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Menes

Search warrants (facts and tidbits).

I wanted to disregard all of the tabloid information I've read and focus soley on the facts of each search warrant that was reviewed here. Of note, there are some things in these warrants that I was not aware of and found interesting. Some if not most of it, is already known here on the org. I will highlight the tidbits that I wasn't aware of until taking a closer look at the warrants. I wil post each in descending order as time permits.

September 19, 2016 warrant filed and issued.

1. This is the warrant for all data maintained by Google, Inc. for the Gmail account identified as Paislerparkafterdark@gmail.com. The facts tending to establish foregoing grounds for issuance are as followed.

Below are the finding from the "Affiant" , detective Christina Warner, of the Carver County Sherriff's office for 16 years.

a. On April 21, 2016 at 0943 hours , the Sheriffs deputies were dispatched to Paisley Park studios.

b. Prince Rogers Nelson was found in an elevator and not breathing.

c. Prince was unresponsive and pronounced deceased at the scene.

d. Witnesses at the scene that were interviewed stated that Prince recently had a history of going thru withdrawals which are believed to be the result of the abuse of prescription medication. ( I wasn't aware that someone in Prince's camp stated that).

e. The Affiant learned that Prince had "passed out" during a flight from Atlanta.

f. According to one of the witnesses interviewed, Prince admitted to taking 1-2 "pain pills" during this flight.

g. During the search of Prince's residence, detectives located numerous controlled substance pills in various containers and areas of Prince's bedroom, some of which was in a suitcase with the name tag of "Peter Bravestrong". Inside of the suitcase were several prescription bottles in the name of Kirk Johnson.

h. Prince had no prescriptions issued to him but Kirk Johnson had Oxycodone prescribed to him by Dr. Michael Schuelenberg on 4-14-2016 according to the Minnesota Prescription Monitoring Program.

i. On 4-26-16 Attorney Gary Hansen (who had been appointed to take care of Prince's affairs after death) provided consent for the Sherriff's office to take custody of a silver Apple laptop computer found in Prince's bedroom.

j. On Monday 5-19-2016 Sgt. Meir received a phone call from Dr. Quin Strobel(ME) on whch the results of Prince's toxicology screening showed Prince had a lethal dose of the narcotic fentanyl in his system. (wasn't the information released prior to this date, or was it June?)

k. Dr. Schulenberg( who was at the scene on 4-21-2016) admitted to prescribing Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the landing but put the prescription in kirk Johnson's name for privacy.

L. Affiant learned that Prince did not have a regular doctor and that his managers would set him up with various doctors before a show so that Prince could get a "b12" injection before his performance.

m. Affiant learned that Julia Yasine Ramadan(Prince's manager from 2011-2013) set up a google account for Prince identified as jyramadan@gmail.com.

n. DEA learned that Prince's computer had several email accounts to include mistag3@ gmail, peterbravestrong @gmail, paisleyparkafterdark@gmail, and jyramaan@gmail.

o. Affiant learned that Julia Ramadan told detective Kuhnau that after she heard about the drug overdose ,she had sent an email to Prince stating "sending my love" to which a response of "love recieved " was sent back to her.

p. On 9-19-2016, Affiant received information from google that all accounts were current. There was also a recovery email that was set up in the name of KAJhipfit.net which is one of the accounts registered to Kirk Johnson. The Affiant confirmed that they are aware that Kirk Johnson previously assisted Prince in obtaining a controlled substance by contacting Dr. Schulenberg on 4-14-16.


Reply #1 posted 11/02/17 9:32am

KoolEaze

Is it legal to prescribe controlled substances in someone else´s name? eek

I know that doctors occasionally use a relative´s name on the prescription for whatever reason (insurance issues, etc. ) but a controlled substance?

" I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?"




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Reply #2 posted 11/02/17 9:48am

anangellooksdown

"n. DEA learned that Prince's computer had several email accounts to include mistag3@ gmail..."



Does anyone have any idea what mistag3 could stand for?

I can't bring him back as he was, so this stood out as interesting to me.
Always wanting to know more about our Prince. ❤️
~Paisley Park is in your heart~
Reply #3 posted 11/02/17 10:07am

morningsong

KoolEaze said:

Is it legal to prescribe controlled substances in someone else´s name? eek

I know that doctors occasionally use a relative´s name on the prescription for whatever reason (insurance issues, etc. ) but a controlled substance?



Nope.

Reply #4 posted 11/02/17 10:35am

Menes

Menes said:

I wanted to disregard all of the tabloid information I've read and focus soley on the facts of each search warrant that was reviewed here. Of note, there are some things in these warrants that I was not aware of and found interesting. Some if not most of it, is already known here on the org. I will highlight the tidbits that I wasn't aware of until taking a closer look at the warrants. I wil post each in descending order as time permits.

September 19, 2016 warrant filed and issued.

1. This is the warrant for all data maintained by Google, Inc. for the Gmail account identified as Paislerparkafterdark@gmail.com. The facts tending to establish foregoing grounds for issuance are as followed.

Below are the finding from the "Affiant" , detective Christina Warner, of the Carver County Sherriff's office for 16 years.

a. On April 21, 2016 at 0943 hours , the Sheriffs deputies were dispatched to Paisley Park studios.

b. Prince Rogers Nelson was found in an elevator and not breathing.

c. Prince was unresponsive and pronounced deceased at the scene.

d. Witnesses at the scene that were interviewed stated that Prince recently had a history of going thru withdrawals which are believed to be the result of the abuse of prescription medication. ( I wasn't aware that someone in Prince's camp stated that).

e. The Affiant learned that Prince had "passed out" during a flight from Atlanta.

f. According to one of the witnesses interviewed, Prince admitted to taking 1-2 "pain pills" during this flight.

g. During the search of Prince's residence, detectives located numerous controlled substance pills in various containers and areas of Prince's bedroom, some of which was in a suitcase with the name tag of "Peter Bravestrong". Inside of the suitcase were several prescription bottles in the name of Kirk Johnson.

h. Prince had no prescriptions issued to him but Kirk Johnson had Oxycodone prescribed to him by Dr. Michael Schuelenberg on 4-14-2016 according to the Minnesota Prescription Monitoring Program.

i. On 4-26-16 Attorney Gary Hansen (who had been appointed to take care of Prince's affairs after death) provided consent for the Sherriff's office to take custody of a silver Apple laptop computer found in Prince's bedroom.

j. On Monday 5-19-2016 Sgt. Meir received a phone call from Dr. Quin Strobel(ME) on whch the results of Prince's toxicology screening showed Prince had a lethal dose of the narcotic fentanyl in his system. (wasn't the information released prior to this date, or was it June?)

k. Dr. Schulenberg( who was at the scene on 4-21-2016) admitted to prescribing Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the landing but put the prescription in kirk Johnson's name for privacy.

L. Affiant learned that Prince did not have a regular doctor and that his managers would set him up with various doctors before a show so that Prince could get a "b12" injection before his performance.

m. Affiant learned that Julia Yasine Ramadan(Prince's manager from 2011-2013) set up a google account for Prince identified as jyramadan@gmail.com.

n. DEA learned that Prince's computer had several email accounts to include mistag3@ gmail, peterbravestrong @gmail, paisleyparkafterdark@gmail, and jyramaan@gmail.

o. Affiant learned that Julia Ramadan told detective Kuhnau that after she heard about the drug overdose ,she had sent an email to Prince stating "sending my love" to which a response of "love recieved " was sent back to her.

p. On 9-19-2016, Affiant received information from google that all accounts were current. There was also a recovery email that was set up in the name of KAJhipfit.net which is one of the accounts registered to Kirk Johnson. The Affiant confirmed that they are aware that Kirk Johnson previously assisted Prince in obtaining a controlled substance by contacting Dr. Schulenberg on 4-14-16.


June 10th, 2016 search warrant filed and issued: re: Cell tower records: Some information may overlap with September , 2016 warrant.

This is the warrant for all cell tower records (At&T). It is related to a specific cell number . The number is listed. I did call it 100 times or more some months back. No one answered.

a. On April 14 2016, Prince traveled to Atlanta , Ga, for a concert. Among those traveling with Prince was Kirk Johnson. On April 15th, 2016, Prince suffered a medical emergency and the plane made an emergency landing at Moline, IL.

b. The doctor who treated Prince documented Prince as suffering from an opiate overdose, however, Prince refused treatment ast the hospital. Johnson told hospital staff that Prince may have taken percocet. PRince was released later that morning.

c. The Affiant has learned that Kirk Johnson had contacted Dr.Schulenberg for Prince in regard to hip pain. Dr. Schlenberg met with Prince and prescribed him Clonidine, Hydroxyzine Pamoate and Daizepam.

d. On 4 20-16 Johnson went to Walgreens to pick up a presciption for Prince located at 4950 CO rd 101. Kirk Johnson said it was the first time he had done that.

e. During a search warrant executed on 4-21-16 at Paisley Park, a suitcase was found next to Prince's bed. One Vitamin D bottle was shown and contained Odanestron hydrochloride.

f. Johnson told investigators he was unaware that Prince was addicted to pain medication. Many of the pills that were found were found in places Prince would often frequent. As in bedroom, wardrobe , laundry room.

g. Your Affiant finds it reasonable that Johnson would have had knowledge of Prince's abuse of narcotics /medication.

h. Your Affiant is aware that Johnson is one of the very few people that have unrestricted access to Paisley Park.

Reply #5 posted 11/02/17 10:51am

laurarichardson

Menes said:

I wanted to disregard all of the tabloid information I've read and focus soley on the facts of each search warrant that was reviewed here. Of note, there are some things in these warrants that I was not aware of and found interesting. Some if not most of it, is already known here on the org.  I will highlight the tidbits that I wasn't aware of until taking a closer look at the warrants. I wil post each in descending order as time permits.

September 19, 2016 warrant filed and issued. 

1. This is the warrant for all data maintained by Google, Inc. for the Gmail account identified as Paislerparkafterdark@gmail.com. The facts tending to establish foregoing grounds for issuance are as followed.

Below are the finding from the "Affiant" , detective Christina Warner, of the Carver County Sherriff's office for 16 years.

a. On April 21, 2016 at 0943 hours , the Sheriffs deputies were dispatched to Paisley Park studios. 

b. Prince Rogers Nelson was found in an elevator and not breathing.

c. Prince was unresponsive and pronounced deceased at the scene. 

d. Witnesses at the scene that were interviewed stated that Prince recently had a history of going thru withdrawals which are believed to be the result of the abuse of prescription medication. ( I wasn't aware that someone in Prince's camp stated that).

e. The Affiant learned that Prince had "passed out" during a flight from Atlanta.

f. According to one of the witnesses interviewed, Prince admitted to taking 1-2 "pain pills" during this flight.

g. During the search of Prince's residence, detectives located numerous controlled substance pills in various containers and areas of Prince's bedroom, some of which was in a suitcase with the name tag of "Peter Bravestrong". Inside of the suitcase were several prescription bottles in the name of Kirk Johnson. 

h. Prince had no prescriptions issued to him but Kirk Johnson had Oxycodone prescribed to him by Dr. Michael Schuelenberg on 4-14-2016 according to the Minnesota Prescription Monitoring Program. 

i. On 4-26-16 Attorney Gary Hansen (who had been appointed to take care of Prince's affairs after death) provided consent for the Sherriff's office to take custody of a silver Apple laptop computer found in Prince's bedroom.

j. On Monday 5-19-2016 Sgt. Meir received a phone call from Dr. Quin Strobel(ME) on whch the results of Prince's toxicology screening showed Prince had a lethal dose of the narcotic fentanyl in his system. (wasn't the information released prior to this date, or was it June?)

k. Dr. Schulenberg( who was at the scene on 4-21-2016) admitted to prescribing Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the landing but put the prescription in kirk Johnson's name for privacy.

L. Affiant learned that Prince did not have a regular doctor and that his managers would set him up with various doctors before a show so that Prince could get a "b12" injection before his performance. 

m. Affiant learned that Julia Yasine Ramadan(Prince's manager from 2011-2013) set up a google account for Prince identified as jyramadan@gmail.com.

n. DEA learned that Prince's computer had several email accounts to include mistag3@ gmail, peterbravestrong @gmail, paisleyparkafterdark@gmail, and jyramaan@gmail.

o. Affiant learned that Julia Ramadan told detective Kuhnau that after she heard about the drug overdose ,she had sent an email to Prince stating "sending my love" to which a response of "love recieved " was sent back to her.

p. On 9-19-2016, Affiant received information from google that all accounts were current. There was also a recovery email that was set up in the name of KAJhipfit.net which is one of the accounts registered to Kirk Johnson. The Affiant confirmed that they are aware that Kirk Johnson previously assisted Prince in obtaining a controlled substance by contacting Dr. Schulenberg on 4-14-16.
 


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I was aware of the withdrawals comment coming from his camp. Dr. S put a press release that pain pills were Kirk not Prince. Not sure way he told on himself with cops and then changed his story and appears to be getting away with it.

Is it not interesting that Ondansetron ODT is often prescribed for the following.
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his medication is used alone or with other medications to prevent nausea and vomiting caused by cancer drug treatment (chemotherapy) and radiation therapy. It is also used to prevent and treat nausea and vomiting after surgery. It works by blocking one of the body's natural substances (serotonin) that causes vomiting.
--- Note that Prince was suppose to be in withdrawal but Dr. S was seeing him for joint pain and none of the drugs Dr. S prescribed would have helped ween him off of pain medications or had anything to do with joint pain.

I would bet that Prince had seen had doctor in the past under an assumed name either in the U.S or oversees and I bet his former manager is well aware of it.
[Edited 11/2/17 11:05am]
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Also note the drugs Doctor S prescribed. The diazepam was found in Prince's system but does anyone find it odd that he was prescribed so many drugs for anixiety along with the hydro that Kirk had?

Hydroxyzine is used to treat itching caused by allergies. It is an antihistamine and works by blocking a certain natural substance (histamine) that your body makes during an allergic reaction. Hydroxyzine may also be used short-term to treat anxietyor to help you feel sleepy/relaxed before and after surgery.
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Clonidine lowers blood pressure by decreasing the levels of certain chemicals in your blood. This allows your blood vessels to relax and your heart to beat more slowly and easily.
The Catapres brand of clonidine is used to treat hypertension (high blood pressure). The Kapvay brand is used to treat attention deficit hyperactivity disorder(


Valium, known as diazepam in its generic form, is a benzodiazepine primarily used for short-term relief from symptoms of anxiety disorders in children older than six months, adolescents, and adults. It may help relieve excessive worry, shortness of breath or heavy perspiration, feelings of edginess, and difficulty sleeping due to anxiety.
Valium can also be used to treat alcohol withdrawal, seizures, muscle spasms, or as a relaxing agent before medical procedures.
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The Valium should not be taken with other
Certain over-the-counter, prescription medications, and supplements can increase the risk of side effects or the levels of diazepam in the body including: alcohol, antihistamines, pain relievers, muscle relaxants, or other drugs that promote sleep and relieve anxiety.

Remember Andrew brought the Subxone for his as well. I am sorry but I think Prince was going to have problems even if the Fentenyl had not gotten to him.
[Edited 11/2/17 11:18am]
I think he had a doctor who out of his element and associates who were just as clueless.
[Edited 11/2/17 11:20am]
Reply #6 posted 11/02/17 11:25am

PURPLEIZED3121

cannot even begin to express how heartbroken this is to read for myslef & I know it will be for many of my purple friends. Part of me is angry that his pride / need for privacy made things so much worse.

What a way to go out.

Reply #7 posted 11/02/17 11:32am

anangellooksdown

It sounds to me as though P was trying to detox off of gosh knows what, and these drugs including the anti-naseua drug would be used for that detox.
Getting drugs from different places with contraindications can be a problem, along with of course the fentanyl issue.
Laura do you think he gave up and took another bad pill out of being in so much pain?
~Paisley Park is in your heart~
Reply #8 posted 11/02/17 11:33am

Strawberrylova123

Menes said:

I wanted to disregard all of the tabloid information I've read and focus soley on the facts of each search warrant that was reviewed here. Of note, there are some things in these warrants that I was not aware of and found interesting. Some if not most of it, is already known here on the org.  I will highlight the tidbits that I wasn't aware of until taking a closer look at the warrants. I wil post each in descending order as time permits.

September 19, 2016 warrant filed and issued. 

1. This is the warrant for all data maintained by Google, Inc. for the Gmail account identified as Paislerparkafterdark@gmail.com. The facts tending to establish foregoing grounds for issuance are as followed.

Below are the finding from the "Affiant" , detective Christina Warner, of the Carver County Sherriff's office for 16 years.

a. On April 21, 2016 at 0943 hours , the Sheriffs deputies were dispatched to Paisley Park studios. 

b. Prince Rogers Nelson was found in an elevator and not breathing.

c. Prince was unresponsive and pronounced deceased at the scene. 

d. Witnesses at the scene that were interviewed stated that Prince recently had a history of going thru withdrawals which are believed to be the result of the abuse of prescription medication. ( I wasn't aware that someone in Prince's camp stated that).

e. The Affiant learned that Prince had "passed out" during a flight from Atlanta.

f. According to one of the witnesses interviewed, Prince admitted to taking 1-2 "pain pills" during this flight.

g. During the search of Prince's residence, detectives located numerous controlled substance pills in various containers and areas of Prince's bedroom, some of which was in a suitcase with the name tag of "Peter Bravestrong". Inside of the suitcase were several prescription bottles in the name of Kirk Johnson. 

h. Prince had no prescriptions issued to him but Kirk Johnson had Oxycodone prescribed to him by Dr. Michael Schuelenberg on 4-14-2016 according to the Minnesota Prescription Monitoring Program. 

i. On 4-26-16 Attorney Gary Hansen (who had been appointed to take care of Prince's affairs after death) provided consent for the Sherriff's office to take custody of a silver Apple laptop computer found in Prince's bedroom.

j. On Monday 5-19-2016 Sgt. Meir received a phone call from Dr. Quin Strobel(ME) on whch the results of Prince's toxicology screening showed Prince had a lethal dose of the narcotic fentanyl in his system. (wasn't the information released prior to this date, or was it June?)

k. Dr. Schulenberg( who was at the scene on 4-21-2016) admitted to prescribing Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the landing but put the prescription in kirk Johnson's name for privacy.

L. Affiant learned that Prince did not have a regular doctor and that his managers would set him up with various doctors before a show so that Prince could get a "b12" injection before his performance. 

m. Affiant learned that Julia Yasine Ramadan(Prince's manager from 2011-2013) set up a google account for Prince identified as jyramadan@gmail.com.

n. DEA learned that Prince's computer had several email accounts to include mistag3@ gmail, peterbravestrong @gmail, paisleyparkafterdark@gmail, and jyramaan@gmail.

o. Affiant learned that Julia Ramadan told detective Kuhnau that after she heard about the drug overdose ,she had sent an email to Prince stating "sending my love" to which a response of "love recieved " was sent back to her.

p. On 9-19-2016, Affiant received information from google that all accounts were current. There was also a recovery email that was set up in the name of KAJhipfit.net which is one of the accounts registered to Kirk Johnson. The Affiant confirmed that they are aware that Kirk Johnson previously assisted Prince in obtaining a controlled substance by contacting Dr. Schulenberg on 4-14-16.
 


Thank you for posting facts and not hearsay wink
Reply #9 posted 11/02/17 11:44am

laurarichardson

anangellooksdown said:

It sounds to me as though P was trying to detox off of gosh knows what, and these drugs including the anti-naseua drug would be used for that detox. Getting drugs from different places with contraindications can be a problem, along with of course the fentanyl issue. Laura do you think he gave up and took another bad pill out of being in so much pain?

4 of the drugs listed came from Dr. S. From what I am reading he should not have been given all these anti-anxiety meds along with the Hydro. Even if Dr. S is telling the truth and he wrote the pain meds for Kirk he had to have been aware that P was having a problem with pain meds especially if he was seeing him for joint pain.

It does not make sense for the doctor to have prescribed all that stuff. It was not found that he was a long term user of Fentanyl so I believe that was something he was not aware of.

I cannot figure out why take the bootleg pills if Kirk had the real thing. So we have to think he got confused ( thus accidental o.d) or he just did not care. After all he got a rack of drugs from Dr. S and he still took the bootleg stuff as well.

He could have gone anywhere to get Subxone and been straight.

I still say the anti-nausea drugs are suspect as they are mainly used for cancer treatment but at the same time Prince was out the day before riding a bike and had gone to a night club.

Looks like a million bucks playing at the Channahsen Supper Club back in January.

Reply #10 posted 11/02/17 11:53am

Menes

Menes said:

Menes said:

I wanted to disregard all of the tabloid information I've read and focus soley on the facts of each search warrant that was reviewed here. Of note, there are some things in these warrants that I was not aware of and found interesting. Some if not most of it, is already known here on the org. I will highlight the tidbits that I wasn't aware of until taking a closer look at the warrants. I wil post each in descending order as time permits.

September 19, 2016 warrant filed and issued.

1. This is the warrant for all data maintained by Google, Inc. for the Gmail account identified as Paislerparkafterdark@gmail.com. The facts tending to establish foregoing grounds for issuance are as followed.

Below are the finding from the "Affiant" , detective Christina Warner, of the Carver County Sherriff's office for 16 years.

a. On April 21, 2016 at 0943 hours , the Sheriffs deputies were dispatched to Paisley Park studios.

b. Prince Rogers Nelson was found in an elevator and not breathing.

c. Prince was unresponsive and pronounced deceased at the scene.

d. Witnesses at the scene that were interviewed stated that Prince recently had a history of going thru withdrawals which are believed to be the result of the abuse of prescription medication. ( I wasn't aware that someone in Prince's camp stated that).

e. The Affiant learned that Prince had "passed out" during a flight from Atlanta.

f. According to one of the witnesses interviewed, Prince admitted to taking 1-2 "pain pills" during this flight.

g. During the search of Prince's residence, detectives located numerous controlled substance pills in various containers and areas of Prince's bedroom, some of which was in a suitcase with the name tag of "Peter Bravestrong". Inside of the suitcase were several prescription bottles in the name of Kirk Johnson.

h. Prince had no prescriptions issued to him but Kirk Johnson had Oxycodone prescribed to him by Dr. Michael Schuelenberg on 4-14-2016 according to the Minnesota Prescription Monitoring Program.

i. On 4-26-16 Attorney Gary Hansen (who had been appointed to take care of Prince's affairs after death) provided consent for the Sherriff's office to take custody of a silver Apple laptop computer found in Prince's bedroom.

j. On Monday 5-19-2016 Sgt. Meir received a phone call from Dr. Quin Strobel(ME) on whch the results of Prince's toxicology screening showed Prince had a lethal dose of the narcotic fentanyl in his system. (wasn't the information released prior to this date, or was it June?)

k. Dr. Schulenberg( who was at the scene on 4-21-2016) admitted to prescribing Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the landing but put the prescription in kirk Johnson's name for privacy.

L. Affiant learned that Prince did not have a regular doctor and that his managers would set him up with various doctors before a show so that Prince could get a "b12" injection before his performance.

m. Affiant learned that Julia Yasine Ramadan(Prince's manager from 2011-2013) set up a google account for Prince identified as jyramadan@gmail.com.

n. DEA learned that Prince's computer had several email accounts to include mistag3@ gmail, peterbravestrong @gmail, paisleyparkafterdark@gmail, and jyramaan@gmail.

o. Affiant learned that Julia Ramadan told detective Kuhnau that after she heard about the drug overdose ,she had sent an email to Prince stating "sending my love" to which a response of "love recieved " was sent back to her.

p. On 9-19-2016, Affiant received information from google that all accounts were current. There was also a recovery email that was set up in the name of KAJhipfit.net which is one of the accounts registered to Kirk Johnson. The Affiant confirmed that they are aware that Kirk Johnson previously assisted Prince in obtaining a controlled substance by contacting Dr. Schulenberg on 4-14-16.


June 10th, 2016 search warrant filed and issued: re: Cell tower records: Some information may overlap with September , 2016 warrant.

This is the warrant for all cell tower records (At&T). It is related to a specific cell number . The number is listed. I did call it 100 times or more some months back. No one answered.

a. On April 14 2016, Prince traveled to Atlanta , Ga, for a concert. Among those traveling with Prince was Kirk Johnson. On April 15th, 2016, Prince suffered a medical emergency and the plane made an emergency landing at Moline, IL.

b. The doctor who treated Prince documented Prince as suffering from an opiate overdose, however, Prince refused treatment ast the hospital. Johnson told hospital staff that Prince may have taken percocet. PRince was released later that morning.

c. The Affiant has learned that Kirk Johnson had contacted Dr.Schulenberg for Prince in regard to hip pain. Dr. Schlenberg met with Prince and prescribed him Clonidine, Hydroxyzine Pamoate and Daizepam.

d. On 4 20-16 Johnson went to Walgreens to pick up a presciption for Prince located at 4950 CO rd 101. Kirk Johnson said it was the first time he had done that.

e. During a search warrant executed on 4-21-16 at Paisley Park, a suitcase was found next to Prince's bed. One Vitamin D bottle was shown and contained Odanestron hydrochloride.

f. Johnson told investigators he was unaware that Prince was addicted to pain medication. Many of the pills that were found were found in places Prince would often frequent. As in bedroom, wardrobe , laundry room.

g. Your Affiant finds it reasonable that Johnson would have had knowledge of Prince's abuse of narcotics /medication.

h. Your Affiant is aware that Johnson is one of the very few people that have unrestricted access to Paisley Park.

June 1st, 2016 Search warrant filed and issued. Some information may overlap with previous posts. This is in relation to additonal Cellular tower Dumps for Sprint.

a. The Affiant , detective, Tyles Stahn received information from interviews that Prince's assistant had arranged between Prince and medical professionals to assess Prince's medical concerns. One of those professionals was Andrew Kornfeld. Kornfeld was at Prince's residence when Prince was found deceased.

b. Kornfeld was found to be in possession of several controlled substances that he did not have a prescription for.

c. During the course of the investigation , investigators learned that Prince had not been heard or seen from since 4-20-2016 around 2000 hours. The Affiant is aware that there is no security or video surveillance and that Prince lived by himself.

d. The investigation reveals that interviews of those who were there when Prince was found that morning, are inconsistent and contradictory at times.

e. The Affiant is aware that friends of Prince who were there were receiving and making phone calls/ text messages on the morning his body was found.

Reply #11 posted 11/02/17 11:59am

Astasheiks

Worth Repeating From Menes:

d. The investigation reveals that interviews of those who were there when Prince was found that morning, are inconsistent and contradictory at times.

eek sad mad

Reply #12 posted 11/02/17 12:01pm

ThatWhiteDude

Menes said:

 



Menes said:


 



Menes said:


I wanted to disregard all of the tabloid information I've read and focus soley on the facts of each search warrant that was reviewed here. Of note, there are some things in these warrants that I was not aware of and found interesting. Some if not most of it, is already known here on the org.  I will highlight the tidbits that I wasn't aware of until taking a closer look at the warrants. I wil post each in descending order as time permits.

September 19, 2016 warrant filed and issued. 

1. This is the warrant for all data maintained by Google, Inc. for the Gmail account identified as Paislerparkafterdark@gmail.com. The facts tending to establish foregoing grounds for issuance are as followed.

Below are the finding from the "Affiant" , detective Christina Warner, of the Carver County Sherriff's office for 16 years.

a. On April 21, 2016 at 0943 hours , the Sheriffs deputies were dispatched to Paisley Park studios. 

b. Prince Rogers Nelson was found in an elevator and not breathing.

c. Prince was unresponsive and pronounced deceased at the scene. 

d. Witnesses at the scene that were interviewed stated that Prince recently had a history of going thru withdrawals which are believed to be the result of the abuse of prescription medication. ( I wasn't aware that someone in Prince's camp stated that).

e. The Affiant learned that Prince had "passed out" during a flight from Atlanta.

f. According to one of the witnesses interviewed, Prince admitted to taking 1-2 "pain pills" during this flight.

g. During the search of Prince's residence, detectives located numerous controlled substance pills in various containers and areas of Prince's bedroom, some of which was in a suitcase with the name tag of "Peter Bravestrong". Inside of the suitcase were several prescription bottles in the name of Kirk Johnson. 

h. Prince had no prescriptions issued to him but Kirk Johnson had Oxycodone prescribed to him by Dr. Michael Schuelenberg on 4-14-2016 according to the Minnesota Prescription Monitoring Program. 

i. On 4-26-16 Attorney Gary Hansen (who had been appointed to take care of Prince's affairs after death) provided consent for the Sherriff's office to take custody of a silver Apple laptop computer found in Prince's bedroom.

j. On Monday 5-19-2016 Sgt. Meir received a phone call from Dr. Quin Strobel(ME) on whch the results of Prince's toxicology screening showed Prince had a lethal dose of the narcotic fentanyl in his system. (wasn't the information released prior to this date, or was it June?)

k. Dr. Schulenberg( who was at the scene on 4-21-2016) admitted to prescribing Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the landing but put the prescription in kirk Johnson's name for privacy.

L. Affiant learned that Prince did not have a regular doctor and that his managers would set him up with various doctors before a show so that Prince could get a "b12" injection before his performance. 

m. Affiant learned that Julia Yasine Ramadan(Prince's manager from 2011-2013) set up a google account for Prince identified as jyramadan@gmail.com.

n. DEA learned that Prince's computer had several email accounts to include mistag3@ gmail, peterbravestrong @gmail, paisleyparkafterdark@gmail, and jyramaan@gmail.

o. Affiant learned that Julia Ramadan told detective Kuhnau that after she heard about the drug overdose ,she had sent an email to Prince stating "sending my love" to which a response of "love recieved " was sent back to her.

p. On 9-19-2016, Affiant received information from google that all accounts were current. There was also a recovery email that was set up in the name of KAJhipfit.net which is one of the accounts registered to Kirk Johnson. The Affiant confirmed that they are aware that Kirk Johnson previously assisted Prince in obtaining a controlled substance by contacting Dr. Schulenberg on 4-14-16.
 



June 10th, 2016 search warrant filed and issued: re: Cell tower records: Some information may overlap with September , 2016 warrant.

This is the warrant for all cell tower records (At&T). It is related to a specific cell number . The number is listed. I did call it 100 times or more some months back. No one answered. 

a. On April 14 2016, Prince traveled to Atlanta , Ga, for a concert. Among those traveling with Prince was Kirk Johnson. On April 15th, 2016, Prince suffered a medical emergency and the plane made an emergency landing at Moline, IL.

b. The doctor who treated Prince documented Prince as suffering from an opiate overdose, however, Prince refused treatment ast the hospital. Johnson told hospital staff that Prince may have taken percocet. PRince was released later that morning. 

c. The Affiant has learned that Kirk Johnson had contacted Dr.Schulenberg for Prince in regard to hip pain. Dr. Schlenberg met with Prince and prescribed him Clonidine, Hydroxyzine Pamoate and Daizepam. 

d. On 4 20-16 Johnson went to Walgreens to pick up a presciption for Prince located at 4950 CO rd 101. Kirk Johnson said it was the first time he had done that. 

e. During a search warrant executed on 4-21-16 at Paisley Park, a suitcase was found next to Prince's bed. One Vitamin D bottle was shown and contained Odanestron hydrochloride. 

f. Johnson told investigators he was unaware that Prince was addicted to pain medication. Many of the pills that were found were found in places Prince would often frequent. As in bedroom, wardrobe , laundry room. 

g. Your Affiant finds it reasonable that Johnson would have had knowledge of Prince's abuse of narcotics /medication.

h. Your Affiant is aware that Johnson is one of the very few people that have unrestricted access to Paisley Park.



June 1st, 2016 Search warrant filed and issued. Some information may overlap with previous posts. This is in relation to additonal Cellular tower Dumps for Sprint.

a. The Affiant , detective, Tyles Stahn received information from interviews that Prince's assistant had arranged between Prince and medical professionals to assess Prince's medical concerns.  One of those professionals was Andrew Kornfeld. Kornfeld was at Prince's residence when Prince was found deceased.

b. Kornfeld was found to be in possession of several controlled substances that he did not have a prescription for.

c. During the course of the investigation , investigators learned that Prince had not been heard  or seen from since 4-20-2016 around 2000 hours. The Affiant is aware that there is no security or video surveillance and that Prince lived by himself.

d. The investigation reveals that interviews of those who were there when Prince was found that morning, are inconsistent and contradictory at times.

e. The Affiant is aware that friends of Prince who were there were receiving and making phone calls/ text messages on the morning his body was found.

 


2000 hours? eek
"Like books and BLACK LIVES, Albums still MATTER."
Reply #13 posted 11/02/17 12:01pm

DD55

Strawberrylova123 said:

Menes said:

I wanted to disregard all of the tabloid information I've read and focus soley on the facts of each search warrant that was reviewed here. Of note, there are some things in these warrants that I was not aware of and found interesting. Some if not most of it, is already known here on the org. I will highlight the tidbits that I wasn't aware of until taking a closer look at the warrants. I wil post each in descending order as time permits.

September 19, 2016 warrant filed and issued.

1. This is the warrant for all data maintained by Google, Inc. for the Gmail account identified as Paislerparkafterdark@gmail.com. The facts tending to establish foregoing grounds for issuance are as followed.

Below are the finding from the "Affiant" , detective Christina Warner, of the Carver County Sherriff's office for 16 years.

a. On April 21, 2016 at 0943 hours , the Sheriffs deputies were dispatched to Paisley Park studios.

b. Prince Rogers Nelson was found in an elevator and not breathing.

c. Prince was unresponsive and pronounced deceased at the scene.

d. Witnesses at the scene that were interviewed stated that Prince recently had a history of going thru withdrawals which are believed to be the result of the abuse of prescription medication. ( I wasn't aware that someone in Prince's camp stated that).

e. The Affiant learned that Prince had "passed out" during a flight from Atlanta.

f. According to one of the witnesses interviewed, Prince admitted to taking 1-2 "pain pills" during this flight.

g. During the search of Prince's residence, detectives located numerous controlled substance pills in various containers and areas of Prince's bedroom, some of which was in a suitcase with the name tag of "Peter Bravestrong". Inside of the suitcase were several prescription bottles in the name of Kirk Johnson.

h. Prince had no prescriptions issued to him but Kirk Johnson had Oxycodone prescribed to him by Dr. Michael Schuelenberg on 4-14-2016 according to the Minnesota Prescription Monitoring Program.

i. On 4-26-16 Attorney Gary Hansen (who had been appointed to take care of Prince's affairs after death) provided consent for the Sherriff's office to take custody of a silver Apple laptop computer found in Prince's bedroom.

j. On Monday 5-19-2016 Sgt. Meir received a phone call from Dr. Quin Strobel(ME) on whch the results of Prince's toxicology screening showed Prince had a lethal dose of the narcotic fentanyl in his system. (wasn't the information released prior to this date, or was it June?)

k. Dr. Schulenberg( who was at the scene on 4-21-2016) admitted to prescribing Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the landing but put the prescription in kirk Johnson's name for privacy.

L. Affiant learned that Prince did not have a regular doctor and that his managers would set him up with various doctors before a show so that Prince could get a "b12" injection before his performance.

m. Affiant learned that Julia Yasine Ramadan(Prince's manager from 2011-2013) set up a google account for Prince identified as jyramadan@gmail.com.

n. DEA learned that Prince's computer had several email accounts to include mistag3@ gmail, peterbravestrong @gmail, paisleyparkafterdark@gmail, and jyramaan@gmail.

o. Affiant learned that Julia Ramadan told detective Kuhnau that after she heard about the drug overdose ,she had sent an email to Prince stating "sending my love" to which a response of "love recieved " was sent back to her.

p. On 9-19-2016, Affiant received information from google that all accounts were current. There was also a recovery email that was set up in the name of KAJhipfit.net which is one of the accounts registered to Kirk Johnson. The Affiant confirmed that they are aware that Kirk Johnson previously assisted Prince in obtaining a controlled substance by contacting Dr. Schulenberg on 4-14-16.


Thank you for posting facts and not hearsay wink

Menes, thank you for the factual summary.

DD55

Reply #14 posted 11/02/17 12:02pm

laurarichardson

Astasheiks said:

Worth Repeating From Menes:

d. The investigation reveals that interviews of those who were there when Prince was found that morning, are inconsistent and contradictory at times.

eek sad mad

Because they have something to hide. People who are honest are not contradictory. They did hang around for 45 minutes before even finding him knowing he was ill. eek What does that say?

Reply #15 posted 11/02/17 12:04pm

laurarichardson

ThatWhiteDude said:

Menes said:

June 1st, 2016 Search warrant filed and issued. Some information may overlap with previous posts. This is in relation to additonal Cellular tower Dumps for Sprint.

a. The Affiant , detective, Tyles Stahn received information from interviews that Prince's assistant had arranged between Prince and medical professionals to assess Prince's medical concerns. One of those professionals was Andrew Kornfeld. Kornfeld was at Prince's residence when Prince was found deceased.

b. Kornfeld was found to be in possession of several controlled substances that he did not have a prescription for.

c. During the course of the investigation , investigators learned that Prince had not been heard or seen from since 4-20-2016 around 2000 hours. The Affiant is aware that there is no security or video surveillance and that Prince lived by himself.

d. The investigation reveals that interviews of those who were there when Prince was found that morning, are inconsistent and contradictory at times.

e. The Affiant is aware that friends of Prince who were there were receiving and making phone calls/ text messages on the morning his body was found.

2000 hours? eek

I think they meant 20 hours.

Reply #16 posted 11/02/17 12:07pm

DD55

ThatWhiteDude said:

Menes said:

June 1st, 2016 Search warrant filed and issued. Some information may overlap with previous posts. This is in relation to additonal Cellular tower Dumps for Sprint.

a. The Affiant , detective, Tyles Stahn received information from interviews that Prince's assistant had arranged between Prince and medical professionals to assess Prince's medical concerns. One of those professionals was Andrew Kornfeld. Kornfeld was at Prince's residence when Prince was found deceased.

b. Kornfeld was found to be in possession of several controlled substances that he did not have a prescription for.

c. During the course of the investigation , investigators learned that Prince had not been heard or seen from since 4-20-2016 around 2000 hours. The Affiant is aware that there is no security or video surveillance and that Prince lived by himself.

d. The investigation reveals that interviews of those who were there when Prince was found that morning, are inconsistent and contradictory at times.

e. The Affiant is aware that friends of Prince who were there were receiving and making phone calls/ text messages on the morning his body was found.

2000 hours? eek

My guess, that is probably 20:00 which is military time for 8pm.

Reply #17 posted 11/02/17 12:20pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

Where does it say in the warrants Dr. S prescribed 4 drugs?

I must have missed that statement.

laurarichardson said:

anangellooksdown said:

It sounds to me as though P was trying to detox off of gosh knows what, and these drugs including the anti-naseua drug would be used for that detox. Getting drugs from different places with contraindications can be a problem, along with of course the fentanyl issue. Laura do you think he gave up and took another bad pill out of being in so much pain?

4 of the drugs listed came from Dr. S. From what I am reading he should not have been given all these anti-anxiety meds along with the Hydro. Even if Dr. S is telling the truth and he wrote the pain meds for Kirk he had to have been aware that P was having a problem with pain meds especially if he was seeing him for joint pain.

It does not make sense for the doctor to have prescribed all that stuff. It was not found that he was a long term user of Fentanyl so I believe that was something he was not aware of.

I cannot figure out why take the bootleg pills if Kirk had the real thing. So we have to think he got confused ( thus accidental o.d) or he just did not care. After all he got a rack of drugs from Dr. S and he still took the bootleg stuff as well.

He could have gone anywhere to get Subxone and been straight.

I still say the anti-nausea drugs are suspect as they are mainly used for cancer treatment but at the same time Prince was out the day before riding a bike and had gone to a night club.

Looks like a million bucks playing at the Channahsen Supper Club back in January.

Reply #18 posted 11/02/17 12:26pm

DD55

Astasheiks said:

Worth Repeating From Menes:

d. The investigation reveals that interviews of those who were there when Prince was found that morning, are inconsistent and contradictory at times.

eek sad mad

I actually find that to be what one would expect in situation of this nature. There have been numerous tests of people witnessing the same event and having different ‘versions' when interviewed afterwords And, when we are in an emotional and stressful situation, we notice/don’t notice different things. So statement ‘d.’ is simply a fact, not a necessarily a conclusion as to why the were inconsistent and contradictory statements.

.

I think it would be more disturbing if they all had the same exact story word for word with exact times. If all statements were the same, especially in such a highly emotional event, that would make me draw the conclusion that they ‘stopped to get their story straight’. That would be more of a red flag for me.

.

JMHO, Peace, DD55

Reply #19 posted 11/02/17 12:31pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

DD55 said:

Astasheiks said:

Worth Repeating From Menes:

d. The investigation reveals that interviews of those who were there when Prince was found that morning, are inconsistent and contradictory at times.

eek sad mad

I actually find that to be what one would expect in situation of this nature. There have been numerous tests of people witnessing the same event and having different ‘versions' when interviewed afterwords And, when we are in an emotional and stressful situation, we notice/don’t notice different things. So statement ‘d.’ is simply a fact, not a necessarily a conclusion as to why the were inconsistent and contradictory statements.

.

I think it would be more disturbing if they all had the same exact story word for word with exact times. If all statements were the same, especially in such a highly emotional event, that would make me draw the conclusion that they ‘stopped to get their story straight’. That would be more of a red flag for me.

.

JMHO, Peace, DD55

I agree with you.

Also, the detectives had to put enough "probable cause" words in the warrants to gain access to their phone records that normally would not be accessible by law enforcement.

Reply #20 posted 11/02/17 12:39pm

Menes

May 6th, 2016 Search warrant(s) filed and issued. This is in regards to medical records at Ridgeview Medical Center and Andrew Kornfeld's belongings.

a. Ridgeview paramedics arrived at Paisley park and found Prince unresponsive. CPR was started and was advised to stop. Paramedics called time of death at 1007 hours.

b. Affiant interviewed Dr. Schulenberg and was advised that Dr. Schulenberg saw Prince on 4-7-2016 and 4-20-2016. Affiant advised that some tests were performed and that he was dropping off the results that morning when Prince was found. Dr. Schulenberg advised that he did prescribed Prince prescriptions and that they were to be filled at Walgreens.

c. Affiant interviewd Kirk Johnson and was advised that Prince visited Ridgeview Hospital for an illness in 2014 or 2015 and that Prince received fluids at the visit.

d. An additonal warrant was added to search the contents of Andrew kornfeld's belonings that was kept at the Sherrifs Office.

e. When the officer arrived at Paisley Park, they found six (6) people on the premises including Andrew Kornfeld.

f. Andrew Kornfeld told the Affiant that he had flew in from Calfornia on 4-21-2016 and had arrived at around 6 am.

g. Andrew Kornfeld told the Affiant that he, Meron Bekure, and Kirk Johnson, arrived at Paisleyt Park at around 0900 hours.

h. He told the Affiant that after they arrived, Meron and Kirk began looking arond the studio for Prince. Andrew said he heard a scream and ran down the hall annd observed Prince lying on his left side in the elevator. The elevator is located near the front , north entry of the building.

i. Andrew told your Affiant that he received information from Kirk that Prince was struggling with opiate use and that Andrew believe Prince was suffering from opiate withdrawal.

j. Andrew disclosed that he had some pills with him and that he had brought some buprenorphine as the drug is used for opiate addicts. He also brought with him Adovan, which he states is used if someone is having a seizure. He also brought anti-nausea suppository if someone were puking.

k. Andrew Kornfeld espressed to affiant that if he had found Prince in distress he would've called his dad or a physician and had no intention of adminstering anything to Prince without talking to physician.

L. The back pack is currently being held at the Sherriff's office. They are numerous other contents but I wont mention all of them here.




Reply #21 posted 11/02/17 12:40pm

Dibblekins

Twenty hundred hours (20.00) = 8pm.

I was given Odansetron for hyper-emesis gravidarum (non-stop pregnancy sickness) - so it isn't 'just' for cancer patients, although it is frequently prescribed as such.

Reply #22 posted 11/02/17 12:52pm

TypoQueen

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

I wanted to disregard all of the tabloid information I've read and focus soley on the facts of each search warrant that was reviewed here. Of note, there are some things in these warrants that I was not aware of and found interesting. Some if not most of it, is already known here on the org.  I will highlight the tidbits that I wasn't aware of until taking a closer look at the warrants. I wil post each in descending order as time permits.

September 19, 2016 warrant filed and issued. 

1. This is the warrant for all data maintained by Google, Inc. for the Gmail account identified as Paislerparkafterdark@gmail.com. The facts tending to establish foregoing grounds for issuance are as followed.

