graciously and with good humor. Imho the only accusation that can be made against her is that she has protected Prince's privacy, which she is fully entitled to do, and no doubt simply reflects her deep love for and loyalty to Prince.

Ok, I'll admit the necklace and earrings strike me as slightly odd, but different folks deal with bereavement in different ways. Perhaps Prince even asked her to buy those items? Maybe they are something of a significant, personal and sentimental value that we are not privy to (nor should we be). Or it may even just be different strokes for different folks, as the song goes.

When I got the news, I went for a long walk by a river and then stayed and prayed a while in an old tiny (mercifully empty) church nearby. That probably seems equally as weird to plenty of folks as going for some retail therapy, but it helped me cope in the short term at least, even if it didn't necessarily benefit Prince or his loved ones.

I don't know Tyka at all...I've never met her, and (almost certainly) never will. I'm just like everybody else; I go with my instincts on people, and I believe her. To my eyes she has conducted herself well and with dignity, she clearly loves her brother dearly imho and I trust her that she is determined to do her best by Prince.

No doubt Tyka will be already be bearing a lot of responsibility and pressure, with a lot of work on her hands and important decisions to be made, so I feel our love and support may prove far more helpful than any cynical criticism. In any case, I'm grateful that there is another safe pair of hands to take care of Prince's affairs (alongside Kirk), and hopefully she has a strong, talented and dedicated supporting support cast to help her take care of business for her beloved brother, God-willing.

This is very good and I also agree with the majority of it. Thanks for sharing your thoughts GrayDorian.

Menes said:

Well,you're probably the only one that could say that what you know about the case ,equals to "x", definitively. It's a bit strange that what you know about the case, is any different than what we know about the case because the innumerable amount of questions you ask , we have already answered time and time again. I am not sure how you concluded that what you believe as fact, (and nothing but the fact), negates suicide since the idea is merely an opinion however absurd it seems to you. Perhaps what you know, has a different meaning other than what one defines as an opinion because you have the "facts'.

Perhaps you have new information that we are not privy to? You should share it. I along with most , are speculating based upon the tidbits that we have. It's the best that we can do.

That's for sure. I am not going to pinpoint anyone by name, but there have been several who really never took part in any of the discussions or visited here and there but didn't really pay attention, then come along months later asking about things that have been thoroughly discussed too many times to count. I'd actually pretty much said the same in a response I'd written recently, but then decided to delete it. Because I didn't want to go over old territory yet again

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fortuneandserendipity said:

cloveringold85 said:.

I am just reiterating that Prince's death was "accidental", because the pills were mislabeled, thus why I don't believe he comitted suicide -- that is the point I was trying to make. It's just what I believe.

Whenever you say 'pills were mislabeled' you seem to give the impression they were mislabeled suspiciously. With malevolent intent. The term is misleading in that case. I think the better term would be 'counterfeit' - as in they were disguised, but known to the dealer and buyer. I do NOT believe Prince mistakenly took pills, not realizing they were fentanyl. The amount alleged to be in his bloodstream, for one, should discount that possibility.

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The word "mislabeled" comes from the warrants. That is how they worded it.

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The pills were marked as a weaker opioid, which would make it easy for someone to take them by accident.

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You don't have to agree with me, but this is how I feel about it.

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

No we don't know that. So quit your 'ALL speak'. Intentional overdose of fentanyl is something different from accidental OD, and in that scenario Prince knows exactly what he's doing. You are aware ALL of the illicit substances found at Paisley Park can be obtained from China over the net. (See phatphuk video). Besides, which person on earth who is smart takes fentanyl for bone pain? Are you actually saying Prince wasn't smart and didn't know what pills he was taking?

As to 'something else going on' yeah something else was going on in the mid-90s too. He looked really ill then.

" Intentional overdose of fentanyl is something different from accidental OD, and in that scenario Prince knows exactly what he's doing. "

It is something different. It is called suicide. And if you want to kill yourself you do know what you are doing.

