purplefam99 said:

i think that if prince took meds, over the long haul it was simply to keep moving.

like a painter who is told your gonna lose the use of your hands but if take this elixer you will

be able to use your hands but your eyesight will start to diminish.

so he takes the elixer in such small amounts to as to draw out the life of his hands, slowly

sacrificing his eyes.

P had made of himself music and movement. this is where i think people forget

the power of dance and movement. i think P's first love was movement it is our first

contact with music. we move to it before we make it. i think if he was just music he would have been

content to sit and play music. he would have long ago sat down and let the body rest. but the

need to move and connect with the music that way is what made the music so alive and our

reaction to it so clear. i think he felt it before he made it. if he parceled out dosing to keep

moving i get it, i wish he had found another substitute for the movement desire, but outside

of making music as the substitute for making movement i am not sure there is one to match

the others power.

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We know he joint pain issues and surgery. People are presribed pain meds for these issues. Nothing more to it then that. Pills are very addictive especially if his pain never went away.

Not sure why this is not acceptable.

laurarichardson said:

purplefam99 said:

i think that if prince took meds, over the long haul it was simply to keep moving.

like a painter who is told your gonna lose the use of your hands but if take this elixer you will

be able to use your hands but your eyesight will start to diminish.

so he takes the elixer in such small amounts to as to draw out the life of his hands, slowly

sacrificing his eyes.

P had made of himself music and movement. this is where i think people forget

the power of dance and movement. i think P's first love was movement it is our first

contact with music. we move to it before we make it. i think if he was just music he would have been

content to sit and play music. he would have long ago sat down and let the body rest. but the

need to move and connect with the music that way is what made the music so alive and our

reaction to it so clear. i think he felt it before he made it. if he parceled out dosing to keep

moving i get it, i wish he had found another substitute for the movement desire, but outside

of making music as the substitute for making movement i am not sure there is one to match

the others power.

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We know he joint pain issues and surgery. People are presribed pain meds for these issues. Nothing more to it then that. Pills are very addictive especially if his pain never went away.

Not sure why this is not acceptable.

i accept all of that^^^^

Every day thousands of grandmas and grandpas have hip surgery, are prescribed pain meds (or given them intravenously) and then they go home. Guess what? The vast majority of them don't turn into addicts. We know he was against drugs from the very beginning because he didn't want to be vulnerable and "out of control", at the mercy of someone else who could take advantage of him. If he had to medicate in the last few years, it was not because he got "high" and needed it for his productivity or creativity. He had that in spades already. Does anyone else find it odd that the Recovery Without Borders (or whatever it's called) pamphlet was found in the PR room and not in his office or private belongings? If he was soooooo secretive about his use, why would that be out in the open?

The vast majority of people using these meds are becoming addicted. I am not sure where you have been but 60 minutes just did a story about the a town in WV that had 900 residents and the pill wholesaler distrubted over a milllion pills via doctors. Some body was sent home with pills. People are being overprescribed these meds all the time.

I do not think he was secretive about his use of them. People who worked for him keep saying we do not know the whole story. His sister said he was dying and there are associates who were told to get their belongings out of PP 7 days before he died.

He had health issues and wanted to withdraw from these pills quickly.

Misslink88 said:

Every day thousands of grandmas and grandpas have hip surgery, are prescribed pain meds (or given them intravenously) and then they go home. Guess what? The vast majority of them don't turn into addicts. We know he was against drugs from the very beginning because he didn't want to be vulnerable and "out of control", at the mercy of someone else who could take advantage of him. If he had to medicate in the last few years, it was not because he got "high" and needed it for his productivity or creativity. He had that in spades already. Does anyone else find it odd that the Recovery Without Borders (or whatever it's called) pamphlet was found in the PR room and not in his office or private belongings? If he was soooooo secretive about his use, why would that be out in the open?

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laurarichardson said:

If you think people can be productive while abusing drugs for recereational use. You are promoting drug use. Sorry these are your words not mine.

But Bob Dylan and The Beatles! Critics' 2 faves above anyone else. You're not going to say they weren't taking drugs during the 60s?

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

If you think people can be productive while abusing drugs for recereational use. You are promoting drug use. Sorry these are your words not mine.

But Bob Dylan and The Beatles! Critics' 2 faves above anyone else. You're not going to say they weren't taking drugs during the 60s?