Below are the finding from the "Affiant" , detective Christina Warner, of the Carver County Sherriff's office for 16 years.

a. On April 21, 2016 at 0943 hours , the Sheriffs deputies were dispatched to Paisley Park studios. 

b. Prince Rogers Nelson was found in an elevator and not breathing.

c. Prince was unresponsive and pronounced deceased at the scene. 

d. Witnesses at the scene that were interviewed stated that Prince recently had a history of going thru withdrawals which are believed to be the result of the abuse of prescription medication. ( I wasn't aware that someone in Prince's camp stated that).

e. The Affiant learned that Prince had "passed out" during a flight from Atlanta.

f. According to one of the witnesses interviewed, Prince admitted to taking 1-2 "pain pills" during this flight.

g. During the search of Prince's residence, detectives located numerous controlled substance pills in various containers and areas of Prince's bedroom, some of which was in a suitcase with the name tag of "Peter Bravestrong". Inside of the suitcase were several prescription bottles in the name of Kirk Johnson. 

h. Prince had no prescriptions issued to him but Kirk Johnson had Oxycodone prescribed to him by Dr. Michael Schuelenberg on 4-14-2016 according to the Minnesota Prescription Monitoring Program. 

i. On 4-26-16 Attorney Gary Hansen (who had been appointed to take care of Prince's affairs after death) provided consent for the Sherriff's office to take custody of a silver Apple laptop computer found in Prince's bedroom.

j. On Monday 5-19-2016 Sgt. Meir received a phone call from Dr. Quin Strobel(ME) on whch the results of Prince's toxicology screening showed Prince had a lethal dose of the narcotic fentanyl in his system. (wasn't the information released prior to this date, or was it June?)

k. Dr. Schulenberg( who was at the scene on 4-21-2016) admitted to prescribing Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the landing but put the prescription in kirk Johnson's name for privacy.

L. Affiant learned that Prince did not have a regular doctor and that his managers would set him up with various doctors before a show so that Prince could get a "b12" injection before his performance. 

m. Affiant learned that Julia Yasine Ramadan(Prince's manager from 2011-2013) set up a google account for Prince identified as jyramadan@gmail.com.

n. DEA learned that Prince's computer had several email accounts to include mistag3@ gmail, peterbravestrong @gmail, paisleyparkafterdark@gmail, and jyramaan@gmail.

o. Affiant learned that Julia Ramadan told detective Kuhnau that after she heard about the drug overdose ,she had sent an email to Prince stating "sending my love" to which a response of "love recieved " was sent back to her.

p. On 9-19-2016, Affiant received information from google that all accounts were current. There was also a recovery email that was set up in the name of KAJhipfit.net which is one of the accounts registered to Kirk Johnson. The Affiant confirmed that they are aware that Kirk Johnson previously assisted Prince in obtaining a controlled substance by contacting Dr. Schulenberg on 4-14-16.
 


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I was aware of the withdrawals comment coming from his camp. Dr. S put a press release that pain pills were Kirk not Prince. Not sure way he told on himself with cops and then changed his story and appears to be getting away with it.

Is it not interesting that Ondansetron ODT is often prescribed for the following.
---
his medication is used alone or with other medications to prevent nausea and vomiting caused by cancer drug treatment (chemotherapy) and radiation therapy. It is also used to prevent and treat nausea and vomiting after surgery. It works by blocking one of the body's natural substances (serotonin) that causes vomiting.
--- Note that Prince was suppose to be in withdrawal but Dr. S was seeing him for joint pain and none of the drugs Dr. S prescribed would have helped ween him off of pain medications or had anything to do with joint pain.

I would bet that Prince had seen had doctor in the past under an assumed name either in the U.S or oversees and I bet his former manager is well aware of it.
[Edited 11/2/17 11:05am]
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Also note the drugs Doctor S prescribed. The diazepam was found in Prince's system but does anyone find it odd that he was prescribed so many drugs for anixiety along with the hydro that Kirk had?

Hydroxyzine is used to treat itching caused by allergies. It is an antihistamine and works by blocking a certain natural substance (histamine) that your body makes during an allergic reaction. Hydroxyzine may also be used short-term to treat anxietyor to help you feel sleepy/relaxed before and after surgery.
-----
Clonidine lowers blood pressure by decreasing the levels of certain chemicals in your blood. This allows your blood vessels to relax and your heart to beat more slowly and easily.
The Catapres brand of clonidine is used to treat hypertension (high blood pressure). The Kapvay brand is used to treat attention deficit hyperactivity disorder(


Valium, known as diazepam in its generic form, is a benzodiazepine primarily used for short-term relief from symptoms of anxiety disorders in children older than six months, adolescents, and adults. It may help relieve excessive worry, shortness of breath or heavy perspiration, feelings of edginess, and difficulty sleeping due to anxiety.
Valium can also be used to treat alcohol withdrawal, seizures, muscle spasms, or as a relaxing agent before medical procedures.
-----
The Valium should not be taken with other
Certain over-the-counter, prescription medications, and supplements can increase the risk of side effects or the levels of diazepam in the body including: alcohol, antihistamines, pain relievers, muscle relaxants, or other drugs that promote sleep and relieve anxiety.

Remember Andrew brought the Subxone for his as well. I am sorry but I think Prince was going to have problems even if the Fentenyl had not gotten to him.
[Edited 11/2/17 11:18am]
I think he had a doctor who out of his element and associates who were just as clueless.
[Edited 11/2/17 11:20am]

Ondansetron can also given when ur on pain relief medication as these type of medication can cause stomach complication / vomiting.

Diazepam is also used as a muscle relaxer.

Clonidine is also used for pain management.

neutral neutral it is difficult for doctor and patient to work out a pain medication protocol that works that also doesn’t cause other adverse complications.
Reply #23 posted 11/02/17 1:02pm

Menes

April 27th, 2016. Search warrant filed and issued. This is in reference to a search of the premises and the property that was taken into custody. I think this is the first warrant.

a. Fifteen(15) white capsules numbered "853" found on 2nd floor dressing room on east side.

b. CVS pharmacy bottle under the name of Kirk Johnson.

c. Vitamin D-2 bottle containing seven (7) green capsules with "194" imprint on it.

d. Eight(8) orange oval pills located in mirror room inside suitcase adjoining green room on 2nd floor.

e. Bayer bottle with (64 1/4) white pills with watson 853 written on them.

f. CVS pharmacy bottle containing ondanestron HCL 8mg. with the name Kirk Johnson written on it.

g. Ten(10) white pills with the inscriotion A-349

h. One(1) orange pill with the inscription "#8".

i. One (1) Aleve bottle containing 20 1/2 white pills with the inscription watson 853.

j. Recovery without walls pamphlet located in Purple Rain room.

k. Swabs of left and right hand and neck.

Reply #24 posted 11/02/17 1:03pm

TypoQueen

Menes said:

May 6th, 2016 Search warrant(s) filed and issued. This is in regards to medical records at Ridgeview Medical Center and Andrew Kornfeld's belongings.

a. Ridgeview paramedics arrived at Paisley park and found Prince unresponsive. CPR was started and was advised to stop. Paramedics called time of death at 1007 hours. 

b. Affiant interviewed Dr. Schulenberg and was advised that Dr. Schulenberg saw Prince on 4-7-2016 and 4-20-2016.  Affiant advised that some tests were performed and that he was dropping off the results that morning when Prince was found. Dr. Schulenberg advised that he did prescribed Prince prescriptions and that they were to be filled at Walgreens.

c. Affiant interviewd Kirk Johnson and was advised that Prince visited Ridgeview Hospital for an illness in 2014 or 2015 and that Prince received fluids at the visit.

d. An additonal warrant was added to search the contents of Andrew kornfeld's belonings that was kept at the Sherrifs Office.

e. When the officer arrived at Paisley Park, they found six (6) people on the premises including Andrew Kornfeld.

f. Andrew Kornfeld told the Affiant that he had flew in from Calfornia on 4-21-2016 and had arrived at around 6 am. 

g. Andrew Kornfeld told the Affiant that he, Meron Bekure, and Kirk Johnson, arrived at Paisleyt Park at around 0900 hours. 

h. He told the Affiant that after they arrived, Meron and Kirk began looking arond the studio for Prince. Andrew said he heard a scream and ran down the hall annd observed Prince lying on his left side in the elevator. The elevator is located near the front , north entry of the building.

i. Andrew told your Affiant that he received information from Kirk that Prince was struggling with opiate use and that Andrew believe Prince was suffering from opiate withdrawal.

j. Andrew disclosed that he had some pills with him and that he had brought some buprenorphine as the drug is used for opiate addicts. He also brought with him Adovan, which he states is used if someone is having a seizure. He also brought anti-nausea suppository if someone were puking.

k. Andrew Kornfeld espressed to affiant that if he had found Prince in distress he would've called his dad or a physician and had no intention of adminstering anything to Prince without talking to physician.

L. The back pack is currently being held at the Sherriff's office. They are numerous other contents but I wont mention all of them here.





Buprenorphine is also used to treat severe, long term pain.
Reply #25 posted 11/02/17 1:22pm

nelcp777

Thanks.

Reply #26 posted 11/02/17 1:26pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

Note that the script bottles in the search warrant are from CVS.

P went to Walgreen's the night before he passed.

There are no Walgreen scripts noted in the warrants.

Reply #27 posted 11/02/17 1:35pm

DD55

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Note that the script bottles in the search warrant are from CVS.

P went to Walgreen's the night before he passed.

There are no Walgreen scripts noted in the warrants.

yes, ISLIJAG, you are correct.

Also...

Maybe I’m dense, but I find some of these statements curious.

Or maybe I’m just nitpicking.

So, points ike C, E, F…they make sense to me…. a bottle and contents.

but things like…. B, CVS Bottle….so….. is it empty?

or G, 10 white pills… on the counter, in a bottle?

I seem to remember way back….. someone said one ‘bottle’ had a mixture of different pills but here the SW doesn’t reflect exactly where each discovery was.

Am I missing something here?

DD55

Reply #28 posted 11/02/17 1:57pm

laurarichardson

TypoQueen said:

laurarichardson said:


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I was aware of the withdrawals comment coming from his camp. Dr. S put a press release that pain pills were Kirk not Prince. Not sure way he told on himself with cops and then changed his story and appears to be getting away with it.

Is it not interesting that Ondansetron ODT is often prescribed for the following.
---
his medication is used alone or with other medications to prevent nausea and vomiting caused by cancer drug treatment (chemotherapy) and radiation therapy. It is also used to prevent and treat nausea and vomiting after surgery. It works by blocking one of the body's natural substances (serotonin) that causes vomiting.
--- Note that Prince was suppose to be in withdrawal but Dr. S was seeing him for joint pain and none of the drugs Dr. S prescribed would have helped ween him off of pain medications or had anything to do with joint pain.

I would bet that Prince had seen had doctor in the past under an assumed name either in the U.S or oversees and I bet his former manager is well aware of it.
[Edited 11/2/17 11:05am]
-----
Also note the drugs Doctor S prescribed. The diazepam was found in Prince's system but does anyone find it odd that he was prescribed so many drugs for anixiety along with the hydro that Kirk had?

Hydroxyzine is used to treat itching caused by allergies. It is an antihistamine and works by blocking a certain natural substance (histamine) that your body makes during an allergic reaction. Hydroxyzine may also be used short-term to treat anxietyor to help you feel sleepy/relaxed before and after surgery.
-----
Clonidine lowers blood pressure by decreasing the levels of certain chemicals in your blood. This allows your blood vessels to relax and your heart to beat more slowly and easily.
The Catapres brand of clonidine is used to treat hypertension (high blood pressure). The Kapvay brand is used to treat attention deficit hyperactivity disorder(


Valium, known as diazepam in its generic form, is a benzodiazepine primarily used for short-term relief from symptoms of anxiety disorders in children older than six months, adolescents, and adults. It may help relieve excessive worry, shortness of breath or heavy perspiration, feelings of edginess, and difficulty sleeping due to anxiety.
Valium can also be used to treat alcohol withdrawal, seizures, muscle spasms, or as a relaxing agent before medical procedures.
-----
The Valium should not be taken with other
Certain over-the-counter, prescription medications, and supplements can increase the risk of side effects or the levels of diazepam in the body including: alcohol, antihistamines, pain relievers, muscle relaxants, or other drugs that promote sleep and relieve anxiety.

Remember Andrew brought the Subxone for his as well. I am sorry but I think Prince was going to have problems even if the Fentenyl had not gotten to him.
[Edited 11/2/17 11:18am]
I think he had a doctor who out of his element and associates who were just as clueless.
[Edited 11/2/17 11:20am]

Ondansetron can also given when ur on pain relief medication as these type of medication can cause stomach complication / vomiting.

Diazepam is also used as a muscle relaxer.

Clonidine is also used for pain management.

neutral neutral it is difficult for doctor and patient to work out a pain medication protocol that works that also doesn’t cause other adverse complications.

Do you really think it is hard for a doctor to not realize that some of the meds working together are going to cause adverse reactions. How many pain relievers and aniexity meds does one person need at one time. Look some of these up they cannot be mixed with other drugs.
Reply #29 posted 11/02/17 1:57pm

Menes

Just wanted to say that I took away for these reports (coupled wth some other reports that I have) a strong sense of pain that was undeniable, and in no uncertaing terms , pointing to the end of the road.

The "don't ask, dont tell" choir is quite apparent and is indicative of the type of person he was.

There is one central figure in this story (besides Prince)whom the investigators certainly focused on very early on.

I do not believe that the amount of pills found are an indication of relief for merely "hip pain" or, that they soley represent addiction . Rather, that there was a more serious underlying illness, coupled with other ailments that compounded the problem of addiction. This cascading narrative inevitably was going to lead to a full disclosure of everything that was once guarded and impenetrable.

Accidental or not, I don't think he was in a very good space regardless of what he had planned for the future and he knew that.


For your records:


In Re: The Investigation into the Death of Prince Rogers Nelson

Reply #30 posted 11/02/17 1:58pm

rubymoon53

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Menes said: 2000 hours? eek

I think they meant 20 hours.


2000 hours .... twenty-hundred hours which would make it 8 p.m.

No matter your age, pursue your dreams so that you will LIVE.
Reply #31 posted 11/02/17 1:58pm

laurarichardson

Dibblekins said:

Twenty hundred hours (20.00) = 8pm.

I was given Odansetron for hyper-emesis gravidarum (non-stop pregnancy sickness) - so it isn't 'just' for cancer patients, although it is frequently prescribed as such.


Well we know Prince was not pregnant.
Reply #32 posted 11/02/17 2:03pm

XxAxX

sad poor sweetie. he had to have been in intense pain. bawl

Reply #33 posted 11/02/17 2:20pm

ThatWhiteDude

laurarichardson said:

Dibblekins said:

Twenty hundred hours (20.00) = 8pm.

I was given Odansetron for hyper-emesis gravidarum (non-stop pregnancy sickness) - so it isn't 'just' for cancer patients, although it is frequently prescribed as such.


Well we know Prince was not pregnant.

But he had withdrawal symptoms on one of them is nausea and vomiting
"Like books and BLACK LIVES, Albums still MATTER."
Reply #34 posted 11/02/17 2:23pm

anangellooksdown

XxAxX said:

sad  poor sweetie.  he had to have been in intense pain.  bawl



Exactly my thoughts. I feel he couldn't stand the pain anymore. I am sad all over again today.
[Edited 11/2/17 16:47pm]
~Paisley Park is in your heart~
Reply #35 posted 11/02/17 2:29pm

TypoQueen

laurarichardson said:

TypoQueen said:


Ondansetron can also given when ur on pain relief medication as these type of medication can cause stomach complication / vomiting.

Diazepam is also used as a muscle relaxer.

Clonidine is also used for pain management.

neutral neutral it is difficult for doctor and patient to work out a pain medication protocol that works that also doesn’t cause other adverse complications.

Do you really think it is hard for a doctor to not realize that some of the meds working together are going to cause adverse reactions. How many pain relievers and aniexity meds does one person need at one time. Look some of these up they cannot be mixed with other drugs.

I am on all them and a lot more. My choice at this moment in time is medication and risk adverse reactions. An operation that is highly likely to leave me paralysed needing round the clock care along with a life time of medications is something I am not willing to do. I know the risks. Doctors know the risks. Doctors prescribe these drugs in hope to give you a quality of life. Sometimes science gives us no option but to take medications that can cause other organ damage while trying to stop pain that’s intolerable.
Reply #36 posted 11/02/17 2:35pm

TypoQueen

XxAxX said:

sad  poor sweetie.  he had to have been in intense pain.  bawl


hug
Reply #37 posted 11/02/17 2:40pm

Polo1026

ThatWhiteDude said:

Menes said:

June 1st, 2016 Search warrant filed and issued. Some information may overlap with previous posts. This is in relation to additonal Cellular tower Dumps for Sprint.

a. The Affiant , detective, Tyles Stahn received information from interviews that Prince's assistant had arranged between Prince and medical professionals to assess Prince's medical concerns. One of those professionals was Andrew Kornfeld. Kornfeld was at Prince's residence when Prince was found deceased.

b. Kornfeld was found to be in possession of several controlled substances that he did not have a prescription for.

c. During the course of the investigation , investigators learned that Prince had not been heard or seen from since 4-20-2016 around 2000 hours. The Affiant is aware that there is no security or video surveillance and that Prince lived by himself.

d. The investigation reveals that interviews of those who were there when Prince was found that morning, are inconsistent and contradictory at times.

e. The Affiant is aware that friends of Prince who were there were receiving and making phone calls/ text messages on the morning his body was found.

2000 hours? eek

It's military time so 20:00 is 8pm.

Reply #38 posted 11/02/17 3:31pm

Bodhitheblackdog

Thanks and blessings, Menes.

Reply #39 posted 11/02/17 3:56pm

Menes

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Thanks and blessings, Menes.

Welcome to all.

Did anyone notice that there were six (6) people that morning when the officer arrived? I count Andrew, Merue, Kirk and Dr. Schulenberg. Judith was already in California, I believe. How far does Tyka live from Prince? Why wasn't she contacted at any time that morning?

Reply #40 posted 11/02/17 4:14pm

RJOrion

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:


Well we know Prince was not pregnant.

But he had withdrawal symptoms on one of them is nausea and vomiting



odansetron is widely used for HIV/AIDS patients...initial tabloid reports after the Moline airplane incident, implied Prince was about to die of AIDS...then he died...not saying he had AIDS or didnt...just reviewing the facts before and after the death...if he was suffering from AIDS, the entire before and after timeline makes sense...
Reply #41 posted 11/02/17 4:17pm

DD55

Menes said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Thanks and blessings, Menes.

Welcome to all.

Did anyone notice that there were six (6) people that morning when the officer arrived? I count Andrew, Merue, Kirk and Dr. Schulenberg. Judith was already in California, I believe. How far does Tyka live from Prince? Why wasn't she contacted at any time that morning?

I thought about that... Wasn't there another doctor (not the doctor's appt with whom he supposedly had that morning another one)? And, I wondered if they actually counted P in the count of 6.

Interesting question.

DD55

Reply #42 posted 11/02/17 4:21pm

DD55

RJOrion said:

ThatWhiteDude said:
But he had withdrawal symptoms on one of them is nausea and vomiting
odansetron is widely used for HIV/AIDS patients...initial tabloid reports after the Moline airplane incident, implied Prince was about to die of AIDS...then he died...not saying he had AIDS or didnt...just reviewing the facts before and after the death...if he was suffering from AIDS, the entire before and after timeline makes sense...

I could be wrong... but the way I remember it....right before or right after he passed away, didn't the clerk at the pharmacy say he was picking up medications normally used to treat HIV/AIDS, then the story ...poof, just went away. Am I remembering that wrong? confuse

Reply #43 posted 11/02/17 4:43pm

Bodhitheblackdog

DD55 said:

RJOrion said:

ThatWhiteDude said: odansetron is widely used for HIV/AIDS patients...initial tabloid reports after the Moline airplane incident, implied Prince was about to die of AIDS...then he died...not saying he had AIDS or didnt...just reviewing the facts before and after the death...if he was suffering from AIDS, the entire before and after timeline makes sense...

I could be wrong... but the way I remember it....right before or right after he passed away, didn't the clerk at the pharmacy say he was picking up medications normally used to treat HIV/AIDS, then the story ...poof, just went away. Am I remembering that wrong? confuse

No.

Reply #44 posted 11/02/17 4:46pm

OzlemUcucu

DD55 said:

RJOrion said:

ThatWhiteDude said: odansetron is widely used for HIV/AIDS patients...initial tabloid reports after the Moline airplane incident, implied Prince was about to die of AIDS...then he died...not saying he had AIDS or didnt...just reviewing the facts before and after the death...if he was suffering from AIDS, the entire before and after timeline makes sense...

I could be wrong... but the way I remember it....right before or right after he passed away, didn't the clerk at the pharmacy say he was picking up medications normally used to treat HIV/AIDS, then the story ...poof, just went away. Am I remembering that wrong? confuse

No, you are right, but it was a tabloid newspaper.

I don't know what difference it makes if he died from cancer or AIDS or overdose of pain meds?! At the end of the day, he had to take pain meds to the extent that his body couldn't take them anymore, probably causing several organ failures. He's been on medication for so long in order to do what he loved doing.

What bothers me most is the more details are revealed in the media, the more shit news will come out and everyone will change the narrative. There are certain things he didn't want to be known and this was his will. Isn't it ok to accept that?

I don't understand what comfort it gives to some folks if his name is in the headline with some shit news. I really don't understand. Can someone explain this to me?

Btw DD55 this is not directed to you. I just replied to your question.

Prince I will always miss and love U.
Reply #45 posted 11/02/17 4:57pm

DD55

OzlemUcucu said:

DD55 said:

I could be wrong... but the way I remember it....right before or right after he passed away, didn't the clerk at the pharmacy say he was picking up medications normally used to treat HIV/AIDS, then the story ...poof, just went away. Am I remembering that wrong? confuse

No, you are right, but it was a tabloid newspaper.

I don't know what difference it makes if he died from cancer or AIDS or overdose of pain meds?! At the end of the day, he had to take pain meds to the extent that his body couldn't take them anymore, probably causing several organ failures. He's been on medication for so long in order to do what he loved doing.

What bothers me most is the more details are revealed in the media, the more shit news will come out and everyone will change the narrative. There are certain things he didn't want to be known and this was his will. Isn't it ok to accept that?

I don't understand what comfort it gives to some folks if his name is in the headline with some shit news. I really don't understand. Can someone explain this to me?

Btw DD55 this is not directed to you. I just replied to your question.

Oz, I don’t think that people, here at least, necessarily want to ‘see his name in headlines’ saying anything the would reflect badly on him. I think it’s just the human condition to be curious and here we all are on prince.org, discussing P and his work— with this huge question mark above it all and hovering in the background…. so discussions sorta slide into the speculation territory. If no one cared, then no one would be here. Peace, DD55

Reply #46 posted 11/02/17 5:07pm

OzlemUcucu

DD55 said:

OzlemUcucu said:

No, you are right, but it was a tabloid newspaper.

I don't know what difference it makes if he died from cancer or AIDS or overdose of pain meds?! At the end of the day, he had to take pain meds to the extent that his body couldn't take them anymore, probably causing several organ failures. He's been on medication for so long in order to do what he loved doing.

What bothers me most is the more details are revealed in the media, the more shit news will come out and everyone will change the narrative. There are certain things he didn't want to be known and this was his will. Isn't it ok to accept that?

I don't understand what comfort it gives to some folks if his name is in the headline with some shit news. I really don't understand. Can someone explain this to me?

Btw DD55 this is not directed to you. I just replied to your question.

Oz, I don’t think that people, here at least, necessarily want to ‘see his name in headlines’ saying anything the would reflect badly on him. I think it’s just the human condition to be curious and here we all are on prince.org, discussing P and his work— with this huge question mark above it all and hovering in the background…. so discussions sorta slide into the speculation territory. If no one cared, then no one would be here. Peace, DD55

I know but you see there are folks (fans) who'd rather prefer to see pictures of him dead in an elevator so that they can understand he is gone. Others not so much. This is the difference.

The reality is once any information about him is out there it's going to change his narrative. If he had cancer or AIDS people will have a different perception and to honest, it's nobody's business. I think he has told us everything, and I am not saying I am not interested in knowing the real cause of his death, but some on here come up with odd theories and force their perspectives onto others. The real shit stirrers.

Prince I will always miss and love U.
Reply #47 posted 11/02/17 5:29pm

Tresha68

In my heart I think P had cancer. Photos of the last four years of him in succession is all I need to see.
Reply #48 posted 11/02/17 5:30pm

PennyPurple

Menes said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Thanks and blessings, Menes.

Welcome to all.

Did anyone notice that there were six (6) people that morning when the officer arrived? I count Andrew, Merue, Kirk and Dr. Schulenberg. Judith was already in California, I believe. How far does Tyka live from Prince? Why wasn't she contacted at any time that morning?

2 paramedics, I beleive.

Reply #49 posted 11/02/17 5:32pm

herb4

Strawberrylova123 said:

Menes said:

I wanted to disregard all of the tabloid information I've read and focus soley on the facts of each search warrant that was reviewed here. Of note, there are some things in these warrants that I was not aware of and found interesting. Some if not most of it, is already known here on the org. I will highlight the tidbits that I wasn't aware of until taking a closer look at the warrants. I wil post each in descending order as time permits.

September 19, 2016 warrant filed and issued.

1. This is the warrant for all data maintained by Google, Inc. for the Gmail account identified as Paislerparkafterdark@gmail.com. The facts tending to establish foregoing grounds for issuance are as followed.

Below are the finding from the "Affiant" , detective Christina Warner, of the Carver County Sherriff's office for 16 years.

a. On April 21, 2016 at 0943 hours , the Sheriffs deputies were dispatched to Paisley Park studios.

b. Prince Rogers Nelson was found in an elevator and not breathing.

c. Prince was unresponsive and pronounced deceased at the scene.

d. Witnesses at the scene that were interviewed stated that Prince recently had a history of going thru withdrawals which are believed to be the result of the abuse of prescription medication. ( I wasn't aware that someone in Prince's camp stated that).

e. The Affiant learned that Prince had "passed out" during a flight from Atlanta.

f. According to one of the witnesses interviewed, Prince admitted to taking 1-2 "pain pills" during this flight.

g. During the search of Prince's residence, detectives located numerous controlled substance pills in various containers and areas of Prince's bedroom, some of which was in a suitcase with the name tag of "Peter Bravestrong". Inside of the suitcase were several prescription bottles in the name of Kirk Johnson.

h. Prince had no prescriptions issued to him but Kirk Johnson had Oxycodone prescribed to him by Dr. Michael Schuelenberg on 4-14-2016 according to the Minnesota Prescription Monitoring Program.

i. On 4-26-16 Attorney Gary Hansen (who had been appointed to take care of Prince's affairs after death) provided consent for the Sherriff's office to take custody of a silver Apple laptop computer found in Prince's bedroom.

j. On Monday 5-19-2016 Sgt. Meir received a phone call from Dr. Quin Strobel(ME) on whch the results of Prince's toxicology screening showed Prince had a lethal dose of the narcotic fentanyl in his system. (wasn't the information released prior to this date, or was it June?)

k. Dr. Schulenberg( who was at the scene on 4-21-2016) admitted to prescribing Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the landing but put the prescription in kirk Johnson's name for privacy.

L. Affiant learned that Prince did not have a regular doctor and that his managers would set him up with various doctors before a show so that Prince could get a "b12" injection before his performance.

m. Affiant learned that Julia Yasine Ramadan(Prince's manager from 2011-2013) set up a google account for Prince identified as jyramadan@gmail.com.

n. DEA learned that Prince's computer had several email accounts to include mistag3@ gmail, peterbravestrong @gmail, paisleyparkafterdark@gmail, and jyramaan@gmail.

o. Affiant learned that Julia Ramadan told detective Kuhnau that after she heard about the drug overdose ,she had sent an email to Prince stating "sending my love" to which a response of "love recieved " was sent back to her.

p. On 9-19-2016, Affiant received information from google that all accounts were current. There was also a recovery email that was set up in the name of KAJhipfit.net which is one of the accounts registered to Kirk Johnson. The Affiant confirmed that they are aware that Kirk Johnson previously assisted Prince in obtaining a controlled substance by contacting Dr. Schulenberg on 4-14-16.


Thank you for posting facts and not hearsay wink


Seconding this. At first, when I saw the thread title, I was like "oh shit. Not again".

Good stuff and finally a decent, logical, well written OP worthy of discussion.


EDIT:


Aaaannnnndddd now, scrolling through the posts, the usual suspects are fucking it up again.

Why do I bother? Good post, RubyMoon53. Sorry it got spun into insane town.

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Reply #50 posted 11/02/17 5:33pm

DD55

wave Hi Penny!

Reply #51 posted 11/02/17 5:35pm

PennyPurple

hug

DD55 said:

wave Hi Penny!

Reply #52 posted 11/02/17 6:04pm

Menes

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

Welcome to all.

Did anyone notice that there were six (6) people that morning when the officer arrived? I count Andrew, Merue, Kirk and Dr. Schulenberg. Judith was already in California, I believe. How far does Tyka live from Prince? Why wasn't she contacted at any time that morning?

2 paramedics, I beleive.

That may be it.

I am still try to process why Tyka is not mentioned in the documents if she had some knowledge of him passing in the way that she mentions? It is clear that they were not aware of this "(3) year" business.

Why would she mention it now and not then? There is an ongoing investigation ( clearly investigators think a crime was committed) and I'm not sure how what she says plays into the whole thing. It is as if it eliminates any need for further investigation.

Thoughts anyone?

Reply #53 posted 11/02/17 6:06pm

Bodhitheblackdog

herb4...you're baaaaack! YEAH!!!

Reply #54 posted 11/02/17 6:07pm

ThatWhiteDude

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

2 paramedics, I beleive.

That may be it.

I am still try to process why Tyka is not mentioned in the documents if she had some knowledge of him passing in the way that she mentions? It is clear that they were not aware of this "(3) year" business.

Why would she mention it now and not then? There is an ongoing investigation ( clearly investigators think a crime was committed) and I'm not sure how what she says plays into the whole thing. It is as if it eliminates any need for further investigation.

Thoughts anyone?

I recently read that they found not only fentanyl in the pill he took, but in at least one pill of all the medics they found. And that would be, if it's true, no coincidence.

"Like books and BLACK LIVES, Albums still MATTER."
Reply #55 posted 11/02/17 6:07pm

PennyPurple

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

2 paramedics, I beleive.

That may be it.

I am still try to process why Tyka is not mentioned in the documents if she had some knowledge of him passing in the way that she mentions? It is clear that they were not aware of this "(3) year" business.

Why would she mention it now and not then? There is an ongoing investigation ( clearly investigators think a crime was committed) and I'm not sure how what she says plays into the whole thing. It is as if it eliminates any need for further investigation.

Thoughts anyone?

I think Law Enforcement knows exactly if, and what disease he had. At this point if they are still investigating it, it's only to find out who is making and pushing the pills.

Reply #56 posted 11/02/17 6:08pm

Strawberrylova123

Menes said:

 



PennyPurple said:


 



Menes said:


 


Welcome to all. 

Did anyone notice that there were six (6) people that morning when the officer arrived? I count Andrew, Merue, Kirk  and Dr. Schulenberg. Judith was already in California, I believe.  How far does Tyka live from Prince?  Why wasn't she contacted at any time that morning? 



2 paramedics, I beleive.



That may be it. 

I am still try to process why Tyka is not mentioned in the documents if she had some knowledge of him passing in the way that she mentions? It is clear that they were not aware of this "(3) year" business. 

Why would she mention it now and not then? There is an ongoing investigation ( clearly investigators think a crime was committed) and I'm not sure how what she says plays into the whole thing. It is as if it eliminates any need for further investigation.  

Thoughts anyone? 


What i don't understand is if she knew he was going to die within 3 years why did she let him die alone in a elevator
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Reply #57 posted 11/02/17 6:10pm

ThatWhiteDude

Strawberrylova123 said:

Menes said:

That may be it.

I am still try to process why Tyka is not mentioned in the documents if she had some knowledge of him passing in the way that she mentions? It is clear that they were not aware of this "(3) year" business.

Why would she mention it now and not then? There is an ongoing investigation ( clearly investigators think a crime was committed) and I'm not sure how what she says plays into the whole thing. It is as if it eliminates any need for further investigation.

Thoughts anyone?

What i don't is understand if she knew he was going to die within 3 years why did she let him die alone in a elevator

Because she couldn't know that he'd die on an overdose.

"Like books and BLACK LIVES, Albums still MATTER."
Reply #58 posted 11/02/17 6:12pm

Bodhitheblackdog

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

2 paramedics, I beleive.

That may be it.

I am still try to process why Tyka is not mentioned in the documents if she had some knowledge of him passing in the way that she mentions? It is clear that they were not aware of this "(3) year" business.

Why would she mention it now and not then? There is an ongoing investigation ( clearly investigators think a crime was committed) and I'm not sure how what she says plays into the whole thing. It is as if it eliminates any need for further investigation.

Thoughts anyone?

Please, everyone stay calm and rational, but perhaps out of wisdom/knowledge gained from her own battles with drug addiction she saw 2 years before his death that if he didn't get into locked-down treatment immediately..there was going to be an inevitable crash and burn two years down the road.

Want to know every little thing about drugs and what they do to your body? Ask a drug user. She knew. An I'm sure when she mentioned treatment (Like Prince had paid for for her...like any loving sister would have suggeted) he said ,'No way'...so that's why she was prepared for the call. It's never been mysterious to me.

Reply #59 posted 11/02/17 6:17pm

ThatWhiteDude

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

That may be it.

I am still try to process why Tyka is not mentioned in the documents if she had some knowledge of him passing in the way that she mentions? It is clear that they were not aware of this "(3) year" business.

Why would she mention it now and not then? There is an ongoing investigation ( clearly investigators think a crime was committed) and I'm not sure how what she says plays into the whole thing. It is as if it eliminates any need for further investigation.

Thoughts anyone?

Please, everyone stay calm and rational, but perhaps out of wisdom/knowledge gained from her own battles with drug addiction she saw 2 years before his death that if he didn't get into locked-down treatment immediately..there was going to be an inevitable crash and burn two years down the road.

Want to know every little thing about drugs and what they do to your body? Ask a drug user. She knew. An I'm sure when she mentioned treatment (Like Prince had paid for for her...like any loving sister would have suggeted) he said ,'No way'...so that's why she was prepared for the call. It's never been mysterious to me.

Could be true, maybe that's why she won't get more specific, she could be afraid of the backlash if Fans knew that.

"Like books and BLACK LIVES, Albums still MATTER."
Reply #60 posted 11/02/17 6:21pm

Menes

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

That may be it.

I am still try to process why Tyka is not mentioned in the documents if she had some knowledge of him passing in the way that she mentions? It is clear that they were not aware of this "(3) year" business.

Why would she mention it now and not then? There is an ongoing investigation ( clearly investigators think a crime was committed) and I'm not sure how what she says plays into the whole thing. It is as if it eliminates any need for further investigation.

Thoughts anyone?

I think Law Enforcement knows exactly if, and what disease he had. At this point if they are still investigating it, it's only to find out who is making and pushing the pills.

Hmmm, well they are too many pushers and manufacturers worldwide to narrow that down. What I think is still of interest is how did Prince get the pills for himself.

I don't believe that a person(street pusher) gave those pills to Prince. I don't think he would risk that kind of exposure. They never released the contents of all the electronic forensics for us to see. I do agree that there is a source.

Reply #61 posted 11/02/17 6:23pm

Bodhitheblackdog

ThatWhiteDude said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Please, everyone stay calm and rational, but perhaps out of wisdom/knowledge gained from her own battles with drug addiction she saw 2 years before his death that if he didn't get into locked-down treatment immediately..there was going to be an inevitable crash and burn two years down the road.

Want to know every little thing about drugs and what they do to your body? Ask a drug user. She knew. An I'm sure when she mentioned treatment (Like Prince had paid for for her...like any loving sister would have suggeted) he said ,'No way'...so that's why she was prepared for the call. It's never been mysterious to me.

Could be true, maybe that's why she won't get more specific, she could be afraid of the backlash if Fans knew that.

Thanks White Dude, excellent point. Makes perfect sense. I can see the Orgers. flaming her along the lines of 'why didn't you have him physically dragged into treatment?'...but she knew him and loved him and wouldn't have disrespected him that brutally. I'll wager that from the time he was 17, if Prince had any control of a situation he NEVER did anything unless he wanted to. It was his downfall, his tragic weakness, his Achilles heel. RIP.

Reply #62 posted 11/02/17 6:28pm

Menes

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

That may be it.

I am still try to process why Tyka is not mentioned in the documents if she had some knowledge of him passing in the way that she mentions? It is clear that they were not aware of this "(3) year" business.

Why would she mention it now and not then? There is an ongoing investigation ( clearly investigators think a crime was committed) and I'm not sure how what she says plays into the whole thing. It is as if it eliminates any need for further investigation.

Thoughts anyone?

Please, everyone stay calm and rational, but perhaps out of wisdom/knowledge gained from her own battles with drug addiction she saw 2 years before his death that if he didn't get into locked-down treatment immediately..there was going to be an inevitable crash and burn two years down the road.

Want to know every little thing about drugs and what they do to your body? Ask a drug user. She knew. An I'm sure when she mentioned treatment (Like Prince had paid for for her...like any loving sister would have suggeted) he said ,'No way'...so that's why she was prepared for the call. It's never been mysterious to me.

Knowing what you know of her( as in , she talks too much), and what you know of Prince, do you think that Prince would risk telling her such a thing?

As a reminder ,didn't she drag Andre Cymone's name into something? I don't think he wanted any part of that.

Reply #63 posted 11/02/17 6:32pm

ThatWhiteDude

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Could be true, maybe that's why she won't get more specific, she could be afraid of the backlash if Fans knew that.

Thanks White Dude, excellent point. Makes perfect sense. I can see the Orgers. flaming her along the lines of 'why didn't you have him physically dragged into treatment?'...but she knew him and loved him and wouldn't have disrespected him that brutally. I'll wager that from the time he was 17, if Prince had any control of a situation he NEVER did anything unless he wanted to. It was his downfall, his tragic weakness, his Achilles heel. RIP.

It's sad, but that's very true tho sad

"Like books and BLACK LIVES, Albums still MATTER."
Reply #64 posted 11/02/17 6:33pm

ThatWhiteDude

Menes said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Please, everyone stay calm and rational, but perhaps out of wisdom/knowledge gained from her own battles with drug addiction she saw 2 years before his death that if he didn't get into locked-down treatment immediately..there was going to be an inevitable crash and burn two years down the road.

Want to know every little thing about drugs and what they do to your body? Ask a drug user. She knew. An I'm sure when she mentioned treatment (Like Prince had paid for for her...like any loving sister would have suggeted) he said ,'No way'...so that's why she was prepared for the call. It's never been mysterious to me.

Knowing what you know of her( as in , she talks too much), and what you know of Prince, do you think that Prince would risk telling her such a thing?

As a reminder ,didn't she drag Andre Cymone's name into something? I don't think he wanted any part of that.

Did he say something about that Interview and that she mentioned him? Would be interesting to know what he thinks about that.

"Like books and BLACK LIVES, Albums still MATTER."
Reply #65 posted 11/02/17 6:39pm

laurarichardson

TypoQueen said:

laurarichardson said:


Do you really think it is hard for a doctor to not realize that some of the meds working together are going to cause adverse reactions. How many pain relievers and aniexity meds does one person need at one time. Look some of these up they cannot be mixed with other drugs.

I am on all them and a lot more. My choice at this moment in time is medication and risk adverse reactions. An operation that is highly likely to leave me paralysed needing round the clock care along with a life time of medications is something I am not willing to do. I know the risks. Doctors know the risks. Doctors prescribe these drugs in hope to give you a quality of life. Sometimes science gives us no option but to take medications that can cause other organ damage while trying to stop pain that’s intolerable.

—Then that would prove my point that he was being treated for pain at the end of his life. A doctor would not be concerned about the mix of meds if the goal was to make him comfortable. I am sorry with all of these meds what else does it look like he was prescribed these meds for.
Reply #66 posted 11/02/17 6:43pm

laurarichardson

ThatWhiteDude said:

 



Menes said:


 



Bodhitheblackdog said:


 


Please, everyone stay calm and rational, but perhaps out of wisdom/knowledge gained from her own battles with drug addiction she saw 2 years before his death that if he didn't get into locked-down treatment immediately..there was going to be an inevitable crash and burn two years down the road.


 


Want to know every little thing about drugs and what they do to your body? Ask a drug user. She knew. An I'm sure when she mentioned treatment (Like Prince had paid for for her...like any loving sister would have suggeted) he said ,'No way'...so that's why she was prepared for the call. It's never been mysterious to me.



Knowing what you know of her( as in , she talks too much), and what you know of Prince, do you think that Prince would risk telling her such a thing? 

As a reminder ,didn't she drag Andre Cymone's name into something? I don't think he wanted any part of that.



Did he say something about that Interview and that she mentioned him? Would be interesting to know what he thinks about that.



Okay at this point you did not even bother to listen to the interview and have made up your mind to attack this women for talking about her brother (not your brother) and still not really telling us everything. She and all the other people who say we do not know the whole story are all working together to blow your victim of the opiad crisis dream😳
Reply #67 posted 11/02/17 6:45pm

laurarichardson

Strawberrylova123 said:

Menes said:

 



PennyPurple said:


 



Menes said:


 


Welcome to all. 

Did anyone notice that there were six (6) people that morning when the officer arrived? I count Andrew, Merue, Kirk  and Dr. Schulenberg. Judith was already in California, I believe.  How far does Tyka live from Prince?  Why wasn't she contacted at any time that morning? 



2 paramedics, I beleive.



That may be it. 

I am still try to process why Tyka is not mentioned in the documents if she had some knowledge of him passing in the way that she mentions? It is clear that they were not aware of this "(3) year" business. 

Why would she mention it now and not then? There is an ongoing investigation ( clearly investigators think a crime was committed) and I'm not sure how what she says plays into the whole thing. It is as if it eliminates any need for further investigation.  

Thoughts anyone? 


What i don't understand is if she knew he was going to die within 3 years why did she let him die alone in a elevator
[Edited 11/2/17 18:10pm]

Because he wanted to be alone. He sent everyone away and he turned off those cameras. He did just what he wanted to do and do not assume that anything could be done.
Reply #68 posted 11/02/17 6:50pm

DD55

Strawberrylova123 said:

Menes said:

That may be it.

I am still try to process why Tyka is not mentioned in the documents if she had some knowledge of him passing in the way that she mentions? It is clear that they were not aware of this "(3) year" business.

Why would she mention it now and not then? There is an ongoing investigation ( clearly investigators think a crime was committed) and I'm not sure how what she says plays into the whole thing. It is as if it eliminates any need for further investigation.

Thoughts anyone?

What i don't understand is if she knew he was going to die within 3 years why did she let him die alone in a elevator [Edited 11/2/17 18:10pm]

Strawberry,

i am sure she did everything she could. Someone can only do so much. I can’t say I relate to her exactly but I know there comes a time when you have to respect people’s wishes. My mom died of cancer, when she was diagnosed, she refused treatment! No amount of pleading, yelling, crying… nothing would change her mind. She said she would rather have 2 years of relatively good quality of life than 5 years of chemo and being sick for the entire time. None of us could change her mind.

~~DD55


Reply #69 posted 11/02/17 6:52pm

ThatWhiteDude

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Did he say something about that Interview and that she mentioned him? Would be interesting to know what he thinks about that.

Okay at this point you did not even bother to listen to the interview and have made up your mind to attack this women for talking about her brother (not your brother) and still not really telling us everything. She and all the other people who say we do not know the whole story are all working together to blow your victim of the opiad crisis dream😳

Just like your dream that P had cancer or some other illness? It's really arrogant to think that people who believe the opiote crisis theorie are dumb and simply dreaming and that you know as a fact that he was terminal ill.

"Like books and BLACK LIVES, Albums still MATTER."
Reply #70 posted 11/02/17 6:53pm

Bodhitheblackdog

laurarichardson said:

Strawberrylova123 said:
What i don't understand is if she knew he was going to die within 3 years why did she let him die alone in a elevator [Edited 11/2/17 18:10pm]
Because he wanted to be alone. He sent everyone away and he turned off those cameras. He did just what he wanted to do and do not assume that anything could be done.

It's killing me, but I agree with you on this one, LR.

Reply #71 posted 11/02/17 7:06pm

80tomato

He played at the Chanhassen Supper club in March ...and yes he did look good

www.startribune.com/prince-gives-surprise-brief...chanhassen-dinner.../371944961/

laurarichardson said:

4 of the drugs listed came from Dr. S. From what I am reading he should not have been given all these anti-anxiety meds along with the Hydro. Even if Dr. S is telling the truth and he wrote the pain meds for Kirk he had to have been aware that P was having a problem with pain meds especially if he was seeing him for joint pain.

It does not make sense for the doctor to have prescribed all that stuff. It was not found that he was a long term user of Fentanyl so I believe that was something he was not aware of.

I cannot figure out why take the bootleg pills if Kirk had the real thing. So we have to think he got confused ( thus accidental o.d) or he just did not care. After all he got a rack of drugs from Dr. S and he still took the bootleg stuff as well.

He could have gone anywhere to get Subxone and been straight.

I still say the anti-nausea drugs are suspect as they are mainly used for cancer treatment but at the same time Prince was out the day before riding a bike and had gone to a night club.

Looks like a million bucks playing at the Channahsen Supper Club back in January.

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Reply #72 posted 11/02/17 7:09pm

Menes

laurarichardson said:

Strawberrylova123 said:
What i don't understand is if she knew he was going to die within 3 years why did she let him die alone in a elevator [Edited 11/2/17 18:10pm]
Because he wanted to be alone. He sent everyone away and he turned off those cameras. He did just what he wanted to do and do not assume that anything could be done.

Correct. Sent them all off, and was not heard or seen from from since 8pm on 4-20-2016. It seems that when Kirk went to Walgreens to pick up the prescription( on the same day), that would be the last time he saw Prince.

I don't know if that picture on TMZ of Prince in the parking lot is accurate or not, but if it is, you can see there are some clues there in reference to time of day.

