ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

I think she is shady...she (and the rest of the clan) don't just want his money, they want his life, but Tyka & co. you ain't prince and the cryptic mysterious nonsense does not work for you. Remember what prince told Manuela..."This is not a standard of living that can be recreated with money"...and I think this applies to all of them as well. Stop with the weird self indulgent boring music stuff, stop the stupid cryptic insinuations about how close you all were to prince, stop the ridiculous t.v. Show cameos, and stop pretending you know anything about his estate, his vault, or his fans...please respectfully tell us in 3 sentences what happened, like Tom Petty's family did on day 1...or sit down and wait for your millions...So over all of them...and why do they all have to giggle while giving interviews about their dead love one...bluuuuck

Tom Petty's family NEVER explained why Tom had BOTH legal fentanyl and illegal (street) fentanyl in his system.

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that^^^^

disch said:

Sorry, no. Percocet isn't "what's stated"; it's what Kirk stated, in a speculative way, to the hospital staff, and the warrant is phrased in such a way to make that attribution verey clear. Kirk's speculation is not the same as an authoritative confirmation.

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You're correct that the doctor did not specify fentanyl; the doctor only specified "opioid," of which fentanyl is one, as are many other drugs. So we don't know what opioid is was.

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My personal opinion is, there's a good chance it was fentanyl and it got into him the same way that the fentanyl that killed him a week later did (in a laced counterfeit pill). The reason I think that is because it seems less likely that he ODed twice on opioids, so close together, but on totally different opioids. It seems likely to me the 2 incidents are connected.

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That is my opinion based on what scant info is publicly available. I'm not interested in discussing it with you further because this has all been hashed over and until more facts become public, there's nothing new to add, and I don't really care if your opinion about this is the same as mine.

laurarichardson said:

Morgaine said: —-It does not matter that Kirk said it. Percocet is what is stated and no where does it say Fentanyl. No evidence whatsoever that his problems in Moline were due to Fentanyl.

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i hold this opinion too.^^^. that is was a gigantic perfect storm of mistakes.

disch said:

Yes! Thank you. That one's a good read too: "The solution [to addiction] isn’t simple. We must first recognize that drugs don’t really cause addiction; they are simply a tool to temporarily relieve symptoms. We must identify and address the underlying pain and suffering. We must show a lot more compassion and a lot less judgment toward people with addiction."

Morgaine said:

disch said: This one? https://www.statnews.com/...-overdose/

[Edited 3/15/18 13:11pm]

What do you think might have been the solution to his join pain or any other health issues he may of had?

laurarichardson said:

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Public Policy Statement: Definition of Addiction

Short Definition of Addiction:

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Addiction is a primary, chronic disease of brain reward, motivation, memory and related circuitry. Dysfunction in these circuits leads to characteristic biological, psychological, social and spiritual manifestations. This is reflected in an individual pathologically pursuing reward and/or relief by substance use and other behaviors.

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Addiction is characterized by inability to consistently abstain, impairment in behavioral control, craving, diminished recognition of significant problems with one’s behaviors and interpersonal relationships, and a dysfunctional emotional response. Like other chronic diseases, addiction often involves cycles of relapse and remission. Without treatment or engagement in recovery activities, addiction is progressive and can result in disability or premature death.

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https://www.asam.org/reso...-addiction

Don't you think that might have been the case with Prince. We know that he had some hip procedure around 2009/2010. He would have been prescribed pain meds and possiblity some PT.

I think with all the addiction talk the root cause of his issues get lost in the sauce. You have by all account two years after his death an extremly hard working and discipline person. We must have dozens of people saying they could not keep up with him and he seemed to relish running people into the ground.

I firmly believe his issues were health driven. I suspect that this wrongful death suit if it gets off the ground will reveal more about what was going on with his health.

disch said:

A treatment plan administered by a well qualified doctor. I imagine that plan might include drugs, surgery, physical therapy etc. A doctor would make that assessment and monitor the plan to make sure it was working for him. laurarichardson said:

What do you think might have been the solution to his join pain or any other health issues he may of had?