If you have money you do not need to go to China and if anyone thinks the man that had his underware custom made was buying drugs from random people over the internet because he was not able to get it here at home from his own source does not really understand wealth and what you get with it. He was sitting on 40 million dollars in cash why would he have to go to the interent?

Femtanyl has been prescribed for bone pain. Tom Petty had an Rx for Fentenyl patches for his fractured hip. We have no evidence and neither did the ME that he was a long time user of Fentenyl and I do not think he was taking it for bone pain. I think he took to kill himself due to another kind of pain.

Wearing white make up and not eating is not the same as looking as if you are on death's door.

Many of us have told you multiple credible sources have said he had cancer. Why is this so hard to believe? It is almost as if some do not want to believe that Prince was human.

At any rate I do not believe he had a 65k in medical expenses from being in Moline and I do not think he told people to get their stuff out of Paisley Park because they might not get it later because he was going to rehab.

Tyka told you he could not be helped and we do not know the whole story the same thing a dozen other people have said. Why does this not register? Why is his family trying to sue for wrongful death? Are they looking for insurance money in China? Are they suing a local drug dealer. They are going after a doctor or hospital for substandard care and I doubt it is for prescription drugs unless the hospital was doling out the bad pills.

Just think about it for a minute.

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To the bolded: Tyka never said that.

zenarose said:

Re: 65k hospital bills In Oct. 2017 I was in ICU for 5 days and in a private room for 2 days In Dec. 2017 I was in ICU for 4 days and in a semi-private room for 3 days This includes being seen in ER each time. So far my bills have totaled over 72k and they are still coming. It would seem to me that Prince had some extensive treatment for his bill to be 65k. Like MRI's Pet Scan Ultra Sound Xray also if there was ambulance transport. I'm just pondering.....😕 My point is one ER visit = $65,000 ????? [Edited 3/19/18 14:45pm]

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Thanks for noting that, Zena. Hospital visits are VERY expensive, and it doesn't take long for the bills to add up. A few days in the hospital can easily amount to thousands of dollars.

Mumio said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

No we don't know that. So quit your 'ALL speak'. Intentional overdose of fentanyl is something different from accidental OD, and in that scenario Prince knows exactly what he's doing. You are aware ALL of the illicit substances found at Paisley Park can be obtained from China over the net. (See phatphuk video). Besides, which person on earth who is smart takes fentanyl for bone pain? Are you actually saying Prince wasn't smart and didn't know what pills he was taking?

As to 'something else going on' yeah something else was going on in the mid-90s too. He looked really ill then.

Lol, never mind. You aren't worth the time nor trouble to bother with

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It's funny that you decide to end a discussion just because someone has a difference of opinion.

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It's quite silly. Can we all be adults here and respect each other's opinions? The world is not black and white.....I live in color.

GrayDorian said:

cloveringold85 said:

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..........And, let us not forget that TMZ ran the story that Prince had died......TWO days before, on April 19th.

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It's almost like they knew he was about to die -- someone was feeding them stories.

Seriously?! That is absolutely bizarre. That could be the craziest yet, and to me there already seems to be some pretty weird aspects to Prince's passing.

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That's only the tip of the iceberg. There was a lot of strange things going on in the weeks and days before Prince died. People were posting on social media, predicting Prince would die soon. Reporters tweeted activity at PP, before the 911 Call was even made.....lots of weird shit.

GrayDorian said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Please read my Post #194, where I quoted Tyka and also posted the Video and listen closely to what she says. You can't make a sound decision when you don't have all the facts.

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Yes, she clearly said "Everyone knew" Prince was dying.......again, read my Post #194.

Ok, I went back in the thread and played the interview.

I'm sorry, but I don't seem to interpret it like you, so we will just have to disagree.

I think Tyka says 'anybody and everybody I COULD tell, he's dying'.