Reply #73 posted 11/02/17 7:56pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

2 paramedics, I beleive.

That may be it.

I am still try to process why Tyka is not mentioned in the documents if she had some knowledge of him passing in the way that she mentions? It is clear that they were not aware of this "(3) year" business.

Why would she mention it now and not then? There is an ongoing investigation ( clearly investigators think a crime was committed) and I'm not sure how what she says plays into the whole thing. It is as if it eliminates any need for further investigation.

Thoughts anyone?

Tyka is not mentioned because information she provided was not needed in the narrative to obtain the search warrants.

I am certain they interviewed Tyka and her interview is in the investigative file that we will never see.

Reply #74 posted 11/02/17 8:43pm

CooperC62057

First, thank you Menes for taking the time to list the search warrant information on the org again. It is easy to become confused between the factual and the hearsay. I would suggest that anyone who wishes to keep this info for reference to take note of it since I can see the same battle lines over these issues being developed already and the thread will eventually vanish.
That being said, for what it’s worth, I know someone who had an opiate addiction who had the same exact three medications prescribed to them to treat the symptoms of withdrawal so no points are PROVEN that these meds were prescribed for pain or cancer. Could have been any of them. Also note that when someone has pain AND an opiate addiction, that pain will actually increase in intensity.
Further, during opiate addiction, a person may be trying to wean off of them, show signs of withdrawal, take a smaller than usual dosage and bounce back to normal for several hours (times when he was seen in public) and repeat this behavior until detoxed and entering into a rehab facility.
Don’t get me wrong, he could have had an illness (although in those warrants there is absolutely NO mention or indication in that direction, he could have had pain, but it is quite apparent he had an addiction issue. One thing I am certain of, someone KNEW whether they wanted to admit it to themselves or others, they KNEW.
"Remember when you told me that love was touching souls?" ☔️ A Case of You ☔️
Reply #75 posted 11/02/17 8:49pm

XxAxX

TypoQueen said:

laurarichardson said:
Do you really think it is hard for a doctor to not realize that some of the meds working together are going to cause adverse reactions. How many pain relievers and aniexity meds does one person need at one time. Look some of these up they cannot be mixed with other drugs.
I am on all them and a lot more. My choice at this moment in time is medication and risk adverse reactions. An operation that is highly likely to leave me paralysed needing round the clock care along with a life time of medications is something I am not willing to do. I know the risks. Doctors know the risks. Doctors prescribe these drugs in hope to give you a quality of life. Sometimes science gives us no option but to take medications that can cause other organ damage while trying to stop pain that’s intolerable.


hug rose i hope you recover

Reply #76 posted 11/02/17 9:05pm

Bodhitheblackdog

CooperC62057 said:

First, thank you Menes for taking the time to list the search warrant information on the org again. It is easy to become confused between the factual and the hearsay. I would suggest that anyone who wishes to keep this info for reference to take note of it since I can see the same battle lines over these issues being developed already and the thread will eventually vanish. That being said, for what it’s worth, I know someone who had an opiate addiction who had the same exact three medications prescribed to them to treat the symptoms of withdrawal so no points are PROVEN that these meds were prescribed for pain or cancer. Could have been any of them. Also note that when someone has pain AND an opiate addiction, that pain will actually increase in intensity. Further, during opiate addiction, a person may be trying to wean off of them, show signs of withdrawal, take a smaller than usual dosage and bounce back to normal for several hours (times when he was seen in public) and repeat this behavior until detoxed and entering into a rehab facility. Don’t get me wrong, he could have had an illness (although in those warrants there is absolutely NO mention or indication in that direction, he could have had pain, but it is quite apparent he had an addiction issue. One thing I am certain of, someone KNEW whether they wanted to admit it to themselves or others, they KNEW.

MANY people knew, I swear this is true. And the most difficult thing for me to accept is that they knew for YEARS.

Reply #77 posted 11/02/17 9:10pm

PennyPurple

Bodhitheblackdog said:

CooperC62057 said:

First, thank you Menes for taking the time to list the search warrant information on the org again. It is easy to become confused between the factual and the hearsay. I would suggest that anyone who wishes to keep this info for reference to take note of it since I can see the same battle lines over these issues being developed already and the thread will eventually vanish. That being said, for what it’s worth, I know someone who had an opiate addiction who had the same exact three medications prescribed to them to treat the symptoms of withdrawal so no points are PROVEN that these meds were prescribed for pain or cancer. Could have been any of them. Also note that when someone has pain AND an opiate addiction, that pain will actually increase in intensity. Further, during opiate addiction, a person may be trying to wean off of them, show signs of withdrawal, take a smaller than usual dosage and bounce back to normal for several hours (times when he was seen in public) and repeat this behavior until detoxed and entering into a rehab facility. Don’t get me wrong, he could have had an illness (although in those warrants there is absolutely NO mention or indication in that direction, he could have had pain, but it is quite apparent he had an addiction issue. One thing I am certain of, someone KNEW whether they wanted to admit it to themselves or others, they KNEW.

MANY people knew, I swear this is true. And the most difficult thing for me to accept is that they knew for YEARS.

Yes Bodhi, I think you are correct.

Reply #78 posted 11/02/17 9:16pm

RJOrion

Bodhitheblackdog said:

CooperC62057 said:

First, thank you Menes for taking the time to list the search warrant information on the org again. It is easy to become confused between the factual and the hearsay. I would suggest that anyone who wishes to keep this info for reference to take note of it since I can see the same battle lines over these issues being developed already and the thread will eventually vanish. That being said, for what it’s worth, I know someone who had an opiate addiction who had the same exact three medications prescribed to them to treat the symptoms of withdrawal so no points are PROVEN that these meds were prescribed for pain or cancer. Could have been any of them. Also note that when someone has pain AND an opiate addiction, that pain will actually increase in intensity. Further, during opiate addiction, a person may be trying to wean off of them, show signs of withdrawal, take a smaller than usual dosage and bounce back to normal for several hours (times when he was seen in public) and repeat this behavior until detoxed and entering into a rehab facility. Don’t get me wrong, he could have had an illness (although in those warrants there is absolutely NO mention or indication in that direction, he could have had pain, but it is quite apparent he had an addiction issue. One thing I am certain of, someone KNEW whether they wanted to admit it to themselves or others, they KNEW.

MANY people knew, I swear this is true. And the most difficult thing for me to accept is that they knew for YEARS.

yep...and the person that knew the most (Kirk Johnson), is talking the least.... as it should be..

Reply #79 posted 11/03/17 3:32am

MMJas

laurarichardson said:

Astasheiks said:

Worth Repeating From Menes:

d. The investigation reveals that interviews of those who were there when Prince was found that morning, are inconsistent and contradictory at times.

eek sad mad

Because they have something to hide. People who are honest are not contradictory. They did hang around for 45 minutes before even finding him knowing he was ill. eek What does that say?

They panicked. Were caught between doing the right thing and keeping his privacy intact. All of a sudden, the person calling the shots and giving them instructions was dead. What do you do? Who do you turn to for advice? The panic they felt in those mniutes must have been overwhelming...

Reply #80 posted 11/03/17 4:31am

TypoQueen

laurarichardson said:

TypoQueen said:


I am on all them and a lot more. My choice at this moment in time is medication and risk adverse reactions. An operation that is highly likely to leave me paralysed needing round the clock care along with a life time of medications is something I am not willing to do. I know the risks. Doctors know the risks. Doctors prescribe these drugs in hope to give you a quality of life. Sometimes science gives us no option but to take medications that can cause other organ damage while trying to stop pain that’s intolerable.

—Then that would prove my point that he was being treated for pain at the end of his life. A doctor would not be concerned about the mix of meds if the goal was to make him comfortable. I am sorry with all of these meds what else does it look like he was prescribed these meds for.


Not necessary end of life, many live a long life on a cocktail of prescribed medication.

When Prince collapsed on plane he was given meds to revive to reduce drug/s effects. When you return to taking the previous high dosage of medication the body can not handle it.

When incidents happen in country I reside your local GP/hospital is contacted to provide medical care needed. You would be contacted by them if treatment is refused, they request a home visit. You are bombarded in hope you relent as they have a duty of care.

IMO No one should be saying anything about Tyka. It is difficult for loved ones, they feel helpless.
[Edited 11/3/17 4:55am]
Reply #81 posted 11/03/17 4:36am

CherryMoon57

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

Because they have something to hide. People who are honest are not contradictory. They did hang around for 45 minutes before even finding him knowing he was ill. eek What does that say?

They panicked. Were caught between doing the right thing and keeping his privacy intact. All of a sudden, the person calling the shots and giving them instructions was dead. What do you do? Who do you turn to for advice? The panic they felt in those mniutes must have been overwhelming...


yeahthat

'Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter' Martin Luther King, Jr.
Reply #82 posted 11/03/17 4:38am

purplerabbithole

Good points here.

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

Because they have something to hide. People who are honest are not contradictory. They did hang around for 45 minutes before even finding him knowing he was ill. eek What does that say?

They panicked. Were caught between doing the right thing and keeping his privacy intact. All of a sudden, the person calling the shots and giving them instructions was dead. What do you do? Who do you turn to for advice? The panic they felt in those mniutes must have been overwhelming...

Reply #83 posted 11/03/17 4:52am

purplerabbithole

What does "Many" include? John Blackwell, Wendy Melvoin, Lisa Coleman, Mayte, MOrris Hayes, Manuella, Shelby J, Bobby Z, Jonelle Monae, etc? Are you implying that they all just said "fuck him". That's kind of harsh. I know P had people signing non-disclosure agreements, but I can't imagine there wouldn't be at least a few former employees anonymously or not anonymously (depending on the legality of talking after employment ceases) being paid by tabloids for drug addict tidbits while he was alive. Couldn't they have gone to prince hater C.J. with anonymous tidbits for a few extra bucks. Why was it never used as blackmail or anything of that nature that we know off. Even if nobody gave a shit about his wellbeing, a drug addiction is a big deal and rumors get circulated. Other than some rumors of pain pill popping in 2009, there ain't much. I am not saying people didn't suspect that he was self-medicating for pain issues, i am saying that most folks probably thought he had a handle on it until they suspected in his last days that something was up but they were too out of the inner circle to know what to do about it or how bad it really was. Its funny but P's old assistant fro 2011-2013 (former employee) sent him an email after his first overdose wishing him well. She probably knew something was up, but what is a former employee going to do but wish him well? Old musician friends were kept out of the loop until P decided to reunite or reach out to them. I notice in Andre's recent interview that he talked to P when P randomly reached out to him. I question why he never seemed to attempt to reach out to P, but maybe he just didn't have the avenue to do so (no personal email etc) becuase Andre did state that whenever P did call, it was a different unlisted phone number. P's isolation at times was disturbing and probably how he was able to keep his addiction somewhat vague to others.

PennyPurple said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

MANY people knew, I swear this is true. And the most difficult thing for me to accept is that they knew for YEARS.

Yes Bodhi, I think you are correct.

Reply #84 posted 11/03/17 7:23am

laurarichardson

Good Points but you are wasting your time. Some people want to believe that P was pill popping straight for 20 years in front of people and never had an Rx. He was doing all this and no one notices, blackmailed him or ran their mouth to the tabs.

It is obvious that he had some medical issues and he had surgery so at some point he did have an RX for these meds. At some point he began to take to many and things spun out of control. I think all of this happend in the last months of his life and very few people knew anything about it at all.

He had a very small staff around him going back at least to the start of the 3rd Eye Girl era. Around 2013 and 2014. You know right around the time Tkya said she got the e-mail and picture.

Not really that hard to use some common sense and put this all together but some people are hell bent on making up their own narrative.

They will not even acknowledge Myra Brown his assistant from 2015 who said he was certainly not on drugs when she worked for him because he out worked her and she quit because she was exhausted and something must have happend after she left at the end of 2015. She said when they were on the road it was nothing to do a 20 hour day and Prince never slowed down. Do pain pills give people super human powers that they are able to work 20 hours a day?

purplerabbithole said:

What does "Many" include? John Blackwell, Wendy Melvoin, Lisa Coleman, Mayte, MOrris Hayes, Manuella, Shelby J, Bobby Z, Jonelle Monae, etc? Are you implying that they all just said "fuck him". That's kind of harsh. I know P had people signing non-disclosure agreements, but I can't imagine there wouldn't be at least a few former employees anonymously or not anonymously (depending on the legality of talking after employment ceases) being paid by tabloids for drug addict tidbits while he was alive. Couldn't they have gone to prince hater C.J. with anonymous tidbits for a few extra bucks. Why was it never used as blackmail or anything of that nature that we know off. Even if nobody gave a shit about his wellbeing, a drug addiction is a big deal and rumors get circulated. Other than some rumors of pain pill popping in 2009, there ain't much. I am not saying people didn't suspect that he was self-medicating for pain issues, i am saying that most folks probably thought he had a handle on it until they suspected in his last days that something was up but they were too out of the inner circle to know what to do about it or how bad it really was. Its funny but P's old assistant fro 2011-2013 (former employee) sent him an email after his first overdose wishing him well. She probably knew something was up, but what is a former employee going to do but wish him well? Old musician friends were kept out of the loop until P decided to reunite or reach out to them. I notice in Andre's recent interview that he talked to P when P randomly reached out to him. I question why he never seemed to attempt to reach out to P, but maybe he just didn't have the avenue to do so (no personal email etc) becuase Andre did state that whenever P did call, it was a different unlisted phone number. P's isolation at times was disturbing and probably how he was able to keep his addiction somewhat vague to others.

PennyPurple said:

Yes Bodhi, I think you are correct.

Reply #85 posted 11/03/17 8:16am

Menes

Something of note. In all of the search warrant documents, there is not one mention of any pills labeled "fentanyl" found on the property.

The questions for me during examination of the contents , were whether or not any of the pills that were found could produce the effect of fentanyl, and result in death. I also wanted to know whether such a pill was found in abundance.


That lead me to double back and take a hard look at the poison pill theory ( as in a single pill that was laced with levels of fentanyl that would produce toxicity).


Now, each of these pills have assigned "street names" that mirror the actual drug. This is important because it may run parallel to when the pills showed up on the streets with said names.


As I examine all of the pills that were taken into custody , I am starting to get a clearer picture of whether pain management was the goal , or was it to feed an addiction. The lines are heavily blurred but it's worth the research.

As an example, the pills that were found with the imprint "194" could be mistaken for acetaminophen and oxycodone hydrochloride 325mg/10mg(street percocet) if they were yellow in color. However, the pills taken into custody are green . The warrant will not explain the significance of that. What is so important about that? Well, that "green " pill was found in a Vitamin D bottle. That green pill with the imprint "194" is actually Vitamin D 50,000 USP units or (ergocalciferol 1.25 mg) This is not a controlled substance. It is supplied by Paddock Industries.

So why would you need 50,000 usp units of Vitamin D2 ? What is it for? Where would you buy that?

In summary, I can say that the more I research about the combination of pills , their specific chemical properties and usage , the more I realize how methodical and disciplined of a person it took to put it all together.


Reply #86 posted 11/03/17 8:18am

Strawberrylova123

laurarichardson said:

Good Points but you are wasting your time. Some people want to believe that P was pill popping straight for 20 years in front of people and never  had an Rx. He was doing all this and no one notices, blackmailed him or ran their mouth to the tabs. 


 


It is obvious that he had some medical issues and he had surgery so at some point he did have an RX for these meds. At some point he began to take to many and things spun out of control. I think all of this happend in the last months of his life and very few people knew anything about it at all. 


 


He had a very small staff around him going back at least to the start of the 3rd Eye Girl era. Around 2013 and 2014. You know right around the time Tkya said she got the e-mail and picture. 


 


Not really that hard to use some common sense and put this all together but some people are hell bent on making up their own narrative. 


 


They will not even acknowledge Myra Brown his assistant from 2015 who said he was certainly not on drugs when she worked for him because he out worked her and she quit because she was exhausted and something must have happend after she left at the end of 2015. She said when they were on the road it was nothing to do a 20 hour day and Prince never slowed down. Do pain pills give people super human powers that they are able to work 20 hours a day? 


 


 



purplerabbithole said:


What does "Many" include? John Blackwell, Wendy Melvoin, Lisa Coleman, Mayte, MOrris Hayes,  Manuella, Shelby J,  Bobby Z,  Jonelle Monae, etc?  Are you implying that they all just said "fuck him".  That's kind of harsh.  I know P had people signing non-disclosure agreements, but I can't imagine there wouldn't be at least a few former employees anonymously or not anonymously (depending on the legality of talking after employment ceases) being paid by tabloids for drug addict tidbits while he was alive.  Couldn't they have gone to prince hater C.J. with anonymous tidbits for a few extra bucks.  Why was it never used as blackmail or anything of that nature that we know off. Even if nobody gave a shit about his wellbeing, a drug addiction is a big deal and rumors get circulated. Other than some rumors of pain pill popping in 2009, there ain't much. I am not saying people didn't suspect that he was self-medicating for pain issues, i am saying that most folks probably thought he had a handle on it until they suspected in his last days that something was up but they were too out of the inner circle to know what to do about it or how bad it really was.  Its funny but P's old assistant fro 2011-2013 (former employee) sent him an email after his first overdose wishing him well.  She probably knew something was up, but what is a former employee going to do but wish him well?  Old musician friends were kept out of the loop until P decided to reunite or reach out to them.    I notice in Andre's recent interview that he talked to P when P randomly reached out to him. I question why he never seemed to attempt to reach out to P, but maybe he just didn't have the avenue to do so (no personal email etc) becuase Andre did state that whenever P did call, it was a different unlisted phone number. P's isolation at times was disturbing and probably how he was able to keep his addiction somewhat vague to others.


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 



PennyPurple said:


 


Yes Bodhi, I think you are correct.



 



 


No laura your the one who never has common sense and your the one who is following your own narrative, post proof that prince had a terminal illness.
Reply #87 posted 11/03/17 8:34am

paulludvig

Menes said:

Something of note. In all of the search warrant documents, there is not one mention of any pills labeled "fentanyl" found on the property.

The questions for me during examination of the contents , were whether or not any of the pills that were found could produce the effect of fentanyl, and result in death. I also wanted to know whether such a pill was found in abundance. 


That lead me to double back and take a hard look at the poison pill theory ( as in a single pill that was laced with levels of fentanyl that would produce toxicity).


Now, each of these pills have assigned "street names" that mirror the actual drug.  This is important because it may run parallel to when the pills showed up on the streets with said names. 


As I examine all of the pills that were taken into custody , I am starting to get a clearer picture of whether pain management was the goal , or was it to feed an addiction. The lines are heavily blurred but it's worth the research. 

As an example, the pills that were found with the imprint "194" could be mistaken for acetaminophen and oxycodone hydrochloride 325mg/10mg(street percocet) if they were yellow in color.  However, the pills taken into custody are green . The warrant will not explain the significance of that.  What is so important about that? Well, that "green " pill was found in a Vitamin D bottle. That green pill with the imprint "194" is actually Vitamin D 50,000 USP units or (ergocalciferol  1.25 mg) This is not a controlled substance. It is supplied by Paddock Industries. 

So why would you need 50,000 usp units of Vitamin D2 ? What is it for? Where would you buy that?

In summary, I can say that the more I research about the combination of pills , their specific chemical properties and usage , the more I realize how methodical and disciplined of a person it took to put it all together.


  





"So why would you need 50,000 usp units of Vitamin D2 ? What is it for? Where would you buy that?"
Any idea?
The wooh is on the one!
Reply #88 posted 11/03/17 8:40am

Menes

paulludvig said:

Menes said:

Something of note. In all of the search warrant documents, there is not one mention of any pills labeled "fentanyl" found on the property.

The questions for me during examination of the contents , were whether or not any of the pills that were found could produce the effect of fentanyl, and result in death. I also wanted to know whether such a pill was found in abundance.


That lead me to double back and take a hard look at the poison pill theory ( as in a single pill that was laced with levels of fentanyl that would produce toxicity).


Now, each of these pills have assigned "street names" that mirror the actual drug. This is important because it may run parallel to when the pills showed up on the streets with said names.


As I examine all of the pills that were taken into custody , I am starting to get a clearer picture of whether pain management was the goal , or was it to feed an addiction. The lines are heavily blurred but it's worth the research.

As an example, the pills that were found with the imprint "194" could be mistaken for acetaminophen and oxycodone hydrochloride 325mg/10mg(street percocet) if they were yellow in color. However, the pills taken into custody are green . The warrant will not explain the significance of that. What is so important about that? Well, that "green " pill was found in a Vitamin D bottle. That green pill with the imprint "194" is actually Vitamin D 50,000 USP units or (ergocalciferol 1.25 mg) This is not a controlled substance. It is supplied by Paddock Industries.

So why would you need 50,000 usp units of Vitamin D2 ? What is it for? Where would you buy that?

In summary, I can say that the more I research about the combination of pills , their specific chemical properties and usage , the more I realize how methodical and disciplined of a person it took to put it all together.


"So why would you need 50,000 usp units of Vitamin D2 ? What is it for? Where would you buy that?" Any idea?

For starters:
VITAMIN D (Ergocalciferol...USP Units)

Reply #89 posted 11/03/17 9:18am

laurarichardson

Strawberrylova123 said:

laurarichardson said:

Good Points but you are wasting your time. Some people want to believe that P was pill popping straight for 20 years in front of people and never had an Rx. He was doing all this and no one notices, blackmailed him or ran their mouth to the tabs.

It is obvious that he had some medical issues and he had surgery so at some point he did have an RX for these meds. At some point he began to take to many and things spun out of control. I think all of this happend in the last months of his life and very few people knew anything about it at all.

He had a very small staff around him going back at least to the start of the 3rd Eye Girl era. Around 2013 and 2014. You know right around the time Tkya said she got the e-mail and picture.

Not really that hard to use some common sense and put this all together but some people are hell bent on making up their own narrative.

They will not even acknowledge Myra Brown his assistant from 2015 who said he was certainly not on drugs when she worked for him because he out worked her and she quit because she was exhausted and something must have happend after she left at the end of 2015. She said when they were on the road it was nothing to do a 20 hour day and Prince never slowed down. Do pain pills give people super human powers that they are able to work 20 hours a day?

No laura your the one who never has common sense and your the one who is following your own narrative, post proof that prince had a terminal illness.

We have what Tyka is telling us now not once but twice. We have loads of stitutions that point to it and it is all been mentioned on this board a million times. We have more evidence that he was ill then we do that he was some life long pill head and the lack of evidence for that is nonexistent but that does not stop people from believing it.

We have no proof at all that he refused to go to rehab due to pride or embarrassment but people have made up this senerio. I am sure that if Tyka writes a book or continues to do interviews we will find out and then we will see how common sense was not used

Oh I forgt to mention that only superman could consume massive quatnties of pain pills and not have any effect on their organs and over all health but the lack of common sense can take you on that type of journey. You know Prince was superhuman and would never ever have a sickness or illness.

Reply #90 posted 11/03/17 9:40am

laurarichardson

Menes said:

paulludvig said:

Menes said: "So why would you need 50,000 usp units of Vitamin D2 ? What is it for? Where would you buy that?" Any idea?

For starters:
VITAMIN D (Ergocalciferol...USP Units)

Hypoparathyroidism and rickets both of which can cause bone pain.

Reply #91 posted 11/03/17 9:43am

Dibblekins

Menes said:

paulludvig said:

Menes said: "So why would you need 50,000 usp units of Vitamin D2 ? What is it for? Where would you buy that?" Any idea?

For starters:
VITAMIN D (Ergocalciferol...USP Units)

High doses of vitamin D are essential if you aren't getting sufficient sunlight (remember, Prince kept night-time hours, even going so far as to cover his windows with aluminium to avoid sunshine). A lack of vitamin D can have serious implications for bone health. It can lead to a softening of the bones and / or an increasing propensity to fractures / damage.
.

People who cover up their bodies for religious reasons are more likely to have rickets. You're also more prone to rickets if you have dark skin, because you require more sunshine to turn into vitamin D.
.

Some medications can also lead to depleted vitamin D levels - so too can liver disorders. Interestingly, one type of medication which can result in vitamin D deficiency is anti-seizure / epilepsy drugs. And we know P had suffered from epilepsy as he said as much in interviews...In fact, one theory posited for his collapse on the 'plane was a possible seizure.
.

Reply #92 posted 11/03/17 9:46am

laurarichardson

Dibblekins said:

Menes said:

For starters:
VITAMIN D (Ergocalciferol...USP Units)

High doses of vitamin D are essential if you aren't getting sufficient sunlight (remember, Prince kept night-time hours, even going so far as to cover his windows with aluminium to avoid sunshine). A lack of vitamin D can have serious implications for bone health. It can lead to a softening of the bones and / or an increasing propensity to fractures / damage.
.

People who cover up their bodies for religious reasons are more likely to have rickets. You're also more prone to rickets if you have dark skin, because you require more sunshine to turn into vitamin D.
.

Some medications can also lead to depleted vitamin D levels - so too can liver disorders. Interestingly, one type of medication which can result in vitamin D deficiency is anti-seizure / epilepsy drugs. And we know P had suffered from epilepsy as he said as much in interviews...In fact, one theory posited for his collapse on the 'plane was a possible seizure.
.

Early on one the musicians said he was having seziures again. The genric form of Valium found in his system is often given to people who have seziures.

Reply #93 posted 11/03/17 9:59am

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

The search warrant states the doctor in Illinois treated P for an overdose and not a seizure.

Reply #94 posted 11/03/17 10:02am

Dibblekins

laurarichardson said:

Dibblekins said:

High doses of vitamin D are essential if you aren't getting sufficient sunlight (remember, Prince kept night-time hours, even going so far as to cover his windows with aluminium to avoid sunshine). A lack of vitamin D can have serious implications for bone health. It can lead to a softening of the bones and / or an increasing propensity to fractures / damage.
.

People who cover up their bodies for religious reasons are more likely to have rickets. You're also more prone to rickets if you have dark skin, because you require more sunshine to turn into vitamin D.
.

Some medications can also lead to depleted vitamin D levels - so too can liver disorders. Interestingly, one type of medication which can result in vitamin D deficiency is anti-seizure / epilepsy drugs. And we know P had suffered from epilepsy as he said as much in interviews...In fact, one theory posited for his collapse on the 'plane was a possible seizure.
.

Early on one the musicians said he was having seziures again. The genric form of Valium found in his system is often given to people who have seziures.



Plus, if the yellow skin (jaundice) he seemed to be developing was indicative of a liver problem, this could also result in vitamin D deficiency - and bone pain. For all we know, he was stuck in a vicious cycle of pain, pain medications, side-effects, organ dysfunction, more medications / supplements to deal with side-effects, and round and round we go...
.
Seriously, it would be enough to make anyone think, 'enough'. Lord knows, I deal with patients EVERY SINGLE DAY who are stuck in this spiral - people who are intelligent, focused, hard-working - and trapped by their health.

Reply #95 posted 11/03/17 10:04am

Dibblekins

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The search warrant states the doctor in Illinois treated P for an overdose and not a seizure.


It did indeed - but, with a lack of background detail, I guess there could be an argument for everything to be connected...We just don't know...

Reply #96 posted 11/03/17 10:10am

laurarichardson

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The search warrant states the doctor in Illinois treated P for an overdose and not a seizure.

He could have had both. Taking too many meds can cause a seizure not to mention whatever issues he may have had with seizures to begin with. Leads me to think he had health issues and these pain pills made have made the stituation worst which can happen with many meds.

Example Cancer drugs can cure the cancer but cause a rack of other problems.

[Edited 11/3/17 10:11am]

Reply #97 posted 11/03/17 10:12am

pianoandmicrophone319

"So why would you need 50,000 usp units of Vitamin D2 ? What is it for? Where would you buy that?"
Any idea?[/quote]

I take this exact pill. It was prescribed after a blood test showed I was "severely" lacking in vitamin D. Its a mega dose. I live in sunny southern California where we use a lot of sunscreen.
Reply #98 posted 11/03/17 10:12am

stlmuziqlvr

Paul - In 2008 I was diagnosed with a very small malignancy; I was seen by radiation oncologist who routinely checked Vitamin D levels on every patient that she saw.

Mine came back lower than she wanted and, since there are some studies that suggest that higher levels of Vit D help in the fight against cancer, I was given a rx for 50,000 units of Vitamin D...the same green capsule that was found at PP.

That particular dose cannot be purchased legally OTC, it requires a rx.

Hope that helps.

paulludvig said:

Menes said:

Something of note. In all of the search warrant documents, there is not one mention of any pills labeled "fentanyl" found on the property.

The questions for me during examination of the contents , were whether or not any of the pills that were found could produce the effect of fentanyl, and result in death. I also wanted to know whether such a pill was found in abundance.


That lead me to double back and take a hard look at the poison pill theory ( as in a single pill that was laced with levels of fentanyl that would produce toxicity).


Now, each of these pills have assigned "street names" that mirror the actual drug. This is important because it may run parallel to when the pills showed up on the streets with said names.


As I examine all of the pills that were taken into custody , I am starting to get a clearer picture of whether pain management was the goal , or was it to feed an addiction. The lines are heavily blurred but it's worth the research.

As an example, the pills that were found with the imprint "194" could be mistaken for acetaminophen and oxycodone hydrochloride 325mg/10mg(street percocet) if they were yellow in color. However, the pills taken into custody are green . The warrant will not explain the significance of that. What is so important about that? Well, that "green " pill was found in a Vitamin D bottle. That green pill with the imprint "194" is actually Vitamin D 50,000 USP units or (ergocalciferol 1.25 mg) This is not a controlled substance. It is supplied by Paddock Industries.

So why would you need 50,000 usp units of Vitamin D2 ? What is it for? Where would you buy that?

In summary, I can say that the more I research about the combination of pills , their specific chemical properties and usage , the more I realize how methodical and disciplined of a person it took to put it all together.


"So why would you need 50,000 usp units of Vitamin D2 ? What is it for? Where would you buy that?" Any idea?

Reply #99 posted 11/03/17 10:18am

laurarichardson

Damm more evidence of cancer.

stlmuziqlvr said:

Paul - In 2008 I was diagnosed with a very small malignancy; I was seen by radiation oncologist who routinely checked Vitamin D levels on every patient that she saw.

Mine came back lower than she wanted and, since there are some studies that suggest that higher levels of Vit D help in the fight against cancer, I was given a rx for 50,000 units of Vitamin D...the same green capsule that was found at PP.

That particular dose cannot be purchased legally OTC, it requires a rx.

Hope that helps.

paulludvig said:

Menes said: "So why would you need 50,000 usp units of Vitamin D2 ? What is it for? Where would you buy that?" Any idea?

[Edited 11/3/17 10:19am]

Reply #100 posted 11/03/17 10:21am

PennyPurple

Yes, Vit. D is very important, I also had to go on MEGA doses of it.

Reply #101 posted 11/03/17 10:27am

Dibblekins

laurarichardson said:

Damm more evidence of cancer.

stlmuziqlvr said:

Paul - In 2008 I was diagnosed with a very small malignancy; I was seen by radiation oncologist who routinely checked Vitamin D levels on every patient that she saw.

Mine came back lower than she wanted and, since there are some studies that suggest that higher levels of Vit D help in the fight against cancer, I was given a rx for 50,000 units of Vitamin D...the same green capsule that was found at PP.

That particular dose cannot be purchased legally OTC, it requires a rx.

Hope that helps.

[Edited 11/3/17 10:19am]

Wasn't he seeing an alternative 'holistic' medic? I'm not familar with American terminology but would such a doctor be the sort to prescribe vitamin D?

Reply #102 posted 11/03/17 10:28am

stlmuziqlvr

I hope not...but I've seen my far share of addicts in my lifetime and the way his body changed over the last few years of his life reminded me of something else. cry Whatever it was, he is at peace now.

laurarichardson said:

Damm more evidence of cancer.

stlmuziqlvr said:

Paul - In 2008 I was diagnosed with a very small malignancy; I was seen by radiation oncologist who routinely checked Vitamin D levels on every patient that she saw.

Mine came back lower than she wanted and, since there are some studies that suggest that higher levels of Vit D help in the fight against cancer, I was given a rx for 50,000 units of Vitamin D...the same green capsule that was found at PP.

That particular dose cannot be purchased legally OTC, it requires a rx.

Hope that helps.

[Edited 11/3/17 10:19am]

Reply #103 posted 11/03/17 10:30am

stlmuziqlvr

Vitamin D is prescribed by both traditional and holistic docs in the US.

Dibblekins said:

laurarichardson said:

Damm more evidence of cancer.

[Edited 11/3/17 10:19am]

Wasn't he seeing an alternative 'holistic' medic? I'm not familar with American terminology but would such a doctor be the sort to prescribe vitamin D?

Reply #104 posted 11/03/17 10:34am

nelcp777

Dibblekins said:

laurarichardson said:

Damm more evidence of cancer.

[Edited 11/3/17 10:19am]

Wasn't he seeing an alternative 'holistic' medic? I'm not familar with American terminology but would such a doctor be the sort to prescribe vitamin D?

Dibbles, I always thought the holistic appointment was just a PR excuse for what was going on, I.e., possible intervention with Kornfield. Just my opinion.

Reply #105 posted 11/03/17 10:37am

Dibblekins

nelcp777 said:

Dibblekins said:

Wasn't he seeing an alternative 'holistic' medic? I'm not familar with American terminology but would such a doctor be the sort to prescribe vitamin D?

Dibbles, I always thought the holistic appointment was just a PR excuse for what was going on, I.e., possible intervention with Kornfield. Just my opinion.

Certainly possible, yes.
.
Of course, it still brings us back to that mystery £65K in medical expenses over the last year of his life...Vitamin D shouldn't cost that much, surely? eek

Reply #106 posted 11/03/17 10:38am

2004Fan

I agree, me too.

nelcp777 said:

Dibblekins said:

Wasn't he seeing an alternative 'holistic' medic? I'm not familar with American terminology but would such a doctor be the sort to prescribe vitamin D?

Dibbles, I always thought the holistic appointment was just a PR excuse for what was going on, I.e., possible intervention with Kornfield. Just my opinion.

I am here! Where R U?! Gotta broken heart again...
Reply #107 posted 11/03/17 11:13am

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

2004Fan said:

I agree, me too.

nelcp777 said:

Dibbles, I always thought the holistic appointment was just a PR excuse for what was going on, I.e., possible intervention with Kornfield. Just my opinion.

I second the motion.

Reply #108 posted 11/03/17 11:31am

laurarichardson

Dibblekins said:

nelcp777 said:

Dibbles, I always thought the holistic appointment was just a PR excuse for what was going on, I.e., possible intervention with Kornfield. Just my opinion.

Certainly possible, yes.
.
Of course, it still brings us back to that mystery £65K in medical expenses over the last year of his life...Vitamin D shouldn't cost that much, surely? eek

We do not even know where the holistic rumor even came from but we know Vitamin D does not cost 65k.

Reply #109 posted 11/03/17 2:54pm

Menes

Menes said:

Something of note. In all of the search warrant documents, there is not one mention of any pills labeled "fentanyl" found on the property.

The questions for me during examination of the contents , were whether or not any of the pills that were found could produce the effect of fentanyl, and result in death. I also wanted to know whether such a pill was found in abundance.


That lead me to double back and take a hard look at the poison pill theory ( as in a single pill that was laced with levels of fentanyl that would produce toxicity).


Now, each of these pills have assigned "street names" that mirror the actual drug. This is important because it may run parallel to when the pills showed up on the streets with said names.


As I examine all of the pills that were taken into custody , I am starting to get a clearer picture of whether pain management was the goal , or was it to feed an addiction. The lines are heavily blurred but it's worth the research.

As an example, the pills that were found with the imprint "194" could be mistaken for acetaminophen and oxycodone hydrochloride 325mg/10mg(street percocet) if they were yellow in color. However, the pills taken into custody are green . The warrant will not explain the significance of that. What is so important about that? Well, that "green " pill was found in a Vitamin D bottle. That green pill with the imprint "194" is actually Vitamin D 50,000 USP units or (ergocalciferol 1.25 mg) This is not a controlled substance. It is supplied by Paddock Industries.

So why would you need 50,000 usp units of Vitamin D2 ? What is it for? Where would you buy that?

In summary, I can say that the more I research about the combination of pills , their specific chemical properties and usage , the more I realize how methodical and disciplined of a person it took to put it all together.


In continuation of the pills that were found at Paisley Park and taken into custody:

"One (1) orange pill with the inscription #8".

1.This pill appears to be buprenorphine ( a scheduled III substance). It is pirmarily used to treat withdrawals from opiod addiction, but is also used to reduce pain and produce feelings of well being as it binds with the opioid receptors.

2. The brand name for buprenorphine is Subutex.

3. Suboxone is the commercial name for Buprenorphine when combined with Naloxone.

4. Andrew Kornfeld brought Buprenorphine with him for his scheduled visit with Prince on 4-20-16.

Though procured illegally, I think we can ascertain that on its own , or in interaction with the other substances, it is unlikely that this produced lethal toxicity.


Short Summary



So far, we have what appeaear to be the following: A substantial need to increas Vitamain D intake: Which may be the result of a host of issues , to include, but not limited to; dietary inadequacy, impaired absorption and use, increased requirement, limited sun light exposure, kidneys that cannot convert it , digestive tract is inadequate ,and the all of the other things that many of you (LR, Stlmuziqlvr,Dibblekins, Penny) mentioned previously.

I wanted to add that there is precedent and correlation for us to assume that inadequate Vitamin D levels is linked to the amount of narcotic medication for those with chronic pain who are ingesting opioids as they are seeking relief from certain cancer types.

* For your records.

Low Vitamin D Levels Are ...ose in ...



Buprenorphine: A New Treatment Option for Opioid Addiction

Buprenorphine Safety, Adverse Reactions, and Drug Interactions












Reply #110 posted 11/03/17 3:37pm

Menes

Menes said:

Menes said:

Something of note. In all of the search warrant documents, there is not one mention of any pills labeled "fentanyl" found on the property.

The questions for me during examination of the contents , were whether or not any of the pills that were found could produce the effect of fentanyl, and result in death. I also wanted to know whether such a pill was found in abundance.


That lead me to double back and take a hard look at the poison pill theory ( as in a single pill that was laced with levels of fentanyl that would produce toxicity).


Now, each of these pills have assigned "street names" that mirror the actual drug. This is important because it may run parallel to when the pills showed up on the streets with said names.


As I examine all of the pills that were taken into custody , I am starting to get a clearer picture of whether pain management was the goal , or was it to feed an addiction. The lines are heavily blurred but it's worth the research.

As an example, the pills that were found with the imprint "194" could be mistaken for acetaminophen and oxycodone hydrochloride 325mg/10mg(street percocet) if they were yellow in color. However, the pills taken into custody are green . The warrant will not explain the significance of that. What is so important about that? Well, that "green " pill was found in a Vitamin D bottle. That green pill with the imprint "194" is actually Vitamin D 50,000 USP units or (ergocalciferol 1.25 mg) This is not a controlled substance. It is supplied by Paddock Industries.

So why would you need 50,000 usp units of Vitamin D2 ? What is it for? Where would you buy that?

In summary, I can say that the more I research about the combination of pills , their specific chemical properties and usage , the more I realize how methodical and disciplined of a person it took to put it all together.


In continuation of the pills that were found at Paisley Park and taken into custody:

"One (1) orange pill with the inscription #8".

1.This pill appears to be buprenorphine ( a scheduled III substance). It is pirmarily used to treat withdrawals from opiod addiction, but is also used to reduce pain and produce feelings of well being as it binds with the opioid receptors.

2. The brand name for buprenorphine is Subutex.

3. Suboxone is the commercial name for Buprenorphine when combined with Naloxone.

4. Andrew Kornfeld brought Buprenorphine with him for his scheduled visit with Prince on 4-20-16.

Though procured illegally, I think we can ascertain that on its own , or in interaction with the other substances, it is unlikely that this produced lethal toxicity.


Short Summary



So far, we have what appeaear to be the following: A substantial need to increas Vitamain D intake: Which may be the result of a host of issues , to include, but not limited to; dietary inadequacy, impaired absorption and use, increased requirement, limited sun light exposure, kidneys that cannot convert it , digestive tract is inadequate ,and the all of the other things that many of you (LR, Stlmuziqlvr,Dibblekins, Penny) mentioned previously.

I wanted to add that there is precedent and correlation for us to assume that inadequate Vitamin D levels is linked to the amount of narcotic medication for those with chronic pain who are ingesting opioids as they are seeking relief from certain cancer types.

* For your records.

Low Vitamin D Levels Are ...ose in ...



Buprenorphine: A New Treatment Option for Opioid Addiction

Buprenorphine Safety, Adverse Reactions, and Drug Interactions












In continuation of the pills that were found at Paisley Park and taken into custody:

Ten(10) white pills with the inscription "A-349"

1.This pill seems to be identified with Acetaminophen and Oxycodone hydrochrloride 325 mg/5mg , and at times is commonly called, generic "Percocet". It produces the same action as other opioid medications that bind to opioid receptors.

2. It is widely used to alleviate moderate to severe pain, but is also increasingly used in the managemenat of cancer related and chronic pain.

3. Acetaminophen can play a vital role in Vitamin D deficiency , and both renal/ liver failure.

4.Kirk Johnson had Oxycodone prescribed to him by Dr. Schulenberg on 4-14-2016. This is not the same bottle. I am speculating that either Prince initially used it as a test pilot , or gained knowledge of its usage, and then procured his own after finding a form of relief from it.



Short Summary


So far , it seems that self administered control mechanisms were devised in order to manage some type of pain. There is less evidence that this was primarily driven by addiction.

* For your records:

Use of Oxycodone in Pain ...NCBI - NIH


[Edited 11/3/17 15:41pm]

Reply #111 posted 11/03/17 4:13pm

Morgaine

Hi everyone. I mostly (obviously) lurk.
Thank you, Menes, not just for posting this, but also doing it so clearly and concisely.
It is even more confusing to me, after reading about the (non RX) buprenorphine pill at PP, that no one was with him the night before. It seems he was entering into some form of treatment the next day. That's a huge step.

Peace & Be Wild
The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul
Reply #112 posted 11/03/17 4:32pm

Menes

Menes said:

Menes said:

In continuation of the pills that were found at Paisley Park and taken into custody:

"One (1) orange pill with the inscription #8".

1.This pill appears to be buprenorphine ( a scheduled III substance). It is pirmarily used to treat withdrawals from opiod addiction, but is also used to reduce pain and produce feelings of well being as it binds with the opioid receptors.

2. The brand name for buprenorphine is Subutex.

3. Suboxone is the commercial name for Buprenorphine when combined with Naloxone.

4. Andrew Kornfeld brought Buprenorphine with him for his scheduled visit with Prince on 4-20-16.

Though procured illegally, I think we can ascertain that on its own , or in interaction with the other substances, it is unlikely that this produced lethal toxicity.


Short Summary



So far, we have what appeaear to be the following: A substantial need to increas Vitamain D intake: Which may be the result of a host of issues , to include, but not limited to; dietary inadequacy, impaired absorption and use, increased requirement, limited sun light exposure, kidneys that cannot convert it , digestive tract is inadequate ,and the all of the other things that many of you (LR, Stlmuziqlvr,Dibblekins, Penny) mentioned previously.

I wanted to add that there is precedent and correlation for us to assume that inadequate Vitamin D levels is linked to the amount of narcotic medication for those with chronic pain who are ingesting opioids as they are seeking relief from certain cancer types.

* For your records.

Low Vitamin D Levels Are ...ose in ...



Buprenorphine: A New Treatment Option for Opioid Addiction

Buprenorphine Safety, Adverse Reactions, and Drug Interactions












In continuation of the pills that were found at Paisley Park and taken into custody:

Ten(10) white pills with the inscription "A-349"

1.This pill seems to be identified with Acetaminophen and Oxycodone hydrochrloride 325 mg/5mg , and at times is commonly called, generic "Percocet". It produces the same action as other opioid medications that bind to opioid receptors.

2. It is widely used to alleviate moderate to severe pain, but is also increasingly used in the managemenat of cancer related and chronic pain.

3. Acetaminophen can play a vital role in Vitamin D deficiency , and both renal/ liver failure.

4.Kirk Johnson had Oxycodone prescribed to him by Dr. Schulenberg on 4-14-2016. This is not the same bottle. I am speculating that either Prince initially used it as a test pilot , or gained knowledge of its usage, and then procured his own after finding a form of relief from it.



Short Summary


So far , it seems that self administered control mechanisms were devised in order to manage some type of pain. There is less evidence that this was primarily driven by addiction.

* For your records:

Use of Oxycodone in Pain ...NCBI - NIH


[Edited 11/3/17 15:41pm]

In continuation of the pills that were found at Paisley Park and taken into custody:

CVS Pharmacy bottle containing Ondansetron HCL 8 mg.

1. Ondansetron is primaily used to prevent nausea and vomiting that is caused by cancer medicines (chemotherapy or radiation therapy). The brand name for this drug is Zofran. This drug should define the condition or state of the user more than any other drug that was taken from Paisley Park.


2. It works by blocking the action of serotonin, the signal on the brain that causes nausea and vomiting. There were many posters in numerous org. threads ( to include this one) who had already stated these findings. I have not found any other compelling reason for the use of this drug other than that which is clearly stated above. This is to include HIV and AIDS.

3. This drug can produce a variety of serious side effects to include , but not limited to; itching, rash, nervousness, anxiety, irregular heartbeats, etc.