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Laurarichardson said:

said:

laurarichardson said:

disch said:

I believe it is about addiction. I believe if he had been able to resolve his addiction, the events that led to his accidental death would not have happened. I do not believe any other health issues, If he had them, were terminal in themselves. I believe if he could have conquered his addiction, any other health issues could have been addressed by a good doctor. laurarichardson said:

This is not about addiction this is about his overall health. We have no information on how long he was seeing Dr.S or any other doctor. I believe Orince used alias for treatment and meds. I am not even sure if he used multiple aliases If the police would be able to figure it out. Do you really think he just started using an alias with Dr.S? said:

Thanks for stating this so powerfully, logically and definitively.. I agree with about 97 per cent of it....I'm not so sure about the accidental part...but even if it were an intentional act; I believe the desire to check out was driven by addiction, despair and humiliation.

disch said:

if, in his final year(s), he was receiving ongoing treatment for some longer-term condition from a well-qualified doctor, we have no information about that. No doctor other than dr s was mentioned in the warrants, and his relationship with dr s consisted only of a couple appointments in April 2016, as far as the info made public reveals. - That doesn’t mean he didn’t have other health issues, just that if he did, we have no info that we was getting proper professional treatment for them in his last year. - I know your opinion about addiction. You’ve repeated it many times. You believe someone either had underlying health issues OR is addicted. You believe both cannot be true at the same tome.I disageee; actually most addicts have underlying health issues. Some of those issues are physical, some are mental/emotional, some are a combination. - You believe saying someone is addicted is the same as saying they are a morally corrupt person. I disagree. I don’t pass moral judgment on people with this problem.i think they deserve help and compassion. You don’t believe that. You believe help and compassion should only be offered if they have certain physical pain issues. - I’m not interested in rehashing this with you. I just do not agree with your conservative point of view and I don’t even think it makes logical sense. (You also believe he committed suicide due to terminal pancreatic cancer, so your position gets even more confusing.) If you want to dig into this, I suggest reading some of the many many old threads where this was talked about as nauseum. - Laurarichardson said:

Don't you think that might have been the case with Prince. We know that he had some hip procedure around 2009/2010. He would have been prescribed pain meds and possiblity some PT.

I think with all the addiction talk the root cause of his issues get lost in the sauce. You have by all account two years after his death an extremly hard working and discipline person. We must have dozens of people saying they could not keep up with him and he seemed to relish running people into the ground.

I firmly believe his issues were health driven. I suspect that this wrongful death suit if it gets off the ground will reveal more about what was going on with his health.

[Edited 3/16/18 14:22pm]

Disch:

You forgot to mention that she thinks addiction is a curable illness, which it isn’t and that it can be handled by will power alone, which also isn’t necessarily true.

I also don’t need or want a response by Laura Richardson refuting my statements because her opinions aren’t facts. I have provided the link below again to the Mayo Clinic that provides an explanation, etc. of addiction.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/drug-addiction/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20365113

cloveringold85 said:

GrayDorian said:

I agree with your bolded remarks. Tyka has already kindly shared with us that Prince was seriously ill for 2-3 years prior to his passing. I am having a hard time relating to why some folks seem reluctant to believe her. The fact that she may seem a tad eccentric to some in no way diminishes her credibility to me.

IMHO she is fully entitled not to submit to any pressure to share specific details of his illness, especially if Prince did not wish her to. However, if that is not the case and she decides it is in Prince's best interests to reveal more details in her book, that is entirely her prerogative.


She clearly loves her brother and has conducted herself with dignity. I think that her love for and loyalty to Prince is surely a testament to her character, rather than to its detriment.

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Do you believe someone who keeps changing their story?

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Tyka claims she told "everyone", yet no one seems to know Prince was dying.

Yes, I believe her. I have no doubts as to her integrity or the veracity of her ‘story’, as you put it.

I don’t really get why some folks here are so skeptical as to her word. Prince is her beloved brother after all. I cannot even imagine why some here think she would lie to us fans about such a serious matter regarding Prince.

I have to admit though that I don’t follow social media or TV interviews avidly, so I am not entirely sure what you mean by ‘changing her story’.

If perhaps that refers to her initial reference to 2 years becoming 3 years, I just interpret that as meaning that Prince was seriously ill for 3 years, and he informed her of this a year later.

However, it could also possibly refer to about a year having passed between Tyka giving those two interviews. I’m not sure and it’s no biggie to me.

I haven’t seen an interview in which Tyka claimed to have ‘told everyone’, as you put it. If she said that on record, presumably she meant 'everyone that Prince loves', and simply forgot to qualify it. Prince, being of a very private nature, is not likely to want to share his sad news with anyone he isn’t really close to, or doesn’t love and trust.