I interpret "everybody I could tell" as meaning 'those loved ones close to Prince that she is allowed to pass on the sad news to', bearing in mind Prince's prevalent penchant for privacy, coupled with the fact that Tyka works for him, as she herself has acknowledged by referring to him as her boss.

She actually does go on to qualify it later by saying that, 'he was preparing us, some of his closest friends'. I think Prince was allowing Tyka to pass on the sad news to his loved ones, to help them prepare themselves for his passing, and help them avoid suffering a nasty shock. At least that is how I am understanding it. I may be mistaken of course.

She also says that we all have got the 'story' regarding Prince's passing wrong and that she will clear up some misconceptions in her book, so presumably there is a lot more to this than any of us are currently aware, which kinda makes sense to me, as none of the proposed hypothoses seem to me to marry up entirely with some of the (seemingly) bizarre and somewhat confusing (at least to me) info.

I also disagree that there is anything amiss with her writing a book. In fact it is probably quite wise, as it will allow her time to gather her thoughts and choose her words carefully. Interviews are dangerous waters to navigate with persistent, aggressive interviewers to be faced (just ask Kirk), and every word & movement uber analysed here through oft critical and negative eyes.

It's disappointing to hear that she feels she has to defend herself against the utterly ludicrous allegations of foul play. She should never have been put in such a position, as it is extremely insulting and insensitive to her, though she handles the topic graciously and with good humor. Imho the only accusation that can be made against her is that she has protected Prince's privacy, which she is fully entitled to do, and no doubt simply reflects her deep love for and loyalty to Prince.

Ok, I'll admit the necklace and earrings strike me as slightly odd, but different folks deal with bereavement in different ways. Perhaps Prince even asked her to buy those items? Maybe they are something of a significant, personal and sentimental value that we are not privy to (nor should we be). Or it may even just be different strokes for different folks, as the song goes.

When I got the news, I went for a long walk by a river and then stayed and prayed a while in an old tiny (mercifully empty) church nearby. That probably seems equally as weird to plenty of folks as going for some retail therapy, but it helped me cope in the short term at least, even if it didn't necessarily benefit Prince or his loved ones.

I don't know Tyka at all...I've never met her, and (almost certainly) never will. I'm just like everybody else; I go with my instincts on people, and I believe her. To my eyes she has conducted herself well and with dignity, she clearly loves her brother dearly imho and I trust her that she is determined to do her best by Prince.

No doubt Tyka will be already be bearing a lot of responsibility and pressure, with a lot of work on her hands and important decisions to be made, so I feel our love and support may prove far more helpful than any cynical criticism. In any case, I'm grateful that there is another safe pair of hands to take care of Prince's affairs (alongside Kirk), and hopefully she has a strong, talented and dedicated supporting support cast to help her take care of business for her beloved brother, God-willing.

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I was sharing what Tyka had said; everyone can make what they will of it. I'm not looking to argue.

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I hope when she comes out with her book that she will explain things, fully. I hope she will tell us what he was dying from and if that was why he took illegal Fentanyl, and if she knew had had plan on comitting suicide, because that is what a lot of people think. Will she be honest and tell us he did, in fact commit suicide (if that is true)? That is yet to be seen.

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How can Tyka expect not to get criticism from anyone after the things she has said? A lot of people feel she is not being truthful and they are hurt. Maybe she should refrain from speaking to the media about Prince? If you are going to put stuff out there for all to see, then be prepared for questions.......that's all I'm saying.

I think a lot of that was just people gossiping and speculating about stuff that was in the news: his cancelling a concert due to illness (a very rare thing for him) and the Moline plane emergency,

cloveringold85 said:

GrayDorian said:

Seriously?! That is absolutely bizarre. That could be the craziest yet, and to me there already seems to be some pretty weird aspects to Prince's passing.