4. Ths may explain a lot of the other prescribed drugs that were given to Prince by Dr. Schulenberg.

5. One prescription was writtend for Kirk Johnson by Dr. Schulenberg and is shown as, Oxycodone. However, the CVS Pharmacy bottle with the Ondansetron HCL 8mg, was in Kirk Johnson's name. The Midwest Monitoring Program does not list Kirk Johnson as receiving Ondansetron via a doctor's prescription. Unless Kirk had problems with nausea and vomiting too, I think you can understand what is happening here.

5. Since I don't believe Prince had surgery as current as when the pills were found, I believe he was either self medicating without the use of chemotherapy, or , receiving chemotherapy secretly. I lean to the former.


Short Summary

So far, it seems that self adminstered mechanisms were devised in order to manage some type of pain. There is less evidence that this is primarily driven by addiction.


*For your records :

MedlinePlus Information o...rochloride

[Edited 11/3/17 16:42pm]

Reply #113 posted 11/03/17 4:34pm

laurarichardson

Menes said:

 



Menes said:


Something of note. In all of the search warrant documents, there is not one mention of any pills labeled "fentanyl" found on the property.

The questions for me during examination of the contents , were whether or not any of the pills that were found could produce the effect of fentanyl, and result in death. I also wanted to know whether such a pill was found in abundance. 


That lead me to double back and take a hard look at the poison pill theory ( as in a single pill that was laced with levels of fentanyl that would produce toxicity).


Now, each of these pills have assigned "street names" that mirror the actual drug.  This is important because it may run parallel to when the pills showed up on the streets with said names. 


As I examine all of the pills that were taken into custody , I am starting to get a clearer picture of whether pain management was the goal , or was it to feed an addiction. The lines are heavily blurred but it's worth the research. 

As an example, the pills that were found with the imprint "194" could be mistaken for acetaminophen and oxycodone hydrochloride 325mg/10mg(street percocet) if they were yellow in color.  However, the pills taken into custody are green . The warrant will not explain the significance of that.  What is so important about that? Well, that "green " pill was found in a Vitamin D bottle. That green pill with the imprint "194" is actually Vitamin D 50,000 USP units or (ergocalciferol  1.25 mg) This is not a controlled substance. It is supplied by Paddock Industries. 

So why would you need 50,000 usp units of Vitamin D2 ? What is it for? Where would you buy that?

In summary, I can say that the more I research about the combination of pills , their specific chemical properties and usage , the more I realize how methodical and disciplined of a person it took to put it all together.


  



In continuation of the pills that were found at Paisley Park and taken into custody:

"One (1) orange pill with the inscription #8".

1.This pill appears to be buprenorphine ( a scheduled III substance). It is pirmarily used to treat withdrawals from opiod addiction, but is also used to reduce pain and produce feelings of well being as it binds with the opioid receptors.

2. The brand name for buprenorphine is Subutex.

3. Suboxone is the commercial name for Buprenorphine when combined with Naloxone.

4. Andrew Kornfeld brought Buprenorphine with him for his scheduled visit with Prince on 4-20-16.

Though procured illegally, I think we can ascertain that on its own , or in interaction with the other substances, it is unlikely that this produced lethal toxicity. 


Short Summary



So far, we have what appeaear to be the following: A substantial need to increas Vitamain D intake: Which may be the result of a host of issues , to include, but not limited to; dietary inadequacy, impaired absorption and use, increased requirement,  limited sun light exposure, kidneys that cannot convert it , digestive tract is inadequate ,and the all of the other things that many of you (LR, Stlmuziqlvr,Dibblekins, Penny) mentioned previously.

I wanted to add that there is precedent and correlation for us to assume that inadequate Vitamin D levels is linked to the amount of narcotic medication for those with chronic pain who are ingesting opioids as they are seeking relief from certain cancer types.

* For your records.

Low Vitamin D Levels Are Associated with Higher Opioid Dose in ...



Buprenorphine: A New Treatment Option for Opioid Addiction

Buprenorphine Safety, Adverse Reactions, and Drug Interactions  




 


 











 


—The is interesting as this means he had the Suboxne already before Andrew came and I wondered on this board why he did not just get some to ween himself off which I now think he was trying to do. Perhaps withdrawing on an outpatient basis while dealing with other issues. It is the only thing that explains how he was able to get around.
[Edited 11/3/17 16:43pm]
Reply #114 posted 11/03/17 4:37pm

laurarichardson

Menes said:

 



Menes said:


 



Menes said:


 


In continuation of the pills that were found at Paisley Park and taken into custody:

"One (1) orange pill with the inscription #8".

1.This pill appears to be buprenorphine ( a scheduled III substance). It is pirmarily used to treat withdrawals from opiod addiction, but is also used to reduce pain and produce feelings of well being as it binds with the opioid receptors.

2. The brand name for buprenorphine is Subutex.

3. Suboxone is the commercial name for Buprenorphine when combined with Naloxone.

4. Andrew Kornfeld brought Buprenorphine with him for his scheduled visit with Prince on 4-20-16.

Though procured illegally, I think we can ascertain that on its own , or in interaction with the other substances, it is unlikely that this produced lethal toxicity. 


Short Summary



So far, we have what appeaear to be the following: A substantial need to increas Vitamain D intake: Which may be the result of a host of issues , to include, but not limited to; dietary inadequacy, impaired absorption and use, increased requirement,  limited sun light exposure, kidneys that cannot convert it , digestive tract is inadequate ,and the all of the other things that many of you (LR, Stlmuziqlvr,Dibblekins, Penny) mentioned previously.

I wanted to add that there is precedent and correlation for us to assume that inadequate Vitamin D levels is linked to the amount of narcotic medication for those with chronic pain who are ingesting opioids as they are seeking relief from certain cancer types.

* For your records.

Low Vitamin D Levels Are Associated with Higher Opioid Dose in ...



Buprenorphine: A New Treatment Option for Opioid Addiction

Buprenorphine Safety, Adverse Reactions, and Drug Interactions  




 


 











 



In continuation of the pills that were found at Paisley Park and taken into custody:

 Ten(10) white pills with the inscription "A-349"

1.This pill seems to be identified with Acetaminophen and Oxycodone hydrochrloride 325 mg/5mg , and at times is commonly called, generic "Percocet". It produces the same action as other opioid medications that bind to opioid receptors.

2. It is widely used to alleviate moderate to severe pain, but is also increasingly used in the managemenat of cancer related and chronic pain. 

3. Acetaminophen can play a vital role in Vitamin D deficiency , and both renal/ liver failure.

4.Kirk Johnson had Oxycodone prescribed to him by Dr. Schulenberg on 4-14-2016.  This is not the same bottle.  I am speculating that either Prince initially used it as a test pilot , or gained knowledge of its usage, and then procured his own after finding a form of relief from it.



Short Summary


So far , it seems that self administered control mechanisms were devised in order to manage some type of pain. There is less evidence that this was primarily driven by addiction.

* For your records:

Use of Oxycodone in Pain Management - NCBI - NIH

 
 


[Edited 11/3/17 15:41pm]



In continuation of the pills that were found at Paisley Park and taken into custody:

CVS Pharmacy bottle containing Ondansetron HCL  8 mg. 

1. Ondansetron is primaily used to prevent nausea and vomiting that is caused by cancer medicines (chemotherapy or radiation therapy). The brand name for this drug is Zofran. This drug should define the condition or state of the user more than any other drug that was taken from Paisley Park.  


2. It works by blocking the action of serotonin, the signal on the brain that causes nausea and vomiting. There were many posters in numerous org. threads ( to include this one) who had already stated these findings. I have not found any other compelling reason for the use of this drug other than that which is clearly stated above. This is to include HIV and AIDS.

3. This drug can produce a variety of serious side effects to include , but not limited to; itching, rash, nervousness, anxiety,  irregular heartbeats, etc.

4. Ths may explain a lot of the other prescribed drugs that were given to Prince by Dr. Schulenberg.

5.  One prescription was writtend for Kirk Johnson by Dr. Schulenberg and is shown as, Oxycodone. However, the CVS Pharmacy bottle with the Ondansetron HCL 8mg, was in Kirk Johnson's name. The Midwest Monitoring Program does not list Kirk Johnson as receiving Ondansetron via a doctor's prescription.  Unless Kirk had problems with nausea and vomiting too, I think you can understand what is happening here.

5. Since I don't believe Prince had surgery as current as when the pills were found, I believe he was either self medicating without the use of chemotherapy, or , receiving chemotherapy secretly. I lean to the former. 


Short Summary 

So far, it seems that self adminstered mechanisms were devised in order to manage some type of pain. There is less evidence that this is primarily driven by addiction.


*For your records :

MedlinePlus Information on Ondansetron Hydrochloride

 


Thank you for this.
Reply #115 posted 11/03/17 4:38pm

Dibblekins

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

In continuation of the pills that were found at Paisley Park and taken into custody:

"One (1) orange pill with the inscription #8".

1.This pill appears to be buprenorphine ( a scheduled III substance). It is pirmarily used to treat withdrawals from opiod addiction, but is also used to reduce pain and produce feelings of well being as it binds with the opioid receptors.

2. The brand name for buprenorphine is Subutex.

3. Suboxone is the commercial name for Buprenorphine when combined with Naloxone.

4. Andrew Kornfeld brought Buprenorphine with him for his scheduled visit with Prince on 4-20-16.

Though procured illegally, I think we can ascertain that on its own , or in interaction with the other substances, it is unlikely that this produced lethal toxicity.


Short Summary



So far, we have what appeaear to be the following: A substantial need to increas Vitamain D intake: Which may be the result of a host of issues , to include, but not limited to; dietary inadequacy, impaired absorption and use, increased requirement, limited sun light exposure, kidneys that cannot convert it , digestive tract is inadequate ,and the all of the other things that many of you (LR, Stlmuziqlvr,Dibblekins, Penny) mentioned previously.

I wanted to add that there is precedent and correlation for us to assume that inadequate Vitamin D levels is linked to the amount of narcotic medication for those with chronic pain who are ingesting opioids as they are seeking relief from certain cancer types.

* For your records.

Low Vitamin D Levels Are ...ose in ...



Buprenorphine: A New Treatment Option for Opioid Addiction

Buprenorphine Safety, Adverse Reactions, and Drug Interactions












—The is interesting as this means he had the Suboxne already before Andre came and I wondered on this board why he did not just get some to ween himself off which I know think he was trying to do. Perhaps withdrawing on an outpatient basis. It is the only thing that explains how he was able to get around.

I think the single orange pill described above, and confiscated from PP, was the one brought by Andrew. I seem to recall details about it (and the backpack) in the warrant, if Menes can confirm.

Reply #116 posted 11/03/17 5:01pm

Menes

Dibblekins said:

laurarichardson said:

Menes said: —The is interesting as this means he had the Suboxne already before Andre came and I wondered on this board why he did not just get some to ween himself off which I know think he was trying to do. Perhaps withdrawing on an outpatient basis. It is the only thing that explains how he was able to get around.

I think the single orange pill described above, and confiscated from PP, was the one brought by Andrew. I seem to recall details about it (and the backpack) in the warrant, if Menes can confirm.

Hi Dibblekins,

I think the contents of the green back pack Andrew Kornfeld brought with him was processed separately.


I think that the pills he listed in the backpack ( numerous), are different from the abovementioned list of pills in the warrant ( although one of them may have the same name). Also, he had no time to meet or present anything to Prince. All of the pills remained in the backpack which was processed separately from what was found at Paisley Park. It may have been his intention to administer it to him, but I think that pill was already there.

You can see the contents of the backpack in the link below.

For your records:


Search Warrant

Reply #117 posted 11/03/17 5:08pm

2045RadicalMattZ

anangellooksdown said:

"n. DEA learned that Prince's computer had several email accounts to include mistag3@ gmail..." Does anyone have any idea what mistag3 could stand for? I can't bring him back as he was, so this stood out as interesting to me. Always wanting to know more about our Prince. ❤️

My sole contrbution here: .. lOOKs like it stands for "MyStage"



simple bastardization of characters $umt#!n6 L!k3 T#!$

"Am I the only one who thought that LGBT was a new type of sandwich?"
Reply #118 posted 11/03/17 5:23pm

Dibblekins

Menes said:

Dibblekins said:

I think the single orange pill described above, and confiscated from PP, was the one brought by Andrew. I seem to recall details about it (and the backpack) in the warrant, if Menes can confirm.

Hi Dibblekins,

I think the contents of the green back pack Andrew Kornfeld brought with him was processed separately.


I think that the pills he listed in the backpack ( numerous), are different from the abovementioned list of pills in the warrant ( although one of them may have the same name). Also, he had no time to meet or present anything to Prince. All of the pills remained in the backpack which was processed separately from what was found at Paisley Park. It may have been his intention to administer it to him, but I think that pill was already there.

You can see the contents of the backpack in the link below.

For your records:


Search Warrant



Quite right...Interesting! Thank you!

Reply #119 posted 11/03/17 5:24pm

Dibblekins

2045RadicalMattZ said:

anangellooksdown said:

"n. DEA learned that Prince's computer had several email accounts to include mistag3@ gmail..." Does anyone have any idea what mistag3 could stand for? I can't bring him back as he was, so this stood out as interesting to me. Always wanting to know more about our Prince. ❤️

My sole contrbution here: .. lOOKs like it stands for "MyStage"



simple bastardization of characters $umt#!n6 L!k3 T#!$

Good call!

Reply #120 posted 11/03/17 6:00pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

Suboxone is very controlled substance and very few doctors are authorized to prescribe.

Reply #121 posted 11/03/17 6:34pm

Menes

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

In continuation of the pills that were found at Paisley Park and taken into custody:

"One (1) orange pill with the inscription #8".

1.This pill appears to be buprenorphine ( a scheduled III substance). It is pirmarily used to treat withdrawals from opiod addiction, but is also used to reduce pain and produce feelings of well being as it binds with the opioid receptors.

2. The brand name for buprenorphine is Subutex.

3. Suboxone is the commercial name for Buprenorphine when combined with Naloxone.

4. Andrew Kornfeld brought Buprenorphine with him for his scheduled visit with Prince on 4-20-16.

Though procured illegally, I think we can ascertain that on its own , or in interaction with the other substances, it is unlikely that this produced lethal toxicity.


Short Summary



So far, we have what appeaear to be the following: A substantial need to increas Vitamain D intake: Which may be the result of a host of issues , to include, but not limited to; dietary inadequacy, impaired absorption and use, increased requirement, limited sun light exposure, kidneys that cannot convert it , digestive tract is inadequate ,and the all of the other things that many of you (LR, Stlmuziqlvr,Dibblekins, Penny) mentioned previously.

I wanted to add that there is precedent and correlation for us to assume that inadequate Vitamin D levels is linked to the amount of narcotic medication for those with chronic pain who are ingesting opioids as they are seeking relief from certain cancer types.

* For your records.

Low Vitamin D Levels Are ...ose in ...



Buprenorphine: A New Treatment Option for Opioid Addiction

Buprenorphine Safety, Adverse Reactions, and Drug Interactions












—The is interesting as this means he had the Suboxne already before Andrew came and I wondered on this board why he did not just get some to ween himself off which I now think he was trying to do. Perhaps withdrawing on an outpatient basis while dealing with other issues. It is the only thing that explains how he was able to get around. [Edited 11/3/17 16:43pm]

Let's keep in mind that even with the ondanestron, there was no prescription for it. Let's think about that for a second. Zofran is not in the least bit a popular drug on the street that dealers are distributing. If you don't have a prescription for that, you either have access to a pill mill (domestic or foreign), or, have someone on the inside to get it for you ( as in a doctor or pharmacist).

A lot of these drugs may not have been bought from "off the street". Just look at the way that bottle ended up in Kirk's name yet , with no prescription. It is as if someone intentionally orchestrated that.

Reply #122 posted 11/03/17 8:03pm

Menes

Menes said:

Menes said:

In continuation of the pills that were found at Paisley Park and taken into custody:

Ten(10) white pills with the inscription "A-349"

1.This pill seems to be identified with Acetaminophen and Oxycodone hydrochrloride 325 mg/5mg , and at times is commonly called, generic "Percocet". It produces the same action as other opioid medications that bind to opioid receptors.

2. It is widely used to alleviate moderate to severe pain, but is also increasingly used in the managemenat of cancer related and chronic pain.

3. Acetaminophen can play a vital role in Vitamin D deficiency , and both renal/ liver failure.

4.Kirk Johnson had Oxycodone prescribed to him by Dr. Schulenberg on 4-14-2016. This is not the same bottle. I am speculating that either Prince initially used it as a test pilot , or gained knowledge of its usage, and then procured his own after finding a form of relief from it.



Short Summary


So far , it seems that self administered control mechanisms were devised in order to manage some type of pain. There is less evidence that this was primarily driven by addiction.

* For your records:

Use of Oxycodone in Pain ...NCBI - NIH


[Edited 11/3/17 15:41pm]

In continuation of the pills that were found at Paisley Park and taken into custody:

CVS Pharmacy bottle containing Ondansetron HCL 8 mg.

1. Ondansetron is primaily used to prevent nausea and vomiting that is caused by cancer medicines (chemotherapy or radiation therapy). The brand name for this drug is Zofran. This drug should define the condition or state of the user more than any other drug that was taken from Paisley Park.


2. It works by blocking the action of serotonin, the signal on the brain that causes nausea and vomiting. There were many posters in numerous org. threads ( to include this one) who had already stated these findings. I have not found any other compelling reason for the use of this drug other than that which is clearly stated above. This is to include HIV and AIDS.

3. This drug can produce a variety of serious side effects to include , but not limited to; itching, rash, nervousness, anxiety, irregular heartbeats, etc.

4. Ths may explain a lot of the other prescribed drugs that were given to Prince by Dr. Schulenberg.

5. One prescription was writtend for Kirk Johnson by Dr. Schulenberg and is shown as, Oxycodone. However, the CVS Pharmacy bottle with the Ondansetron HCL 8mg, was in Kirk Johnson's name. The Midwest Monitoring Program does not list Kirk Johnson as receiving Ondansetron via a doctor's prescription. Unless Kirk had problems with nausea and vomiting too, I think you can understand what is happening here.

5. Since I don't believe Prince had surgery as current as when the pills were found, I believe he was either self medicating without the use of chemotherapy, or , receiving chemotherapy secretly. I lean to the former.


Short Summary

So far, it seems that self adminstered mechanisms were devised in order to manage some type of pain. There is less evidence that this is primarily driven by addiction.


*For your records :

MedlinePlus Information o...rochloride

[Edited 11/3/17 16:42pm]

I may need to adjust my eyeballs because this thng I will now write, is for me, a disaster with these tabloid and news outlets.

They should all be fired!

So, I am nearing the end of my report on the drugs mentioned in all of the warrants . I am looking at these things and I am perplexed by such odd findings.

I do my searches and come up empty and can't understand why. Then it hits me. It's the wrong fucking set of numbers and descriptions that was reported on for over a year!

What is this thing you may wonder?

3-8-5. Remember that number? Watson 385.

The trusted AP, Billboard, and on and on and on we could go. 385 is the mislabeled tainted toxic pill that contained fentanyl. No, not a fentanyl pill, not another pill , but watson 3-8-5. Nope, not even the real watson 853 pill is part of the discussion/ article.



We have the warrant here. The warrant says watson 853 ! Typo you say? It gets better!

Billboard states that the "watson 385" pills were found in a Vitamin C bottle! It just keeps getting worse!

Our trusted AP( Associated Press) source corrected a "mistake they made by stating that it was U-47700 and not U-4770 that was the synthetic drugs found in some pills. The article goes on to say that "nearly two dozen pills were falsely labeled Watson 385". Then they lied and said that the Star Tribune reported the false labeling first. eek I don't think the Star Tribune article mentioned any set of numbers.

* The NY times did get it right.


Pills Found at Prince's E... Billboard




Correction: Prince Death ... - AP News


Why is that important? There has never been any conclusive evidence that fentanyl laced death pills were contained in watson 853, nor that any of the pills contained U-47700 or U4770. Not even those on the street. Google it. I'll wait. Ok, I'm done waiting.


So here we are, on this wild goose chase (or is it just me) to find this nasty fentanyl outbreak that got into the millions of counterfeit batches of Watson 385. Or is it Watson 853? Either way, it would be part of the batch that Prince would get a hold of. Yes,yes, of course.

I know getting information from the DEA is harder than prying anything from a crab's ass, but they did give us a free report. Nice dates too.

There are some more tidbits but I will give you time to read the DEA's boring report that was filed in July , 2016 . Ill give you a tidbit now.

So, remember that AP report about the correction they made from U-47700 to U-4770? How ironic is it that pills, that were blue , with the marking "A215" did contain U-47700 in March of 2016 ( see page 5).


For your records:

Counterfeit Prescription ... ... - DEA

Reply #123 posted 11/03/17 10:24pm

Strawberrylova123

mmmmm Elisa post this on twitter...clues?

This is happening on Monday. Be there 4 Pancreatic Cancer and 4 Prince. It's gonna b a Purple night of

Reply #124 posted 11/03/17 10:34pm

PennyPurple

eek

Strawberrylova123 said:

mmmmm Elisa post this on twitter...clues?

This is happening on Monday. Be there 4 Pancreatic Cancer and 4 Prince. It's gonna b a Purple night of

Reply #125 posted 11/03/17 10:52pm

Strawberrylova123

PennyPurple said:

eek



Strawberrylova123 said:


mmmmm  Elisa post this on twitter...clues?


 


 






This is happening on Monday. Be there 4 Pancreatic Cancer and 4 Prince. It's gonna b a Purple night of



 




 


Didn't someone on here say he might of had pancreatic cancer
Reply #126 posted 11/04/17 3:51am

TypoQueen

Strawberrylova123 said:

mmmmm  Elisa post this on twitter...clues?


 


 






This is happening on Monday. Be there 4 Pancreatic Cancer and 4 Prince. It's gonna b a Purple night of



 



cry my uncle recently passed away due to pancreatic cancer. The colour purple is used by campaigners and charities to raise awareness. In the UK this week/weekend is “stand up to cancer”. Everyone is raising awareness.
Reply #127 posted 11/04/17 4:03am

MMJas

Pancreatic cancer in the head of the pancreas tends to cause symptoms such as weight loss, jaundice (yellow skin), dark urine, light stool color, itching, nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, back pain, and enlarged lymph nodes in the neck.

This possibility cannot be overuled, imo. Although I'm thinking it might have been a combination of both factors (drug abuse and ilness). If Prince found out he had pancreatic cancer 3 years ago that would be 2014. He was kinda bloated around this time, so perhaps he did some chemo treatment. Then we got AOA. Being told he had cancer might have made him start thinking about "tidying up his place", as many people take this terrible diagnosis as a death sentence. He might have been battling it right up until his death. Maybe the cancer later spread or came back in full force, hence the jaundice, weight loss, vomiting, the chefs' account of him not being able to keep food down, cancelling of shows, calling old friends, reminishing during P&M, etc. He was wearing gloves and turtle necks indoors.

His frailty in 2016 is undeniable. He probably had managed to deal with his pain med increasing dependency for long, but that combined with some physical ilness proved to be a letal combination.

[Edited 11/4/17 4:24am]

[Edited 11/4/17 4:25am]

Reply #128 posted 11/04/17 4:07am

TypoQueen

Menes said:

 



Menes said:


 



Menes said:


 


In continuation of the pills that were found at Paisley Park and taken into custody:

 Ten(10) white pills with the inscription "A-349"

1.This pill seems to be identified with Acetaminophen and Oxycodone hydrochrloride 325 mg/5mg , and at times is commonly called, generic "Percocet". It produces the same action as other opioid medications that bind to opioid receptors.

2. It is widely used to alleviate moderate to severe pain, but is also increasingly used in the managemenat of cancer related and chronic pain. 

3. Acetaminophen can play a vital role in Vitamin D deficiency , and both renal/ liver failure.

4.Kirk Johnson had Oxycodone prescribed to him by Dr. Schulenberg on 4-14-2016.  This is not the same bottle.  I am speculating that either Prince initially used it as a test pilot , or gained knowledge of its usage, and then procured his own after finding a form of relief from it.



Short Summary


So far , it seems that self administered control mechanisms were devised in order to manage some type of pain. There is less evidence that this was primarily driven by addiction.

* For your records:

Use of Oxycodone in Pain Management - NCBI - NIH

 
 


[Edited 11/3/17 15:41pm]



In continuation of the pills that were found at Paisley Park and taken into custody:

CVS Pharmacy bottle containing Ondansetron HCL  8 mg. 

1. Ondansetron is primaily used to prevent nausea and vomiting that is caused by cancer medicines (chemotherapy or radiation therapy). The brand name for this drug is Zofran. This drug should define the condition or state of the user more than any other drug that was taken from Paisley Park.  


2. It works by blocking the action of serotonin, the signal on the brain that causes nausea and vomiting. There were many posters in numerous org. threads ( to include this one) who had already stated these findings. I have not found any other compelling reason for the use of this drug other than that which is clearly stated above. This is to include HIV and AIDS.

3. This drug can produce a variety of serious side effects to include , but not limited to; itching, rash, nervousness, anxiety,  irregular heartbeats, etc.

4. Ths may explain a lot of the other prescribed drugs that were given to Prince by Dr. Schulenberg.

5.  One prescription was writtend for Kirk Johnson by Dr. Schulenberg and is shown as, Oxycodone. However, the CVS Pharmacy bottle with the Ondansetron HCL 8mg, was in Kirk Johnson's name. The Midwest Monitoring Program does not list Kirk Johnson as receiving Ondansetron via a doctor's prescription.  Unless Kirk had problems with nausea and vomiting too, I think you can understand what is happening here.

5. Since I don't believe Prince had surgery as current as when the pills were found, I believe he was either self medicating without the use of chemotherapy, or , receiving chemotherapy secretly. I lean to the former. 


Short Summary 

So far, it seems that self adminstered mechanisms were devised in order to manage some type of pain. There is less evidence that this is primarily driven by addiction.


*For your records :

MedlinePlus Information on Ondansetron Hydrochloride

 


[Edited 11/3/17 16:42pm]



I may need to adjust my eyeballs because this thng I will now write, is for me, a disaster with these tabloid and news outlets. 

They should all be fired!

So, I am nearing the end of my report on the drugs mentioned in all of the warrants . I am looking at these things and I am perplexed by such odd findings. 

I do my searches and come up empty and can't understand why. Then it hits me. It's the wrong fucking set of numbers and descriptions that was reported on for over a year!

What is this thing you may wonder?

3-8-5. Remember that number? Watson 385.

The trusted AP, Billboard, and on and on and on we could go. 385 is the mislabeled tainted toxic pill that contained fentanyl. No, not a fentanyl pill, not another pill , but watson 3-8-5. Nope, not even the real watson 853 pill is part of the discussion/ article.



We have the warrant here. The warrant says watson 853 ! Typo you say? It gets better!

Billboard states that the "watson 385" pills were found in a Vitamin C bottle! It just keeps getting worse!

Our trusted AP( Associated Press) source corrected a "mistake they made by stating that it was U-47700 and not U-4770 that was the synthetic drugs found in some pills. The article goes on to say that "nearly two dozen pills were falsely labeled Watson 385". Then they lied and said that the Star Tribune reported the false labeling first.  eek  I don't think the Star Tribune article mentioned any set of numbers.

* The NY times did get it right.


Pills Found at Prince's Estate Contained Fentanyl | Billboard




Correction: Prince Death story - AP News

 
Why is that important? There has never been any conclusive evidence that fentanyl laced death pills were contained in watson 853, nor that any of the pills contained U-47700 or U4770. Not even those on the street. Google it. I'll wait. Ok, I'm done waiting. 


So here we are, on this wild goose chase (or is it just me) to find this nasty fentanyl outbreak that got into the millions of counterfeit batches of Watson 385. Or is it Watson 853? Either way, it would be part of the batch that Prince would get a hold of. Yes,yes, of course. 

I know getting information from the DEA is harder than prying anything from a crab's ass, but they did give us a free report. Nice dates too. 

There are some more tidbits but I will give you time to read the DEA's boring report that was filed in July , 2016 . Ill give you a tidbit now.

So, remember that AP report about the correction they made from U-47700 to U-4770? How ironic is it that pills, that were blue , with the marking "A215" did contain U-47700 in March of 2016 ( see page 5).


For your records:

Counterfeit Prescription Pills Containing Fentanyls, A Global ... - DEA


Years back Counterfeit drugs got into the NHS chain in UK.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-16760513

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7865569.stm
Reply #129 posted 11/04/17 10:48am

Menes

TypoQueen said:

Menes said:

I may need to adjust my eyeballs because this thng I will now write, is for me, a disaster with these tabloid and news outlets.

They should all be fired!

So, I am nearing the end of my report on the drugs mentioned in all of the warrants . I am looking at these things and I am perplexed by such odd findings.

I do my searches and come up empty and can't understand why. Then it hits me. It's the wrong fucking set of numbers and descriptions that was reported on for over a year!

What is this thing you may wonder?

3-8-5. Remember that number? Watson 385.

The trusted AP, Billboard, and on and on and on we could go. 385 is the mislabeled tainted toxic pill that contained fentanyl. No, not a fentanyl pill, not another pill , but watson 3-8-5. Nope, not even the real watson 853 pill is part of the discussion/ article.



We have the warrant here. The warrant says watson 853 ! Typo you say? It gets better!

Billboard states that the "watson 385" pills were found in a Vitamin C bottle! It just keeps getting worse!

Our trusted AP( Associated Press) source corrected a "mistake they made by stating that it was U-47700 and not U-4770 that was the synthetic drugs found in some pills. The article goes on to say that "nearly two dozen pills were falsely labeled Watson 385". Then they lied and said that the Star Tribune reported the false labeling first. eek I don't think the Star Tribune article mentioned any set of numbers.

* The NY times did get it right.


Pills Found at Prince's E... Billboard




Correction: Prince Death ... - AP News


Why is that important? There has never been any conclusive evidence that fentanyl laced death pills were contained in watson 853, nor that any of the pills contained U-47700 or U4770. Not even those on the street. Google it. I'll wait. Ok, I'm done waiting.


So here we are, on this wild goose chase (or is it just me) to find this nasty fentanyl outbreak that got into the millions of counterfeit batches of Watson 385. Or is it Watson 853? Either way, it would be part of the batch that Prince would get a hold of. Yes,yes, of course.

I know getting information from the DEA is harder than prying anything from a crab's ass, but they did give us a free report. Nice dates too.

There are some more tidbits but I will give you time to read the DEA's boring report that was filed in July , 2016 . Ill give you a tidbit now.

So, remember that AP report about the correction they made from U-47700 to U-4770? How ironic is it that pills, that were blue , with the marking "A215" did contain U-47700 in March of 2016 ( see page 5).


For your records:

Counterfeit Prescription ... ... - DEA

Years back Counterfeit drugs got into the NHS chain in UK. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news...h-16760513 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h...865569.stm

Well, I didn't find any alarming or compelling reports to support that in the U.S., (specifically the Midwest) there was/is a groundswell of "watson 853" counterfeit pills laced with toxic levels of Fentanyl that were/is the cause of mass overdose.

However , there was/is a marked increase in the Midwest in heroin overdsoes that were laced with toxic levels of fentanyl.

Those pills were/are imprinted differently and are still in heavy rotation from regiom to region.

I found one news source in Louisiana (Natchitoches Parish) where the article talks about "numerous" watson 853 pills that contained toxic levels of fentanyl and Alprozalam ( generic Xanax).

Another pill (dubbed the "superpill"), has the imprint,"xanax" and not watson 853.The Midwest was inundated with this pill and was/is the cause of a tremendous amout of overdoses from 2012-present. There are different street names for it from region to region.

Oxycodone copycat pills (laced with toxic doses of fentanyl and imprinted as A215 and not watson 853), is the counterfeit pill that inundated the Midwest and caused tremendous spikes in deaths nation wide from 2012-present. These have been dubbed "roxi" pills but may have different street name from region to region.

It is becoming increasingly difficult to find any conclusive evidence, that pills, namely watson 853, was/is laced with toxic levels of fentanyl and was/is mass distributed nationally, or more precisely ,the Midwest (Minnesota).


* As an aside, we can trace the bulk of pills coming to the Midwest from specific regions and cartels in Mexico . With the correct search , you can find who makes what pill, cotents of the pill, distirbution routes , etc.

Borderland Beat

Reply #130 posted 11/04/17 12:08pm

Spanky

ThatWhiteDude said:

Menes said:

 



Menes said:


 



Menes said:


I wanted to disregard all of the tabloid information I've read and focus soley on the facts of each search warrant that was reviewed here. Of note, there are some things in these warrants that I was not aware of and found interesting. Some if not most of it, is already known here on the org.  I will highlight the tidbits that I wasn't aware of until taking a closer look at the warrants. I wil post each in descending order as time permits.

September 19, 2016 warrant filed and issued. 

1. This is the warrant for all data maintained by Google, Inc. for the Gmail account identified as Paislerparkafterdark@gmail.com. The facts tending to establish foregoing grounds for issuance are as followed.

Below are the finding from the "Affiant" , detective Christina Warner, of the Carver County Sherriff's office for 16 years.

a. On April 21, 2016 at 0943 hours , the Sheriffs deputies were dispatched to Paisley Park studios. 

b. Prince Rogers Nelson was found in an elevator and not breathing.

c. Prince was unresponsive and pronounced deceased at the scene. 

d. Witnesses at the scene that were interviewed stated that Prince recently had a history of going thru withdrawals which are believed to be the result of the abuse of prescription medication. ( I wasn't aware that someone in Prince's camp stated that).

e. The Affiant learned that Prince had "passed out" during a flight from Atlanta.

f. According to one of the witnesses interviewed, Prince admitted to taking 1-2 "pain pills" during this flight.

g. During the search of Prince's residence, detectives located numerous controlled substance pills in various containers and areas of Prince's bedroom, some of which was in a suitcase with the name tag of "Peter Bravestrong". Inside of the suitcase were several prescription bottles in the name of Kirk Johnson. 

h. Prince had no prescriptions issued to him but Kirk Johnson had Oxycodone prescribed to him by Dr. Michael Schuelenberg on 4-14-2016 according to the Minnesota Prescription Monitoring Program. 

i. On 4-26-16 Attorney Gary Hansen (who had been appointed to take care of Prince's affairs after death) provided consent for the Sherriff's office to take custody of a silver Apple laptop computer found in Prince's bedroom.

j. On Monday 5-19-2016 Sgt. Meir received a phone call from Dr. Quin Strobel(ME) on whch the results of Prince's toxicology screening showed Prince had a lethal dose of the narcotic fentanyl in his system. (wasn't the information released prior to this date, or was it June?)

k. Dr. Schulenberg( who was at the scene on 4-21-2016) admitted to prescribing Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the landing but put the prescription in kirk Johnson's name for privacy.

L. Affiant learned that Prince did not have a regular doctor and that his managers would set him up with various doctors before a show so that Prince could get a "b12" injection before his performance. 

m. Affiant learned that Julia Yasine Ramadan(Prince's manager from 2011-2013) set up a google account for Prince identified as jyramadan@gmail.com.

n. DEA learned that Prince's computer had several email accounts to include mistag3@ gmail, peterbravestrong @gmail, paisleyparkafterdark@gmail, and jyramaan@gmail.

o. Affiant learned that Julia Ramadan told detective Kuhnau that after she heard about the drug overdose ,she had sent an email to Prince stating "sending my love" to which a response of "love recieved " was sent back to her.

p. On 9-19-2016, Affiant received information from google that all accounts were current. There was also a recovery email that was set up in the name of KAJhipfit.net which is one of the accounts registered to Kirk Johnson. The Affiant confirmed that they are aware that Kirk Johnson previously assisted Prince in obtaining a controlled substance by contacting Dr. Schulenberg on 4-14-16.
 



June 10th, 2016 search warrant filed and issued: re: Cell tower records: Some information may overlap with September , 2016 warrant.

This is the warrant for all cell tower records (At&T). It is related to a specific cell number . The number is listed. I did call it 100 times or more some months back. No one answered. 

a. On April 14 2016, Prince traveled to Atlanta , Ga, for a concert. Among those traveling with Prince was Kirk Johnson. On April 15th, 2016, Prince suffered a medical emergency and the plane made an emergency landing at Moline, IL.

b. The doctor who treated Prince documented Prince as suffering from an opiate overdose, however, Prince refused treatment ast the hospital. Johnson told hospital staff that Prince may have taken percocet. PRince was released later that morning. 

c. The Affiant has learned that Kirk Johnson had contacted Dr.Schulenberg for Prince in regard to hip pain. Dr. Schlenberg met with Prince and prescribed him Clonidine, Hydroxyzine Pamoate and Daizepam. 

d. On 4 20-16 Johnson went to Walgreens to pick up a presciption for Prince located at 4950 CO rd 101. Kirk Johnson said it was the first time he had done that. 

e. During a search warrant executed on 4-21-16 at Paisley Park, a suitcase was found next to Prince's bed. One Vitamin D bottle was shown and contained Odanestron hydrochloride. 

f. Johnson told investigators he was unaware that Prince was addicted to pain medication. Many of the pills that were found were found in places Prince would often frequent. As in bedroom, wardrobe , laundry room. 

g. Your Affiant finds it reasonable that Johnson would have had knowledge of Prince's abuse of narcotics /medication.

h. Your Affiant is aware that Johnson is one of the very few people that have unrestricted access to Paisley Park.



June 1st, 2016 Search warrant filed and issued. Some information may overlap with previous posts. This is in relation to additonal Cellular tower Dumps for Sprint.

a. The Affiant , detective, Tyles Stahn received information from interviews that Prince's assistant had arranged between Prince and medical professionals to assess Prince's medical concerns.  One of those professionals was Andrew Kornfeld. Kornfeld was at Prince's residence when Prince was found deceased.

b. Kornfeld was found to be in possession of several controlled substances that he did not have a prescription for.

c. During the course of the investigation , investigators learned that Prince had not been heard  or seen from since 4-20-2016 around 2000 hours. The Affiant is aware that there is no security or video surveillance and that Prince lived by himself.

d. The investigation reveals that interviews of those who were there when Prince was found that morning, are inconsistent and contradictory at times.

e. The Affiant is aware that friends of Prince who were there were receiving and making phone calls/ text messages on the morning his body was found.

 


2000 hours? eek

They say 2000:00 party’s over, whoops! Out of time.
I wish u heaven
Reply #131 posted 11/04/17 1:17pm

Dibblekins

Spanky said:

ThatWhiteDude said:
2000 hours? eek
They say 2000:00 party’s over, whoops! Out of time.

Whoaaahhh... eek

Reply #132 posted 11/04/17 3:36pm

206Michelle

Menes, Is this information you are posting coming from documents at http://www.mncourts.gov/Media/In-Re-The-Investigation-into-the-Death-of-Prince.aspx ?
Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
Reply #133 posted 11/04/17 3:48pm

206Michelle

Menes said:

Just wanted to say that I took away for these reports (coupled wth some other reports that I have)  a strong sense of pain that was undeniable, and in no uncertaing terms , pointing to the end of the road.

The "don't ask, dont tell" choir is quite apparent and is indicative of the type of person he was.

There is one central figure in this story (besides Prince)whom the investigators certainly focused on very early on.

I do not believe that the amount of pills found are an indication of relief for merely "hip pain"  or, that they soley represent addiction . Rather, that there was a more serious underlying illness, coupled with other ailments that compounded the problem of addiction. This cascading narrative inevitably was going to lead to a full disclosure of everything that was once guarded and impenetrable. 

Accidental or not, I don't think he was in a very good space regardless of what he had planned for the future and he knew that.


For your records:


 In Re: The Investigation into the Death of Prince Rogers Nelson



Memes, I think you have made a very fair, reasonable assessment here, and I very much agree with it.
.
It is so sad that Prince was unwilling to seek treatment in a timely manner. I think his pride may have got the best of him in this situation (referring to the health issues and/or painkiller abuse).
Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
Reply #134 posted 11/04/17 3:56pm

206Michelle

anangellooksdown said:

XxAxX said:

sad  poor sweetie.  he had to have been in intense pain.  bawl



Exactly my thoughts. I feel he couldn't stand the pain anymore. I am sad all over again today.
[Edited 11/2/17 16:47pm]


And I think it was more than just physical pain. I think there was emotional pain as well. I wonder if he was lonely. He was around people, but he didn’t have anyone “to come home to.” He didn’t have his own family. I don’t even have a clear idea of how close he was to his siblings or neices and nephews.
Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
Reply #135 posted 11/04/17 5:26pm

XxAxX

206Michelle said:

anangellooksdown said:
Exactly my thoughts. I feel he couldn't stand the pain anymore. I am sad all over again today. [Edited 11/2/17 16:47pm]
And I think it was more than just physical pain. I think there was emotional pain as well. I wonder if he was lonely. He was around people, but he didn’t have anyone “to come home to.” He didn’t have his own family. I don’t even have a clear idea of how close he was to his siblings or neices and nephews.



my father passed away of pancreatic cancer in 2001. so i'm likely projecting on Prince's passing, but from what i've seen in this thread, and my own observations of P the last time I saw him in person (autumn, 2015 and i deeply regret missing his last parties), he might have been suffering from something similar. poor Mr. Nelson. I just... can't. can't believe he's gone. hope he did not suffer terribly. too sad. rose sad

Reply #136 posted 11/04/17 5:52pm

PennyPurple

XxAxX said:

206Michelle said:

anangellooksdown said: And I think it was more than just physical pain. I think there was emotional pain as well. I wonder if he was lonely. He was around people, but he didn’t have anyone “to come home to.” He didn’t have his own family. I don’t even have a clear idea of how close he was to his siblings or neices and nephews.



my father passed away of pancreatic cancer in 2001. so i'm likely projecting on Prince's passing, but from what i've seen in this thread, and my own observations of P the last time I saw him in person (autumn, 2015 and i deeply regret missing his last parties), he might have been suffering from something similar. poor Mr. Nelson. I just... can't. can't believe he's gone. hope he did not suffer terribly. too sad. rose sad

My cousin lasted 6 weeks when she was diagnosed with it. It's brutal.

Reply #137 posted 11/04/17 7:28pm

Menes

Menes said:

Menes said:

In continuation of the pills that were found at Paisley Park and taken into custody:

CVS Pharmacy bottle containing Ondansetron HCL 8 mg.

1. Ondansetron is primaily used to prevent nausea and vomiting that is caused by cancer medicines (chemotherapy or radiation therapy). The brand name for this drug is Zofran. This drug should define the condition or state of the user more than any other drug that was taken from Paisley Park.


2. It works by blocking the action of serotonin, the signal on the brain that causes nausea and vomiting. There were many posters in numerous org. threads ( to include this one) who had already stated these findings. I have not found any other compelling reason for the use of this drug other than that which is clearly stated above. This is to include HIV and AIDS.

3. This drug can produce a variety of serious side effects to include , but not limited to; itching, rash, nervousness, anxiety, irregular heartbeats, etc.

4. Ths may explain a lot of the other prescribed drugs that were given to Prince by Dr. Schulenberg.

5. One prescription was writtend for Kirk Johnson by Dr. Schulenberg and is shown as, Oxycodone. However, the CVS Pharmacy bottle with the Ondansetron HCL 8mg, was in Kirk Johnson's name. The Midwest Monitoring Program does not list Kirk Johnson as receiving Ondansetron via a doctor's prescription. Unless Kirk had problems with nausea and vomiting too, I think you can understand what is happening here.

5. Since I don't believe Prince had surgery as current as when the pills were found, I believe he was either self medicating without the use of chemotherapy, or , receiving chemotherapy secretly. I lean to the former.


Short Summary

So far, it seems that self adminstered mechanisms were devised in order to manage some type of pain. There is less evidence that this is primarily driven by addiction.


*For your records :

MedlinePlus Information o...rochloride

[Edited 11/3/17 16:42pm]

I may need to adjust my eyeballs because this thng I will now write, is for me, a disaster with these tabloid and news outlets.

They should all be fired!

So, I am nearing the end of my report on the drugs mentioned in all of the warrants . I am looking at these things and I am perplexed by such odd findings.

I do my searches and come up empty and can't understand why. Then it hits me. It's the wrong fucking set of numbers and descriptions that was reported on for over a year!

What is this thing you may wonder?

3-8-5. Remember that number? Watson 385.

The trusted AP, Billboard, and on and on and on we could go. 385 is the mislabeled tainted toxic pill that contained fentanyl. No, not a fentanyl pill, not another pill , but watson 3-8-5. Nope, not even the real watson 853 pill is part of the discussion/ article.



We have the warrant here. The warrant says watson 853 ! Typo you say? It gets better!

Billboard states that the "watson 385" pills were found in a Vitamin C bottle! It just keeps getting worse!

Our trusted AP( Associated Press) source corrected a "mistake they made by stating that it was U-47700 and not U-4770 that was the synthetic drugs found in some pills. The article goes on to say that "nearly two dozen pills were falsely labeled Watson 385". Then they lied and said that the Star Tribune reported the false labeling first. eek I don't think the Star Tribune article mentioned any set of numbers.

* The NY times did get it right.


Pills Found at Prince's E... Billboard




Correction: Prince Death ... - AP News


Why is that important? There has never been any conclusive evidence that fentanyl laced death pills were contained in watson 853, nor that any of the pills contained U-47700 or U4770. Not even those on the street. Google it. I'll wait. Ok, I'm done waiting.


So here we are, on this wild goose chase (or is it just me) to find this nasty fentanyl outbreak that got into the millions of counterfeit batches of Watson 385. Or is it Watson 853? Either way, it would be part of the batch that Prince would get a hold of. Yes,yes, of course.