I am not going to list the stuff Prince was doing compared to Bob and The Beatles. The level of output is not the same or as vast. Also some seem to think these pills are like weed they are hard ass drugs.

Do not compare the milkweed of the 60s to the paid pills of today. Also were are the witnesses and the public screw ups. I will wait.

morningsong said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Of course. Everyone knows that!

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I was just using those famous people as an example. They've all done the long tours and spent long hours in the recording studio and they didn't do it by being on drugs, and neither did Prince. That's all I'm saying, and I don't agree with Trevors comment about Prince had to be on drugs to achieve all those things......ridiculous....whatever.

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It was a general statement.

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You responded to what I had said about Trevor's comment. The subject was that Prince had to have been using drugs, and I disagree.

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I know that people die at a young age, but that's not what we were discussing here.

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

Are you on drugs? If he had been taking drugs to do these things for the last 40 years he would not have been doing any of these things well. He might not have even had a carreer 40 years out or might have died a long time ago.

No one every said he did not sleep at all. In fact we have already stated what his personal assistant said about his sleeping hours.

People can and do have sleep disorders and Prince did have at one time a staff taking care of everyday things most of us have to do which freed up his time.

If you are disciplined you can get a lot of done and too many people some of whom are still angry and disgrunteld have said numerous times they never saw him high. He simply would have not been able to hide it for 40 years and get anything accompolished.

Your comments are devoid of critical thinking.

Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Elton John, Eddy Van Halen, have all done heavy duty drugs, and they still managed to go out on tours and put albums out.

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True Penny, but Trevor was basically saying that Prince did all of those things, with the help of drugs. What some people don't understand about the art of music, and certainly with Prince, he was a prodigy; he had the spirit and energy and the gift to do what he did. He wasn't manufactured; you can't buy or make what Prince had. He was passionate about his music. There are plenty of people who are incredible artist's and who aren't on drugs. To say that Prince achieved all that he did because he was on drugs is just beyond ridiculous, imo.

laurarichardson said:

purplefam99 said:

we also heard about some of these folks bligerant antics back stage or after shows, but nothing

of that sort from Prince's camp. the most fun i have heard about backstage was Prince needling

rick james, and the time, those are only times i have heard about fights and that was a food fight

i think.

You are correct. No evidence of Prince fucking up.

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Slick Rick........now, he partied hard and didn't hide it either. You didn't see Prince hanging at the clubs and partying. Prince would have never had the career he had if he was abusing drugs.

cloveringold85 said:

"point is that it is the same work rate and that work rate never has been or will be possible without drugs"

From your statement you make like every famous music star is on drugs

Astasheiks said:

"point is that it is the same work rate and that work rate never has been or will be possible without drugs"

From your statement you make like every famous music star is on drugs

No "famous music star" ever followed the same work pace as Prince did.
Ever. That's a fact. Again, you wanna play the recreational card?

It's like some bad dream.

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TrevorAyer said:

purplefam99 said:

bonatoc said:

Astasheiks said:

"point is that it is the same work rate and that work rate never has been or will be possible without drugs"

From your statement you make like every famous music star is on drugs

No "famous music star" ever followed the same work pace as Prince did.
Ever. That's a fact. Again, you wanna play the recreational card?

It's like some bad dream.

I'm not playing the recreational card I was responding to TrevorAyer, hes the one that said, "point is that it is the same work rate and that work rate never has been or will be possible without drugs"

cloveringold85 said:

morningsong said:

It was a general statement.

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You responded to what I had said about Trevor's comment. The subject was that Prince had to have been using drugs, and I disagree.

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I know that people die at a young age, but that's not what we were discussing here.

It (nor this) was meant to single anyone or comment out, but there has been more said where what I said fits. All I'm sayin". We all have been speculating but every once in a while it must be remembered we don't know all the details of any of these people and how they live to have any "imperial" truth about it, therefore none of this is stone cold facts, which was what this thread was supposed to be based on.

bonatoc said:

Astasheiks said:

"point is that it is the same work rate and that work rate never has been or will be possible without drugs"

From your statement you make like every famous music star is on drugs

No "famous music star" ever followed the same work pace as Prince did.
Ever. That's a fact. Again, you wanna play the recreational card?

It's like some bad dream.