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That's only the tip of the iceberg. There was a lot of strange things going on in the weeks and days before Prince died. People were posting on social media, predicting Prince would die soon. Reporters tweeted activity at PP, before the 911 Call was even made.....lots of weird shit.

Menes said:

cloveringold85 said:

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BECAUSE........knowing what I know about the case; Prince did not commit suicide. I stand firm in my belief and I will not waiver.

Well,you're probably the only one that could say that what you know about the case ,equals to "x", definitively. It's a bit strange that what you know about the case, is any different than what we know about the case because the innumerable amount of questions you ask , we have already answered time and time again. I am not sure how you concluded that what you believe as fact, (and nothing but the fact), negates suicide since the idea is merely an opinion however absurd it seems to you. Perhaps what you know, has a different meaning other than what one defines as an opinion because you have the "facts'.

Perhaps you have new information that we are not privy to? You should share it. I along with most , are speculating based upon the tidbits that we have. It's the best that we can do.

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Did I say I have the "facts"? I never said that.

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When I say "knowing what I know about the case", is my personal beliefs, based on information I've researched, and the timeline from April 15th, up until April 21st........does not add-up to suicide. My opinion.......again, I did not say it was fact.

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

No we don't know that. So quit your 'ALL speak'. Intentional overdose of fentanyl is something different from accidental OD, and in that scenario Prince knows exactly what he's doing. You are aware ALL of the illicit substances found at Paisley Park can be obtained from China over the net. (See phatphuk video). Besides, which person on earth who is smart takes fentanyl for bone pain? Are you actually saying Prince wasn't smart and didn't know what pills he was taking?

As to 'something else going on' yeah something else was going on in the mid-90s too. He looked really ill then.

" Intentional overdose of fentanyl is something different from accidental OD, and in that scenario Prince knows exactly what he's doing. "

It is something different. It is called suicide. And if you want to kill yourself you do know what you are doing.

If you have money you do not need to go to China and if anyone thinks the man that had his underware custom made was buying drugs from random people over the internet because he was not able to get it here at home from his own source does not really understand wealth and what you get with it. He was sitting on 40 million dollars in cash why would he have to go to the interent?

Femtanyl has been prescribed for bone pain. Tom Petty had an Rx for Fentenyl patches for his fractured hip. We have no evidence and neither did the ME that he was a long time user of Fentenyl and I do not think he was taking it for bone pain. I think he took to kill himself due to another kind of pain.

Wearing white make up and not eating is not the same as looking as if you are on death's door.

Many of us have told you multiple credible sources have said he had cancer. Why is this so hard to believe? It is almost as if some do not want to believe that Prince was human.

At any rate I do not believe he had a 65k in medical expenses from being in Moline and I do not think he told people to get their stuff out of Paisley Park because they might not get it later because he was going to rehab.

Tyka told you he could not be helped and we do not know the whole story the same thing a dozen other people have said. Why does this not register? Why is his family trying to sue for wrongful death? Are they looking for insurance money in China? Are they suing a local drug dealer. They are going after a doctor or hospital for substandard care and I doubt it is for prescription drugs unless the hospital was doling out the bad pills.

Just think about it for a minute.

[Edited 3/19/18 13:41pm]

Good. You agree with me on something. Even if you think you didn't To reiterate, Prince wasn't stupid enough to overdose by mistake on pills, and we know he was careful because of quarter/half split pills that were found. But all those pills could be obtained from china over the web. Now, it may be that Prince didn't order them personally, but a dealer on his behalf probably did. It's widely acknowledged that a lot of fentanyl taken in US comes from China. It doesn't half feature regularly on UK ITN news, for instance, and the reports on the drug nearly always feature US cities. The problem is endemic. But whereas most of the victims have nearly nothing going for them, Prince's life was always about hope, optimism, and striving for a better life. Completely different mind state.