My memory is very poor, but I vaguely recall something about her being given an email by Prince to pass on (possibly to Andre?) that indicated his sad predicament. I don’t think that it’s unfeasible that she may have been given a list of loved ones to inform.

Once again, I believe Tyka. She clearly loves her brother and has conducted herself well since his passing, so I can see no reason not to believe her. Tyka has been gracious enough to pass on the sad news that Prince was seriously ill over a few years prior to his passing, and I am grateful to her for sharing that with us.

I can’t help feeling though that the finer details as to what was ailing him aren’t any of our business. I sincerely hope that it wasn’t pancreatic cancer, as has been mentioned on these boards. My sweet ole grandpa suffered that, when I was a kid. He stayed with us for a few months over his last winter, and, even though he was a really tough cookie, it looked to me to be an arduous, lengthy and tortuous ordeal to have to endure.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

disch said:

I believe it is about addiction. I believe if he had been able to resolve his addiction, the events that led to his accidental death would not have happened. I do not believe any other health issues, If he had them, were terminal in themselves. I believe if he could have conquered his addiction, any other health issues could have been addressed by a good doctor. laurarichardson said:

Thanks for stating this so powerfully, logically and definitively.. I agree with about 97 per cent of it....I'm not so sure about the accidental part...but even if it were an intentional act; I believe the desire to check out was driven by addiction, despair and humiliation.

Bod, thanks for summing that up in no uncertain terms! Unequivocally , that event in Moline was the most disastrous event in his life. There is no way he had an out for what was now public information.

For someone who had such a massive ego, (and incessant pronouncements against all things "drugs") , the hypocrisy was far too much of a bridge to mend. You can tell by is behavior after the fact that he was attempting to change the narrative as if it was merely a trivial matter of no consequence. In trying to do so, the internal tug-o-war between what he says and what he was doing ensued. Coupling that "war" with withdrawals, makes for a perfect suicidal storm.

Some would have rather him pass thru some eternal hall of shame or rot away at PP just to soothe their own selfish thoughts of what Prince should or should not be. It's as if they believe that Prince's brain was wired differently from any other brain when dealing with addiction. No matter how much the science refutes such an ignorant position, there will always be that one outlier who would rather build a house in a pool of quicksand. Thank goodness a majority of us on this forum have the intellectual capacity to understand the power and science of addiction.

Dependency or not, the music lives own for those of us who are his fans.

Menes said:

Menes said:

Bod, thanks for summing that up in no uncertain terms! Unequivocally , that event in Moline was the most disastrous event in his life. There is no way he had an out for what was now public information.

For someone who had such a massive ego, (and incessant pronouncements against all things "drugs") , the hypocrisy was far too much of a bridge to mend. You can tell by is behavior after the fact that he was attempting to change the narrative as if it was merely a trivial matter of no consequence. In trying to do so, the internal tug-o-war between what he says and what he was doing ensued. Coupling that "war" with withdrawals, makes for a perfect suicidal storm.

Some would have rather him pass thru some eternal hall of shame or rot away at PP just to soothe their own selfish thoughts of what Prince should or should not be. It's as if they believe that Prince's brain was wired differently from any other brain when dealing with addiction. No matter how much the science refutes such an ignorant position, there will always be that one outlier who would rather build a house in a pool of quicksand. Thank goodness a majority of us on this forum have the intellectual capacity to understand the power and science of addiction.

Dependency or not, the music lives own for those of us who are his fans.

He didn't have to give in and kill himself on purpose. All he had to do was reach out and ask for help. Nobody else would have known if he went to rehab, it could've stayed hush, hush. But alas, it all leads back to ego, as you've said. Such a sad end to one of the greatest artists of all time.

disch said:

I don’t believe his addiction was a hopeless situation and that the only options for dealing with it were eternal shame or rotting away at pp. recovery from addiction was and is possible. He just didn’t accept the help he needed in time. Menes said:

Bod, thanks for summing that up in no uncertain terms! Unequivocally , that event in Moline was the most disastrous event in his life. There is no way he had an out for what was now public information.

For someone who had such a massive ego, (and incessant pronouncements against all things "drugs") , the hypocrisy was far too much of a bridge to mend. You can tell by is behavior after the fact that he was attempting to change the narrative as if it was merely a trivial matter of no consequence. In trying to do so, the internal tug-o-war between what he says and what he was doing ensued. Coupling that "war" with withdrawals, makes for a perfect suicidal storm.