I know getting information from the DEA is harder than prying anything from a crab's ass, but they did give us a free report. Nice dates too.

There are some more tidbits but I will give you time to read the DEA's boring report that was filed in July , 2016 . Ill give you a tidbit now.

So, remember that AP report about the correction they made from U-47700 to U-4770? How ironic is it that pills, that were blue , with the marking "A215" did contain U-47700 in March of 2016 ( see page 5).


For your records:

Counterfeit Prescription ... ... - DEA

Overview and summary of pills found:

I counted the amount of pills that were taking into custody and that are directly related to the discussion of opiate overdose. This does not include the total number of pills taken into custody. The number of pills takes into custody (and specifically related to opiate overdose) was 109.75

1. Of the 109.75 number of pills, 99.75 were labled Watson 853.

2. Of the 109.75 number of pills, ten(10) were labeled A-349.

3. Both of these pills are opiates, namely hydrocodone and oxycodone.

4. An exhaustive search was done to determine whether or not there was an outbreak of illicit pills bearing the imprint of either of these pills. The evidence does not support that there was/is large scale manufacturing or distribution of the aforementioned pills . However , there are reports of watson 853 being laced with toxic leveles of fentanyl in states like Lousisiana. There were no reports found in Minnesota or the Midwest for watson 853 pills laced with toxic fentanyl.

5. Mathematically, if Prince ingested one single pill from that batch, it is equal to a 0.92% chance of picking the correct pill that resulted in an overdose.


6. An exhaustive search was done to determine what street level pills were in active circulation at or around the time of Prince's death.

7. The "blue pill" imprinted as A-215, is basically roxycodone ( a pain reliever) and is also commonly known as "roxy". This pill was found to be in mass circulation in states like Minnesota, Louisiana, Tennessee, Massachusetts, etc.


8. Here are some attached reports and examples to substantiate the search:

Nearly 500 pills believed to be laced with fentanyl found in Grand ...

TBI: Fake oxycodone pills contain potentially deadly drug

Authorities warn about increase of deadly drugs surfacing in

U.S. 'Inundated' with Fak...ws Network



These reports are corroborated with the DEA study below (See page 5-6 highlighted in yellow):


Counterfeit Prescription ...bal Threat


9. In 2016, there were 376 total opioid deaths in Minnesota.

10. IN 2016, there were 186 overdose deaths that involved prescription opioids

11. In 2016, there were 142 overdose deaths that involved heroin.

12. None of these deaths were attributed to watson 853/a-349 found at Paisley Park, whether prescribed or illicit narcotics.




Minnesota Opioid Death Reporting

There were threads that were closed that contained information as to how and why the ME would report a death as accidental ,murder, suicide, undetermined, or homicide. I think we have a good handle on it, but there is additional information that has to to be attached to our findings as it relates directly to opiate overdose and cause of death.

What I have found is that all parties who engaged in the highly debated subject matter ,were technically right, albeit missing some valuable information specifially related to opioid death reporting. Nevertheless, an "org." kumbayah moment. I picked out some of the more pertinent parts but the link is there to see at the bottom.

Opioid Overdose Death: Death Reporting

The manner of death, based on the investigation of the circumstances by a coroner or state medical examiner, is determined to be:

  • natural,
  • accidental/unintentional,
  • suicide,
  • homicide, or
  • undetermined.

Circumstances included in the cause of death investigation are:

  • scene findings,
  • autopsy results,
  • toxicology reports, and
  • health history.

In an opioid overdose death, scene findings may include:

  • frothy ‘foam cone’ from the mouth,
  • intact pills in the stomach,
  • needles present at the scene,
  • prescription history,
  • pill counts,
  • needle track marks, or
  • prescription pills at the scene.


Opioid death resulting from prescription



Opioid overdose death resulting from a prescription opioid is usually classified as an accidental or undetermined death. Often there is an assumption that when the death involves prescription medications prescribed to the person who died, that this person was using the prescription medications appropriately, as prescribed, and without risk for overdose. With prescription pain pills, it is difficult to determine if the pills were used as prescribed by the decedent, obtained from family or friends for a pain-related reason, or bought with an intent to get high. If a person dies of a natural cause, for example a heart attack or infectious disease, that death would be categorized as natural, even if prescription opioids are found at the scene or prescribed in the patient’s history. This may contribute to an under-reporting of opioid-related deaths.




Challenging consderations for medical examiners and coroners.


One of the most challenging ethical considerations for medical examiners and coroners is their role in determining intent, or attempting to figure out what a person was trying or not trying to do before they died. There is a substantial amount of variability among medical examiners’ and coroners’ approach to a death investigation. For example, while one medical examiner might determine an overdose death to be an accidental poisoning, another medical examiner would say that it is undetermined because there was no witness, and no way to rule out that it was suicide or homicide. Opioid overdose deaths are most commonly found to be an accidental/unintentional death. Accidental death is operationally defined to be totally unforeseen and unexpected. Some medical examiners or coroners, however, may say that that if heroin was injected in a body, that a resulting death cannot be understood as totally unforeseen and unexpected, therefore, this heroin death may be determined to be a suicide or undetermined. In order for a death to be classified as a suicide, there must be evidence of the intent to die, such as a suicide note found at the scene.


Determining burden of proof

To determine burden of proof, the general guidelines in coroner and state medical examiner’s training state there needs to be:

  • 50% reasonable probability for natural deaths,
  • 70% preponderance of evidence for accidental deaths,
  • 90% clear and convincing evidence for suicide deaths,
  • more than 90% beyond a reasonable doubt for homicide deaths, and
  • 100% beyond a doubt for any cause of death.

  • Some medical examiners would require “beyond a reasonable doubt” or more than 90% certainty in order to determine the burden of proof for a suicide. The amount, detail, and reliability of evidence is limited, sometimes difficult to obtain, and often incomplete.

    Toxicology results are very useful in determining the drug type(s) and dosage; however, they do not measure anything about the user’s tolerance. It is common for findings to be ambiguous in opioid overdose death investigations. For example, the person may have had a history of depression, a history of chronic pain, a past non-fatal overdose with unclear intent, ambiguous residual pill counts, and/or the toxicology results are very high for opioids, but ambiguous for intent.

    All of these factors make interpreting toxicology results and death investigations complex, and subsequently difficult to determine the cause of death with a high degree of certainty.

Although I am not finished with the facts of the warrants, I am finding it increasingly difficult to connect Prince to a drug addict who just wanted to score drugs to get high. The evidence so far, does not support that. This theory is based solely on the basis of the type of pills that were found at his house, coupled with the environmental changes that were taking place nationally and regionally in reference to overdoses.

In addition, it is equally difficult to circumvent the idea that Prince may have had an additional substance at Paisley Park that was not revealed or not found at the time of the search, as in the use of a co-intoxicant that would produce the overdose. IE: fentanyl.

I will follow up with some additional information.


For your records:


Opioid Dashboard


[Edited 11/4/17 19:38pm]

[Edited 11/4/17 20:06pm]

Reply #138 posted 11/04/17 7:30pm

OzlemUcucu

xxx

[Edited 11/4/17 19:36pm]

Prince I will always miss and love U.
Reply #139 posted 11/04/17 9:34pm

206Michelle

Menes said:

TypoQueen said:

Menes said: Years back Counterfeit drugs got into the NHS chain in UK. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news...h-16760513 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h...865569.stm

Well, I didn't find any alarming or compelling reports to support that in the U.S., (specifically the Midwest) there was/is a groundswell of "watson 853" counterfeit pills laced with toxic levels of Fentanyl that were/is the cause of mass overdose.

However , there was/is a marked increase in the Midwest in heroin overdsoes that were laced with toxic levels of fentanyl.

Those pills were/are imprinted differently and are still in heavy rotation from regiom to region.

I found one news source in Louisiana (Natchitoches Parish) where the article talks about "numerous" watson 853 pills that contained toxic levels of fentanyl and Alprozalam ( generic Xanax).

Another pill (dubbed the "superpill"), has the imprint,"xanax" and not watson 853.The Midwest was inundated with this pill and was/is the cause of a tremendous amout of overdoses from 2012-present. There are different street names for it from region to region.

Oxycodone copycat pills (laced with toxic doses of fentanyl and imprinted as A215 and not watson 853), is the counterfeit pill that inundated the Midwest and caused tremendous spikes in deaths nation wide from 2012-present. These have been dubbed "roxi" pills but may have different street name from region to region.

It is becoming increasingly difficult to find any conclusive evidence, that pills, namely watson 853, was/is laced with toxic levels of fentanyl and was/is mass distributed nationally, or more precisely ,the Midwest (Minnesota).


* As an aside, we can trace the bulk of pills coming to the Midwest from specific regions and cartels in Mexico . With the correct search , you can find who makes what pill, cotents of the pill, distirbution routes , etc.

Borderland Beat

The million-dollar question is, what was the source of the Fentanyl that killed Prince?

Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
Reply #140 posted 11/04/17 11:19pm

Asenath0607

ThatWhiteDude said:

Menes said:

June 1st, 2016 Search warrant filed and issued. Some information may overlap with previous posts. This is in relation to additonal Cellular tower Dumps for Sprint.

a. The Affiant , detective, Tyles Stahn received information from interviews that Prince's assistant had arranged between Prince and medical professionals to assess Prince's medical concerns. One of those professionals was Andrew Kornfeld. Kornfeld was at Prince's residence when Prince was found deceased.

b. Kornfeld was found to be in possession of several controlled substances that he did not have a prescription for.

c. During the course of the investigation , investigators learned that Prince had not been heard or seen from since 4-20-2016 around 2000 hours. The Affiant is aware that there is no security or video surveillance and that Prince lived by himself.

d. The investigation reveals that interviews of those who were there when Prince was found that morning, are inconsistent and contradictory at times.

e. The Affiant is aware that friends of Prince who were there were receiving and making phone calls/ text messages on the morning his body was found.

2000 hours? eek

2000 hours means 8:00 p.m.

Reply #141 posted 11/04/17 11:31pm

Asenath0607

Tresha68 said:

In my heart I think P had cancer. Photos of the last four years of him in succession is all I need to see.

have you given any thought to why people (i.e. his family, close associates) would rather the cause of death be linked to a drug problem than cancer?

Reply #142 posted 11/04/17 11:40pm

Asenath0607

laurarichardson said:

Strawberrylova123 said:
What i don't understand is if she knew he was going to die within 3 years why did she let him die alone in a elevator [Edited 11/2/17 18:10pm]
Because he wanted to be alone. He sent everyone away and he turned off those cameras. He did just what he wanted to do and do not assume that anything could be done.

So your hypothesis is that not only knew that the pill which was labeled hydrocodone was in fact not hydrocodone and that he also knew it was laced with enough fentanyl to take his own life?

Reply #143 posted 11/05/17 2:50am

Lovejunky

Dibblekins said:

Twenty hundred hours (20.00) = 8pm.

I was given Odansetron for hyper-emesis gravidarum (non-stop pregnancy sickness) - so it isn't 'just' for cancer patients, although it is frequently prescribed as such.

Im willing to bet my life that Prince wasnt pregnant

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #144 posted 11/05/17 4:28am

laurarichardson

Asenath0607 said:

 



laurarichardson said:


Strawberrylova123 said:
What i don't understand is if she knew he was going to die within 3 years why did she let him die alone in a elevator [Edited 11/2/17 18:10pm]

Because he wanted to be alone. He sent everyone away and he turned off those cameras. He did just what he wanted to do and do not assume that anything could be done.

So your hypothesis is that not only knew that the pill which was labeled  hydrocodone was in fact not hydrocodone and that he also knew it was laced with enough fentanyl to take his own life?


—He had legit hydro pills from Dr. S. Why take the bootleg? Why give everyone the night off and turn off the cameras? Roughly the same concoction that killed him used as the death penalty drug in Nevada. Giving away high sums of money, making a amends to people, doing a tour where he talks about the past, and never being so high that it effective his work habits.
Reply #145 posted 11/05/17 7:16am

laurarichardson

Menes said:

 



laurarichardson said:


Menes said:

 


In continuation of the pills that were found at Paisley Park and taken into custody:

"One (1) orange pill with the inscription #8".

1.This pill appears to be buprenorphine ( a scheduled III substance). It is pirmarily used to treat withdrawals from opiod addiction, but is also used to reduce pain and produce feelings of well being as it binds with the opioid receptors.

2. The brand name for buprenorphine is Subutex.

3. Suboxone is the commercial name for Buprenorphine when combined with Naloxone.

4. Andrew Kornfeld brought Buprenorphine with him for his scheduled visit with Prince on 4-20-16.

Though procured illegally, I think we can ascertain that on its own , or in interaction with the other substances, it is unlikely that this produced lethal toxicity. 


Short Summary



So far, we have what appeaear to be the following: A substantial need to increas Vitamain D intake: Which may be the result of a host of issues , to include, but not limited to; dietary inadequacy, impaired absorption and use, increased requirement,  limited sun light exposure, kidneys that cannot convert it , digestive tract is inadequate ,and the all of the other things that many of you (LR, Stlmuziqlvr,Dibblekins, Penny) mentioned previously.

I wanted to add that there is precedent and correlation for us to assume that inadequate Vitamin D levels is linked to the amount of narcotic medication for those with chronic pain who are ingesting opioids as they are seeking relief from certain cancer types.

* For your records.

Low Vitamin D Levels Are Associated with Higher Opioid Dose in ...



Buprenorphine: A New Treatment Option for Opioid Addiction

Buprenorphine Safety, Adverse Reactions, and Drug Interactions  




 


 











 



—The is interesting as this means he had the Suboxne already before Andrew came and I wondered on this board why he did not just get some to ween himself off which I now think he was trying to do. Perhaps withdrawing on an outpatient basis while dealing with other issues. It is the only thing that explains how he was able to get around. [Edited 11/3/17 16:43pm]

Let's keep in mind that even with the ondanestron, there was no prescription for it. Let's think about that for a second. Zofran is not in the least bit a popular drug on the street that dealers are distributing. If you don't have a prescription for that, you either have access to a pill mill (domestic or foreign), or, have someone on the inside to get it for you ( as in a doctor or pharmacist).

A lot of these drugs may not have been bought from "off the street". Just look at the way that bottle ended up in Kirk's name yet , with no prescription. It is as if someone intentionally orchestrated that. 


No, the anti nausea drug was written for him by Dr.S Under Kirk’s name to protect Prince’s privacy. Dr.S admitted he wrote 3 Rxs for Prince under an assumed name to protect his privacy and I am certain Prince was probably having this done the whole of his life.
Reply #146 posted 11/05/17 7:19am

laurarichardson

206Michelle said:

Menes said:

Just wanted to say that I took away for these reports (coupled wth some other reports that I have)  a strong sense of pain that was undeniable, and in no uncertaing terms , pointing to the end of the road.

The "don't ask, dont tell" choir is quite apparent and is indicative of the type of person he was.

There is one central figure in this story (besides Prince)whom the investigators certainly focused on very early on.

I do not believe that the amount of pills found are an indication of relief for merely "hip pain"  or, that they soley represent addiction . Rather, that there was a more serious underlying illness, coupled with other ailments that compounded the problem of addiction. This cascading narrative inevitably was going to lead to a full disclosure of everything that was once guarded and impenetrable. 

Accidental or not, I don't think he was in a very good space regardless of what he had planned for the future and he knew that.


For your records:


 In Re: The Investigation into the Death of Prince Rogers Nelson



Memes, I think you have made a very fair, reasonable assessment here, and I very much agree with it.
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It is so sad that Prince was unwilling to seek treatment in a timely manner. I think his pride may have got the best of him in this situation (referring to the health issues and/or painkiller abuse).

No point in seeking help if you have a terminal illness.
Reply #147 posted 11/05/17 7:23am

laurarichardson

Asenath0607 said:

 



Tresha68 said:


In my heart I think P had cancer. Photos of the last four years of him in succession is all I need to see.

 


have you given any thought to why people (i.e. his family, close associates) would rather the cause of death be linked to a drug problem than cancer?  


Because he was a private person and they are respecting that. He also probably told very few people what was going at the time and he may have left instructions to keep the info quiet until a certain time. I do not think he planned to have an overdose on the plane and if he had not had it none of this speculation would have started in the first place.
Reply #148 posted 11/05/17 7:28am

purplerabbithole

Everytime people question the idea that P's family would want to hide a diease, my mind drifts not to cancer, but to AIDS. I still wonder to this day what celebrity that blind item was about.

It could also be they don't want folks to know that the drug addiction was long enough to cause liver problems.

Or it could be that P was a sufferer of pain and drug dependency.

Asenath0607 said:

Tresha68 said:

In my heart I think P had cancer. Photos of the last four years of him in succession is all I need to see.

have you given any thought to why people (i.e. his family, close associates) would rather the cause of death be linked to a drug problem than cancer?

Reply #149 posted 11/05/17 7:35am

Bodhitheblackdog

purplerabbithole said:

Everytime people question the idea that P's family would want to hide a diease, my mind drifts not to cancer, but to AIDS. I still wonder to this day what celebrity that blind item was about.

It could also be they don't want folks to know that the drug addiction was long enough to cause liver problems.

Or it could be that P was a sufferer of pain and drug dependency.

Asenath0607 said:

have you given any thought to why people (i.e. his family, close associates) would rather the cause of death be linked to a drug problem than cancer?

This is such a tangled web we may never get closure.

Reply #150 posted 11/05/17 7:51am

DD55

purplerabbithole said:

Everytime people question the idea that P's family would want to hide a diease, my mind drifts not to cancer, but to AIDS. I still wonder to this day what celebrity that blind item was about.

It could also be they don't want folks to know that the drug addiction was long enough to cause liver problems.

Or it could be that P was a sufferer of pain and drug dependency.

Asenath0607 said:

have you given any thought to why people (i.e. his family, close associates) would rather the cause of death be linked to a drug problem than cancer?

Purple.....

Do you notice that every time anyone speculates as you have done here, very shortly after someone comes out of the woodwork and blasts the person to either put a stop to the conversation or creates havoc so the thread gets locked.

.

I’m convinced there are people out there who are watching & monitoring (apart from real mods) threads at the ready to stop conversations. Have you’all noticed that pattern here? Makes you wonder … is the conversation being directed deliberately?

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Sorry for the conspiracy theory... we have enough of them already, lol, DD55

Reply #151 posted 11/05/17 8:11am

Bodhitheblackdog

DD55 said:

purplerabbithole said:

Everytime people question the idea that P's family would want to hide a diease, my mind drifts not to cancer, but to AIDS. I still wonder to this day what celebrity that blind item was about.

It could also be they don't want folks to know that the drug addiction was long enough to cause liver problems.

Or it could be that P was a sufferer of pain and drug dependency.

Purple.....

Do you notice that every time anyone speculates as you have done here, very shortly after someone comes out of the woodwork and blasts the person to either put a stop to the conversation or creates havoc so the thread gets locked.

.

I’m convinced there are people out there who are watching & monitoring (apart from real mods) threads at the ready to stop conversations. Have you’all noticed that pattern here? Makes you wonder … is the conversation being directed deliberately?

.

Sorry for the conspiracy theory... we have enough of them already, lol, DD55

yes I agree totally...the attacks on this particular discussion are particularly virulent and defy statistical probability.

Reply #152 posted 11/05/17 11:11am

mikeyaddict

Menes thank you for sharing all your hard work and summarising for us, I find this really useful. Your approach and possible suggestions are also really insightful. There are many possibilities as to what happened but I feel the truth is somewhere in what you have speculated. Either way, a tragic end then any life regardless of who it may be - we’re all lucky to be here and I thank God for my health, life and family.
Comin str8 outta Preston...
Reply #153 posted 11/05/17 11:16am

Mumio

DD55 said:

purplerabbithole said:

Everytime people question the idea that P's family would want to hide a diease, my mind drifts not to cancer, but to AIDS. I still wonder to this day what celebrity that blind item was about.

It could also be they don't want folks to know that the drug addiction was long enough to cause liver problems.

Or it could be that P was a sufferer of pain and drug dependency.

Purple.....

Do you notice that every time anyone speculates as you have done here, very shortly after someone comes out of the woodwork and blasts the person to either put a stop to the conversation or creates havoc so the thread gets locked.

.

I’m convinced there are people out there who are watching & monitoring (apart from real mods) threads at the ready to stop conversations. Have you’all noticed that pattern here? Makes you wonder … is the conversation being directed deliberately?

.

Sorry for the conspiracy theory... we have enough of them already, lol, DD55



nod

However, there are some people who are here to do nothing but cause trouble too and trolls who have their own agenda.




[Edited 11/5/17 11:18am]

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
Reply #154 posted 11/05/17 11:17am

Menes

206Michelle said:

Menes said:

Well, I didn't find any alarming or compelling reports to support that in the U.S., (specifically the Midwest) there was/is a groundswell of "watson 853" counterfeit pills laced with toxic levels of Fentanyl that were/is the cause of mass overdose.

However , there was/is a marked increase in the Midwest in heroin overdsoes that were laced with toxic levels of fentanyl.

Those pills were/are imprinted differently and are still in heavy rotation from regiom to region.

I found one news source in Louisiana (Natchitoches Parish) where the article talks about "numerous" watson 853 pills that contained toxic levels of fentanyl and Alprozalam ( generic Xanax).

Another pill (dubbed the "superpill"), has the imprint,"xanax" and not watson 853.The Midwest was inundated with this pill and was/is the cause of a tremendous amout of overdoses from 2012-present. There are different street names for it from region to region.

Oxycodone copycat pills (laced with toxic doses of fentanyl and imprinted as A215 and not watson 853), is the counterfeit pill that inundated the Midwest and caused tremendous spikes in deaths nation wide from 2012-present. These have been dubbed "roxi" pills but may have different street name from region to region.

It is becoming increasingly difficult to find any conclusive evidence, that pills, namely watson 853, was/is laced with toxic levels of fentanyl and was/is mass distributed nationally, or more precisely ,the Midwest (Minnesota).


* As an aside, we can trace the bulk of pills coming to the Midwest from specific regions and cartels in Mexico . With the correct search , you can find who makes what pill, cotents of the pill, distirbution routes , etc.

Borderland Beat

The million-dollar question is, what was the source of the Fentanyl that killed Prince?

Yes, that is the burning question.

It would be easy to wrap this up and say that fentanyl was in one of the pills that he ingested .Namely watson 853 or A-349 . However, the evidence does not support that either of these pills were generally seen to involve fentanyl related deaths.

That would mean that Prince really was very unique in getting one of these pills that were tainted as opposed to every other person who may have been using the same pills but did not overdose.

This is the problem with the non public data sheet that was released to the public. It is incomplete and we have all discussed this.

The public data sheet list cause of death as "fentanyl toxicity". But how factual and complete is that? If we look at the warrant , we can account for all of the narcotics that were taken from Paisley Park. There is no "fentanyl" or any imprint of Subsys, illicit or prescribed there. Furthermore, in the case of fentanyl toxicity, there are usually other drugs involved which she probably has in her toxicology report. I think we can assume that he had other drugs in his system.

Ingesting narcotics that may be tainted with toxic levels of fentanyl is usually deifined as combined drug toxification when death is the result. Hence, the mixing of the heroin and fentanyl that have produced a tremendous amount of overdoses.


If there are no fentanyl related deaths reported in watson 853/A349, we find ourselves in an interesting dilemma. Even if we assume that other things are listed on the actual autopsy/toxicology report, we would have to assume that Prince was the only person in Minnesota that got that deadly batch. There are no other reports of death from watson 853/a349 laced with fentanyl. Maybe there are and I just can't find it . I just dont understand why it is so easy to find all of the other pills with imprints that caused overdoses, but not these two in mass . If it's out there and not being reported, that seems to be dereliction of duty for not reporting a substance/narcotic that is causing death. I don't think the evidence exist to support fentanyl related deaths with these two pills.



So either there is some other combined drug toxification not mentioned, or, it was the easiest thing to conclude.

[Edited 11/5/17 11:18am]

Reply #155 posted 11/05/17 11:59am

laurarichardson

Menes said:

 



206Michelle said:


 



Menes said:


 


Well, I didn't find any alarming or compelling reports  to support that in the U.S., (specifically the Midwest) there was/is a groundswell of "watson 853"  counterfeit pills laced with toxic levels of Fentanyl that were/is the cause of mass overdose. 

However , there was/is a marked increase in the Midwest in heroin overdsoes that were laced with toxic levels of fentanyl. 

Those pills were/are imprinted differently and are still in heavy rotation from regiom to region.

I found one news source in Louisiana (Natchitoches Parish) where the article talks about "numerous" watson 853 pills that contained toxic levels of fentanyl and Alprozalam ( generic Xanax).

Another pill (dubbed the "superpill"), has the imprint,"xanax" and not watson 853.The Midwest was inundated with this pill and was/is the cause of a tremendous amout of overdoses from 2012-present. There are different street names for it from region to region.

Oxycodone copycat pills (laced with toxic doses of fentanyl and imprinted as A215 and not watson 853), is the counterfeit pill that inundated the Midwest and caused tremendous spikes in deaths nation wide from 2012-present. These have been dubbed "roxi" pills  but may have different street name from region to region.

It is becoming increasingly difficult to find any conclusive evidence, that pills, namely watson 853, was/is laced with toxic levels of fentanyl and was/is mass distributed nationally, or more precisely ,the Midwest (Minnesota). 


* As an aside, we can trace the bulk of pills coming to the Midwest from specific regions and cartels in Mexico . With the correct search , you can find who makes what pill, cotents of the pill,  distirbution routes , etc.

 Borderland Beat


 



The million-dollar question is, what was the source of the Fentanyl that killed Prince?



Yes, that is the burning question. 

It would be easy to wrap this up and say that fentanyl was in one of the pills that he ingested .Namely watson 853 or A-349 . However, the evidence does not support that either of these pills were generally seen to involve fentanyl related deaths. 

That would mean that Prince really was very unique in getting one of these pills that were tainted as opposed to every other person who may have been using the same pills but did not overdose. 

This is the problem with the non public data sheet that was released to the public. It is incomplete and we have all discussed this.


 


The public data sheet list cause of death as "fentanyl toxicity". But how factual and complete is that? If we look at the warrant , we can account for all of the narcotics that were taken from Paisley Park. There is no "fentanyl" or any imprint of Subsys, illicit or prescribed there. Furthermore, in the case of fentanyl toxicity, there are usually other drugs involved which she probably has in her toxicology report. I think we can assume that he had other drugs in his system.

Ingesting narcotics that may be tainted with toxic levels of fentanyl is usually deifined as combined drug toxification when death is the result. Hence, the mixing of the heroin and fentanyl that have produced a tremendous amount of overdoses.


If there are no fentanyl related deaths reported in watson 853/A349,  we find ourselves in an interesting dilemma.  Even if we assume that other things are listed on the actual autopsy/toxicology report, we would have to assume that Prince was the only person in Minnesota that got that deadly batch. There are no other reports of death from watson 853/a349 laced with fentanyl. Maybe there are and I just can't find it . I just dont understand why it is so easy to find all of the other pills with imprints that caused overdoses, but not these two in mass . If it's out there and not being reported, that seems to be dereliction of duty for not reporting a substance/narcotic that is causing death. I don't think the evidence exist to support fentanyl related deaths with these two pills.



So either there is some other combined drug toxification not mentioned, or, it was the easiest thing to conclude. 

[Edited 11/5/17 11:18am]


At the time I think it was the easiest thing to conclude. Now a year and half out What are the chances that he had the only toxic pull in Minnesota?
Reply #156 posted 11/05/17 12:01pm

laurarichardson

Mumio said:

 



DD55 said:


 



purplerabbithole said:


Everytime people question the idea that P's family would want to hide a diease, my mind drifts not to cancer, but to AIDS.  I still wonder to this day what celebrity that blind item was about.


 


It could also be they don't want folks to know that the drug addiction was long enough to cause liver problems.


 


Or it could be that P was a sufferer of pain and drug dependency. 


 



Purple.....


Do you notice that every time anyone speculates as you have done here, very shortly after someone comes out of the woodwork and blasts the person to either put a stop to the conversation or creates havoc so the thread gets locked. 


.


I’m convinced there are people out there who are watching  & monitoring (apart from real mods) threads at the ready to stop conversations.  Have you’all noticed that pattern here?  Makes you wonder … is the conversation being directed deliberately?     


.


Sorry for the conspiracy theory... we have enough of them already, lol, DD55


 





nod

However, there are some people who are here to do nothing but cause trouble too and trolls who have their own agenda.




[Edited 11/5/17 11:18am]


Yes, the agenda is to stop anyone from questioning the narrative that was done. from day one. We have even had a minion of LM on the board. Pushing an agenda.
Reply #157 posted 11/05/17 12:34pm

Bodhitheblackdog

Maybe he obtained one or two of these fatal pills to be purposely used in the event that he wanted them to be the last pills he ever took...and there were none like them left behind for evidence or analysis.

Reply #158 posted 11/05/17 1:32pm

Menes

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Maybe he obtained one or two of these fatal pills to be purposely used in the event that he wanted them to be the last pills he ever took...and there were none like them left behind for evidence or analysis.

Ah.


1. If there is fentanyl toxicity present and you have no prescription, they are usually in mixed drug combination form.

2. The combination is usually heroin and fentanyl , or fentanyl and other Benzos. It may be sold as a singular substance but the majority of reports I have read is in combination form.


3. Watson 853 /a349 are not pills that are generally known on the street , nor are they pills that are usually combined with toxic doses of fentanyl for resale amongst street distributors. There was an occurence( pills found with watson 853 written on it that may have contained fentanyl) in states like Louisiana, but they are not generally accepted as the go to pills for producing a maximum high / profit.

Based upon the previous (3) points, whatever was ingested, and contained fentanyl, seems to have not been found during the search and seizure of the property @ Paisley Park as it was already ingested. Unless it was one of the watson 853/a349 pills that were found in abundance, I believe that something else was taken that was not part of the regimen. I could be wrong, but I just dont see the 853/349 being the "kill pills" .

What would be an interesting discussion is if we believe that this was the same pill he took on the plane. I do recall in the warrant that someone said that he was dealing with withdrawals from opiate addiction. I dont know if they meant prior to the plane ride or after?

Even if he we conclude that watson 853 /a349 was the "kill pills" , and that it was in Prince's possession all along, we are going to have to reconcile that with him having knowledge that after the incident on the place, that there is a very high probablity that there are more "kill pills" in that same batch.



I would therefore agree with you that whatever was obtained and ingested is unlikely to be the same pill as watson 853/a-349.

Reply #159 posted 11/05/17 1:33pm

Menes

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

Yes, that is the burning question.

It would be easy to wrap this up and say that fentanyl was in one of the pills that he ingested .Namely watson 853 or A-349 . However, the evidence does not support that either of these pills were generally seen to involve fentanyl related deaths.

That would mean that Prince really was very unique in getting one of these pills that were tainted as opposed to every other person who may have been using the same pills but did not overdose.

This is the problem with the non public data sheet that was released to the public. It is incomplete and we have all discussed this.

The public data sheet list cause of death as "fentanyl toxicity". But how factual and complete is that? If we look at the warrant , we can account for all of the narcotics that were taken from Paisley Park. There is no "fentanyl" or any imprint of Subsys, illicit or prescribed there. Furthermore, in the case of fentanyl toxicity, there are usually other drugs involved which she probably has in her toxicology report. I think we can assume that he had other drugs in his system.

Ingesting narcotics that may be tainted with toxic levels of fentanyl is usually deifined as combined drug toxification when death is the result. Hence, the mixing of the heroin and fentanyl that have produced a tremendous amount of overdoses.


If there are no fentanyl related deaths reported in watson 853/A349, we find ourselves in an interesting dilemma. Even if we assume that other things are listed on the actual autopsy/toxicology report, we would have to assume that Prince was the only person in Minnesota that got that deadly batch. There are no other reports of death from watson 853/a349 laced with fentanyl. Maybe there are and I just can't find it . I just dont understand why it is so easy to find all of the other pills with imprints that caused overdoses, but not these two in mass . If it's out there and not being reported, that seems to be dereliction of duty for not reporting a substance/narcotic that is causing death. I don't think the evidence exist to support fentanyl related deaths with these two pills.



So either there is some other combined drug toxification not mentioned, or, it was the easiest thing to conclude.

[Edited 11/5/17 11:18am]

At the time I think it was the easiest thing to conclude. Now a year and half out What are the chances that he had the only toxic pull in Minnesota?

There have been (0) reports of a "kill pill" resembling watson 853/a349 since the death of Prince in 2016. That narcotic would've been in high demand.

Reply #160 posted 11/05/17 1:50pm

Bodhitheblackdog

Menes said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Maybe he obtained one or two of these fatal pills to be purposely used in the event that he wanted them to be the last pills he ever took...and there were none like them left behind for evidence or analysis.

Ah.


1. If there is fentanyl toxicity present and you have no prescription, they are usually in mixed drug combination form.

2. The combination is usually heroin and fentanyl , or fentanyl and other Benzos. It may be sold as a singular substance but the majority of reports I have read is in combination form.


3. Watson 853 /a349 are not pills that are generally known on the street , nor are they pills that are usually combined with toxic doses of fentanyl for resale amongst street distributors. There was an occurence( pills found with watson 853 written on it that may have contained fentanyl) in states like Louisiana, but they are not generally accepted as the go to pills for producing a maximum high / profit.

Based upon the previous (3) points, whatever was ingested, and contained fentanyl, seems to have not been found during the search and seizure of the property @ Paisley Park as it was already ingested. Unless it was one of the watson 853/a349 pills that were found in abundance, I believe that something else was taken that was not part of the regimen. I could be wrong, but I just dont see the 853/349 being the "kill pills" .

What would be an interesting discussion is if we believe that this was the same pill he took on the plane. I do recall in the warrant that someone said that he was dealing with withdrawals from opiate addiction. I dont know if they meant prior to the plane ride or after?

Even if he we conclude that watson 853 /a349 was the "kill pills" , and that it was in Prince's possession all along, we are going to have to reconcile that with him having knowledge that after the incident on the place, that there is a very high probablity that there are more "kill pills" in that same batch.



I would therefore agree with you that whatever was obtained and ingested is unlikely to be the same pill as watson 853/a-349.

The drama of going out in an airplane after a concert rings true; But I can't see him wanting Judith to be a witness. I think dehydration and his on-going weight loss made a 'miscalculation' possible. But I also believe the aftermath (the save shots, headlines, hospital visit) made him determined that he would never allow himself to be revived again. Hence, recourse to his ultimate stash.

Reply #161 posted 11/05/17 2:40pm

Menes

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

Ah.


1. If there is fentanyl toxicity present and you have no prescription, they are usually in mixed drug combination form.

2. The combination is usually heroin and fentanyl , or fentanyl and other Benzos. It may be sold as a singular substance but the majority of reports I have read is in combination form.


3. Watson 853 /a349 are not pills that are generally known on the street , nor are they pills that are usually combined with toxic doses of fentanyl for resale amongst street distributors. There was an occurence( pills found with watson 853 written on it that may have contained fentanyl) in states like Louisiana, but they are not generally accepted as the go to pills for producing a maximum high / profit.

Based upon the previous (3) points, whatever was ingested, and contained fentanyl, seems to have not been found during the search and seizure of the property @ Paisley Park as it was already ingested. Unless it was one of the watson 853/a349 pills that were found in abundance, I believe that something else was taken that was not part of the regimen. I could be wrong, but I just dont see the 853/349 being the "kill pills" .

What would be an interesting discussion is if we believe that this was the same pill he took on the plane. I do recall in the warrant that someone said that he was dealing with withdrawals from opiate addiction. I dont know if they meant prior to the plane ride or after?

Even if he we conclude that watson 853 /a349 was the "kill pills" , and that it was in Prince's possession all along, we are going to have to reconcile that with him having knowledge that after the incident on the place, that there is a very high probablity that there are more "kill pills" in that same batch.



I would therefore agree with you that whatever was obtained and ingested is unlikely to be the same pill as watson 853/a-349.

The drama of going out in an airplane after a concert rings true; But I can't see him wanting Judith to be a witness. I think dehydration and his on-going weight loss made a 'miscalculation' possible. But I also believe the aftermath (the save shots, headlines, hospital visit) made him determined that he would never allow himself to be revived again. Hence, recourse to his ultimate stash.

Ok. Let's adovcate for both competing narratives.

If the idea is that a "miscalculation " is possible, that would mean that a 'miscalculation' is possible for the second event. There are specific events that would support the narrative that there was a high probability that an accidental 'miscalculation' may have taken place and that there was a will to live. For instance:

1. Getting more prescriptions.

2. Doing blood analyis and waiting for results.

3. Planning more shows.

4. These are just a few , but they represent a will to live.

On the other hand, if the 'miscalculation' was determined to be damaging and that the aftermath was going to be unbearable there are examples to support why there would be no wiill to live.

1. Statements made by him pursuant to the plane incident.

2. Thwarted belongingness and perceived burdensomeness.

3. Repeating the same behavior that produced the initial event after having knowledge of the outcome of said event.

4. Wanting to be alone on the very evening of the second event.



Reply #162 posted 11/05/17 2:42pm

laurarichardson

Menes said:

 



laurarichardson said:


Menes said:

 


Yes, that is the burning question. 

It would be easy to wrap this up and say that fentanyl was in one of the pills that he ingested .Namely watson 853 or A-349 . However, the evidence does not support that either of these pills were generally seen to involve fentanyl related deaths. 

That would mean that Prince really was very unique in getting one of these pills that were tainted as opposed to every other person who may have been using the same pills but did not overdose. 

This is the problem with the non public data sheet that was released to the public. It is incomplete and we have all discussed this.


 


The public data sheet list cause of death as "fentanyl toxicity". But how factual and complete is that? If we look at the warrant , we can account for all of the narcotics that were taken from Paisley Park. There is no "fentanyl" or any imprint of Subsys, illicit or prescribed there. Furthermore, in the case of fentanyl toxicity, there are usually other drugs involved which she probably has in her toxicology report. I think we can assume that he had other drugs in his system.

Ingesting narcotics that may be tainted with toxic levels of fentanyl is usually deifined as combined drug toxification when death is the result. Hence, the mixing of the heroin and fentanyl that have produced a tremendous amount of overdoses.


If there are no fentanyl related deaths reported in watson 853/A349,  we find ourselves in an interesting dilemma.  Even if we assume that other things are listed on the actual autopsy/toxicology report, we would have to assume that Prince was the only person in Minnesota that got that deadly batch. There are no other reports of death from watson 853/a349 laced with fentanyl. Maybe there are and I just can't find it . I just dont understand why it is so easy to find all of the other pills with imprints that caused overdoses, but not these two in mass . If it's out there and not being reported, that seems to be dereliction of duty for not reporting a substance/narcotic that is causing death. I don't think the evidence exist to support fentanyl related deaths with these two pills.



So either there is some other combined drug toxification not mentioned, or, it was the easiest thing to conclude. 


[Edited 11/5/17 11:18am]



At the time I think it was the easiest thing to conclude. Now a year and half out What are the chances that he had the only toxic pull in Minnesota?

There have been (0) reports of a "kill pill" resembling watson 853/a349 since the death of Prince in 2016. That narcotic would've been in high demand. 


Exactly, dope fiends would be feening for those pills and dealers would be selling them. I think this was a special batch for Prince.
Reply #163 posted 11/05/17 3:14pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

laurarichardson said:

Exactly, dope fiends would be feening for those pills and dealers would be selling them. I think this was a special batch for Prince.

nod

Reply #164 posted 11/05/17 3:28pm

morningsong

Menes said:

Menes said:

In continuation of the pills that were found at Paisley Park and taken into custody:

CVS Pharmacy bottle containing Ondansetron HCL 8 mg.

1. Ondansetron is primaily used to prevent nausea and vomiting that is caused by cancer medicines (chemotherapy or radiation therapy). The brand name for this drug is Zofran. This drug should define the condition or state of the user more than any other drug that was taken from Paisley Park.


2. It works by blocking the action of serotonin, the signal on the brain that causes nausea and vomiting. There were many posters in numerous org. threads ( to include this one) who had already stated these findings. I have not found any other compelling reason for the use of this drug other than that which is clearly stated above. This is to include HIV and AIDS.

3. This drug can produce a variety of serious side effects to include , but not limited to; itching, rash, nervousness, anxiety, irregular heartbeats, etc.

4. Ths may explain a lot of the other prescribed drugs that were given to Prince by Dr. Schulenberg.

5. One prescription was writtend for Kirk Johnson by Dr. Schulenberg and is shown as, Oxycodone. However, the CVS Pharmacy bottle with the Ondansetron HCL 8mg, was in Kirk Johnson's name. The Midwest Monitoring Program does not list Kirk Johnson as receiving Ondansetron via a doctor's prescription. Unless Kirk had problems with nausea and vomiting too, I think you can understand what is happening here.

5. Since I don't believe Prince had surgery as current as when the pills were found, I believe he was either self medicating without the use of chemotherapy, or , receiving chemotherapy secretly. I lean to the former.


Short Summary

So far, it seems that self adminstered mechanisms were devised in order to manage some type of pain. There is less evidence that this is primarily driven by addiction.


*For your records :

MedlinePlus Information o...rochloride

[Edited 11/3/17 16:42pm]

I may need to adjust my eyeballs because this thng I will now write, is for me, a disaster with these tabloid and news outlets.

They should all be fired!

So, I am nearing the end of my report on the drugs mentioned in all of the warrants . I am looking at these things and I am perplexed by such odd findings.

I do my searches and come up empty and can't understand why. Then it hits me. It's the wrong fucking set of numbers and descriptions that was reported on for over a year!

What is this thing you may wonder?

3-8-5. Remember that number? Watson 385.

The trusted AP, Billboard, and on and on and on we could go. 385 is the mislabeled tainted toxic pill that contained fentanyl. No, not a fentanyl pill, not another pill , but watson 3-8-5. Nope, not even the real watson 853 pill is part of the discussion/ article.



We have the warrant here. The warrant says watson 853 ! Typo you say? It gets better!

Billboard states that the "watson 385" pills were found in a Vitamin C bottle! It just keeps getting worse!

Our trusted AP( Associated Press) source corrected a "mistake they made by stating that it was U-47700 and not U-4770 that was the synthetic drugs found in some pills. The article goes on to say that "nearly two dozen pills were falsely labeled Watson 385". Then they lied and said that the Star Tribune reported the false labeling first. eek I don't think the Star Tribune article mentioned any set of numbers.

* The NY times did get it right.


Pills Found at Prince's E... Billboard




Correction: Prince Death ... - AP News


Why is that important? There has never been any conclusive evidence that fentanyl laced death pills were contained in watson 853, nor that any of the pills contained U-47700 or U4770. Not even those on the street. Google it. I'll wait. Ok, I'm done waiting.


So here we are, on this wild goose chase (or is it just me) to find this nasty fentanyl outbreak that got into the millions of counterfeit batches of Watson 385. Or is it Watson 853? Either way, it would be part of the batch that Prince would get a hold of. Yes,yes, of course.

I know getting information from the DEA is harder than prying anything from a crab's ass, but they did give us a free report. Nice dates too.

There are some more tidbits but I will give you time to read the DEA's boring report that was filed in July , 2016 . Ill give you a tidbit now.

So, remember that AP report about the correction they made from U-47700 to U-4770? How ironic is it that pills, that were blue , with the marking "A215" did contain U-47700 in March of 2016 ( see page 5).


For your records:

Counterfeit Prescription ... ... - DEA



I find it interesting about the lack of fake Watson 385 in street seizures.


Watson 853 was discontinued I believe back in 2014, so it is understandable that there would be fake ones in high demand. It's even understandable that a celebrity would have fake ones, possibly thinking they got ahold of some of the last batches of the real ones available. I can see the media even assuming that because it makes logical sense.


But the Watson 385 is still in production, it makes NO sense if those were his preferred meds for whatever reason that he couldn't get the real ones even if it was by a prescription in someone eles's name, which looks like what was happening with other controlled substances. From everything I've read it was 1 or 2 fake Watson 385 that killed him and those are the pills that were tested and were found to have excessive amounts of fentanyl in a single pill.

And not one new fact has come out since.

Reply #165 posted 11/05/17 3:36pm

Menes

morningsong said:

Menes said:

I may need to adjust my eyeballs because this thng I will now write, is for me, a disaster with these tabloid and news outlets.

They should all be fired!

So, I am nearing the end of my report on the drugs mentioned in all of the warrants . I am looking at these things and I am perplexed by such odd findings.

I do my searches and come up empty and can't understand why. Then it hits me. It's the wrong fucking set of numbers and descriptions that was reported on for over a year!

What is this thing you may wonder?

3-8-5. Remember that number? Watson 385.

The trusted AP, Billboard, and on and on and on we could go. 385 is the mislabeled tainted toxic pill that contained fentanyl. No, not a fentanyl pill, not another pill , but watson 3-8-5. Nope, not even the real watson 853 pill is part of the discussion/ article.



We have the warrant here. The warrant says watson 853 ! Typo you say? It gets better!

Billboard states that the "watson 385" pills were found in a Vitamin C bottle! It just keeps getting worse!

Our trusted AP( Associated Press) source corrected a "mistake they made by stating that it was U-47700 and not U-4770 that was the synthetic drugs found in some pills. The article goes on to say that "nearly two dozen pills were falsely labeled Watson 385". Then they lied and said that the Star Tribune reported the false labeling first. eek I don't think the Star Tribune article mentioned any set of numbers.