As regards cancer rumors, I wouldn't trust Chazz "gravy train" Smith or any of the family. And I wouldn't trust Tyka as far as I could throw her, which isn't very far, since she's often had a weight issue. She got well in shape for those media appearances. Yah. Oh yeah, I also have a Phd in 'advanced body moving' like the prince lyric, and I can tell genuine body language from incongrous, when I see it.

One last thought as I quote Bodhitheblackdog... 'Prince knew his drugs well'.

cloveringold85 said:

Mumio said:

Lol, never mind. You aren't worth the time nor trouble to bother with

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It's funny that you decide to end a discussion just because someone has a difference of opinion.

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It's quite silly. Can we all be adults here and respect each other's opinions? The world is not black and white.....I live in color.

Clover, my discussions with others have absolutely nothing to do with you so do not interfere. I don't really care what you think about these things.

Mumio said:

cloveringold85 said:

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It's funny that you decide to end a discussion just because someone has a difference of opinion.

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It's quite silly. Can we all be adults here and respect each other's opinions? The world is not black and white.....I live in color.

Clover, my discussions with others have absolutely nothing to do with you so do not interfere. I don't really care what you think about these things.

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Mumio: Umm, you replied to my post (read post reply #327).

disch said:

I think a lot of that was just people gossiping and speculating about stuff that was in the news: his cancelling a concert due to illness (a very rare thing for him) and the Moline plane emergency,

cloveringold85 said:

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That's only the tip of the iceberg. There was a lot of strange things going on in the weeks and days before Prince died. People were posting on social media, predicting Prince would die soon. Reporters tweeted activity at PP, before the 911 Call was even made.....lots of weird shit.

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I think someone was on his tail. TMZ broke the story of his death within an hour. They already had statements and the 911 Call.

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Someone who claimed to be close to Prince sold a story to the tabloids, stating that Prince had AIDS. Prince's family never made any statements about illness or AIDS, drugs or anything else, nor did they dispute those claims.

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After the Moline incident, Prince comes home and thows a party at PP. He made strange comments like thanking his doctor and "save your prayers".

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He was at the Dakota Jazz Club on the 19th, then two days later, he dies.

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Adonis claims that Prince was getting death threats and received 4 calls at PP.

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Prince dies just several days after his settlement with WB.

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A lot of weird stuff.

cloveringold85 said:

Mumio said:

Clover, my discussions with others have absolutely nothing to do with you so do not interfere. I don't really care what you think about these things.

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Mumio: Umm, you replied to my post (read post reply #327).

No, you are confused and said something to me in a post that was directed to Fortune...who had said something to me. You need to go back and look again.

See 316 Fortune's post

See 328 my response to Fortune

Then you responded on 341 to what he and I had said to each other. It didn't involve you.

[Edited 3/20/18 18:34pm]

Mumio said:

Menes said:

Well,you're probably the only one that could say that what you know about the case ,equals to "x", definitively. It's a bit strange that what you know about the case, is any different than what we know about the case because the innumerable amount of questions you ask , we have already answered time and time again. I am not sure how you concluded that what you believe as fact, (and nothing but the fact), negates suicide since the idea is merely an opinion however absurd it seems to you. Perhaps what you know, has a different meaning other than what one defines as an opinion because you have the "facts'.

Perhaps you have new information that we are not privy to? You should share it. I along with most , are speculating based upon the tidbits that we have. It's the best that we can do.

That's for sure. I am not going to pinpoint anyone by name, but there have been several who really never took part in any of the discussions or visited here and there but didn't really pay attention, then come along months later asking about things that have been thoroughly discussed too many times to count. I'd actually pretty much said the same in a response I'd written recently, but then decided to delete it. Because I didn't want to go over old territory yet again

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Mumio said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Mumio: Umm, you replied to my post (read post reply #327).

No, you are confused and said something to me in a post that was directed to Fortune...who had said something to me. You need to go back and look again.

See 316 Fortune's post

See 328 my response to Fortune

Then you responded on 341 to what he and I had said to each other. It didn't involve you.