Some would have rather him pass thru some eternal hall of shame or rot away at PP just to soothe their own selfish thoughts of what Prince should or should not be. It's as if they believe that Prince's brain was wired differently from any other brain when dealing with addiction. No matter how much the science refutes such an ignorant position, there will always be that one outlier who would rather build a house in a pool of quicksand. Thank goodness a majority of us on this forum have the intellectual capacity to understand the power and science of addiction.

Dependency or not, the music lives own for those of us who are his fans.

Me thinks you misunderstood the post. "eternal shame" : as in, it would be contra to what that humongous ego would have allowed. If one believes Prince would have gone through all of the mechanics of rehab/counseling/therapy and exposure, then Prince is surely misunderstood.

Secondly,"rot in PP" refers to those who believe he was terminally ill and would therefore rather have him just sit @ PP until some magic light bulb went off in his head that would have prompted him to seek appropriate/professional help. If he knew before he took the pills in Moline , he surely knew APril 21st that he was terminally ill.


Further, how many different ways do they want him to die? If you are terminally ill and have refused medical attention,or, have chosen to self-medicate with substances normally associated with overdosing, you will fair no better than a cadaver at some point ( in the case of being terminally ill), or, you would have overdosed at PP (from self medicating). There are no other alternative pathways to death with these scenarios.

I find the scenario of "controlling how you die", a most content way to pass on over if he was struggling with either addiction,a terminal illness ,or a combination of both that he thought was beyond help. In the end, we cant measure his burden.It is his cross . He's surely not worried about it. In the meantime, we are left to ponder. Don't we have enough to remember him in a positive light? I think true fans do.

I know what the topic is in this forum, but: does anyone know when Prince moved back to PP once and for all? I read that it was about 2009 or 2010. He didn't live in any other homes (except on vacation or on tour) - he stayed in Chanhassen. I ask because it was rumored his hip surgery/procedure was about that time; after that, he never left. It seems everything we are talking about started in that time frame.

Menes said:

disch said:

I don’t believe his addiction was a hopeless situation and that the only options for dealing with it were eternal shame or rotting away at pp. recovery from addiction was and is possible. He just didn’t accept the help he needed in time. Menes said:

Me thinks you misunderstood the post. "eternal shame" : as in, it would be contra to what that humongous ego would have allowed. If one believes Prince would have gone through all of the mechanics of rehab/counseling/therapy and exposure, then Prince is surely misunderstood.

Secondly,"rot in PP" refers to those who believe he was terminally ill and would therefore rather have him just sit @ PP until some magic light bulb went off in his head that would have prompted him to seek appropriate/professional help. If he knew before he took the pills in Moline , he surely knew APril 21st that he was terminally ill.


Further, how many different ways do they want him to die? If you are terminally ill and have refused medical attention,or, have chosen to self-medicate with substances normally associated with overdosing, you will fair no better than a cadaver at some point ( in the case of being terminally ill), or, you would have overdosed at PP (from self medicating). There are no other alternative pathways to death with these scenarios.

I find the scenario of "controlling how you die", a most content way to pass on over if he was struggling with either addiction,a terminal illness ,or a combination of both that he thought was beyond help. In the end, we cant measure his burden.It is his cross . He's surely not worried about it. In the meantime, we are left to ponder. Don't we have enough to remember him in a positive light? I think true fans do.

Yes, Menes, thank you for this sacred and all-emcompassing reminder. On another, related, note (it's not so easy keeping all the flavors/opinions on this thread sorted out!), I was speaking recently with a physician, who is coincidentally in recovery for opoid addiction (a LIFETIME status/challenge for those of you who think one can cure themselves via willpower, etc) and this man pointed out that ANY ethical physician has a legal and professional responsibility to be available to a patient 24/7 (obviously not in the flesh, but via a message service) if that physician has written scripts of any kind for that patient.

So,it raises the vision of both MJ and Elvis who finally figured out they needed their own doctor on the payroll if the drug spigot was to remain open. In Prince's situation, while he could have gone to a legit physician for his pain...any legit physician would have seen that he had become dependant on opiods and therefore would have recommended rehab and would have declined to write more Rx's...so Prince and his enabling crew turned to street drugs.

Prince, IMO, was incapable of reaching out and accepting help, admitting he had a problem...I mean his whole personna was an ongoing cry that he didn't trust anybody and had abandonment issues...in the end, he didn't even trust himself to be truthful about the world of trouble he was in and the final abandonment in his storied life came from himself.