* The NY times did get it right.


Pills Found at Prince's E... Billboard




Correction: Prince Death ... - AP News


Why is that important? There has never been any conclusive evidence that fentanyl laced death pills were contained in watson 853, nor that any of the pills contained U-47700 or U4770. Not even those on the street. Google it. I'll wait. Ok, I'm done waiting.


So here we are, on this wild goose chase (or is it just me) to find this nasty fentanyl outbreak that got into the millions of counterfeit batches of Watson 385. Or is it Watson 853? Either way, it would be part of the batch that Prince would get a hold of. Yes,yes, of course.

I know getting information from the DEA is harder than prying anything from a crab's ass, but they did give us a free report. Nice dates too.

There are some more tidbits but I will give you time to read the DEA's boring report that was filed in July , 2016 . Ill give you a tidbit now.

So, remember that AP report about the correction they made from U-47700 to U-4770? How ironic is it that pills, that were blue , with the marking "A215" did contain U-47700 in March of 2016 ( see page 5).


For your records:

Counterfeit Prescription ... ... - DEA



I find it interesting about the lack of fake Watson 385 in street seizures.


Watson 853 was discontinued I believe back in 2014, so it is understandable that there would be fake ones in high demand. It's even understandable that a celebrity would have fake ones, possibly thinking they got ahold of some of the last batches of the real ones available. I can see the media even assuming that because it makes logical sense.


But the Watson 385 is still in production, it makes NO sense if those were his preferred meds for whatever reason that he couldn't get the real ones even if it was by a prescription in someone eles's name, which looks like what was happening with other controlled substances. From everything I've read it was 1 or 2 fake Watson 385 that killed him and those are the pills that were tested and were found to have excessive amounts of fentanyl in a single pill.

And not one new fact has come out since.

Well ,if it was watson 385 that killed him, that would be different from the pills imprinted as watson 853 that were actually found and taken into custody, according to the warrant. There were no pills imprinted as watson 385 that were found and taken into custody.

Reply #166 posted 11/05/17 3:41pm

PennyPurple

Menes said:

Well ,if it was watson 385 that killed him, that would be different from the pills imprinted as watson 853 that were actually found and taken into custody, according to the warrant. There were no pills imprinted as watson 385 that were found and taken into custody.

Right, that's what I thought too. It was the 853's that they found at PP.

Reply #167 posted 11/05/17 4:00pm

morningsong

Menes said:

morningsong said:



I find it interesting about the lack of fake Watson 385 in street seizures.


Watson 853 was discontinued I believe back in 2014, so it is understandable that there would be fake ones in high demand. It's even understandable that a celebrity would have fake ones, possibly thinking they got ahold of some of the last batches of the real ones available. I can see the media even assuming that because it makes logical sense.


But the Watson 385 is still in production, it makes NO sense if those were his preferred meds for whatever reason that he couldn't get the real ones even if it was by a prescription in someone eles's name, which looks like what was happening with other controlled substances. From everything I've read it was 1 or 2 fake Watson 385 that killed him and those are the pills that were tested and were found to have excessive amounts of fentanyl in a single pill.

And not one new fact has come out since.

Well ,if it was watson 385 that killed him, that would be different from the pills imprinted as watson 853 that were actually found and taken into custody, according to the warrant. There were no pills imprinted as watson 385 that were found and taken into custody.



One was discontinued and that's the one the media reported killed him, the other wasn't discontinued and that's the one showing up on the search warrant.

Both types were not found listed on the search warrant.

It is only through the media that we are getting that the pills were tested and how much was found in his system.

There is a disconnect, even if I'm mistakenly transposing the numbers. There still is the difference of information that's on the warrant versus what's in the media. Yet no corrections have been made.

Reply #168 posted 11/05/17 4:21pm

Morgaine

Menes said:

 



206Michelle said:


 



Menes said:


 


Well, I didn't find any alarming or compelling reports  to support that in the U.S., (specifically the Midwest) there was/is a groundswell of "watson 853"  counterfeit pills laced with toxic levels of Fentanyl that were/is the cause of mass overdose. 

However , there was/is a marked increase in the Midwest in heroin overdsoes that were laced with toxic levels of fentanyl. 

Those pills were/are imprinted differently and are still in heavy rotation from regiom to region.

I found one news source in Louisiana (Natchitoches Parish) where the article talks about "numerous" watson 853 pills that contained toxic levels of fentanyl and Alprozalam ( generic Xanax).

Another pill (dubbed the "superpill"), has the imprint,"xanax" and not watson 853.The Midwest was inundated with this pill and was/is the cause of a tremendous amout of overdoses from 2012-present. There are different street names for it from region to region.

Oxycodone copycat pills (laced with toxic doses of fentanyl and imprinted as A215 and not watson 853), is the counterfeit pill that inundated the Midwest and caused tremendous spikes in deaths nation wide from 2012-present. These have been dubbed "roxi" pills  but may have different street name from region to region.

It is becoming increasingly difficult to find any conclusive evidence, that pills, namely watson 853, was/is laced with toxic levels of fentanyl and was/is mass distributed nationally, or more precisely ,the Midwest (Minnesota). 


* As an aside, we can trace the bulk of pills coming to the Midwest from specific regions and cartels in Mexico . With the correct search , you can find who makes what pill, cotents of the pill,  distirbution routes , etc.

 Borderland Beat


 



The million-dollar question is, what was the source of the Fentanyl that killed Prince?



Yes, that is the burning question. 

It would be easy to wrap this up and say that fentanyl was in one of the pills that he ingested .Namely watson 853 or A-349 . However, the evidence does not support that either of these pills were generally seen to involve fentanyl related deaths. 

That would mean that Prince really was very unique in getting one of these pills that were tainted as opposed to every other person who may have been using the same pills but did not overdose. 

This is the problem with the non public data sheet that was released to the public. It is incomplete and we have all discussed this.


 


The public data sheet list cause of death as "fentanyl toxicity". But how factual and complete is that? If we look at the warrant , we can account for all of the narcotics that were taken from Paisley Park. There is no "fentanyl" or any imprint of Subsys, illicit or prescribed there. Furthermore, in the case of fentanyl toxicity, there are usually other drugs involved which she probably has in her toxicology report. I think we can assume that he had other drugs in his system.

Ingesting narcotics that may be tainted with toxic levels of fentanyl is usually deifined as combined drug toxification when death is the result. Hence, the mixing of the heroin and fentanyl that have produced a tremendous amount of overdoses.


If there are no fentanyl related deaths reported in watson 853/A349,  we find ourselves in an interesting dilemma.  Even if we assume that other things are listed on the actual autopsy/toxicology report, we would have to assume that Prince was the only person in Minnesota that got that deadly batch. There are no other reports of death from watson 853/a349 laced with fentanyl. Maybe there are and I just can't find it . I just dont understand why it is so easy to find all of the other pills with imprints that caused overdoses, but not these two in mass . If it's out there and not being reported, that seems to be dereliction of duty for not reporting a substance/narcotic that is causing death. I don't think the evidence exist to support fentanyl related deaths with these two pills.



So either there is some other combined drug toxification not mentioned, or, it was the easiest thing to conclude. 

[Edited 11/5/17 11:18am]



Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that some of the hydrocodone pills (853) were found to have varying amounts of fentanyl.

If true, it would be extremely difficult for a person to know which pill(s) to ingest to achieve a desired effect be it pain relief or death as they are identically marked according to what was reported.

I do seem to recall this was "leaked" information that hasn't been verified or discredited by any law enforcement agencies. It would be helpful to have either.

Peace & Be Wild
The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul
Reply #169 posted 11/05/17 4:26pm

Menes

(4) quick questions.


(In consideration of all that we know)...

Let's say that you have information that Prince , more likely than not, is suffering from severe chronic pain and/or a terminal illness.

Let's say that you have information that Prince , is more than likely, not receiving doctors care for said chronic pain and/or terminal illness.

Let's say that you have information that Prince, more than likely, has chosen to self medicate by self administering various narcotics to alleviate the symptoms arising from chronic pain and/or terminal illness as opposed to using any conventional means...

Let's say that you have information that Prince, more than likely, does not have an in-home caretaker , is not in a hospice and for all practical purposes , is in charge of his own health...

My questions are:

What would be the most logical way that Prince's life would end( barring unnatural causes)?

Who woud be the most logical person to make a decision to end Prince's suffering?

How would the suffering end if he is not under any medical supervision or care?

If you believe that Prince was the sole individual in charge of hs health and when he would want to end the suffering, what difference would it have made if had he decided to end his life a year from now, or tomorrow?

Reply #170 posted 11/05/17 4:43pm

Morgaine

The presence of the 1 non-RX Suboxone pill is confusing.
There's so much that can be suggested by this pill - what it is used for, how it can affect opiate usage, as well as inferring a level of awareness about opiate dependency.

Peace & Be Wild
The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul
Reply #171 posted 11/05/17 5:02pm

Bodhitheblackdog

or

Menes said:

(4) quick questions.


(In consideration of all that we know)...

Let's say that you have information that Prince , more likely than not, is suffering from severe chronic pain and/or a terminal illness.

Let's say that you have information that Prince , is more than likely, not receiving doctors care for said chronic pain and/or terminal illness.

Let's say that you have information that Prince, more than likely, has chosen to self medicate by self administering various narcotics to alleviate the symptoms arising from chronic pain and/or terminal illness as opposed to using any conventional means...

Let's say that you have information that Prince, more than likely, does not have an in-home caretaker , is not in a hospice and for all practical purposes , is in charge of his own health...

My questions are:

What would be the most logical way that Prince's life would end( barring unnatural causes)?

Who woud be the most logical person to make a decision to end Prince's suffering?

How would the suffering end if he is not under any medical supervision or care?

If you believe that Prince was the sole individual in charge of hs health and when he would want to end the suffering, what difference would it have made if had he decided to end his life a year from now, or tomorrow?

1) it is NOT logical to assume that he would enter hospice care in a hospital, hire caretakers (strangers) to come to PP or impress into service relatives, musicians or fans to care for him as his health declined.

2) Prince, of course.

3) Pills...he wouldn't have used a gun, opened his veins, hung himself or thrown himself to the atrium floor from the balcony.He wouldn't have moved to a death-with-dignity state, hired someone to kill him, or staged an 'accidental' drowning. He wouldn'y have driven his car into a tree, electrocuted himself in Studio A or risked having a seizure and dying on stage.

4) None. RIP.

[Edited 11/5/17 17:08pm]

Reply #172 posted 11/05/17 5:43pm

Asenath0607

Morgaine said:

The presence of the 1 non-RX Suboxone pill is confusing. There's so much that can be suggested by this pill - what it is used for, how it can affect opiate usage, as well as inferring a level of awareness about opiate dependency. Peace & Be Wild

Was it just one though? The warrant states 1 orange pill with #8; but also states "8 orange oval pills". Could the 8 orange oval pills also been Suboxone?

Reply #173 posted 11/05/17 6:06pm

Asenath0607

Morgaine said:

Menes said:

Yes, that is the burning question.

It would be easy to wrap this up and say that fentanyl was in one of the pills that he ingested .Namely watson 853 or A-349 . However, the evidence does not support that either of these pills were generally seen to involve fentanyl related deaths.

That would mean that Prince really was very unique in getting one of these pills that were tainted as opposed to every other person who may have been using the same pills but did not overdose.

This is the problem with the non public data sheet that was released to the public. It is incomplete and we have all discussed this.

The public data sheet list cause of death as "fentanyl toxicity". But how factual and complete is that? If we look at the warrant , we can account for all of the narcotics that were taken from Paisley Park. There is no "fentanyl" or any imprint of Subsys, illicit or prescribed there. Furthermore, in the case of fentanyl toxicity, there are usually other drugs involved which she probably has in her toxicology report. I think we can assume that he had other drugs in his system.

Ingesting narcotics that may be tainted with toxic levels of fentanyl is usually deifined as combined drug toxification when death is the result. Hence, the mixing of the heroin and fentanyl that have produced a tremendous amount of overdoses.


If there are no fentanyl related deaths reported in watson 853/A349, we find ourselves in an interesting dilemma. Even if we assume that other things are listed on the actual autopsy/toxicology report, we would have to assume that Prince was the only person in Minnesota that got that deadly batch. There are no other reports of death from watson 853/a349 laced with fentanyl. Maybe there are and I just can't find it . I just dont understand why it is so easy to find all of the other pills with imprints that caused overdoses, but not these two in mass . If it's out there and not being reported, that seems to be dereliction of duty for not reporting a substance/narcotic that is causing death. I don't think the evidence exist to support fentanyl related deaths with these two pills.



So either there is some other combined drug toxification not mentioned, or, it was the easiest thing to conclude.

[Edited 11/5/17 11:18am]

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that some of the hydrocodone pills (853) were found to have varying amounts of fentanyl. If true, it would be extremely difficult for a person to know which pill(s) to ingest to achieve a desired effect be it pain relief or death as they are identically marked according to what was reported. I do seem to recall this was "leaked" information that hasn't been verified or discredited by any law enforcement agencies. It would be helpful to have either. Peace & Be Wild

That was my understanding also. And while I have been open to various theories, that is why I am having a hard time following the logic behind him committing suicide.

http://www.startribune.com/pills-seized-from-paisley-park-contained-illicit-fentanyl-same-drug-that-killed-prince/390816101/

Reply #174 posted 11/05/17 6:06pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

I thought the only suboxone found were the ones Andrew had in his back pack?

Reply #175 posted 11/05/17 6:16pm

Menes

Bodhitheblackdog said:

or

Menes said:

(4) quick questions.


(In consideration of all that we know)...

Let's say that you have information that Prince , more likely than not, is suffering from severe chronic pain and/or a terminal illness.

Let's say that you have information that Prince , is more than likely, not receiving doctors care for said chronic pain and/or terminal illness.

Let's say that you have information that Prince, more than likely, has chosen to self medicate by self administering various narcotics to alleviate the symptoms arising from chronic pain and/or terminal illness as opposed to using any conventional means...

Let's say that you have information that Prince, more than likely, does not have an in-home caretaker , is not in a hospice and for all practical purposes , is in charge of his own health...

My questions are:

What would be the most logical way that Prince's life would end( barring unnatural causes)?

Who woud be the most logical person to make a decision to end Prince's suffering?

How would the suffering end if he is not under any medical supervision or care?

If you believe that Prince was the sole individual in charge of hs health and when he would want to end the suffering, what difference would it have made if had he decided to end his life a year from now, or tomorrow?

1) it is NOT logical to assume that he would enter hospice care in a hospital, hire caretakers (strangers) to come to PP or impress into service relatives, musicians or fans to care for him as his health declined.

2) Prince, of course.

3) Pills...he wouldn't have used a gun, opened his veins, hung himself or thrown himself to the atrium floor from the balcony.He wouldn't have moved to a death-with-dignity state, hired someone to kill him, or staged an 'accidental' drowning. He wouldn'y have driven his car into a tree, electrocuted himself in Studio A or risked having a seizure and dying on stage.

4) None. RIP.

[Edited 11/5/17 17:08pm]

Yet, some would have us believe that the aggregate amount of information that has been known for some time, is superceded by licensing guidelines, and that those guidelines, should remain unchallenged even if there is a clear preponderance of evidence to support that it could be something else.

Reply #176 posted 11/05/17 6:21pm

Asenath0607

Menes said:

I wanted to disregard all of the tabloid information I've read and focus soley on the facts of each search warrant that was reviewed here. Of note, there are some things in these warrants that I was not aware of and found interesting. Some if not most of it, is already known here on the org. I will highlight the tidbits that I wasn't aware of until taking a closer look at the warrants. I wil post each in descending order as time permits.

September 19, 2016 warrant filed and issued.

1. This is the warrant for all data maintained by Google, Inc. for the Gmail account identified as Paislerparkafterdark@gmail.com. The facts tending to establish foregoing grounds for issuance are as followed.

Below are the finding from the "Affiant" , detective Christina Warner, of the Carver County Sherriff's office for 16 years.

a. On April 21, 2016 at 0943 hours , the Sheriffs deputies were dispatched to Paisley Park studios.

b. Prince Rogers Nelson was found in an elevator and not breathing.

c. Prince was unresponsive and pronounced deceased at the scene.

d. Witnesses at the scene that were interviewed stated that Prince recently had a history of going thru withdrawals which are believed to be the result of the abuse of prescription medication. ( I wasn't aware that someone in Prince's camp stated that).

e. The Affiant learned that Prince had "passed out" during a flight from Atlanta.

f. According to one of the witnesses interviewed, Prince admitted to taking 1-2 "pain pills" during this flight.

g. During the search of Prince's residence, detectives located numerous controlled substance pills in various containers and areas of Prince's bedroom, some of which was in a suitcase with the name tag of "Peter Bravestrong". Inside of the suitcase were several prescription bottles in the name of Kirk Johnson.

h. Prince had no prescriptions issued to him but Kirk Johnson had Oxycodone prescribed to him by Dr. Michael Schuelenberg on 4-14-2016 according to the Minnesota Prescription Monitoring Program.

i. On 4-26-16 Attorney Gary Hansen (who had been appointed to take care of Prince's affairs after death) provided consent for the Sherriff's office to take custody of a silver Apple laptop computer found in Prince's bedroom.

j. On Monday 5-19-2016 Sgt. Meir received a phone call from Dr. Quin Strobel(ME) on whch the results of Prince's toxicology screening showed Prince had a lethal dose of the narcotic fentanyl in his system. (wasn't the information released prior to this date, or was it June?)

k. Dr. Schulenberg( who was at the scene on 4-21-2016) admitted to prescribing Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the landing but put the prescription in kirk Johnson's name for privacy.

L. Affiant learned that Prince did not have a regular doctor and that his managers would set him up with various doctors before a show so that Prince could get a "b12" injection before his performance.

m. Affiant learned that Julia Yasine Ramadan(Prince's manager from 2011-2013) set up a google account for Prince identified as jyramadan@gmail.com.

n. DEA learned that Prince's computer had several email accounts to include mistag3@ gmail, peterbravestrong @gmail, paisleyparkafterdark@gmail, and jyramaan@gmail.

o. Affiant learned that Julia Ramadan told detective Kuhnau that after she heard about the drug overdose ,she had sent an email to Prince stating "sending my love" to which a response of "love recieved " was sent back to her.

p. On 9-19-2016, Affiant received information from google that all accounts were current. There was also a recovery email that was set up in the name of KAJhipfit.net which is one of the accounts registered to Kirk Johnson. The Affiant confirmed that they are aware that Kirk Johnson previously assisted Prince in obtaining a controlled substance by contacting Dr. Schulenberg on 4-14-16.


Can you post a link to the search warrants with this information? I've been searching and can't find. Thanks!

Reply #177 posted 11/05/17 6:23pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

Asenath0607 said:

Can you post a link to the search warrants with this information? I've been searching and can't find. Thanks!

http://www.mncourts.gov/I...elson.aspx

The link is in the 3rd paragraph

Reply #178 posted 11/05/17 6:26pm

morningsong

Morgaine said:

Menes said:

Yes, that is the burning question.

It would be easy to wrap this up and say that fentanyl was in one of the pills that he ingested .Namely watson 853 or A-349 . However, the evidence does not support that either of these pills were generally seen to involve fentanyl related deaths.

That would mean that Prince really was very unique in getting one of these pills that were tainted as opposed to every other person who may have been using the same pills but did not overdose.

This is the problem with the non public data sheet that was released to the public. It is incomplete and we have all discussed this.

The public data sheet list cause of death as "fentanyl toxicity". But how factual and complete is that? If we look at the warrant , we can account for all of the narcotics that were taken from Paisley Park. There is no "fentanyl" or any imprint of Subsys, illicit or prescribed there. Furthermore, in the case of fentanyl toxicity, there are usually other drugs involved which she probably has in her toxicology report. I think we can assume that he had other drugs in his system.

Ingesting narcotics that may be tainted with toxic levels of fentanyl is usually deifined as combined drug toxification when death is the result. Hence, the mixing of the heroin and fentanyl that have produced a tremendous amount of overdoses.


If there are no fentanyl related deaths reported in watson 853/A349, we find ourselves in an interesting dilemma. Even if we assume that other things are listed on the actual autopsy/toxicology report, we would have to assume that Prince was the only person in Minnesota that got that deadly batch. There are no other reports of death from watson 853/a349 laced with fentanyl. Maybe there are and I just can't find it . I just dont understand why it is so easy to find all of the other pills with imprints that caused overdoses, but not these two in mass . If it's out there and not being reported, that seems to be dereliction of duty for not reporting a substance/narcotic that is causing death. I don't think the evidence exist to support fentanyl related deaths with these two pills.



So either there is some other combined drug toxification not mentioned, or, it was the easiest thing to conclude.

[Edited 11/5/17 11:18am]

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that some of the hydrocodone pills (853) were found to have varying amounts of fentanyl. If true, it would be extremely difficult for a person to know which pill(s) to ingest to achieve a desired effect be it pain relief or death as they are identically marked according to what was reported. I do seem to recall this was "leaked" information that hasn't been verified or discredited by any law enforcement agencies. It would be helpful to have either. Peace & Be Wild



According to the warrant there were a lot of the counterfeit pills. According to the media many of the counterfeit pills were tested and were found with high concentrations of fentanyl. The difference between the 2 reports is the actual number stamped on the pills. No media report has printed a retraction.


From a Billboard article:

One pill with the "Watson 385" stamp that was analyzed by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension tested positive for fentanyl, lidocaine and another drug.

Officials found nearly two dozen pills similar to the one that was tested, the official said.

Another aspirin bottle had 64 counterfeit tablets in it. Some pills that were analyzed contained fentanyl, lidocaine and U-4770 -- a synthetic drug that is eight times more powerful than morphine.



Obviously this is the article that misprinted the U-47700 and must have later corrected their mistake

Search warrant states (15) Watson853 found in 2nd flr dressing room. (64-1/2) Watson853 found in Bayer bottle. (20-1/2) Watson853 in an Aleve bottle

Reply #179 posted 11/05/17 6:40pm

Menes

morningsong said:

Morgaine said:

Menes said: Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that some of the hydrocodone pills (853) were found to have varying amounts of fentanyl. If true, it would be extremely difficult for a person to know which pill(s) to ingest to achieve a desired effect be it pain relief or death as they are identically marked according to what was reported. I do seem to recall this was "leaked" information that hasn't been verified or discredited by any law enforcement agencies. It would be helpful to have either. Peace & Be Wild



According to the warrant there were a lot of the counterfeit pills. According to the media many of the counterfeit pills were tested and were found with high concentrations of fentanyl. The difference between the 2 reports is the actual number stamped on the pills. No media report has printed a retraction.


From a Billboard article:

One pill with the "Watson 385" stamp that was analyzed by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension tested positive for fentanyl, lidocaine and another drug.

Officials found nearly two dozen pills similar to the one that was tested, the official said.

Another aspirin bottle had 64 counterfeit tablets in it. Some pills that were analyzed contained fentanyl, lidocaine and U-4770 -- a synthetic drug that is eight times more powerful than morphine.



Obviously this is the article that misprinted the U-47700 and must have later corrected their mistake

Search warrant states (15) Watson853 found in 2nd flr dressing room. (64-1/2) Watson853 found in Bayer bottle. (20-1/2) Watson853 in an Aleve bottle

Just to be clear, the point of the thread was to disregard all tabloid information and focus soley on the facts in the warrants . In addition, we use those facts to compile additonal information relevant to what is written in the warrants. I've posted numerous links in this thread where tabloid and news agencies misquoted the facts in the warrants. That is not what we are doing here.

Reply #180 posted 11/05/17 6:41pm

morningsong

per Forbes:

Watson 385 is no longer sold in pharmacies.


Watson Pharmaceuticals no longer exists. Watson changed its name to Actavis Generics in 2013.

Actavis then purchased Allergan AGN -0.26% in November 2014 which was subsequently purchased by the generic drug giant Teva Pharmaceuticals in a deal that just closed last week.

A query is pending with the global media director of Teva Pharmaceuticals as to whether the company is aware of counterfeits of this discontinued product.



https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkroll/2016/08/22/princes-death-from-fentanyl-may-have-been-due-to-counterfeit-generic-drugs/2/#7d037087fd68

Reply #181 posted 11/05/17 6:45pm

morningsong

Menes said:

morningsong said:



According to the warrant there were a lot of the counterfeit pills. According to the media many of the counterfeit pills were tested and were found with high concentrations of fentanyl. The difference between the 2 reports is the actual number stamped on the pills. No media report has printed a retraction.


From a Billboard article:




One pill with the "Watson 385" stamp that was analyzed by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension tested positive for fentanyl, lidocaine and another drug.

Officials found nearly two dozen pills similar to the one that was tested, the official said.

Another aspirin bottle had 64 counterfeit tablets in it. Some pills that were analyzed contained fentanyl, lidocaine and U-4770 -- a synthetic drug that is eight times more powerful than morphine.



Obviously this is the article that misprinted the U-47700 and must have later corrected their mistake

Search warrant states (15) Watson853 found in 2nd flr dressing room. (64-1/2) Watson853 found in Bayer bottle. (20-1/2) Watson853 in an Aleve bottle

Just to be clear, the point of the thread was to disregard all tabloid information and focus soley on the facts in the warrants . In addition, we use those facts to compile additonal information relevant to what is written in the warrants. I've posted numerous links in this thread where tabloid and news agencies misquoted the facts in the warrants. That is not what we are doing here.



Fair enough, but I do see information used that was only provided by the media. So if only the search warrant info is being used then nothing from the media should be used since most outside of Vanity Fair have repeated that it was Watson385.

Reply #182 posted 11/05/17 7:01pm

Menes

morningsong said:

Menes said:

Just to be clear, the point of the thread was to disregard all tabloid information and focus soley on the facts in the warrants . In addition, we use those facts to compile additonal information relevant to what is written in the warrants. I've posted numerous links in this thread where tabloid and news agencies misquoted the facts in the warrants. That is not what we are doing here.



Fair enough, but I do see information used that was only provided by the media. So if only the search warrant info is being used then nothing from the media should be used since most outside of Vanity Fair have repeated that it was Watson385.

It's not that all of the information provided by the media is false, but there was/is information that was erroneous that we were led to believe was accurate. I think reply #122 in the thread is a good example to show the numerous errors. Those errors also led to the reason people believed that whatever was leaked( from some of the same erroneous reporting) was true.

Reply #183 posted 11/05/17 7:08pm

morningsong

Menes said:

morningsong said:



Fair enough, but I do see information used that was only provided by the media. So if only the search warrant info is being used then nothing from the media should be used since most outside of Vanity Fair have repeated that it was Watson385.

It's not that all of the information provided by the media is false, but there was/is information that was erroneous that we were led to believe was accurate. I think reply #122 in the thread is a good example to show the numerous errors. Those errors also led to the reason people believed that whatever was leaked( from some of the same erroneous reporting) was true.



I agree with you but outside of "385", what is false and what is true?

Reply #184 posted 11/05/17 7:12pm

Asenath0607

laurarichardson said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

laurarichardson said: No laura your the one who never has common sense and your the one who is following your own narrative, post proof that prince had a terminal illness.

We have what Tyka is telling us now not once but twice. We have loads of stitutions that point to it and it is all been mentioned on this board a million times. We have more evidence that he was ill then we do that he was some life long pill head and the lack of evidence for that is nonexistent but that does not stop people from believing it.

We have no proof at all that he refused to go to rehab due to pride or embarrassment but people have made up this senerio. I am sure that if Tyka writes a book or continues to do interviews we will find out and then we will see how common sense was not used

Oh I forgt to mention that only superman could consume massive quatnties of pain pills and not have any effect on their organs and over all health but the lack of common sense can take you on that type of journey. You know Prince was superhuman and would never ever have a sickness or illness.

so I'll delete my comment since we're only discussing what was in the warrant.

[Edited 11/5/17 19:21pm]

Reply #185 posted 11/05/17 7:36pm

PennyPurple

Menes said:

morningsong said:



According to the warrant there were a lot of the counterfeit pills. According to the media many of the counterfeit pills were tested and were found with high concentrations of fentanyl. The difference between the 2 reports is the actual number stamped on the pills. No media report has printed a retraction.


From a Billboard article:

One pill with the "Watson 385" stamp that was analyzed by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension tested positive for fentanyl, lidocaine and another drug.

Officials found nearly two dozen pills similar to the one that was tested, the official said.

Another aspirin bottle had 64 counterfeit tablets in it. Some pills that were analyzed contained fentanyl, lidocaine and U-4770 -- a synthetic drug that is eight times more powerful than morphine.



Obviously this is the article that misprinted the U-47700 and must have later corrected their mistake

Search warrant states (15) Watson853 found in 2nd flr dressing room. (64-1/2) Watson853 found in Bayer bottle. (20-1/2) Watson853 in an Aleve bottle

Just to be clear, the point of the thread was to disregard all tabloid information and focus soley on the facts in the warrants . In addition, we use those facts to compile additonal information relevant to what is written in the warrants. I've posted numerous links in this thread where tabloid and news agencies misquoted the facts in the warrants. That is not what we are doing here.

I would only believe what the warrants say. The media gets things wrong all the time.

Reply #186 posted 11/05/17 7:41pm

Asenath0607

Menes said:

Just wanted to say that I took away for these reports (coupled wth some other reports that I have) a strong sense of pain that was undeniable, and in no uncertaing terms , pointing to the end of the road.

The "don't ask, dont tell" choir is quite apparent and is indicative of the type of person he was.

There is one central figure in this story (besides Prince)whom the investigators certainly focused on very early on.

I do not believe that the amount of pills found are an indication of relief for merely "hip pain" or, that they soley represent addiction . Rather, that there was a more serious underlying illness, coupled with other ailments that compounded the problem of addiction. This cascading narrative inevitably was going to lead to a full disclosure of everything that was once guarded and impenetrable.

Accidental or not, I don't think he was in a very good space regardless of what he had planned for the future and he knew that.


For your records:


In Re: The Investigation into the Death of Prince Rogers Nelson

So I want to make sure that I'm complying with staying on topic, are we only discussing what is in the warrants; or is it okay to give our opinions about what we take away from the warrants?

Reply #187 posted 11/05/17 7:43pm

Asenath0607

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

Menes said: —The is interesting as this means he had the Suboxne already before Andrew came and I wondered on this board why he did not just get some to ween himself off which I now think he was trying to do. Perhaps withdrawing on an outpatient basis while dealing with other issues. It is the only thing that explains how he was able to get around. [Edited 11/3/17 16:43pm]

Let's keep in mind that even with the ondanestron, there was no prescription for it. Let's think about that for a second. Zofran is not in the least bit a popular drug on the street that dealers are distributing. If you don't have a prescription for that, you either have access to a pill mill (domestic or foreign), or, have someone on the inside to get it for you ( as in a doctor or pharmacist).

A lot of these drugs may not have been bought from "off the street". Just look at the way that bottle ended up in Kirk's name yet , with no prescription. It is as if someone intentionally orchestrated that.

Maybe I misread but pretty sure the warrant indicates that their was a pill bottle from CVS for this medication prescribed to Kirk Johnson. Yeah right underneath the Bayer bottle notation.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2017/images/04/17/prince.search.warrant.pdf

[Edited 11/5/17 19:45pm]

Reply #188 posted 11/05/17 7:57pm

Asenath0607

Menes said:

Menes said:

Something of note. In all of the search warrant documents, there is not one mention of any pills labeled "fentanyl" found on the property.

The questions for me during examination of the contents , were whether or not any of the pills that were found could produce the effect of fentanyl, and result in death. I also wanted to know whether such a pill was found in abundance.


That lead me to double back and take a hard look at the poison pill theory ( as in a single pill that was laced with levels of fentanyl that would produce toxicity).


Now, each of these pills have assigned "street names" that mirror the actual drug. This is important because it may run parallel to when the pills showed up on the streets with said names.


As I examine all of the pills that were taken into custody , I am starting to get a clearer picture of whether pain management was the goal , or was it to feed an addiction. The lines are heavily blurred but it's worth the research.

As an example, the pills that were found with the imprint "194" could be mistaken for acetaminophen and oxycodone hydrochloride 325mg/10mg(street percocet) if they were yellow in color. However, the pills taken into custody are green . The warrant will not explain the significance of that. What is so important about that? Well, that "green " pill was found in a Vitamin D bottle. That green pill with the imprint "194" is actually Vitamin D 50,000 USP units or (ergocalciferol 1.25 mg) This is not a controlled substance. It is supplied by Paddock Industries.

So why would you need 50,000 usp units of Vitamin D2 ? What is it for? Where would you buy that?

In summary, I can say that the more I research about the combination of pills , their specific chemical properties and usage , the more I realize how methodical and disciplined of a person it took to put it all together.


In continuation of the pills that were found at Paisley Park and taken into custody:

"One (1) orange pill with the inscription #8".

1.This pill appears to be buprenorphine ( a scheduled III substance). It is pirmarily used to treat withdrawals from opiod addiction, but is also used to reduce pain and produce feelings of well being as it binds with the opioid receptors.

2. The brand name for buprenorphine is Subutex.

3. Suboxone is the commercial name for Buprenorphine when combined with Naloxone.

4. Andrew Kornfeld brought Buprenorphine with him for his scheduled visit with Prince on 4-20-16.

Though procured illegally, I think we can ascertain that on its own , or in interaction with the other substances, it is unlikely that this produced lethal toxicity.


Short Summary



So far, we have what appeaear to be the following: A substantial need to increas Vitamain D intake: Which may be the result of a host of issues , to include, but not limited to; dietary inadequacy, impaired absorption and use, increased requirement, limited sun light exposure, kidneys that cannot convert it , digestive tract is inadequate ,and the all of the other things that many of you (LR, Stlmuziqlvr,Dibblekins, Penny) mentioned previously.

I wanted to add that there is precedent and correlation for us to assume that inadequate Vitamin D levels is linked to the amount of narcotic medication for those with chronic pain who are ingesting opioids as they are seeking relief from certain cancer types.

* For your records.

Low Vitamin D Levels Are ...ose in ...



Buprenorphine: A New Treatment Option for Opioid Addiction

Buprenorphine Safety, Adverse Reactions, and Drug Interactions












Vitamin D deficiency is very prevalent and not necessarily related to another underlying health condition.

http://jn.nutrition.org/content/136/4/1126.full

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4018438/

Reply #189 posted 11/05/17 8:27pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

True. Kirk's name was on the script for ondanestron and the script for Vitamin D both from CVS.

And there were no scripts found from Walgreen's

Asenath0607 said:

Menes said:

Let's keep in mind that even with the ondanestron, there was no prescription for it. Let's think about that for a second. Zofran is not in the least bit a popular drug on the street that dealers are distributing. If you don't have a prescription for that, you either have access to a pill mill (domestic or foreign), or, have someone on the inside to get it for you ( as in a doctor or pharmacist).

A lot of these drugs may not have been bought from "off the street". Just look at the way that bottle ended up in Kirk's name yet , with no prescription. It is as if someone intentionally orchestrated that.

Maybe I misread but pretty sure the warrant indicates that their was a pill bottle from CVS for this medication prescribed to Kirk Johnson. Yeah right underneath the Bayer bottle notation.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2017/images/04/17/prince.search.warrant.pdf

[Edited 11/5/17 19:45pm]

Reply #190 posted 11/05/17 8:31pm

Menes

Asenath0607 said:

Menes said:

Just wanted to say that I took away for these reports (coupled wth some other reports that I have) a strong sense of pain that was undeniable, and in no uncertaing terms , pointing to the end of the road.

The "don't ask, dont tell" choir is quite apparent and is indicative of the type of person he was.

There is one central figure in this story (besides Prince)whom the investigators certainly focused on very early on.

I do not believe that the amount of pills found are an indication of relief for merely "hip pain" or, that they soley represent addiction . Rather, that there was a more serious underlying illness, coupled with other ailments that compounded the problem of addiction. This cascading narrative inevitably was going to lead to a full disclosure of everything that was once guarded and impenetrable.

Accidental or not, I don't think he was in a very good space regardless of what he had planned for the future and he knew that.


For your records:


In Re: The Investigation into the Death of Prince Rogers Nelson

So I want to make sure that I'm complying with staying on topic, are we only discussing what is in the warrants; or is it okay to give our opinions about what we take away from the warrants?

Absolutely we should discuss our opinions, speculations, conjecture , assumptions , theories, hypothesis and anything else we can think of that would help to explain what happened. Point being ,we have the actual documents (warrants)and no longer need to depend on second hand information. Our discussion within the confines of the warrants , is ours, and not those of the Star Tribune, NY times, Billboard, AP, etc.

If I have projected anything else, that was/is not the intent of the thread.

Reply #191 posted 11/05/17 11:44pm

morningsong

People keep asking about WalGreens.


A Prescription Monitoring Warrant was issued as a part of this investigation. The results of that search warrant have shown that Prince was not prescribed any of the controlled substances located in the residence.

Your Affiant has learned through this investigation that Kirk Johnson was known to have contacted a Minnesota doctor, Dr. Schulenberg, to help Prince with regards to hip pain. Dr. Schulenberg met with Prince and prescribed him Clonidine, Hydroxyzine Pamoate and Diazepam.

On 4/20/2016, Johnson went to Walgreen’s in Minnetonka, located at 4950 Co Rd 101, and picked up Prince’s prescription medication. Johnson told Investigators this was the first time he had ever done something like that for Prince.

During a search warrant executed at Paisley Park on 4/21/2016 (the day Prince was found deceased), a suitcase was found in Prince’s bedroom next to his bed. Among the items inside that suitcase were prescription pill bottles in the name of Johnson.

A closer examination of those pill bottles revealed that not all the pills inside the containers were the pills listed on the prescription.

One of the pill bottles, a Vitamin D bottle, was found to contain the controlled substance Ondanselron Hydrochloride.

A second prescription bottle, said to contain Ondansetron, was found to contain the controlled substance Acetarninophen/oxycodone hydrochloride.

The date those medications were prescribed to Johnson, according to the pill bottles, was 4/7/2016. The medications were prescribed by Dr. Schulenberg.




Not sure what it means. The earlier warrants say that a few prescriptions were in Kirk's name. Like the one above. The later ones say Kirk had only one prescription in his name. Like the one below.



On Monday, 05-09-16 I learned that Sgt. Meier had received a phone call from Dr. Quin Strobel from the Midwest Medical Examiner’s Office.

In speaking to Dr. Strobel, we learned that the results from Prince’s toxicology screening showed Prince had a lethal dose of the narcotic Fentanyl in his system.

Your affiant along with the DEA conducted a Minnesota Prescription Monitoring Program warrant and learned that Prince Rogers Nelson had no prescriptions issued to him and that Kirk Johnson had only one, Oxycodone which was prescribed on 04-14-16 by Dr. Michael Schulenberg, the same doctor who was at the scene of Paisley Park on 04-21-16 when deputies arrived and the same doctor who admitted in a statement to Detective Chris Nelson that he had prescribed Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the emergency plane landing but put the prescription in Kirk Johnson’s name for Prince’s privacy.

[Edited 11/5/17 23:46pm]

Reply #192 posted 11/05/17 11:53pm

Mumio

morningsong said:

People keep asking about WalGreens.


A Prescription Monitoring Warrant was issued as a part of this investigation. The results of that search warrant have shown that Prince was not prescribed any of the controlled substances located in the residence.

Your Affiant has learned through this investigation that Kirk Johnson was known to have contacted a Minnesota doctor, Dr. Schulenberg, to help Prince with regards to hip pain. Dr. Schulenberg met with Prince and prescribed him Clonidine, Hydroxyzine Pamoate and Diazepam.

On 4/20/2016, Johnson went to Walgreen’s in Minnetonka, located at 4950 Co Rd 101, and picked up Prince’s prescription medication. Johnson told Investigators this was the first time he had ever done something like that for Prince.

During a search warrant executed at Paisley Park on 4/21/2016 (the day Prince was found deceased), a suitcase was found in Prince’s bedroom next to his bed. Among the items inside that suitcase were prescription pill bottles in the name of Johnson.

A closer examination of those pill bottles revealed that not all the pills inside the containers were the pills listed on the prescription.

One of the pill bottles, a Vitamin D bottle, was found to contain the controlled substance Ondanselron Hydrochloride.

A second prescription bottle, said to contain Ondansetron, was found to contain the controlled substance Acetarninophen/oxycodone hydrochloride.

The date those medications were prescribed to Johnson, according to the pill bottles, was 4/7/2016. The medications were prescribed by Dr. Schulenberg.




Not sure what it means. The earlier warrants say that a few prescriptions were in Kirk's name. Like the one above. The later ones say Kirk had only one prescription in his name. Like the one below.



On Monday, 05-09-16 I learned that Sgt. Meier had received a phone call from Dr. Quin Strobel from the Midwest Medical Examiner’s Office.

In speaking to Dr. Strobel, we learned that the results from Prince’s toxicology screening showed Prince had a lethal dose of the narcotic Fentanyl in his system.

Your affiant along with the DEA conducted a Minnesota Prescription Monitoring Program warrant and learned that Prince Rogers Nelson had no prescriptions issued to him and that Kirk Johnson had only one, Oxycodone which was prescribed on 04-14-16 by Dr. Michael Schulenberg, the same doctor who was at the scene of Paisley Park on 04-21-16 when deputies arrived and the same doctor who admitted in a statement to Detective Chris Nelson that he had prescribed Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the emergency plane landing but put the prescription in Kirk Johnson’s name for Prince’s privacy.

[Edited 11/5/17 23:46pm]



What's odd is that even though it was said there were prescriptions picked up at Walgreens, there wasn't any mention of Walgreens on the pill bottles found at PP. They were CVS bottles... So if Kirk picked up his (Prince's) prescription medication at Walgreens, where are the pill bottles from Walgreens? Where were those prescriptions?




Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
Reply #193 posted 11/06/17 12:00am

morningsong

Mumio said:

morningsong said:

People keep asking about WalGreens.


A Prescription Monitoring Warrant was issued as a part of this investigation. The results of that search warrant have shown that Prince was not prescribed any of the controlled substances located in the residence.

Your Affiant has learned through this investigation that Kirk Johnson was known to have contacted a Minnesota doctor, Dr. Schulenberg, to help Prince with regards to hip pain. Dr. Schulenberg met with Prince and prescribed him Clonidine, Hydroxyzine Pamoate and Diazepam.

On 4/20/2016, Johnson went to Walgreen’s in Minnetonka, located at 4950 Co Rd 101, and picked up Prince’s prescription medication. Johnson told Investigators this was the first time he had ever done something like that for Prince.

During a search warrant executed at Paisley Park on 4/21/2016 (the day Prince was found deceased), a suitcase was found in Prince’s bedroom next to his bed. Among the items inside that suitcase were prescription pill bottles in the name of Johnson.

A closer examination of those pill bottles revealed that not all the pills inside the containers were the pills listed on the prescription.

One of the pill bottles, a Vitamin D bottle, was found to contain the controlled substance Ondanselron Hydrochloride.

A second prescription bottle, said to contain Ondansetron, was found to contain the controlled substance Acetarninophen/oxycodone hydrochloride.

The date those medications were prescribed to Johnson, according to the pill bottles, was 4/7/2016. The medications were prescribed by Dr. Schulenberg.




Not sure what it means. The earlier warrants say that a few prescriptions were in Kirk's name. Like the one above. The later ones say Kirk had only one prescription in his name. Like the one below.



On Monday, 05-09-16 I learned that Sgt. Meier had received a phone call from Dr. Quin Strobel from the Midwest Medical Examiner’s Office.

In speaking to Dr. Strobel, we learned that the results from Prince’s toxicology screening showed Prince had a lethal dose of the narcotic Fentanyl in his system.

Your affiant along with the DEA conducted a Minnesota Prescription Monitoring Program warrant and learned that Prince Rogers Nelson had no prescriptions issued to him and that Kirk Johnson had only one, Oxycodone which was prescribed on 04-14-16 by Dr. Michael Schulenberg, the same doctor who was at the scene of Paisley Park on 04-21-16 when deputies arrived and the same doctor who admitted in a statement to Detective Chris Nelson that he had prescribed Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the emergency plane landing but put the prescription in Kirk Johnson’s name for Prince’s privacy.

[Edited 11/5/17 23:46pm]



What's odd is that even though it was said there were prescriptions picked up at Walgreens, there wasn't any mention of Walgreens on the pill bottles found at PP. They were CVS bottles... So if Kirk picked up his (Prince's) prescription medication at Walgreens, where are the pill bottles from Walgreens? Where were those prescriptions?






Hm. I got the impression from the earlier warrants that the bottles were found but there was a mixture of pills in those bottles not just what was presribed.

During a search warrant executed at Paisley Park on 4/21/2016 (the day Prince was found deceased), a suitcase was found in Prince’s bedroom next to his bed. Among the items inside that suitcase were prescription pill bottles in the name of Johnson.

A closer examination of those pill bottles revealed that not all the pills inside the containers were the pills listed on the prescription.


CVS bottles are on the very 1st warrant, not sure if those items were listed on the 21st or the 27th. I assumed those items were picked up on the 21st. Seems odd for WalGreen bottles to disappear in one day.

[Edited 11/6/17 0:22am]

Reply #194 posted 11/06/17 1:43am

laurarichardson

Asenath0607 said:

 



Menes said:


 



Menes said:


Something of note. In all of the search warrant documents, there is not one mention of any pills labeled "fentanyl" found on the property.

The questions for me during examination of the contents , were whether or not any of the pills that were found could produce the effect of fentanyl, and result in death. I also wanted to know whether such a pill was found in abundance. 