[Edited 3/20/18 18:34pm]

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Okay, sorry. I won't interrupt your conversations again.

cloveringold85 said:

disch said:

What’s the significance of this — do you think he was murders? cloveringold85 said:

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I think someone was on his tail. TMZ broke the story of his death within an hour. They already had statements and the 911 Call.

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Someone who claimed to be close to Prince sold a story to the tabloids, stating that Prince had AIDS. Prince's family never made any statements about illness or AIDS, drugs or anything else, nor did they dispute those claims.

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After the Moline incident, Prince comes home and thows a party at PP. He made strange comments like thanking his doctor and "save your prayers".

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He was at the Dakota Jazz Club on the 19th, then two days later, he dies.

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Adonis claims that Prince was getting death threats and received 4 calls at PP.

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Prince dies just several days after his settlement with WB.

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A lot of weird stuff.

Mulefunk's book, specifically chapter 3, lays out the entire case for murder. "The man", Wb and Prince", sums it all up.

Menes said:

Menes said:

disch said:

What’s the significance of this — do you think he was murders? cloveringold85 said:

Mulefunk's book, specifically chapter 3, lays out the entire case for murder. "The man", Wb and Prince", sums it all up.

Is Mulefunk's book out? And if it is where we can we find it? Also, mulefunk has said that according to close family members Prince had leukemia....

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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..........And, let us not forget that TMZ ran the story that Prince had died......TWO days before, on April 19th.

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It's almost like they knew he was about to die -- someone was feeding them stories.

Somebody from inside his organization or an associate was definity providing information. From those pics of him at the Walgreens to Dr. Funkenberry saying he got confirmation of Prince's death directly from Harvey Levin.

The fact that Meron and Kirk hit their cellphones makes them suspect as well.

It is absolutely bizarre really though, isn't it? Reporting Prince's death two days prior to his passing?

I can't help but wonder if the bolded above may be the traitor to whom Prince was referring to, when he reportedly warned Apples about a 'jubilant Judas' (which presumably would suggest a man?). I don't believe that 'foul play' was involved in Prince's passing (may yet be proved wrong tho), but this sadly looks as though there may have been some equally foul, vile selling-out of Prince to the gutter press. Yuck!

Personally I don't think of Meron or Kirk as remotely 'suspect', just because they didn't want to hand over their cellphones. I just think that his nearest and dearest are understandably looking to protect Prince's privacy.

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

" Intentional overdose of fentanyl is something different from accidental OD, and in that scenario Prince knows exactly what he's doing. "

It is something different. It is called suicide. And if you want to kill yourself you do know what you are doing.

If you have money you do not need to go to China and if anyone thinks the man that had his underware custom made was buying drugs from random people over the internet because he was not able to get it here at home from his own source does not really understand wealth and what you get with it. He was sitting on 40 million dollars in cash why would he have to go to the interent?

Femtanyl has been prescribed for bone pain. Tom Petty had an Rx for Fentenyl patches for his fractured hip. We have no evidence and neither did the ME that he was a long time user of Fentenyl and I do not think he was taking it for bone pain. I think he took to kill himself due to another kind of pain.

Wearing white make up and not eating is not the same as looking as if you are on death's door.

Many of us have told you multiple credible sources have said he had cancer. Why is this so hard to believe? It is almost as if some do not want to believe that Prince was human.

At any rate I do not believe he had a 65k in medical expenses from being in Moline and I do not think he told people to get their stuff out of Paisley Park because they might not get it later because he was going to rehab.

Tyka told you he could not be helped and we do not know the whole story the same thing a dozen other people have said. Why does this not register? Why is his family trying to sue for wrongful death? Are they looking for insurance money in China? Are they suing a local drug dealer. They are going after a doctor or hospital for substandard care and I doubt it is for prescription drugs unless the hospital was doling out the bad pills.