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laurarichardson said:

TrevorAyer said:

Nobody said prince wrote his best music on drugs or that he was even getting that high ... there are truck drivers that snort cocaine just to stay awake ... most likely his use began as basic maintenance.. getting awake for the show .. getting to sleep after the after show .. getting awake for the flight ... easing the pain from the splits and high heels ... i believe his usage got away from him around the time he cut out most of his friends .. his music suffered as a result but there were reports and maytes book suggests he tried to keep it secret but she caught him a couple times ... furthermore all those years with george clinton .. an admitted crack head during his prince years .. and chaka kahn saying she was taking a lot of pills when prince died ... to these rockstar types its just maintenance .. they don’t even consider it a drug .. its like .. i gotta wake up ... i need sleep .. my body hurts .. touring is fuckin hard work .. so is recording .. every famous band takes 60 takes of a song .. cuts about 40 .. songs per record ... prince was talented enough to do a lot of the work himself and quickly .. tom petty might play the same 20 songs for 3 months and get 10 great takes .. prince probably got 30 songs in the same period of time because he didn’t have to rely as much on others .. point is that it is the same work rate and that work rate never has been or will be possible without drugs

You are showing your ignorance again. George spoke about his problems with crack on his book and how he never saw Prince use drugs and he wished he had his drive and disciplined he was this was before Prince passed. He also talked about drugs fucked up his life and carreer. How he knew his royalties were getting stolen but he spent so much time getting high or trying to get money he could not think straight much less get any music done. You simply do not know what you are talking about or are trolling.

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Trevor just doesn't get it. He/she thinks that any person who has immense talent must be on drugs! Yea, look at Prince......he's really something.......must be on some good drugs!!

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Sorry, for the sarcasm, but I need a good laugh here with these ridiculous comments!

laurarichardson said:

purplefam99 said:

Agree, agree.

—Slick Rick tried to pour liquor down his mouth because Prince would not have a drink with him. He was actually angry at Prince for not getting high. Dope heads hang with other dopeheads and Prince was trying to get away from Rick’s tour and Rick. Some people on this board are projecting.

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morningsong said:

cloveringold85 said:

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You responded to what I had said about Trevor's comment. The subject was that Prince had to have been using drugs, and I disagree.

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I know that people die at a young age, but that's not what we were discussing here.

It (nor this) was meant to single anyone or comment out, but there has been more said where what I said fits. All I'm sayin". We all have been speculating but every once in a while it must be remembered we don't know all the details of any of these people and how they live to have any "imperial" truth about it, therefore none of this is stone cold facts, which was what this thread was supposed to be based on.

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Exactly. And there is no evidence that suggests Prince used drugs to further his music career/talents.

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And again, there are plenty of talented people (like Prince) who don't use drugs.

Misslink88 said:

Every day thousands of grandmas and grandpas have hip surgery, are prescribed pain meds (or given them intravenously) and then they go home. Guess what? The vast majority of them don't turn into addicts. We know he was against drugs from the very beginning because he didn't want to be vulnerable and "out of control", at the mercy of someone else who could take advantage of him. If he had to medicate in the last few years, it was not because he got "high" and needed it for his productivity or creativity. He had that in spades already. Does anyone else find it odd that the Recovery Without Borders (or whatever it's called) pamphlet was found in the PR room and not in his office or private belongings? If he was soooooo secretive about his use, why would that be out in the open?

It was an intentional plant intended to drive a particular agenda.


Few recognize that.

Mumio said:

Misslink88 said:

Every day thousands of grandmas and grandpas have hip surgery, are prescribed pain meds (or given them intravenously) and then they go home. Guess what? The vast majority of them don't turn into addicts. We know he was against drugs from the very beginning because he didn't want to be vulnerable and "out of control", at the mercy of someone else who could take advantage of him. If he had to medicate in the last few years, it was not because he got "high" and needed it for his productivity or creativity. He had that in spades already. Does anyone else find it odd that the Recovery Without Borders (or whatever it's called) pamphlet was found in the PR room and not in his office or private belongings? If he was soooooo secretive about his use, why would that be out in the open?

It was an intentional plant intended to drive a particular agenda.


Few recognize that.

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I was gonna respond to that, but I'm glad you did first, Mumio!