That lead me to double back and take a hard look at the poison pill theory ( as in a single pill that was laced with levels of fentanyl that would produce toxicity).


Now, each of these pills have assigned "street names" that mirror the actual drug.  This is important because it may run parallel to when the pills showed up on the streets with said names. 


As I examine all of the pills that were taken into custody , I am starting to get a clearer picture of whether pain management was the goal , or was it to feed an addiction. The lines are heavily blurred but it's worth the research. 

As an example, the pills that were found with the imprint "194" could be mistaken for acetaminophen and oxycodone hydrochloride 325mg/10mg(street percocet) if they were yellow in color.  However, the pills taken into custody are green . The warrant will not explain the significance of that.  What is so important about that? Well, that "green " pill was found in a Vitamin D bottle. That green pill with the imprint "194" is actually Vitamin D 50,000 USP units or (ergocalciferol  1.25 mg) This is not a controlled substance. It is supplied by Paddock Industries. 

So why would you need 50,000 usp units of Vitamin D2 ? What is it for? Where would you buy that?

In summary, I can say that the more I research about the combination of pills , their specific chemical properties and usage , the more I realize how methodical and disciplined of a person it took to put it all together.


  



In continuation of the pills that were found at Paisley Park and taken into custody:

"One (1) orange pill with the inscription #8".

1.This pill appears to be buprenorphine ( a scheduled III substance). It is pirmarily used to treat withdrawals from opiod addiction, but is also used to reduce pain and produce feelings of well being as it binds with the opioid receptors.

2. The brand name for buprenorphine is Subutex.

3. Suboxone is the commercial name for Buprenorphine when combined with Naloxone.

4. Andrew Kornfeld brought Buprenorphine with him for his scheduled visit with Prince on 4-20-16.

Though procured illegally, I think we can ascertain that on its own , or in interaction with the other substances, it is unlikely that this produced lethal toxicity. 


Short Summary



So far, we have what appeaear to be the following: A substantial need to increas Vitamain D intake: Which may be the result of a host of issues , to include, but not limited to; dietary inadequacy, impaired absorption and use, increased requirement,  limited sun light exposure, kidneys that cannot convert it , digestive tract is inadequate ,and the all of the other things that many of you (LR, Stlmuziqlvr,Dibblekins, Penny) mentioned previously.

I wanted to add that there is precedent and correlation for us to assume that inadequate Vitamin D levels is linked to the amount of narcotic medication for those with chronic pain who are ingesting opioids as they are seeking relief from certain cancer types.

* For your records.

Low Vitamin D Levels Are Associated with Higher Opioid Dose in ...



Buprenorphine: A New Treatment Option for Opioid Addiction

Buprenorphine Safety, Adverse Reactions, and Drug Interactions  




 


 











 



Vitamin D deficiency is very prevalent and not necessarily related to another underlying health condition.


 


http://jn.nutrition.org/content/136/4/1126.full


 


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4018438/


Do you think a drug addict would be concerned about his vitamin D levels? You can only get those with an Rx. Prince had been seeing some doctor before Dr. S came along and if he had RXs in Kirk’s name he surely had Rxs written in other people’s name in the past. He did not get that 65k medical expense for illegal street drugs. People also get Vitamin D pills due to radiation therapy.
[Edited 11/6/17 1:44am]
Reply #195 posted 11/06/17 2:24am

MMJas

laurarichardson said:

Asenath0607 said:

Vitamin D deficiency is very prevalent and not necessarily related to another underlying health condition.

http://jn.nutrition.org/content/136/4/1126.full

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4018438/

Do you think a drug addict would be concerned about his vitamin D levels? You can only get those with an Rx. Prince had been seeing some doctor before Dr. S came along and if he had RXs in Kirk’s name he surely had Rxs written in other people’s name in the past. He did not get that 65k medical expense for illegal street drugs. People also get Vitamin D pills due to radiation therapy. [Edited 11/6/17 1:44am]

Vegetarians and vegans also get vitamin D.

Reply #196 posted 11/06/17 4:28am

PennyPurple

The very high doses of Vit D you need a prescription for, but you can buy Vit D over the counter, because I'm on the OTC and I take 20,000IU a week.

laurarichardson said:

Asenath0607 said:

Vitamin D deficiency is very prevalent and not necessarily related to another underlying health condition.

http://jn.nutrition.org/content/136/4/1126.full

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4018438/

Do you think a drug addict would be concerned about his vitamin D levels? You can only get those with an Rx. Prince had been seeing some doctor before Dr. S came along and if he had RXs in Kirk’s name he surely had Rxs written in other people’s name in the past. He did not get that 65k medical expense for illegal street drugs. People also get Vitamin D pills due to radiation therapy. [Edited 11/6/17 1:44am]

Reply #197 posted 11/06/17 4:52am

laurarichardson

If Menes was correct about the pill ( I will have to go back and read for myself) Prince would have needed an Rx for those pills. I actually have prescription Vitamin D in my medicence cabinet that fit the descripiton that Menes gave. These pills are mega doses of Vitamin D. I was given an Rx because a random blood test showed by D to be down to nothing because I simpley do not like milk and do not drink any. I have started drinking more and sometimes drink Soy with Vitamin D.

What does not make sense is that Prince mentioned Soy Milk and it comes with Vitamin D so I have to think if he needed a mega dose then something was going on. I also like Menes do not see a dope addict worrying about his lact of Vitamin D, throwing up, or blood pressure.

Remember Vitamin D is prescribed for people under going Radiation treatment and so is Zorfran and we did see a media report that one empty bottle they found was for Oxycontin with some women's name on it.

What I think we all should think is weird in the amount of drugs that Dr. S wrote for him. He took two percocets and had a drug overdose on the plane but the good Dr wrote Hydrocone for him on the 14th? He had Subxone which helps ween you off but he also had two different anti-anxiety drugs one of which the Dr. wrote for him. Some of these drugs should not be taken together.

I am with Menes it all seems to be addiction with some other underlying issues.

PennyPurple said:

The very high doses of Vit D you need a prescription for, but you can buy Vit D over the counter, because I'm on the OTC and I take 20,000IU a week.

laurarichardson said:

Asenath0607 said: Do you think a drug addict would be concerned about his vitamin D levels? You can only get those with an Rx. Prince had been seeing some doctor before Dr. S came along and if he had RXs in Kirk’s name he surely had Rxs written in other people’s name in the past. He did not get that 65k medical expense for illegal street drugs. People also get Vitamin D pills due to radiation therapy. [Edited 11/6/17 1:44am]

Reply #198 posted 11/06/17 4:52am

laurarichardson

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

Asenath0607 said: Do you think a drug addict would be concerned about his vitamin D levels? You can only get those with an Rx. Prince had been seeing some doctor before Dr. S came along and if he had RXs in Kirk’s name he surely had Rxs written in other people’s name in the past. He did not get that 65k medical expense for illegal street drugs. People also get Vitamin D pills due to radiation therapy. [Edited 11/6/17 1:44am]

Vegetarians and vegans also get vitamin D.

You get Vitamin D by drinking Soy Milk.

[Edited 11/6/17 5:26am]

Reply #199 posted 11/06/17 6:07am

morningsong

IDK, either some mistakes were made on the first warrant, such as the pill bottles with Kirk's name were actually from Walgreens or Kirk lied when he told the investigators he never did anything like that before, and has actually picked up scripts for Prince at CVS before or they use the same names, Walgreens and CVS.
Reply #200 posted 11/06/17 6:33am

XxAxX


doesn't it seem odd to anyone else that drugs were found all over Paisley Park? i mean, would't common sense dictate that one would keep them on the down low and not all over in backpacks and drawers and etc? without wishing to rouse the old conspiracy theories, there is too much that is utterly strange about this case.

Reply #201 posted 11/06/17 6:50am

morningsong

XxAxX said:

 



doesn't it seem odd to anyone else that drugs were found all over Paisley Park?  i mean, would't common sense dictate that one would keep them on the down low and not all over in backpacks and drawers and etc?  without wishing to rouse the old conspiracy theories, there is too much that is utterly strange about this case.




Gathering from how the warrants were written, The only backpack was Dr. Kornfields son's. There were those found in the traveling bag in Prince's bedroom iirc under the bed, then those in the laundry/wardrobe room.
Reply #202 posted 11/06/17 7:05am

Morgaine

Asenath0607 said:

 



Morgaine said:


The presence of the 1 non-RX Suboxone pill is confusing. There's so much that can be suggested by this pill - what it is used for, how it can affect opiate usage, as well as inferring a level of awareness about opiate dependency. Peace & Be Wild

 


Was it just one though?  The warrant states 1 orange pill with #8; but also states "8 orange oval pills".  Could the 8 orange oval pills also been Suboxone?



It's possible, but without knowing the imprint, there's no way to know for sure.
The presence of any Suboxone is confusing because of the implications that arise.
It's not an easy prescription to legally obtain (not all doctors prescribe) and is generally only given for detox/chronic pain.
Frustrating to not have information that could add clarity.:(

Peace & Be Wild
The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul
Reply #203 posted 11/06/17 7:18am

Morgaine

Menes said:

 



morningsong said:


 



Morgaine said:


Menes said: Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that some of the hydrocodone pills (853) were found to have varying amounts of fentanyl. If true, it would be extremely difficult for a person to know which pill(s) to ingest to achieve a desired effect be it pain relief or death as they are identically marked according to what was reported. I do seem to recall this was "leaked" information that hasn't been verified or discredited by any law enforcement agencies. It would be helpful to have either. Peace & Be Wild



According to the warrant there were a lot of the counterfeit pills.  According to the media many of the counterfeit pills were tested and were found with high concentrations of fentanyl.  The difference between the 2 reports is the actual number stamped on the pills. No media report has printed a retraction. 


From a Billboard article:


One pill with the "Watson 385" stamp that was analyzed by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension tested positive for fentanyl, lidocaine and another drug.

Officials found nearly two dozen pills similar to the one that was tested, the official said.


Another aspirin bottle had 64 counterfeit tablets in it. Some pills that were analyzed contained fentanyl, lidocaine and U-4770 -- a synthetic drug that is eight times more powerful than morphine.





Obviously this is the article that misprinted the U-47700 and must have later corrected their mistake

Search warrant states (15) Watson853 found in 2nd flr dressing room.  (64-1/2) Watson853 found in Bayer bottle.  (20-1/2) Watson853 in an Aleve bottle



Just to be clear, the point of the thread was to disregard all tabloid information and focus soley on the facts in the warrants . In addition, we use those facts to compile additonal information relevant to what is written in the warrants. I've posted numerous links in this thread where tabloid and news agencies misquoted the facts in the warrants. That is not what we are doing here. 



That's my point - because law enforcement hasn't released additional information, there is no way to know what or how he ingested the fentanyl that killed him. Which makes it more difficult to formulate a hypothesis, let alone theorize.
I'm not trying to derail what you have or are trying to accomplish, I just don't see how it's possible to get answers without more information.
Plesse (anyone) prove me wrong.

Peace & Be Wild
The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul
Reply #204 posted 11/06/17 7:32am

Morgaine

XxAxX said:

 



doesn't it seem odd to anyone else that drugs were found all over Paisley Park?  i mean, would't common sense dictate that one would keep them on the down low and not all over in backpacks and drawers and etc?  without wishing to rouse the old conspiracy theories, there is too much that is utterly strange about this case.



It's not odd if he was addicted, abusing, and/or abusing meds, it's actually common behavior to 'hide' it, similar to people with alcohol issues 'hiding' bottles in the linen drawer, garage, etc.
If you wanted to hide your meds, putting them in vitamin bottles, etc is pretty smart.
I'm in no way saying that's what occurred, but this, along with other indicators definitely makes the idea of P having abuse/dependency issues more viable.
The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul
Reply #205 posted 11/06/17 7:41am

laurarichardson

XxAxX said:


doesn't it seem odd to anyone else that drugs were found all over Paisley Park? i mean, would't common sense dictate that one would keep them on the down low and not all over in backpacks and drawers and etc? without wishing to rouse the old conspiracy theories, there is too much that is utterly strange about this case.

Well per the search warrants they were all found in the living quarters. It is the media that said they were all over the park. It was a 65k square foot facility if he wanted to hide something so no one could find it he could have but everything was neatly availble for the police.

The case is filled with convienent coincedences and I must say Prince knew just how gulliable the public really is. After all he had us thinking his real ass was hanging on T.V for 20 years.

Reply #206 posted 11/06/17 7:54am

Bodhitheblackdog

laurarichardson said:

XxAxX said:


doesn't it seem odd to anyone else that drugs were found all over Paisley Park? i mean, would't common sense dictate that one would keep them on the down low and not all over in backpacks and drawers and etc? without wishing to rouse the old conspiracy theories, there is too much that is utterly strange about this case.

Well per the search warrants they were all found in the living quarters. It is the media that said they were all over the park. It was a 65k square foot facility if he wanted to hide something so no one could find it he could have but everything was neatly availble for the police.

The case is filled with convienent coincedences and I must say Prince knew just how gulliable the public really is. After all he had us thinking his real ass was hanging on T.V for 20 years.

don't shatter my dreams...it will always be his 'real' ass for me. yes yes yes

Reply #207 posted 11/06/17 8:15am

laurarichardson

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

Asenath0607 said: Do you think a drug addict would be concerned about his vitamin D levels? You can only get those with an Rx. Prince had been seeing some doctor before Dr. S came along and if he had RXs in Kirk’s name he surely had Rxs written in other people’s name in the past. He did not get that 65k medical expense for illegal street drugs. People also get Vitamin D pills due to radiation therapy. [Edited 11/6/17 1:44am]

Vegetarians and vegans also get vitamin D.

So do people with liver failure. See below about Walter Payton.

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Walter Payton had liver problems due to bile duct cancer. See article below. It took about six months from his diagnois to death. I doubt Walter Payton was addicted to pain pills but we know he took them and these meds destroy your organs and it does not even take long for it to happen. You can have liver failure from taking to many aspirians.

With treatment and if these types of cancers go into remission and person could make it for 10 years. It is possible that if Prince had used pain pills going back to the 90s he might have known about damage as long as a decade ago.

Keep in mind if he was aware of any sort of organ problem he would have been able to let his sister know his prognois and there would have been nothing else that anyone would be able to do.

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http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1999-11-02/news/9911020076_1_liver-transplant-cancer-chicago-hospitals

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https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=10910

The signs and symptoms of PSC include jaundice (yellowing), generalized pruritus (itching all over the body), upper abdominal pain, and infection.

The disease causes irreversible scarring of the liver (cirrhosis) and liver failure, leading to the consideration of liver transplantation. PSC is, in fact, one of the more common reasons for a liver transplant.

The diagnosis of PSC is confirmed by demonstration of thickened bile ducts using a special radiological test called cholangiography in which dye is injected into the bile ducts and then x-rays are taken of the injected ducts.

The treatment of PSC (short of liver transplantation) includes the drug cholestyramine (QUESTRAN) to diminish itching, antibiotics for infection, and vitamin D and calcium to prevent bone loss (osteoporosis). Sometimes, balloon dilatation (a procedure in which the bile ducts are stretched open) or surgery to bypass an obstructed bile duct are performed.

The expected length of survival depends on the age of the person, their

degree of jaundice (based on their blood bilirubin level), how advanced the PSC is by liver biopsy (whether cirrhosis has developed or not), and the size of the spleen (splenomegaly).

The long-term prognosis for PSC is poor. Wwithout a liver transplant, most patients die within 10 years of the time of diagnosis of the disease.

[Edited 11/6/17 8:16am]

Reply #208 posted 11/06/17 8:21am

Mumio

XxAxX said:


doesn't it seem odd to anyone else that drugs were found all over Paisley Park? i mean, would't common sense dictate that one would keep them on the down low and not all over in backpacks and drawers and etc? without wishing to rouse the old conspiracy theories, there is too much that is utterly strange about this case.



laurarichardson said:

Well per the search warrants they were all found in the living quarters. It is the media that said they were all over the park. It was a 65k square foot facility if he wanted to hide something so no one could find it he could have but everything was neatly availble for the police.

The case is filled with convienent coincedences and I must say Prince knew just how gulliable the public really is. After all he had us thinking his real ass was hanging on T.V for 20 years.



Yes. Very convenient and many aren't seeing that. nod


Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
Reply #209 posted 11/06/17 8:26am

Mumio

Morgaine said:

Menes said:

Just to be clear, the point of the thread was to disregard all tabloid information and focus soley on the facts in the warrants . In addition, we use those facts to compile additonal information relevant to what is written in the warrants. I've posted numerous links in this thread where tabloid and news agencies misquoted the facts in the warrants. That is not what we are doing here.



That's my point - because law enforcement hasn't released additional information, there is no way to know what or how he ingested the fentanyl that killed him. Which makes it more difficult to formulate a hypothesis, let alone theorize. I'm not trying to derail what you have or are trying to accomplish, I just don't see how it's possible to get answers without more information. Plesse (anyone) prove me wrong. Peace & Be Wild



This is exactly the reason why I had said previously that there has been too much unsubstantiated information from "sources" that's been used as real proof of whatever. It's nothing more than guesswork if there is no official documentation of what these "sources" are always leaking to the media. It's bullshit.

And no one is going to be able to prove you wrong, for that reason wink



Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
Reply #210 posted 11/06/17 9:33am

morningsong

Morgaine said:

Menes said:

Just to be clear, the point of the thread was to disregard all tabloid information and focus soley on the facts in the warrants . In addition, we use those facts to compile additonal information relevant to what is written in the warrants. I've posted numerous links in this thread where tabloid and news agencies misquoted the facts in the warrants. That is not what we are doing here.

That's my point - because law enforcement hasn't released additional information, there is no way to know what or how he ingested the fentanyl that killed him. Which makes it more difficult to formulate a hypothesis, let alone theorize. I'm not trying to derail what you have or are trying to accomplish, I just don't see how it's possible to get answers without more information. Plesse (anyone) prove me wrong. Peace & Be Wild



IIRC, nothing in all 11 of the search warrants say anything about counterfeit pills.

Reply #211 posted 11/06/17 10:14am

EmancipationLover

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

Vegetarians and vegans also get vitamin D.

You get Vitamin D by drinking Soy Milk.

[Edited 11/6/17 5:26am]

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It is quite common among vegetarians/vegans to take vitamin D supplements, even the high-dosed versions.

prince
Reply #212 posted 11/06/17 10:27am

Morgaine

morningsong said:[quote]

 



Morgaine said:


Menes said:

 


Just to be clear, the point of the thread was to disregard all tabloid information and focus soley on the facts in the warrants . In addition, we use those facts to compile additonal information relevant to what is written in the warrants. I've posted numerous links in this thread where tabloid and news agencies misquoted the facts in the warrants. That is not what we are doing here. 



That's my point - because law enforcement hasn't released additional information, there is no way to know what or how he ingested the fentanyl that killed him. Which makes it more difficult to formulate a hypothesis, let alone theorize. I'm not trying to derail what you have or are trying to accomplish, I just don't see how it's possible to get answers without more information. Plesse (anyone) prove me wrong. Peace & Be Wild



IIRC, nothing in all 11 of the search warrants say anything about counterfeit pills.

[/quote

The search warrants and information from law enforcement did not state there was fentanyl in any of the pills discovered at PP.
It was leaked information that has never been either verified or denied.

Peace & Be Wild
The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul
Reply #213 posted 11/06/17 11:11am

morningsong

Morgaine said:

morningsong said:

That's my point - because law enforcement hasn't released additional information, there is no way to know what or how he ingested the fentanyl that killed him. Which makes it more difficult to formulate a hypothesis, let alone theorize. I'm not trying to derail what you have or are trying to accomplish, I just don't see how it's possible to get answers without more information. Plesse (anyone) prove me wrong. Peace & Be Wild



IIRC, nothing in all 11 of the search warrants say anything about counterfeit pills.

[/quote The search warrants and information from law enforcement did not state there was fentanyl in any of the pills discovered at PP. It was leaked information that has never been either verified or denied. Peace & Be Wild




So without the media information then there is no information about how the fentanyl got into his system.

Reply #214 posted 11/06/17 11:46am

DD55

EmancipationLover said:

laurarichardson said:

You get Vitamin D by drinking Soy Milk.

[Edited 11/6/17 5:26am]

.

It is quite common among vegetarians/vegans to take vitamin D supplements, even the high-dosed versions.

I think the Vitamin D is a red herring, half the country including kids are V-D deficient because we lather on the sun screen so much. The media has believing that all sun exposure is bad….of course you don’t want to sunbathe with baby oil like we did in the 60’s, but we’ve gone a little bonkers in the other direction.

.

Thoughts?

DD55

spelling edit

[Edited 11/6/17 11:48am]

Reply #215 posted 11/06/17 12:46pm

laurarichardson

morningsong said:

Morgaine said:

morningsong said:



IIRC, nothing in all 11 of the search warrants say anything about counterfeit pills.

[/quote The search warrants and information from law enforcement did not state there was fentanyl in any of the pills discovered at PP. It was leaked information that has never been either verified or denied. Peace & Be Wild




So without the media information then there is no information about how the fentanyl got into his system.

The only thing we know and this is from the media also is that he had no Fentenyl is his system from previous medical test. We still do not know what those test the day before were for. He could not have been getting test to go into rehab because he was not being monitored the night before so what was the test for. To tell him he was on drugs?

We also only know from the media that Fentnyal was in some pill or pills they tested. We know he had it in his system from the ME. Big hugh gap of info that is missing and has not come from the ME or the police.

Reply #216 posted 11/06/17 12:48pm

laurarichardson

DD55 said:

EmancipationLover said:

.

It is quite common among vegetarians/vegans to take vitamin D supplements, even the high-dosed versions.

I think the Vitamin D is a red herring, half the country including kids are V-D deficient because we lather on the sun screen so much. The media has believing that all sun exposure is bad….of course you don’t want to sunbathe with baby oil like we did in the 60’s, but we’ve gone a little bonkers in the other direction.

.

Thoughts?

DD55

spelling edit

[Edited 11/6/17 11:48am]

Don't you think it is odd that a vegetarian who was known to drink Soy Milk which comes with Vitamin D would need Prescription level pills and even be concerned about it if he was wacked out on drugs.

I must kill myself with drugs but darn it I am going to have the required Vitamin D and make sure my blood pressure is low.

[Edited 11/6/17 13:02pm]

Reply #217 posted 11/06/17 1:02pm

morningsong

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:




So without the media information then there is no information about how the fentanyl got into his system.

The only thing we know and this is from the media also is that he had no Fentenyl is his system from previous medical test. We still do not know what those test the day before were for. He could not have been getting test to go into rehab because he was not being monitored the night before so what was the test for. To tell him he was on drugs?

We also only know from the media that Fentnyal was in some pill or pills they tested. We know he had it in his system from the ME. Big hugh gap of info that is missing and has not come from the ME or the police.




I'm only abiding by the OP's request to only go by what is official in the search warrants since there is a disconnect of information between what is in the search warrants and what is in printed media.

None of that is in the search warrants. So officially we have no idea how Prince died of fentanyl overdose.

Reply #218 posted 11/06/17 1:04pm

laurarichardson

morningsong said:

laurarichardson said:

The only thing we know and this is from the media also is that he had no Fentenyl is his system from previous medical test. We still do not know what those test the day before were for. He could not have been getting test to go into rehab because he was not being monitored the night before so what was the test for. To tell him he was on drugs?

We also only know from the media that Fentnyal was in some pill or pills they tested. We know he had it in his system from the ME. Big hugh gap of info that is missing and has not come from the ME or the police.




I'm only abiding by the OP's request to only go by what is official in the search warrants since there is a disconnect of information between what is in the search warrants and what is in printed media.

None of that is in the search warrants. So officially we have no idea how Prince died of fentanyl overdose.

No we do not know officially what happened.

Reply #219 posted 11/06/17 2:19pm

Menes

Mumio said:

Morgaine said:

Menes said:

That's my point - because law enforcement hasn't released additional information, there is no way to know what or how he ingested the fentanyl that killed him. Which makes it more difficult to formulate a hypothesis, let alone theorize. I'm not trying to derail what you have or are trying to accomplish, I just don't see how it's possible to get answers without more information. Plesse (anyone) prove me wrong. Peace & Be Wild



This is exactly the reason why I had said previously that there has been too much unsubstantiated information from "sources" that's been used as real proof of whatever. It's nothing more than guesswork if there is no official documentation of what these "sources" are always leaking to the media. It's bullshit.

And no one is going to be able to prove you wrong, for that reason wink



Yes, it is true that it may be impossible to get more answers without more information. However, that should not preclude us from researching information on our own so that we may more accurately identify the things we now know to be in the actual warrants.

I certainly think that there is enough information there to extrapolate and formulate two (2) very probable scenarios.

With those false and misleading media reports, we had Prince dying a thousand different deaths. At one point in time, some on the org had me thinking that Prince had been raptured up with that transcending business.

Reply #220 posted 11/06/17 2:23pm

XxAxX

laurarichardson said:

DD55 said:

I think the Vitamin D is a red herring, half the country including kids are V-D deficient because we lather on the sun screen so much. The media has believing that all sun exposure is bad….of course you don’t want to sunbathe with baby oil like we did in the 60’s, but we’ve gone a little bonkers in the other direction.

.

Thoughts?

DD55

spelling edit

[Edited 11/6/17 11:48am]

Don't you think it is odd that a vegetarian who was known to drink Soy Milk which comes with Vitamin D would need Prescription level pills and even be concerned about it if he was wacked out on drugs.

I must kill myself with drugs but darn it I am going to have the required Vitamin D and make sure my blood pressure is low.

[Edited 11/6/17 13:02pm]



yes i do think it is odd. there is so much to this story that just . . . doesn't seem to hang together. honestly i don't think we will ever know the full story.

Reply #221 posted 11/06/17 2:47pm

Menes

There are reports from Minneapolis PD and more specifically ,Hennepin County, of a bad batch of heroin laced pills right around March 2016. You can use that information with what is in the warrant and you would know that it wasn't watson 853 or A349.

These are the only two types of pills that were taken into custody from Paisley Park that would be paired with dangerous amounts of fentanyl to form a deadly intoxicant.

Reconciling that with what was on the street at that time is proving to be a next to impossible conclusion.

Reply #222 posted 11/06/17 3:09pm

morningsong

Menes said:

There are reports from Minneapolis PD and more specifically ,Hennepin County, of a bad batch of heroin laced pills right around March 2016. You can use that information with what is in the warrant and you would know that it wasn't watson 853 or A349.

These are the only two types of pills that were taken into custody from Paisley Park that would be paired with dangerous amounts of fentanyl to form a deadly intoxicant.

Reconciling that with what was on the street at that time is proving to be a next to impossible conclusion.



I'm confused, the first warrant list all the narcotics that were removed from PP on April 21st , 2016 (or April 27th, 2016), with the exception of what Andrew Kornfield had in his backpack which was listed on warrant #3, none of it was heroin. What does a seizure of laced-heroin in another case have to do with this case beyond having fentanyl involved? Fentanyl lacing is found in all sorts of illegal narcotics, are all narcotic seizures related to Prince?

I think you will be hard pressed to find any reports of fentanyl laced Watson853 anywhere in the US let alone Minnesota. I'm sure there are counterfeit pill marked as such out there, but I don't think it's prevelant anywhere in the US. But I'll look.

Reply #223 posted 11/06/17 3:41pm

Menes

morningsong said:

Menes said:

There are reports from Minneapolis PD and more specifically ,Hennepin County, of a bad batch of heroin laced pills right around March 2016. You can use that information with what is in the warrant and you would know that it wasn't watson 853 or A349.

These are the only two types of pills that were taken into custody from Paisley Park that would be paired with dangerous amounts of fentanyl to form a deadly intoxicant.

Reconciling that with what was on the street at that time is proving to be a next to impossible conclusion.



I'm confused, the first warrant list all the narcotics that were removed from PP on April 21st , 2016 (or April 27th, 2016), with the exception of what Andrew Kornfield had in his backpack which was listed on warrant #3, none of it was heroin. What does a seizure of laced-heroin in another case have to do with this case beyond having fentanyl involved? Fentanyl lacing is found in all sorts of illegal narcotics, are all narcotic seizures related to Prince?

I think you will be hard pressed to find any reports of fentanyl laced Watson853 anywhere in the US let alone Minnesota. I'm sure there are counterfeit pill marked as such out there, but I don't think it's prevelant anywhere in the US. But I'll look.

I'm pretty sure they are out there and with specific imprints during that time period . I think we discussed this a few pages back.

Reply #224 posted 11/06/17 4:01pm

XxAxX

http://kstp.com/news/fentanyl-laced-heroin-percautions-minnesota-bca/4638342/

i had no idea fentanyl was so dangerous to handle

excerpted:

"This drug epidemic, including our opioids and opioid analogs, has really created a new landscape for our employees," he said. "In particular with the dangers that they face handling this particular drug."

Lab scientist have to test for fentanyl in the special cases room, which includes special ventilation to protect them. Scientists are also required to wear single use lab coats, double gloves, a mask and goggles. . .

"It's extremely dangerous" BCA Deputy Superintendent of Investigations Jeff Hansen said. "And you can be exposed to it by breathing it in or by touching it. Or a liquid can be splashed in the eyes."

When scientets go into the field to test for fentanyl, the have to be covered from head to toe because the risk is so great.

"What's different about this is, if they inhale the right amounts of this drug it can kill them," Evans said. "And so we're very concerned about their safety in terms of processing the evidence related to these drugs."

Reply #225 posted 11/06/17 4:13pm

morningsong

Menes said:

morningsong said:



I'm confused, the first warrant list all the narcotics that were removed from PP on April 21st , 2016 (or April 27th, 2016), with the exception of what Andrew Kornfield had in his backpack which was listed on warrant #3, none of it was heroin. What does a seizure of laced-heroin in another case have to do with this case beyond having fentanyl involved? Fentanyl lacing is found in all sorts of illegal narcotics, are all narcotic seizures related to Prince?

I think you will be hard pressed to find any reports of fentanyl laced Watson853 anywhere in the US let alone Minnesota. I'm sure there are counterfeit pill marked as such out there, but I don't think it's prevelant anywhere in the US. But I'll look.

I'm pretty sure they are out there and with specific imprints during that time period . I think we discussed this a few pages back.



From what I gathered from what you said, that Watson853 laced with fentanyl are not found in the Midwest area, especially the Minnesota area. I did a momentary search, and while I find lots of chat boards questioning whether they have fake Watson853, I'm not finding any news articles talking about law enforcement finding specifically those on the street. I find news articles regarding counterfeit Watson and Norco pills laced with fentanyl but all of those are various different pills, none stamped 853. At least not yet. I did find one article that does say there a lot of fake 853s circulating but it didn't specify if they are just fake non-effective pills or are they laced with fentanyl or some combination of that. I do see 853s are one of the most popular pain relievers prescribed for mild to moderate pain and they have in recent years gone from yellow pills to white.

Reply #226 posted 11/06/17 4:18pm

morningsong

XxAxX said:

http://kstp.com/news/fentanyl-laced-heroin-percautions-minnesota-bca/4638342/

i had no idea fentanyl was so dangerous to handle

excerpted:

"This drug epidemic, including our opioids and opioid analogs, has really created a new landscape for our employees," he said. "In particular with the dangers that they face handling this particular drug."

Lab scientist have to test for fentanyl in the special cases room, which includes special ventilation to protect them. Scientists are also required to wear single use lab coats, double gloves, a mask and goggles. . .

"It's extremely dangerous" BCA Deputy Superintendent of Investigations Jeff Hansen said. "And you can be exposed to it by breathing it in or by touching it. Or a liquid can be splashed in the eyes."

When scientets go into the field to test for fentanyl, the have to be covered from head to toe because the risk is so great.

"What's different about this is, if they inhale the right amounts of this drug it can kill them," Evans said. "And so we're very concerned about their safety in terms of processing the evidence related to these drugs."



Crazy stuff ain't it?

Reply #227 posted 11/06/17 4:21pm

XxAxX

morningsong said:

XxAxX said:

http://kstp.com/news/fentanyl-laced-heroin-percautions-minnesota-bca/4638342/

i had no idea fentanyl was so dangerous to handle

excerpted:

"This drug epidemic, including our opioids and opioid analogs, has really created a new landscape for our employees," he said. "In particular with the dangers that they face handling this particular drug."

Lab scientist have to test for fentanyl in the special cases room, which includes special ventilation to protect them. Scientists are also required to wear single use lab coats, double gloves, a mask and goggles. . .

"It's extremely dangerous" BCA Deputy Superintendent of Investigations Jeff Hansen said. "And you can be exposed to it by breathing it in or by touching it. Or a liquid can be splashed in the eyes."

When scientets go into the field to test for fentanyl, the have to be covered from head to toe because the risk is so great.

"What's different about this is, if they inhale the right amounts of this drug it can kill them," Evans said. "And so we're very concerned about their safety in terms of processing the evidence related to these drugs."



Crazy stuff ain't it?



yep. totally dangerous. i was intrigued that mere contact or inhalation could cause an overdose. did not know that

Reply #228 posted 11/06/17 4:46pm

morningsong

XxAxX said:

morningsong said:



Crazy stuff ain't it?



yep. totally dangerous. i was intrigued that mere contact or inhalation could cause an overdose. did not know that




A while back someone posted a picture of how much fentanyl is lethal, it was a bottle with a few white grains, a small fraction of an 1/8th teaspoon.

Reply #229 posted 11/06/17 5:16pm

Menes

morningsong said:

Menes said:

I'm pretty sure they are out there and with specific imprints during that time period . I think we discussed this a few pages back.



From what I gathered from what you said, that Watson853 laced with fentanyl are not found in the Midwest area, especially the Minnesota area. I did a momentary search, and while I find lots of chat boards questioning whether they have fake Watson853, I'm not finding any news articles talking about law enforcement finding specifically those on the street. I find news articles regarding counterfeit Watson and Norco pills laced with fentanyl but all of those are various different pills, none stamped 853. At least not yet. I did find one article that does say there a lot of fake 853s circulating but it didn't specify if they are just fake non-effective pills or are they laced with fentanyl or some combination of that. I do see 853s are one of the most popular pain relievers prescribed for mild to moderate pain and they have in recent years gone from yellow pills to white.

And you're getting pieces of the puzzle together as it relates to the pills that were mentioned in the warrants and taken into custody.

At some point, one should think about why Prince would be in possession of a special batch of pills that doesn't seem to be showing up on the streets during that time, or anytime thereafter. Perhaps in wanting to keep the information confidential , the investigators did not want to reveal the source of the fentanyl so as to not cause a frenzied rush to cop said pills. Eventually, the story got out, (albeit a mix up in the numbers) , and at present, there is still no evidence of overdoses let alone a frenzy to cop said pills.

They are pills that are very well documented to be in existence as of 2014 -present, and remain the central cause of overdoses nationwide, and more specifcally , Minnesota.

Reply #230 posted 11/06/17 5:22pm

morningsong

Menes said:

morningsong said:



From what I gathered from what you said, that Watson853 laced with fentanyl are not found in the Midwest area, especially the Minnesota area. I did a momentary search, and while I find lots of chat boards questioning whether they have fake Watson853, I'm not finding any news articles talking about law enforcement finding specifically those on the street. I find news articles regarding counterfeit Watson and Norco pills laced with fentanyl but all of those are various different pills, none stamped 853. At least not yet. I did find one article that does say there a lot of fake 853s circulating but it didn't specify if they are just fake non-effective pills or are they laced with fentanyl or some combination of that. I do see 853s are one of the most popular pain relievers prescribed for mild to moderate pain and they have in recent years gone from yellow pills to white.

And you're getting pieces of the puzzle together as it relates to the pills that were mentioned in the warrants and taken into custody.

At some point, one should think about why Prince would be in possession of a special batch of pills that doesn't seem to be showing up on the streets during that time, or anytime thereafter. Perhaps in wanting to keep the information confidential , the investigators did not want to reveal the source of the fentanyl so as to not cause a frenzied rush to cop said pills. Eventually, the story got out, (albeit a mix up in the numbers) , and at present, there is still no evidence of overdoses let alone a frenzy to cop said pills.

They are pills that are very well documented to be in existence as of 2014 -present, and remain the central cause of overdoses nationwide, and more specifcally , Minnesota.




Well I have questions about that first warrant, so I pretty much hit a brick wall, because I don't know the odds of inconsistancy.

Seems dumb to have a special batch of something so uncommon to try to cover up a suicide, if that's where you're leading. Why not have what is commonly known to laced made up if this is a matter of wealth and power and shame?


[Edited 11/6/17 17:24pm]

Reply #231 posted 11/06/17 5:29pm

Lovejunky

morningsong said:

XxAxX said:



yep. totally dangerous. i was intrigued that mere contact or inhalation could cause an overdose. did not know that




A while back someone posted a picture of how much fentanyl is lethal, it was a bottle with a few white grains, a small fraction of an 1/8th teaspoon.

When I read that I wondered if Prince tipped the bottle of Pills into his hand in order to select one or two,before putting them back

and the act of doing that is what caused the overdose...

Thats how I take my pills and vitamins..

tip a few pilss into my hand...take the required amount and

put the rest back.

If fentanyl is that potent then thats possible..

Plus they did swab his hands ....Why would they do that at the scene ?

So yes..

the Question is HOW DID HE GET THOSE PILLS remains..

Im not buying that he deliberately Xed himself...

You just cant when your faith is strong

.

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #232 posted 11/06/17 5:32pm

Lovejunky

laurarichardson said:

DD55 said:

I think the Vitamin D is a red herring, half the country including kids are V-D deficient because we lather on the sun screen so much. The media has believing that all sun exposure is bad….of course you don’t want to sunbathe with baby oil like we did in the 60’s, but we’ve gone a little bonkers in the other direction.

.

Thoughts?

DD55

spelling edit

[Edited 11/6/17 11:48am]

Don't you think it is odd that a vegetarian who was known to drink Soy Milk which comes with Vitamin D would need Prescription level pills and even be concerned about it if he was wacked out on drugs.

I must kill myself with drugs but darn it I am going to have the required Vitamin D and make sure my blood pressure is low.

[Edited 11/6/17 13:02pm]

Totally ODD

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #233 posted 11/06/17 5:33pm

morningsong

Lovejunky said:

morningsong said:




A while back someone posted a picture of how much fentanyl is lethal, it was a bottle with a few white grains, a small fraction of an 1/8th teaspoon.

When I read that I wondered if Prince tipped the bottle of Pills into his hand in order to select one or two,before putting them back

and the act of doing that is what caused the overdose...

Thats how I take my pills and vitamins..

tip a few pilss into my hand...take the required amount and

put the rest back.

If fentanyl is that potent then thats possible..

Plus they did swab his hands ....Why would they do that at the scene ?

So yes..

the Question is HOW DID HE GET THOSE PILLS remains..

Im not buying that he deliberately Xed himself...

You just cant when your faith is strong

.



Hm, on the 1st warrant they swabbed both his hand and his neck. I wondered why.


Reply #234 posted 11/06/17 5:38pm

Menes

morningsong said:

Lovejunky said:

When I read that I wondered if Prince tipped the bottle of Pills into his hand in order to select one or two,before putting them back

and the act of doing that is what caused the overdose...

Thats how I take my pills and vitamins..

tip a few pilss into my hand...take the required amount and

put the rest back.

If fentanyl is that potent then thats possible..

Plus they did swab his hands ....Why would they do that at the scene ?

So yes..

the Question is HOW DID HE GET THOSE PILLS remains..

Im not buying that he deliberately Xed himself...

You just cant when your faith is strong

.



Hm, on the 1st warrant they swabbed both his hand and his neck. I wondered why.


Protocol.

Reply #235 posted 11/06/17 5:39pm

Lovejunky

morningsong said:

Lovejunky said:

When I read that I wondered if Prince tipped the bottle of Pills into his hand in order to select one or two,before putting them back

and the act of doing that is what caused the overdose...

Thats how I take my pills and vitamins..

tip a few pilss into my hand...take the required amount and

put the rest back.

If fentanyl is that potent then thats possible..

Plus they did swab his hands ....Why would they do that at the scene ?

So yes..

the Question is HOW DID HE GET THOSE PILLS remains..

Im not buying that he deliberately Xed himself...

You just cant when your faith is strong

.



Hm, on the 1st warrant they swabbed both his hand and his neck. I wondered why.


That would be one way to positively confirm "Accidental" right ?

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #236 posted 11/06/17 5:45pm

Lovejunky

Menes said:

morningsong said:



Hm, on the 1st warrant they swabbed both his hand and his neck. I wondered why.


Protocol.

Only if there is any obvious reason

For example...

a Gun was found, or in a violent situation, checking for hair and skin under fingernails or if pills are on the floor.

otherwise all those things are usually done in the coronors office...

SO there must have been a REASON they did that.

Pills scattered on the floor perhaps ?

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #237 posted 11/06/17 6:08pm

Menes

Lovejunky said:

Menes said:

Protocol.

Only if there is any obvious reason

For example...

a Gun was found, or in a violent situation, checking for hair and skin under fingernails or if pills are on the floor.

otherwise all those things are usually done in the coronors office...

SO there must have been a REASON they did that.

Pills scattered on the floor perhaps ?

I'm not sure if it was for the pills. Is that what the protocol is ?

Reply #238 posted 11/06/17 6:16pm

laurarichardson

Lovejunky said:

laurarichardson said:

Don't you think it is odd that a vegetarian who was known to drink Soy Milk which comes with Vitamin D would need Prescription level pills and even be concerned about it if he was wacked out on drugs.

I must kill myself with drugs but darn it I am going to have the required Vitamin D and make sure my blood pressure is low.

[Edited 11/6/17 13:02pm]

Totally ODD

Not odd to me just makes my point that he was not seeing Dr. S for just joint pain. Do joint pain doctors give out these types of meds. Unless poor Kirk was in some bad shape and needed the blood pressure pills, anti-vomit meds, vitamin D, Suxbone, and some antixiety meds. It is a wide variety of meds for someone just dealing with addiction and getting treatment from a doctor who had no background in addiction managment.

Reply #239 posted 11/06/17 6:20pm

LovePaisley

Lovejunky said:

 



laurarichardson said:


 



DD55 said:


 


I think the Vitamin  D is a red herring, half the country including kids are V-D deficient because we lather on the sun screen so much. The media has believing that all sun exposure is bad….of course you don’t want to sunbathe with baby oil like we did in the 60’s, but we’ve gone a little bonkers in the other direction.   


.


Thoughts?


DD55


spelling edit


[Edited 11/6/17 11:48am]



Don't you think it is odd that a vegetarian who was known to drink Soy Milk which comes with Vitamin D would need Prescription level pills and even be concerned about it if he was wacked out on drugs. 


 


I must kill myself with drugs but darn it I am going to have the required Vitamin D and make sure my blood pressure is low. 


 


 


[Edited 11/6/17 13:02pm]



Totally ODD


 



Vitamin D isn't really a vitamin. It's a steroid and a very powerful anti-inflammatory. I take it myself. For hip pain. It really helps if you're diligent about it. Exercise helps too, like riding a bike. Coincidence?

I see a man who was doing what he could to take care of himself. With mega-dose, prescription strength Vitamin D in his possession, I have to wonder if there's not another doc out there somewhere that we don't know about.
And the MUSIC continues...forever...
Reply #240 posted 11/06/17 7:37pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

The last warrant was issued on September 19, 2016 for the google/email/cloud account.

"The investigation into Prince's death began focusing on where Prince obtained the fentanyl and controlled narcotic prescription medication that was located in his bedroom the day of his death and who gave it to him."

"Your affiant recently investigated a separate death investigation involving a synthetic drug overdose where the victim in that case purchased the manufactured drugs through his internet email account."


"Your Affiant is aware that in this case, Prince Rogers Nelson did not have a cell phone and communicated only via landline and email. Your affiant also learned that account records, such as saved and sent emails from Google are not stored on the computer and are kept on the email Gmail account server. Prince Rogers Nelson died as a result of a narcotic fentanyl overdose from which he was not prescribed.Your affiant believes that the Google Gmail accounts from Prince’s lap top computer will hold valuable evidence into who Prince was communicating with."

They either found nothing or they found something in the Google account.


I think they found something but could go no further in the investigation due to a dead end because no further warrants have been issued for 14 months.

[Edited 11/6/17 19:44pm]

Reply #241 posted 11/06/17 7:52pm

Menes

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The last warrant was issued on September 19, 2016 for the google/email/cloud account.

"The investigation into Prince's death began focusing on where Prince obtained the fentanyl and controlled narcotic prescription medication that was located in his bedroom the day of his death and who gave it to him."

"Your affiant recently investigated a separate death investigation involving a synthetic drug overdose where the victim in that case purchased the manufactured drugs through his internet email account."


"Your Affiant is aware that in this case, Prince Rogers Nelson did not have a cell phone and communicated only via landline and email. Your affiant also learned that account records, such as saved and sent emails from Google are not stored on the computer and are kept on the email Gmail account server. Prince Rogers Nelson died as a result of a narcotic fentanyl overdose from which he was not prescribed.Your affiant believes that the Google Gmail accounts from Prince’s lap top computer will hold valuable evidence into who Prince was communicating with."

They either found nothing or they found something in the Google account.


I think they found something but could go no further in the investigation due to a dead end because no further warrants have been issued for 14 months.

[Edited 11/6/17 19:44pm]

8-)Yes, as in the dark web and backdoor bitcoin partners. There are very popular portals very well known to law enforcement for backdoor purchases. A quick search on the dark side of things will show you where the pills were coming from and in what imprinted format. I am willing to bet just about anything that it wasn't any of the pills that were found at PP.