Just think about it for a minute.

[Edited 3/19/18 13:41pm]

Good. You agree with me on something. Even if you think you didn't To reiterate, Prince wasn't stupid enough to overdose by mistake on pills, and we know he was careful because of quarter/half split pills that were found. But all those pills could be obtained from china over the web. Now, it may be that Prince didn't order them personally, but a dealer on his behalf probably did. It's widely acknowledged that a lot of fentanyl taken in US comes from China. It doesn't half feature regularly on UK ITN news, for instance, and the reports on the drug nearly always feature US cities. The problem is endemic. But whereas most of the victims have nearly nothing going for them, Prince's life was always about hope, optimism, and striving for a better life. Completely different mind state.

As regards cancer rumors, I wouldn't trust Chazz "gravy train" Smith or any of the family. And I wouldn't trust Tyka as far as I could throw her, which isn't very far, since she's often had a weight issue. She got well in shape for those media appearances. Yah. Oh yeah, I also have a Phd in 'advanced body moving' like the prince lyric, and I can tell genuine body language from incongrous, when I see it.

One last thought as I quote Bodhitheblackdog... 'Prince knew his drugs well'.

Hmmm, so you are a qualified psychologist? I'm curious about your assertion about your ability to discern that Tyka is untrustworthy (clearly Prince didn't think so, and he's her brother after all).

I vaguely remember watching a documentary on TV with supposedly some of the best body language readers that worked with the cops being put to the test. Admittedly, I do wonder whether the dice were loaded (eg. the interviewees may have been coached), but the experts performance in the show was pretty unconvincing to say the least.

If I recall, they were scoring pretty low throughout most of the show, and I couldn't help but think that I could probably score close to 50%, flicking a coin. If you are really that good at it, maybe you should give them a call.

Joking aside, I've gotta say that taking a dig at Tyka about her weight seems to me like a pretty cheap shot. It's a constant, unwanted battle for many folks, and I'm sure you are only too aware that women in particular are often very sensitive about their weight. I suspect that the media's portrayal of wafer thin women as an ideal probably doesn't help much.

Anyway, I'm a big ole heffalump (tho sadly not nearly as cute), and the next time I catches ya dissing Tyka's weight, I'm gonna come over there and sit on ya! Squish!

Mumio said:

Menes said:

Well,you're probably the only one that could say that what you know about the case ,equals to "x", definitively. It's a bit strange that what you know about the case, is any different than what we know about the case because the innumerable amount of questions you ask , we have already answered time and time again. I am not sure how you concluded that what you believe as fact, (and nothing but the fact), negates suicide since the idea is merely an opinion however absurd it seems to you. Perhaps what you know, has a different meaning other than what one defines as an opinion because you have the "facts'.

Perhaps you have new information that we are not privy to? You should share it. I along with most , are speculating based upon the tidbits that we have. It's the best that we can do.

That's for sure. I am not going to pinpoint anyone by name, but there have been several who really never took part in any of the discussions or visited here and there but didn't really pay attention, then come along months later asking about things that have been thoroughly discussed too many times to count. I'd actually pretty much said the same in a response I'd written recently, but then decided to delete it. Because I didn't want to go over old territory yet again

[Edited 3/20/18 11:51am]

Ok, I'm guilty of that, I suppose. It's hard for a slowpoke like me to keep up sometimes.

I haven't followed the estate thread since it moved onto the second page, so I know I've been trying Laura's patience once or twice, albeit completely unintentionally.

For example, until quite recently I wasn't aware that a bank is still continuing to run the estate, nor had I previously been under the impression that 'SNJ' (as she refers to the elder sibs...somehow makes me think of a hydra, eek! ) have a tendancy perhaps to be somewhat difficult/obstructive.

If I'm am inadvertently annoying you by my ignorance of the some of the key facts that you may already have discussed ad nauseam, I aplogize. Please feel free to ignore completely any such posts.