Some lessons: fear kills, love nourishes and enables, your ego is not necessarily your friend,people NEED true love in their lives to live an authentic life....and no one here gets out alive. So while you're here...love is where it's at.JMO...

I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that suicide is the "most content way to die" when facing a condition that can be overcome, like addiction. I get that Prince had a big ego and was reluctant to admit powerlessness or accept help, but if his self-perception was such that he intentionally chose death rather than help to overcome his problem, then that's an awful tragedy.

Menes said:

disch said:

I don’t believe his addiction was a hopeless situation and that the only options for dealing with it were eternal shame or rotting away at pp. recovery from addiction was and is possible. He just didn’t accept the help he needed in time. Menes said:

Me thinks you misunderstood the post. "eternal shame" : as in, it would be contra to what that humongous ego would have allowed. If one believes Prince would have gone through all of the mechanics of rehab/counseling/therapy and exposure, then Prince is surely misunderstood.

Secondly,"rot in PP" refers to those who believe he was terminally ill and would therefore rather have him just sit @ PP until some magic light bulb went off in his head that would have prompted him to seek appropriate/professional help. If he knew before he took the pills in Moline , he surely knew APril 21st that he was terminally ill.


Further, how many different ways do they want him to die? If you are terminally ill and have refused medical attention,or, have chosen to self-medicate with substances normally associated with overdosing, you will fair no better than a cadaver at some point ( in the case of being terminally ill), or, you would have overdosed at PP (from self medicating). There are no other alternative pathways to death with these scenarios.

I find the scenario of "controlling how you die", a most content way to pass on over if he was struggling with either addiction,a terminal illness ,or a combination of both that he thought was beyond help. In the end, we cant measure his burden.It is his cross . He's surely not worried about it. In the meantime, we are left to ponder. Don't we have enough to remember him in a positive light? I think true fans do.

disch said:

I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that suicide is the "most content way to die" when facing a condition that can be overcome, like addiction. I get that Prince had a big ego and was reluctant to admit powerlessness or accept help, but if his self-perception was such that he intentionally chose death rather than help to overcome his problem, then that's an awful tragedy.

Menes said:

Me thinks you misunderstood the post. "eternal shame" : as in, it would be contra to what that humongous ego would have allowed. If one believes Prince would have gone through all of the mechanics of rehab/counseling/therapy and exposure, then Prince is surely misunderstood.

Secondly,"rot in PP" refers to those who believe he was terminally ill and would therefore rather have him just sit @ PP until some magic light bulb went off in his head that would have prompted him to seek appropriate/professional help. If he knew before he took the pills in Moline , he surely knew APril 21st that he was terminally ill.


Further, how many different ways do they want him to die? If you are terminally ill and have refused medical attention,or, have chosen to self-medicate with substances normally associated with overdosing, you will fair no better than a cadaver at some point ( in the case of being terminally ill), or, you would have overdosed at PP (from self medicating). There are no other alternative pathways to death with these scenarios.

I find the scenario of "controlling how you die", a most content way to pass on over if he was struggling with either addiction,a terminal illness ,or a combination of both that he thought was beyond help. In the end, we cant measure his burden.It is his cross . He's surely not worried about it. In the meantime, we are left to ponder. Don't we have enough to remember him in a positive light? I think true fans do.

I agree, disch, that's what adds layer upon layer of grief to his passing...BUT while addiction can be dealt with, my understanding is that's it's a lifetime process/commitment with occasional slips that I think to someone like Prince would have been seen as a devestating failure.

To this point, I think as he was already struggling to try to wean himself from drugs, he experienced failure on the regular, and it wore down his resolve to stop and his confidence in his 'powers' to control his life which had been the core of his personality (along with control and abandonment issues).

As to 'choosing' death...does it help a bit if we think of it as Prince choosing to go out while he still looked, mostly, like the glorious, sexy, sweet mack he had been since he was 18? He didn't want to be old, sick, not sexy Prince....I can dig it.

I thought it was a couple years prior -- his Galpin house was torn down in 2005, and I know he was basically living in an LA rental until around 2006, and he had his Vegas residency through the following year. So perhaps it was around 2007?

1Sasha said:

I know what the topic is in this forum, but: does anyone know when Prince moved back to PP once and for all? I read that it was about 2009 or 2010. He didn't live in any other homes (except on vacation or on tour) - he stayed in Chanhassen. I ask because it was rumored his hip surgery/procedure was about that time; after that, he never left. It seems everything we are talking about started in that time frame.