Mumio said:

Misslink88 said:

Every day thousands of grandmas and grandpas have hip surgery, are prescribed pain meds (or given them intravenously) and then they go home. Guess what? The vast majority of them don't turn into addicts. We know he was against drugs from the very beginning because he didn't want to be vulnerable and "out of control", at the mercy of someone else who could take advantage of him. If he had to medicate in the last few years, it was not because he got "high" and needed it for his productivity or creativity. He had that in spades already. Does anyone else find it odd that the Recovery Without Borders (or whatever it's called) pamphlet was found in the PR room and not in his office or private belongings? If he was soooooo secretive about his use, why would that be out in the open?

It was an intentional plant intended to drive a particular agenda.


Few recognize that.

Yes...So obvious....

laurarichardson said:

The vast majority of people using these meds are becoming addicted. I am not sure where you have been but 60 minutes just did a story about the a town in WV that had 900 residents and the pill wholesaler distrubted over a milllion pills via doctors. Some body was sent home with pills. People are being overprescribed these meds all the time.

I do not think he was secretive about his use of them. People who worked for him keep saying we do not know the whole story. His sister said he was dying and there are associates who were told to get their belongings out of PP 7 days before he died.

He had health issues and wanted to withdraw from these pills quickly.

Misslink88 said:

Every day thousands of grandmas and grandpas have hip surgery, are prescribed pain meds (or given them intravenously) and then they go home. Guess what? The vast majority of them don't turn into addicts. We know he was against drugs from the very beginning because he didn't want to be vulnerable and "out of control", at the mercy of someone else who could take advantage of him. If he had to medicate in the last few years, it was not because he got "high" and needed it for his productivity or creativity. He had that in spades already. Does anyone else find it odd that the Recovery Without Borders (or whatever it's called) pamphlet was found in the PR room and not in his office or private belongings? If he was soooooo secretive about his use, why would that be out in the open?

[Edited 12/21/17 13:01pm]

No one is discounting the fact some people DO get addicted. I've not heard anything about anyone being told to remove their stuff from PP. The only account I've read along those lines is Sheila E saying she was having trouble getting her drum kit out. Do you have a link for these others?

Lovejunky said:

Mumio said:

It was an intentional plant intended to drive a particular agenda.


Few recognize that.

Yes...So obvious....

So far, it's the only conclusion I've been able to arrive at.

Misslink88 said:

Lovejunky said:

Yes...So obvious....

So far, it's the only conclusion I've been able to arrive at.

Yes, if you aren't riding the crazy train.

Mumio said:

Misslink88 said:

Every day thousands of grandmas and grandpas have hip surgery, are prescribed pain meds (or given them intravenously) and then they go home. Guess what? The vast majority of them don't turn into addicts. We know he was against drugs from the very beginning because he didn't want to be vulnerable and "out of control", at the mercy of someone else who could take advantage of him. If he had to medicate in the last few years, it was not because he got "high" and needed it for his productivity or creativity. He had that in spades already. Does anyone else find it odd that the Recovery Without Borders (or whatever it's called) pamphlet was found in the PR room and not in his office or private belongings? If he was soooooo secretive about his use, why would that be out in the open?

It was an intentional plant intended to drive a particular agenda.


Few recognize that.

Misslink88 said:

laurarichardson said:

The vast majority of people using these meds are becoming addicted. I am not sure where you have been but 60 minutes just did a story about the a town in WV that had 900 residents and the pill wholesaler distrubted over a milllion pills via doctors. Some body was sent home with pills. People are being overprescribed these meds all the time.

I do not think he was secretive about his use of them. People who worked for him keep saying we do not know the whole story. His sister said he was dying and there are associates who were told to get their belongings out of PP 7 days before he died.

He had health issues and wanted to withdraw from these pills quickly.

[Edited 12/21/17 13:01pm]

No one is discounting the fact some people DO get addicted. I've not heard anything about anyone being told to remove their stuff from PP. The only account I've read along those lines is Sheila E saying she was having trouble getting her drum kit out. Do you have a link for these others?

Saw a screen shot were this was discussed as Andrien and Marcus the horn players have told people Prince told them to come and get their stuff out of PP about a week before he died as they might have trouble getting it later.

No one can get their stuff out while the probate is going on and remember Prince was the executor of his Dad's estate who also did not have a will. He would have known exactly what would happen if he died without one.

Prince was very calculating and controlling. Things about his death are too neat and fit togeher to tie a nice narrative that someone wanted us all to have.