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

disch said:

I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that suicide is the "most content way to die" when facing a condition that can be overcome, like addiction. I get that Prince had a big ego and was reluctant to admit powerlessness or accept help, but if his self-perception was such that he intentionally chose death rather than help to overcome his problem, then that's an awful tragedy.

Menes said:

Me thinks you misunderstood the post. "eternal shame" : as in, it would be contra to what that humongous ego would have allowed. If one believes Prince would have gone through all of the mechanics of rehab/counseling/therapy and exposure, then Prince is surely misunderstood.

Secondly,"rot in PP" refers to those who believe he was terminally ill and would therefore rather have him just sit @ PP until some magic light bulb went off in his head that would have prompted him to seek appropriate/professional help. If he knew before he took the pills in Moline , he surely knew APril 21st that he was terminally ill.


Further, how many different ways do they want him to die? If you are terminally ill and have refused medical attention,or, have chosen to self-medicate with substances normally associated with overdosing, you will fair no better than a cadaver at some point ( in the case of being terminally ill), or, you would have overdosed at PP (from self medicating). There are no other alternative pathways to death with these scenarios.

I find the scenario of "controlling how you die", a most content way to pass on over if he was struggling with either addiction,a terminal illness ,or a combination of both that he thought was beyond help. In the end, we cant measure his burden.It is his cross . He's surely not worried about it. In the meantime, we are left to ponder. Don't we have enough to remember him in a positive light? I think true fans do.

Maybe we are assuimg that he wanted to overcome. Some people do get tired of trying whether it be a terminal illness or addiction. It was his burden. Who knows how heavy it was? POint remians, it was his choice to go out however he wished. I certainly don't believe he wanted to deal with the continuing aftermath of either once it reached a point of hopelessness.

disch said:

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

I know what the topic is in this forum, but: does anyone know when Prince moved back to PP once and for all? I read that it was about 2009 or 2010. He didn't live in any other homes (except on vacation or on tour) - he stayed in Chanhassen. I ask because it was rumored his hip surgery/procedure was about that time; after that, he never left. It seems everything we are talking about started in that time frame.

——Yes, you are correct.

Thank you, LR.

disch said:

Yes! Thank you. That one's a good read too: "The solution [to addiction] isn’t simple. We must first recognize that drugs don’t really cause addiction; they are simply a tool to temporarily relieve symptoms. We must identify and address the underlying pain and suffering. We must show a lot more compassion and a lot less judgment toward people with addiction."

Morgaine said:

disch said: This one? https://www.statnews.com/...-overdose/

[Edited 3/15/18 13:11pm]

Agreed. That's a good quote to share, thanks!

Looking back to a loss 20 years ago and what I would perceive to have been a lack of sympathy from some quarters, it seems to me that attitudes towards drug and alcohol addicts have improved a bit over those 2 decades.

I think that more folks now appreciate that addiction is an illness, and as such those suffering need our love, encouragement, support and empathy (as well as professional help).

Sadly it's been all too slow an improvement, and no doubt there still is still a long way to go.

I'd like to think that, if kids could be educated from an early age, that may help speed up the process and improve understanding of addiction, and consequently empathy for those suffering from addiction.

laurarichardson said:

It is not all about addiction. Addiction can be resolved and Prince was the one that took his sister to rehab. His own sister said nothing could be done. . Why would his sister say that when she had been in we have herself?. She said we don’t know the whole story and many of his associates have said the same thing. They should tell you more is going on then just addiction. The pills were needed to deal with increasing pain. We do not know if this is pain from joint issues or pain From something else but it is not hard to believe that he could have become dependent on pain due to chronic illness or terminal illness. It is absurd to believe that his sister would say nothing could be done if something could’ve been done. The only solution to Ongoing chronic pain is pain medication and of course any type of cancer either the terminal or ongoing requires pain meds. You can go to rehab a thousand times but you’re still going to need those meds. We also also know the fact that using pain medication over even a small amount of time can have on one’s organs. We know that if he had any sort of organ damage he would’ve had to stop using pain meds immediately causing a withdrawal problem. disch said:

I believe it is about addiction. I believe if he had been able to resolve his addiction, the events that led to his accidental death would not have happened. I do not believe any other health issues, If he had them, were terminal in themselves. I believe if he could have conquered his addiction, any other health issues could have been addressed by a good doctor.

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Hmmm, the phrase 'nothing could be done' would suggest a very serious, if not unavoidably terminal illness to me. It would also suggest to me that professional help/treatment was taken, as I would fully expect, but sadly that this was all to no avail.

That doesn't sound to me like Tyka is referring simply to addiction, because, as you point out, she has been through that process herself (at Prince's instigation no less), so she knows from personal experience that effective help for addiction is available. And so of course did Prince, since he took her to rehab.

I still feel like my understanding of this is pretty poor and very limited indeed. For sure I don't know the whole story. I feel like we have gone round the Mulberry bush with this for nearly two years, with multiple contrasting hypotheses put forward and discussed.

Whatever the truth, it's truly miserable to reflect that Prince may have been suffering a prolonged illness, hip/joint pain (and/or possible consequent addiction) over a number of years latterly. There is only to me a small consolation to hang on to that any suffering was over with his passing.

GrayDorian said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Do you believe someone who keeps changing their story?

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Tyka claims she told "everyone", yet no one seems to know Prince was dying.

Yes, I believe her. I have no doubts as to her integrity or the veracity of her ‘story’, as you put it.

I don’t really get why some folks here are so skeptical as to her word. Prince is her beloved brother after all. I cannot even imagine why some here think she would lie to us fans about such a serious matter regarding Prince.

I have to admit though that I don’t follow social media or TV interviews avidly, so I am not entirely sure what you mean by ‘changing her story’.

If perhaps that refers to her initial reference to 2 years becoming 3 years, I just interpret that as meaning that Prince was seriously ill for 3 years, and he informed her of this a year later.

However, it could also possibly refer to about a year having passed between Tyka giving those two interviews. I’m not sure and it’s no biggie to me.

I haven’t seen an interview in which Tyka claimed to have ‘told everyone’, as you put it. If she said that on record, presumably she meant 'everyone that Prince loves', and simply forgot to qualify it. Prince, being of a very private nature, is not likely to want to share his sad news with anyone he isn’t really close to, or doesn’t love and trust.

My memory is very poor, but I vaguely recall something about her being given an email by Prince to pass on (possibly to Andre?) that indicated his sad predicament. I don’t think that it’s unfeasible that she may have been given a list of loved ones to inform.

Once again, I believe Tyka. She clearly loves her brother and has conducted herself well since his passing, so I can see no reason not to believe her. Tyka has been gracious enough to pass on the sad news that Prince was seriously ill over a few years prior to his passing, and I am grateful to her for sharing that with us.

I can’t help feeling though that the finer details as to what was ailing him aren’t any of our business. I sincerely hope that it wasn’t pancreatic cancer, as has been mentioned on these boards. My sweet ole grandpa suffered that, when I was a kid. He stayed with us for a few months over his last winter, and, even though he was a really tough cookie, it looked to me to be an arduous, lengthy and tortuous ordeal to have to endure.

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Please read my Post #194, where I quoted Tyka and also posted the Video and listen closely to what she says. You can't make a sound decision when you don't have all the facts.

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Yes, she clearly said "Everyone knew" Prince was dying.......again, read my Post #194.

Menes said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Thanks for stating this so powerfully, logically and definitively.. I agree with about 97 per cent of it....I'm not so sure about the accidental part...but even if it were an intentional act; I believe the desire to check out was driven by addiction, despair and humiliation.

Bod, thanks for summing that up in no uncertain terms! Unequivocally , that event in Moline was the most disastrous event in his life. There is no way he had an out for what was now public information.

For someone who had such a massive ego, (and incessant pronouncements against all things "drugs") , the hypocrisy was far too much of a bridge to mend. You can tell by is behavior after the fact that he was attempting to change the narrative as if it was merely a trivial matter of no consequence. In trying to do so, the internal tug-o-war between what he says and what he was doing ensued. Coupling that "war" with withdrawals, makes for a perfect suicidal storm.

Some would have rather him pass thru some eternal hall of shame or rot away at PP just to soothe their own selfish thoughts of what Prince should or should not be. It's as if they believe that Prince's brain was wired differently from any other brain when dealing with addiction. No matter how much the science refutes such an ignorant position, there will always be that one outlier who would rather build a house in a pool of quicksand. Thank goodness a majority of us on this forum have the intellectual capacity to understand the power and science of addiction.

Dependency or not, the music lives own for those of us who are his fans.

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Prince was not trying to kill himself. I respectfully disagree with you.