[Edited 11/6/17 19:53pm]

Reply #242 posted 11/06/17 7:57pm

Menes

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The last warrant was issued on September 19, 2016 for the google/email/cloud account.

"The investigation into Prince's death began focusing on where Prince obtained the fentanyl and controlled narcotic prescription medication that was located in his bedroom the day of his death and who gave it to him."

"Your affiant recently investigated a separate death investigation involving a synthetic drug overdose where the victim in that case purchased the manufactured drugs through his internet email account."


"Your Affiant is aware that in this case, Prince Rogers Nelson did not have a cell phone and communicated only via landline and email. Your affiant also learned that account records, such as saved and sent emails from Google are not stored on the computer and are kept on the email Gmail account server. Prince Rogers Nelson died as a result of a narcotic fentanyl overdose from which he was not prescribed.Your affiant believes that the Google Gmail accounts from Prince’s lap top computer will hold valuable evidence into who Prince was communicating with."

They either found nothing or they found something in the Google account.


I think they found something but could go no further in the investigation due to a dead end because no further warrants have been issued for 14 months.

[Edited 11/6/17 19:44pm]

BTW, I just just wanted to say that you^^^^^ are "critical " with it. hmmm . Nice.

Reply #243 posted 11/06/17 7:58pm

ThatWhiteDude

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The last warrant was issued on September 19, 2016 for the google/email/cloud account.

"The investigation into Prince's death began focusing on where Prince obtained the fentanyl and controlled narcotic prescription medication that was located in his bedroom the day of his death and who gave it to him."

"Your affiant recently investigated a separate death investigation involving a synthetic drug overdose where the victim in that case purchased the manufactured drugs through his internet email account."


"Your Affiant is aware that in this case, Prince Rogers Nelson did not have a cell phone and communicated only via landline and email. Your affiant also learned that account records, such as saved and sent emails from Google are not stored on the computer and are kept on the email Gmail account server. Prince Rogers Nelson died as a result of a narcotic fentanyl overdose from which he was not prescribed.Your affiant believes that the Google Gmail accounts from Prince’s lap top computer will hold valuable evidence into who Prince was communicating with."

They either found nothing or they found something in the Google account.


I think they found something but could go no further in the investigation due to a dead end because no further warrants have been issued for 14 months.

[Edited 11/6/17 19:44pm]

So we'll never know where he got them pills from unless someone else (maybe Kirk Johnson), knows something about it?

"Like books and BLACK LIVES, Albums still MATTER."
Reply #244 posted 11/06/17 8:05pm

Mumio

Menes said:

Mumio said:



This is exactly the reason why I had said previously that there has been too much unsubstantiated information from "sources" that's been used as real proof of whatever. It's nothing more than guesswork if there is no official documentation of what these "sources" are always leaking to the media. It's bullshit.

And no one is going to be able to prove you wrong, for that reason wink



Yes, it is true that it may be impossible to get more answers without more information. However, that should not preclude us from researching information on our own so that we may more accurately identify the things we now know to be in the actual warrants.

I certainly think that there is enough information there to extrapolate and formulate two (2) very probable scenarios.

With those false and misleading media reports, we had Prince dying a thousand different deaths. At one point in time, some on the org had me thinking that Prince had been raptured up with that transcending business.



I like how you've laid things out here in this thread Menes. I'll be watching to see what else you come up with smile




Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
Reply #245 posted 11/06/17 8:06pm

Menes

ThatWhiteDude said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The last warrant was issued on September 19, 2016 for the google/email/cloud account.

"The investigation into Prince's death began focusing on where Prince obtained the fentanyl and controlled narcotic prescription medication that was located in his bedroom the day of his death and who gave it to him."

"Your affiant recently investigated a separate death investigation involving a synthetic drug overdose where the victim in that case purchased the manufactured drugs through his internet email account."


"Your Affiant is aware that in this case, Prince Rogers Nelson did not have a cell phone and communicated only via landline and email. Your affiant also learned that account records, such as saved and sent emails from Google are not stored on the computer and are kept on the email Gmail account server. Prince Rogers Nelson died as a result of a narcotic fentanyl overdose from which he was not prescribed.Your affiant believes that the Google Gmail accounts from Prince’s lap top computer will hold valuable evidence into who Prince was communicating with."

They either found nothing or they found something in the Google account.


I think they found something but could go no further in the investigation due to a dead end because no further warrants have been issued for 14 months.

[Edited 11/6/17 19:44pm]

So we'll never know where he got them pills from unless someone else (maybe Kirk Johnson), knows something about it?

OR, we are not paying enough attention to the elaborate way things are being layed out, sans Kirk Johnson. As in: an innocent and willing participant in the whole scheme of things.

Reply #246 posted 11/06/17 8:20pm

Menes

Mumio said:

Menes said:

Yes, it is true that it may be impossible to get more answers without more information. However, that should not preclude us from researching information on our own so that we may more accurately identify the things we now know to be in the actual warrants.

I certainly think that there is enough information there to extrapolate and formulate two (2) very probable scenarios.

With those false and misleading media reports, we had Prince dying a thousand different deaths. At one point in time, some on the org had me thinking that Prince had been raptured up with that transcending business.



I like how you've laid things out here in this thread Menes. I'll be watching to see what else you come up with smile




Thank you , Mumio.

I am sure that there is more information out there. It will take some time but it's coming together. As an example, let's say you dont have a prescription (per the verification program that is in Minnesota), but the narcotic that you have is not counterfeit.. How would one even do such a thing? What avenues or tools were available to get said pills?


1. What address would be used?

2. What email account would be used?

3. What name would be used?

4. What countries would you obtain things from in order to avoid detection?

3. Can you do a deep reverse search on the darker side of things and get a hit on any of these and link them?

4. You gotta think outside of your own box and place yourself in the mind of a person that doesn't want to get caught.

5. It's not over.

Reply #247 posted 11/06/17 8:54pm

morningsong

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The last warrant was issued on September 19, 2016 for the google/email/cloud account.

"The investigation into Prince's death began focusing on where Prince obtained the fentanyl and controlled narcotic prescription medication that was located in his bedroom the day of his death and who gave it to him."

"Your affiant recently investigated a separate death investigation involving a synthetic drug overdose where the victim in that case purchased the manufactured drugs through his internet email account."


"Your Affiant is aware that in this case, Prince Rogers Nelson did not have a cell phone and communicated only via landline and email. Your affiant also learned that account records, such as saved and sent emails from Google are not stored on the computer and are kept on the email Gmail account server. Prince Rogers Nelson died as a result of a narcotic fentanyl overdose from which he was not prescribed.Your affiant believes that the Google Gmail accounts from Prince’s lap top computer will hold valuable evidence into who Prince was communicating with."

They either found nothing or they found something in the Google account.


I think they found something but could go no further in the investigation due to a dead end because no further warrants have been issued for 14 months.

[Edited 11/6/17 19:44pm]



Would they publically announce each time they get a warrant? I know we knew about warrants issued earlier because it standard but we didn't know how many or for what until they unsealed them. Its obvious they got warrants to see Google servers but there no conclusion made public one way or the other. It can't be about too much privacy since they even had a warrant specifically for Kirk's cellphone along with his number made public.

Reply #248 posted 11/06/17 9:48pm

Lovejunky

Great thread...gives one the opportunity to do some

real analytical thinking

Menes said:

Mumio said:



I like how you've laid things out here in this thread Menes. I'll be watching to see what else you come up with smile




Thank you , Mumio.

I am sure that there is more information out there. It will take some time but it's coming together. As an example, let's say you dont have a prescription (per the verification program that is in Minnesota), but the narcotic that you have is not counterfeit.. How would one even do such a thing? What avenues or tools were available to get said pills?

*Online black market

*Well meaning fan/friend or relative, on the inner circle who knows Princes situation has

connections, perhaps a doctor, or an illegl Dealer.



1. What address would be used?

*Points to either

1) Kirk or

2) Tyka

or a

3)post box of some kind

but even that would have had to be set up by someone very close

It could be one that Prince has had since the very beginning , that only he had access to, and knew about.Something he could have set up in the early days before his Fame eclipsed any chance of Anonymity.Perhaps one person knew about it, someone he kept in touch with, the only person I can think of would be Sheila

Kirk was Princes best friend and there from the beginning and would have shared

certain conversations with Prince that would have been for want of another word "Exculsive"

Tyka, as his sister and a former drug user herself would surely have connections one way or another.It is said they grew close over the last few years..she was there at the last Paisley Gig

2. What email account would be used?

Is it possible that Prince was dictating mails to Meron, worded in such an ambiguous way that

they appeared totally innocent and have been overlooked ?

or

Maybe communication was done via other peoples phones not emails, over the years, and the trail is so weak

now, it almost cant be found..?



3. What name would be used?

His alias PeterBraveStrong, is too obvious, though so poignant

again Kirks name come to the top of my head, he could have created an account that he only accessed for Prince via a Mobile phone, that phone just needed to be thrown away and thats the end of that..




4. What countries would you obtain things from in order to avoid detection?

Here, its either

Prince sourced something directly for himself, without involving anyone.. Japan ?Online

Prince had an accomplice ,dealers, online, illegally procured Contacts

Prince had an enemy Planted Pills

3. Can you do a deep reverse search on the darker side of things and get a hit on any of these and link them?

4. You gotta think outside of your own box and place yourself in the mind of a person that doesn't want to get caught.

I wouldnt Trust ANYONE ~thats the only Guarantee

however, he was such a Supernova personality, he inspired peoples Loyalty.

WOuldnt be suprised if there is some humble simple person out there somwhere

from his early days, that prince kept close,

and that person will take what they know to the grave becasue they Loved him so much...

its possible..
We never knew about the extent of his philanthropy until after 21/04 .

We dont really know who all his friends are.


5. It's not over. Cover Up going on....

[Edited 11/6/17 22:33pm]

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #249 posted 11/07/17 1:25am

laurarichardson

Menes said:

 



Mumio said:


 



Menes said:


 


Yes, it is true that it may be impossible to get more answers without more information. However, that should not preclude us from researching information on our own so that we may more accurately identify the things we now know to be in the actual warrants. 

I certainly think that there is enough information there to extrapolate and formulate two (2) very probable scenarios.

With those false and misleading media reports, we had Prince dying a thousand different deaths. At one point in time, some on the org had me thinking that Prince had been raptured up with that transcending business.





I like how you've laid things out here in this thread Menes. I'll be watching to see what else you come up with smile






Thank you , Mumio. 

I am sure that there is more information out there. It will take some time but it's coming together. As an example, let's say you dont have a prescription (per the verification program that is in Minnesota), but the narcotic that you have is not counterfeit.. How would one even do such a thing? What avenues or tools were available to get said pills?


1. What address would be used?


 


2. What email account would be used?

3. What name would be used? 

4. What countries would you obtain things from in order to avoid detection? 


 


3. Can you do a deep reverse search on the darker side of things and get a hit on any of these and link them?

4. You gotta think outside of your own box and place yourself in the mind of a person that doesn't want to get caught. 

5. It's not over. 


—I do not believe that I guy that had his underware custom made would randomly buy something from the internet. I think he had those pills custom made for himself.
Reply #250 posted 11/07/17 4:57am

anangellooksdown

I read recently where someone who knew Prince was talking about the caretaking of his music and said, "Prince didn't trust anyone that much."

I see Prince getting these pills himself.
Prince did a lot on the internet and I think was at the computer a lot.
I see myself saying right now, "Be careful, baby..." :cry:

If it were me and I was desperate, I'd have a PO Box or have them mailed to a friend...someone I had convinced or knew I needed them for pain.
~Paisley Park is in your heart~
Reply #251 posted 11/07/17 7:43am

Bodhitheblackdog

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

Thank you , Mumio.

I am sure that there is more information out there. It will take some time but it's coming together. As an example, let's say you dont have a prescription (per the verification program that is in Minnesota), but the narcotic that you have is not counterfeit.. How would one even do such a thing? What avenues or tools were available to get said pills?


1. What address would be used?

2. What email account would be used?

3. What name would be used?

4. What countries would you obtain things from in order to avoid detection?

3. Can you do a deep reverse search on the darker side of things and get a hit on any of these and link them?

4. You gotta think outside of your own box and place yourself in the mind of a person that doesn't want to get caught.

5. It's not over.

—I do not believe that I guy that had his underware custom made would randomly buy something from the internet. I think he had those pills custom made for himself.

Gee, why does this thought sound so familiar? Oh Yeah, I WROTE IT! A better way to express youself LR, would be to say "As Bodhi has written many times in the past..."

Reply #252 posted 11/07/17 7:57am

Menes

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

Thank you , Mumio.

I am sure that there is more information out there. It will take some time but it's coming together. As an example, let's say you dont have a prescription (per the verification program that is in Minnesota), but the narcotic that you have is not counterfeit.. How would one even do such a thing? What avenues or tools were available to get said pills?


1. What address would be used?

2. What email account would be used?

3. What name would be used?

4. What countries would you obtain things from in order to avoid detection?

3. Can you do a deep reverse search on the darker side of things and get a hit on any of these and link them?

4. You gotta think outside of your own box and place yourself in the mind of a person that doesn't want to get caught.

5. It's not over.

—I do not believe that I guy that had his underware custom made would randomly buy something from the internet. I think he had those pills custom made for himself.

When you say custom made, I guess you mean that he had a specific vendor/person that he could order (or get) any legitimate pill(as in not counterfeit) he wanted without a prescription? If so, you can do that with the thousands of no-prescription on line pharmacies around the world if you've done enough homework on which online vendor you need to use.

I think the point that you have risen is worth plenty because I don't believe any of the pills that were confiscated were ever labeled as counterfeit. Maybe they were , but I don't remember them being described as such.

For your records:

Health Outcomes in Patien...Online ...

[Edited 11/7/17 7:58am]

Reply #253 posted 11/07/17 8:40am

Bodhitheblackdog

My GI tract is shot from years of taking pain pills. I have trouble keeping food down. I’m losing weight. My throat is raw. My stomach hurts all the time. I tell the chef to make me things I can digest more easily. Everyone around me thinks I’ve been battling the ‘flu’ for months. Every time I throw up, I regurgitate at least part of the pain meds I need to keep in me to function: to walk, talk, perform, pretend I’m OK. This throws off my understanding of how much I’m getting/taking. I need to find another , more stable, way to put the pain pills in my body so they will stay there. The people who have been supplying me for years tell me how to do it and what to order mixed into the pain meds in my next batches. Much better. I keep saying it’s the ‘flu.’ No one knows….except the ME…she analyzed the post-mortem swabs of my hands.

Reply #254 posted 11/07/17 8:46am

Menes

Bodhitheblackdog said:

My GI tract is shot from years of taking pain pills. I have trouble keeping food down. I’m losing weight. My throat is raw. My stomach hurts all the time. I tell the chef to make me things I can digest more easily. Everyone around me thinks I’ve been battling the ‘flu’ for months. Every time I throw up, I regurgitate at least part of the pain meds I need to keep in me to function: to walk, talk, perform, pretend I’m OK. This throws off my understanding of how much I’m getting/taking. I need to find another , more stable, way to put the pain pills in my body so they will stay there. The people who have been supplying me for years tell me how to do it and what to order mixed into the pain meds in my next batches. Much better. I keep saying it’s the ‘flu.’ No one knows….except the ME…she analyzed the post-mortem swabs of my hands.

Interesting. Sums up a lot.

Reply #255 posted 11/07/17 8:52am

laurarichardson

Bodhitheblackdog said:

My GI tract is shot from years of taking pain pills. I have trouble keeping food down. I’m losing weight. My throat is raw. My stomach hurts all the time. I tell the chef to make me things I can digest more easily. Everyone around me thinks I’ve been battling the ‘flu’ for months. Every time I throw up, I regurgitate at least part of the pain meds I need to keep in me to function: to walk, talk, perform, pretend I’m OK. This throws off my understanding of how much I’m getting/taking. I need to find another , more stable, way to put the pain pills in my body so they will stay there. The people who have been supplying me for years tell me how to do it and what to order mixed into the pain meds in my next batches. Much better. I keep saying it’s the ‘flu.’ No one knows….except the ME…she analyzed the post-mortem swabs of my hands.

How about I am sick from these pills as well as other aliments and need pain pills to not be in pain from a rapidly accerlerating illness. I do not want people knowing my personal business because has soon as it gets out I am dying the vultures and judas's will be coming.

I want to go out in peace and quite.

Reply #256 posted 11/07/17 9:03am

laurarichardson

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

Menes said: —I do not believe that I guy that had his underware custom made would randomly buy something from the internet. I think he had those pills custom made for himself.

When you say custom made, I guess you mean that he had a specific vendor/person that he could order (or get) any legitimate pill(as in not counterfeit) he wanted without a prescription? If so, you can do that with the thousands of no-prescription on line pharmacies around the world if you've done enough homework on which online vendor you need to use.

I think the point that you have risen is worth plenty because I don't believe any of the pills that were confiscated were ever labeled as counterfeit. Maybe they were , but I don't remember them being described as such.

For your records:

Health Outcomes in Patien...Online ...

[Edited 11/7/17 7:58am]

But he would not know some random person working at a online pharmacy. I mean he knew and trusted the person who made these pills or the person who procured them. We know he had a subonxe pill and they are suppose to be hard to obtain. Do not rule out a MD being involved in all of this.

Dr. S is even suspect to me because he did not admit to writting Rx for Prince under Kirk's name to protect his privacy which is illegal.

The police would have to go thru dozens of people's names to find out if Prince used other associates names or if he got these pills straight from someone manufacturing them and wholesaling them to dealers.

I do not see him using the internet or going to some street corner. Everything he did was too stay under the radar and he did this so well the police and the DEA have hit a brick wall.

I would not be surprised if he did not reach out to someone from the old neighborhood.

Reply #257 posted 11/07/17 9:15am

Bodhitheblackdog

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

When you say custom made, I guess you mean that he had a specific vendor/person that he could order (or get) any legitimate pill(as in not counterfeit) he wanted without a prescription? If so, you can do that with the thousands of no-prescription on line pharmacies around the world if you've done enough homework on which online vendor you need to use.

I think the point that you have risen is worth plenty because I don't believe any of the pills that were confiscated were ever labeled as counterfeit. Maybe they were , but I don't remember them being described as such.

For your records:

Health Outcomes in Patien...Online ...

[Edited 11/7/17 7:58am]

But he would not know some random person working at a online pharmacy. I mean he knew and trusted the person who made these pills or the person who procured them. We know he had a subonxe pill and they are suppose to be hard to obtain. Do not rule out a MD being involved in all of this.

Dr. S is even suspect to me because he did not admit to writting Rx for Prince under Kirk's name to protect his privacy which is illegal.

The police would have to go thru dozens of people's names to find out if Prince used other associates names or if he got these pills straight from someone manufacturing them and wholesaling them to dealers.

I do not see him using the internet or going to some street corner. Everything he did was too stay under the radar and he did this so well the police and the DEA have hit a brick wall.

I would not be surprised if he did not reach out to someone from the old neighborhood.

BUT, you always point out the tabs would pay big time for this story. I seems to me, someone from "the old neighborhood" (I'm assuming you're not talking about Beverly Hills) would be uniquely vulnerable (compared to his rich show biz friends) to the temptation to sell this story.

Reply #258 posted 11/07/17 9:16am

morningsong

And from here out it's just another batch of people making up their own personal scenerios and trying to get others to agree with their spin. SSDD.

Reply #259 posted 11/07/17 9:24am

laurarichardson

Bodhitheblackdog said:

laurarichardson said:

But he would not know some random person working at a online pharmacy. I mean he knew and trusted the person who made these pills or the person who procured them. We know he had a subonxe pill and they are suppose to be hard to obtain. Do not rule out a MD being involved in all of this.

Dr. S is even suspect to me because he did not admit to writting Rx for Prince under Kirk's name to protect his privacy which is illegal.

The police would have to go thru dozens of people's names to find out if Prince used other associates names or if he got these pills straight from someone manufacturing them and wholesaling them to dealers.

I do not see him using the internet or going to some street corner. Everything he did was too stay under the radar and he did this so well the police and the DEA have hit a brick wall.

I would not be surprised if he did not reach out to someone from the old neighborhood.

BUT, you always point out the tabs would pay big time for this story. I seems to me, someone from "the old neighborhood" (I'm assuming you're not talking about Beverly Hills) would be uniquely vulnerable (compared to his rich show biz friends) to the temptation to sell this story.

Some random person working at a on-line pharmacy would be vulnerable as well. We know not one but 3 Pharmicist tried to pull his records. If someone from a pharamcy sent pills to a address or to some P.O box someone had to pick the stuff up. Now you have move then one person to keep quiet.

Anyone can see Prince studied the Godfather movie. We are hearing countless stories of stuff he did for people from paying for funerals, medical bills, rehabs and giving unqualified people jobs.

People do not forget stuff like that and some people are going to be loyal to the end. Especially if he paid them well and fixed so their involvement was not known.

Reply #260 posted 11/07/17 9:25am

Menes

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

When you say custom made, I guess you mean that he had a specific vendor/person that he could order (or get) any legitimate pill(as in not counterfeit) he wanted without a prescription? If so, you can do that with the thousands of no-prescription on line pharmacies around the world if you've done enough homework on which online vendor you need to use.

I think the point that you have risen is worth plenty because I don't believe any of the pills that were confiscated were ever labeled as counterfeit. Maybe they were , but I don't remember them being described as such.

For your records:

Health Outcomes in Patien...Online ...

[Edited 11/7/17 7:58am]

But he would not know some random person working at a online pharmacy. I mean he knew and trusted the person who made these pills or the person who procured them. We know he had a subonxe pill and they are suppose to be hard to obtain. Do not rule out a MD being involved in all of this.

Dr. S is even suspect to me because he did not admit to writting Rx for Prince under Kirk's name to protect his privacy which is illegal.

The police would have to go thru dozens of people's names to find out if Prince used other associates names or if he got these pills straight from someone manufacturing them and wholesaling them to dealers.

I do not see him using the internet or going to some street corner. Everything he did was too stay under the radar and he did this so well the police and the DEA have hit a brick wall.

I would not be surprised if he did not reach out to someone from the old neighborhood.

well LR , to pick up on the point you've made, what's your thoughts on Chaka going in to rehab for the same kind of opiate addiction sometime after his death? Any parallels to that and what you're writing here ( as in reaching out to someone from the old neighborhood)?

[Edited 11/7/17 9:26am]

Reply #261 posted 11/07/17 9:33am

laurarichardson

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

But he would not know some random person working at a online pharmacy. I mean he knew and trusted the person who made these pills or the person who procured them. We know he had a subonxe pill and they are suppose to be hard to obtain. Do not rule out a MD being involved in all of this.

Dr. S is even suspect to me because he did not admit to writting Rx for Prince under Kirk's name to protect his privacy which is illegal.

The police would have to go thru dozens of people's names to find out if Prince used other associates names or if he got these pills straight from someone manufacturing them and wholesaling them to dealers.

I do not see him using the internet or going to some street corner. Everything he did was too stay under the radar and he did this so well the police and the DEA have hit a brick wall.

I would not be surprised if he did not reach out to someone from the old neighborhood.

well LR , to pick up on the point you've made, what's your thoughts on Chaka going in to rehab for the same kind of opiate addiction sometime after his death? Any parallels to that and what you're writing here ( as in reaching out to someone from the old neighborhood)?

[Edited 11/7/17 9:26am]

Chaka Khan is not from the North side of Minneapolis. She has also been using drugs since the 1970s and been in and out of rehab countless times. So to me it means nothing.

I have done a little reading on the North side. It has always been a round part of Minneapolis and if Prince wanted to get anything he could have gotten from his old hood.

Remember T.C. Ellis said they grew up around a lot of pimps and gangsters. Even Andre Cymone said his brother Eddie who was a pimp use to manage the band and worked for Prince for a while doing security.

Remember the Godfather. I do something for you then you do something for me later down the road.

[Edited 11/7/17 9:34am]

Reply #262 posted 11/07/17 9:35am

Bodhitheblackdog

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

But he would not know some random person working at a online pharmacy. I mean he knew and trusted the person who made these pills or the person who procured them. We know he had a subonxe pill and they are suppose to be hard to obtain. Do not rule out a MD being involved in all of this.

Dr. S is even suspect to me because he did not admit to writting Rx for Prince under Kirk's name to protect his privacy which is illegal.

The police would have to go thru dozens of people's names to find out if Prince used other associates names or if he got these pills straight from someone manufacturing them and wholesaling them to dealers.

I do not see him using the internet or going to some street corner. Everything he did was too stay under the radar and he did this so well the police and the DEA have hit a brick wall.

I would not be surprised if he did not reach out to someone from the old neighborhood.

well LR , to pick up on the point you've made, what's your thoughts on Chaka going in to rehab for the same kind of opiate addiction sometime after his death? Any parallels to that and what you're writing here ( as in reaching out to someone from the old neighborhood)?

[Edited 11/7/17 9:26am]

BINGO...you can bet she's been interviewed by the detectives on the case...probably more than once.

Reply #263 posted 11/07/17 9:43am

laurarichardson

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

well LR , to pick up on the point you've made, what's your thoughts on Chaka going in to rehab for the same kind of opiate addiction sometime after his death? Any parallels to that and what you're writing here ( as in reaching out to someone from the old neighborhood)?

[Edited 11/7/17 9:26am]

BINGO...you can bet she's been interviewed by the detectives on the case...probably more than once.

And what would that have yielded? Chaka is out on tour and no one has been arrested. The police can interview every musician Prince knew or worked within an industry were hoards of people use drugs.

They are all going to say they never saw him use any. The public never saw him screw up on stage and he managed it all while high as a kite for 20 years. eek

Reply #264 posted 11/07/17 10:00am

PennyPurple

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Gee, why does this thought sound so familiar? Oh Yeah, I WROTE IT! A better way to express youself LR, would be to say "As Bodhi has written many times in the past..."

lol

Reply #265 posted 11/07/17 10:28am

Menes

Bodhitheblackdog said:

laurarichardson said:

But he would not know some random person working at a online pharmacy. I mean he knew and trusted the person who made these pills or the person who procured them. We know he had a subonxe pill and they are suppose to be hard to obtain. Do not rule out a MD being involved in all of this.

Dr. S is even suspect to me because he did not admit to writting Rx for Prince under Kirk's name to protect his privacy which is illegal.

The police would have to go thru dozens of people's names to find out if Prince used other associates names or if he got these pills straight from someone manufacturing them and wholesaling them to dealers.

I do not see him using the internet or going to some street corner. Everything he did was too stay under the radar and he did this so well the police and the DEA have hit a brick wall.

I would not be surprised if he did not reach out to someone from the old neighborhood.

BUT, you always point out the tabs would pay big time for this story. I seems to me, someone from "the old neighborhood" (I'm assuming you're not talking about Beverly Hills) would be uniquely vulnerable (compared to his rich show biz friends) to the temptation to sell this story.

So LR, we do remember when the so called drug dealer "Dr.D " first came out in the tabloids that Prince was in fact using fentanyl and percocets.This was way before the autopsy report was complete or anything was leaked from the warrants. I think we all shot him down as a loser who was looking for a pay day and fifteen minutes of fame. (I always thought law enforcement was fishing with that). What a coincidence eh?

Anyway, are we saying that the drug dealer story is in line with what you are saying about someone from the old neighborhood?

Also, if he blabbed about the history of Prince's drug use, what would preclude another drug dealer from the neighborhood doing the same (except for the thought of getting busted for revealing such a thing)?

You do know that you can get the same exact narcotic yourself that a dealer is selling and remain anonoymous even more so.

Reply #266 posted 11/07/17 11:03am

laurarichardson

Menes said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

BUT, you always point out the tabs would pay big time for this story. I seems to me, someone from "the old neighborhood" (I'm assuming you're not talking about Beverly Hills) would be uniquely vulnerable (compared to his rich show biz friends) to the temptation to sell this story.

So LR, we do remember when the so called drug dealer "Dr.D " first came out in the tabloids that Prince was in fact using fentanyl and percocets.This was way before the autopsy report was complete or anything was leaked from the warrants. I think we all shot him down as a loser who was looking for a pay day and fifteen minutes of fame. (I always thought law enforcement was fishing with that). What a coincidence eh?

Anyway, are we saying that the drug dealer story is in line with what you are saying about someone from the old neighborhood?

Also, if he blabbed about the history of Prince's drug use, what would preclude another drug dealer from the neighborhood doing the same (except for the thought of getting busted for revealing such a thing)?

You do know that you can get the same exact narcotic yourself that a dealer is selling and remain anonoymous even more so.

The percocet info was leaked by TMZ right after the plane landed my guest by Kirk or Meron and loads of people were dying from Fentenyl prior to Prince. We still have media reports saying he was not a long term user of Fentenyl. From the serch warrants no bottles of Fentenyl were found and nothing about patches were mentioned either.

For whatever reason the ME did see him as a long term Fentenyl user so this person ( who may not even exsist) was just making a lucky guess about the Fentenyl.

Once again why are you believing some random person from a tabloid but not people who are willing to give their name and tell you they never saw him using drugs. Why would anyone with a lick of common sense think that someone could abuse drugs ( using them for no reason for with no doctor involvement and abusing ) for twenty years and never miss a show. In fact be so full of energy from these drugs they would even do extra shows and then leave those shows to record more music.

Why would not one person who knew him or just randomly encountered him not be running their mouth right now to the tabloids as estates cannot sue for defamation.

Why did law enforcement not track down Dr. D for his years of admitted drug dealing?

Tabs make up stuff and we know they made up all sorts of crazy stuff the days after Prince's death because they could not get anyone to say anything negative and they still cannot after a year and a half.

What happend to him being deep in debt, being diabeitc, being almost blind (not sure how he did those shows), half dead from AIDS, 30 out of wedlock children, young 20 something models manging his affairs and so much other nonsense that neither search warrant, short ME reports, or court docs prove to be true.

Tabs make up stuff especially the brits. No drug dealer that was working with Prince has blabbed about anything because he was not working with some random dirt bag dealer.

He was working with someone he knew and trusted. I believe he was dealing with illness and whoever he was working with was well aware of it and doing as instructed.

[Edited 11/7/17 11:06am]

Reply #267 posted 11/07/17 11:06am

Menes

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

So LR, we do remember when the so called drug dealer "Dr.D " first came out in the tabloids that Prince was in fact using fentanyl and percocets.This was way before the autopsy report was complete or anything was leaked from the warrants. I think we all shot him down as a loser who was looking for a pay day and fifteen minutes of fame. (I always thought law enforcement was fishing with that). What a coincidence eh?

Anyway, are we saying that the drug dealer story is in line with what you are saying about someone from the old neighborhood?

Also, if he blabbed about the history of Prince's drug use, what would preclude another drug dealer from the neighborhood doing the same (except for the thought of getting busted for revealing such a thing)?

You do know that you can get the same exact narcotic yourself that a dealer is selling and remain anonoymous even more so.

The percocet info was leaked by TMZ right after the plane landed my guest by Kirk or Meron and loads of people were dying from Fentenyl prior to Prince. We still have media reports saying he was not a long term user of Fentenyl. From the serch warrants no bottles of Fentenyl were found and nothing about patches were mentioned either.

For whatever reason the ME did see him as a long term Fentenyl user so this person ( who may not even exsist) was just making a lucky guess about the Fentenyl.

Once again why are you believing some random person from a tabloid but not people who are willing to give their name and tell you they never saw him using drugs. Why would anyone with a lick of common sense think that someone could abuse drugs ( using them for no reason for with no doctor involvement and abusing ) for twenty years and never miss a show. In fact be so full of energy from these drugs they would even do extra shows and then leave those shows to record more music.

Why would not one person who knew him or just randomly encountered him not be running their mouth right now to the tabloids as estates cannot sue for defamation.

Why did law enforcement not track down Dr. D for his years of admitted drug dealing?

Tabs make up stuff and we know they made up all sorts of crazy stuff the days after Prince's death because they could not get anyone to say anything negative and they still cannot after a year and a half.

What happend to him being deep in debt, being diabeitc, being almost blind (not sure how he did those shows), half dead from AIDS, 30 out of wedlock children, young 20 something models manging his affairs and so much other nonsense that neither search warrant, short ME reports, or court docs prove to be true.

Tabs make up stuff especially the brits. No drug dealer that was working with Prince has blabbed about anything because he was not working with some random dirt bag dealer.

He was working with someone he knew and trusted. I believe he was dealing with illness and whoever he was working with was well aware of it and doing as instructed.

[Edited 11/7/17 11:06am]

You missed the point. It's all good. Carry on.

Reply #268 posted 11/07/17 11:17am

laurarichardson

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

The percocet info was leaked by TMZ right after the plane landed my guest by Kirk or Meron and loads of people were dying from Fentenyl prior to Prince. We still have media reports saying he was not a long term user of Fentenyl. From the serch warrants no bottles of Fentenyl were found and nothing about patches were mentioned either.

For whatever reason the ME did see him as a long term Fentenyl user so this person ( who may not even exsist) was just making a lucky guess about the Fentenyl.

Once again why are you believing some random person from a tabloid but not people who are willing to give their name and tell you they never saw him using drugs. Why would anyone with a lick of common sense think that someone could abuse drugs ( using them for no reason for with no doctor involvement and abusing ) for twenty years and never miss a show. In fact be so full of energy from these drugs they would even do extra shows and then leave those shows to record more music.

Why would not one person who knew him or just randomly encountered him not be running their mouth right now to the tabloids as estates cannot sue for defamation.

Why did law enforcement not track down Dr. D for his years of admitted drug dealing?

Tabs make up stuff and we know they made up all sorts of crazy stuff the days after Prince's death because they could not get anyone to say anything negative and they still cannot after a year and a half.

What happend to him being deep in debt, being diabeitc, being almost blind (not sure how he did those shows), half dead from AIDS, 30 out of wedlock children, young 20 something models manging his affairs and so much other nonsense that neither search warrant, short ME reports, or court docs prove to be true.

Tabs make up stuff especially the brits. No drug dealer that was working with Prince has blabbed about anything because he was not working with some random dirt bag dealer.

He was working with someone he knew and trusted. I believe he was dealing with illness and whoever he was working with was well aware of it and doing as instructed.

[Edited 11/7/17 11:06am]

You missed the point. It's all good. Carry on.

I am not missing the point. I do not agree with you. I do not think Dr. D is real or he is real he some dude getting a check from a tab for making up some nonsense. I do not think Prince got his drugs from some random dealer.

I think he got them from someone he knew very well and trusted and I do not think he was doing these drugs illegally ( abusing them ) for 20 years. I think he would have been dead a long time ago and certainly would not have continued to perform at the pace that he did.

Whoever helped thought they were helping him and they are not going to talk. A Dr. D if he exsisted would run their mouth in a minute.

Once again estates cannot sue for defamation so why are people not talking. They say we do not know the whole story and we certainly know what he died from. YOu cannot keep discounting what Tyka and people who actually knew him.

Reply #269 posted 11/07/17 11:21am

Bodhitheblackdog

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

The percocet info was leaked by TMZ right after the plane landed my guest by Kirk or Meron and loads of people were dying from Fentenyl prior to Prince. We still have media reports saying he was not a long term user of Fentenyl. From the serch warrants no bottles of Fentenyl were found and nothing about patches were mentioned either.

For whatever reason the ME did see him as a long term Fentenyl user so this person ( who may not even exsist) was just making a lucky guess about the Fentenyl.

Once again why are you believing some random person from a tabloid but not people who are willing to give their name and tell you they never saw him using drugs. Why would anyone with a lick of common sense think that someone could abuse drugs ( using them for no reason for with no doctor involvement and abusing ) for twenty years and never miss a show. In fact be so full of energy from these drugs they would even do extra shows and then leave those shows to record more music.

Why would not one person who knew him or just randomly encountered him not be running their mouth right now to the tabloids as estates cannot sue for defamation.

Why did law enforcement not track down Dr. D for his years of admitted drug dealing?

Tabs make up stuff and we know they made up all sorts of crazy stuff the days after Prince's death because they could not get anyone to say anything negative and they still cannot after a year and a half.

What happend to him being deep in debt, being diabeitc, being almost blind (not sure how he did those shows), half dead from AIDS, 30 out of wedlock children, young 20 something models manging his affairs and so much other nonsense that neither search warrant, short ME reports, or court docs prove to be true.

Tabs make up stuff especially the brits. No drug dealer that was working with Prince has blabbed about anything because he was not working with some random dirt bag dealer.

He was working with someone he knew and trusted. I believe he was dealing with illness and whoever he was working with was well aware of it and doing as instructed.

[Edited 11/7/17 11:06am]

You missed the point. It's all good. Carry on.


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Reply #270 posted 11/07/17 11:30am

laurarichardson

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

You missed the point. It's all good. Carry on.


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Reply #271 posted 11/07/17 11:34am

Dibblekins

Come on, guys sad - at the risk of being a pain (excuse the pun, lol) let's not allow this thread to spiral into antagonism - I think this time we've got a really illuminating series of posts and I'd hate to see the thread closed up as a consequence of us all getting at one another!

Reply #272 posted 11/07/17 11:35am

Menes

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

You missed the point. It's all good. Carry on.

I am not missing the point. I do not agree with you. I do not think Dr. D is real or he is real he some dude getting a check from a tab for making up some nonsense. I do not think Prince got his drugs from some random dealer.

I think he got them from someone he knew very well and trusted and I do not think he was doing these drugs illegally ( abusing them ) for 20 years. I think he would have been dead a long time ago and certainly would not have continued to perform at the pace that he did.

Whoever helped thought they were helping him and they are not going to talk. A Dr. D if he exsisted would run their mouth in a minute.

Once again estates cannot sue for defamation so why are people not talking. They say we do not know the whole story and we certainly know what he died from. YOu cannot keep discounting what Tyka and people who actually knew him.

Did you miss the part where I wrote that I thought that was "law enforcement fishing"? Which, in context ,would mean that I don't think that a drug dealer is saying that.

By now, you would've guessed that for the same reasons you suspect, I dont think any sane drug dealer would say such a thing. The point was to assess the risk someone like Prince would've taken to have that story get out by a "drug dealer" who could verify that he was purchasing drugs from him. Maybe my eyes are failing me or I may have selective memory when I write these things. It's relatively fresh though.

Maybe you didnt miss the point, but I think it is possible that you may have skipped over some of the things that were written in that post.

Reply #273 posted 11/07/17 11:46am

laurarichardson

Dibblekins said:

Come on, guys sad - at the risk of being a pain (excuse the pun, lol) let's not allow this thread to spiral into antagonism - I think this time we've got a really illuminating series of posts and I'd hate to see the thread closed up as a consequence of us all getting at one another!

I would hate to see it closed as well but everytime we seem to be getting somewhere someone gets salty. I am not sure why.

Reply #274 posted 11/07/17 11:48am

laurarichardson

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

I am not missing the point. I do not agree with you. I do not think Dr. D is real or he is real he some dude getting a check from a tab for making up some nonsense. I do not think Prince got his drugs from some random dealer.

I think he got them from someone he knew very well and trusted and I do not think he was doing these drugs illegally ( abusing them ) for 20 years. I think he would have been dead a long time ago and certainly would not have continued to perform at the pace that he did.

Whoever helped thought they were helping him and they are not going to talk. A Dr. D if he exsisted would run their mouth in a minute.

Once again estates cannot sue for defamation so why are people not talking. They say we do not know the whole story and we certainly know what he died from. YOu cannot keep discounting what Tyka and people who actually knew him.

Did you miss the part where I wrote that I thought that was "law enforcement fishing"? Which, in context ,would mean that I don't think that a drug dealer is saying that.

By now, you would've guessed that for the same reasons you suspect, I dont think any sane drug dealer would say such a thing. The point was to assess the risk someone like Prince would've taken to have that story get out by a "drug dealer" who could verify that he was purchasing drugs from him. Maybe my eyes are failing me or I may have selective memory when I write these things. It's relatively fresh though.

Maybe you didnt miss the point, but I think it is possible that you may have skipped over some of the things that were written in that post.

I am sorry I did miss it but I do not think that interview was law enforcement fishing. I just think it was some dumb tabloid trying to get internet hits.

I do not think Prince procured these drugs in a matter that would make it traceable. He did not take risk and because of this nothing is getting out.

Reply #275 posted 11/07/17 11:52am

Menes

laurarichardson said:

Dibblekins said:

Come on, guys sad - at the risk of being a pain (excuse the pun, lol) let's not allow this thread to spiral into antagonism - I think this time we've got a really illuminating series of posts and I'd hate to see the thread closed up as a consequence of us all getting at one another!

I would hate to see it closed as well but everytime we seem to be getting somewhere someone gets salty. I am not sure why.

But you have to admit, it was you who flew off the handle . In addition, your assumptions about what was written ,was clearly not accurate. That's why you got the responses that you got. I don't t think anyone wants to get salty with anything you wish to write. On the contrary , I think a lot of what you write has validity to it.

Maybe you could at least verify what exactly the person is trying to convey before you drop the hammer?

Reply #276 posted 11/07/17 11:57am

laurarichardson

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

I would hate to see it closed as well but everytime we seem to be getting somewhere someone gets salty. I am not sure why.

But you have to admit, it was you who flew off the handle . In addition, your assumptions about what was written ,was clearly not accurate. That's why you got the responses that you got. I don't t think anyone wants to get salty with anything you wish to write. On the contrary , I think a lot of what you write has validity to it.

Maybe you could at least verify what exactly the person is trying to convey before you drop the hammer?

I am not going to go on with this. I did not insult anyone an insult was hurled at me. I honestly think some fans will be very upset if they find out Prince had some terminal illness. I understand that it is upsetting. Let's us just stay on the topic.

Reply #277 posted 11/07/17 12:03pm

Menes

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

But you have to admit, it was you who flew off the handle . In addition, your assumptions about what was written ,was clearly not accurate. That's why you got the responses that you got. I don't t think anyone wants to get salty with anything you wish to write. On the contrary , I think a lot of what you write has validity to it.

Maybe you could at least verify what exactly the person is trying to convey before you drop the hammer?

I am not going to go on with this. I did not insult anyone an insult was hurled at me. I honestly think some fans will be very upset if they find out Prince had some terminal illness. I understand that it is upsetting. Let's us just stay on the topic.

Ok. I wil accept the blame for bringing up the pretend drug dealer.

Reply #278 posted 11/07/17 12:34pm

Bodhitheblackdog

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

I am not going to go on with this. I did not insult anyone an insult was hurled at me. I honestly think some fans will be very upset if they find out Prince had some terminal illness. I understand that it is upsetting. Let's us just stay on the topic.

Ok. I wil accept the blame for bringing up the pretend drug dealer.

He exists.

Reply #279 posted 11/07/17 5:13pm

morningsong

Looks like this has looped around right back to what was in the tabloids in April, 2016. Remember that drug dealer that came out making claims. So with all this research, reading and debating, we still end up right back at square one with what was printed in the tabloids from jump street. Basically, an exercise proving believing whatever you read.

Reply #280 posted 11/07/17 5:56pm

Lovejunky

morningsong said:

Looks like this has looped around right back to what was in the tabloids in April, 2016. Remember that drug dealer that came out making claims. So with all this research, reading and debating, we still end up right back at square one with what was printed in the tabloids from jump street. Basically, an exercise proving believing whatever you read.

Here is that article..or one of them anyway

http://www.dailymail.co.u...d-him.html

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #281 posted 11/07/17 6:14pm

laurarichardson

Bodhitheblackdog said:

 



Menes said:


 



laurarichardson said:


 


I am not going to go on with this. I did not insult anyone an insult was hurled at me. I honestly think some fans will be very upset if they find out Prince had some terminal illness. I understand that it is upsetting.  Let's us just stay on the topic. 



Ok. I wil accept the blame for bringing up the pretend drug dealer



He exists.


Do you think he would be announcing himself in a Tabloid?
Reply #282 posted 11/07/17 6:17pm

Mumio

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

I am not going to go on with this. I did not insult anyone an insult was hurled at me. I honestly think some fans will be very upset if they find out Prince had some terminal illness. I understand that it is upsetting. Let's us just stay on the topic.

Ok. I wil accept the blame for bringing up the pretend drug dealer.



I thought we were going to stay away from tabloid things like the pretend drug dealer in this thread? Did I misunderstand that?

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
Reply #283 posted 11/07/17 6:27pm

Menes

morningsong said:

Looks like this has looped around right back to what was in the tabloids in April, 2016. Remember that drug dealer that came out making claims. So with all this research, reading and debating, we still end up right back at square one with what was printed in the tabloids from jump street. Basically, an exercise proving believing whatever you read.

No it is not. You are doing the same thing as in assuming the point of the post. . One can read the post in its entirety and conclude that there is no riddle or great mystery about it. It is rather innoucous in the context of the conversation .


We all have had those days where something that was written and was sure to be taken out of context. However, when you start seeing an overt pattern of behavior ( as in confusing what you wrote, with what you think the person meant) you should prepare yourself for the reprisals that are certain to follow. This is normal. How you choose to deal with those reprisals is up to you.

You would have to ask LR whether it was necessary to have such an impulsive response. This is often the case, (as in , not taking the time to read the entire post clearly, in relation to what she herself posted previously). Perhaps she perceived it as an attack on the very nature of the investigation and her theory, and her response was to completely obliterate the thread with assumptions about what was posted. This will only cause a chain reaction of intense back and forth which usually ends with one party seeking mediation for emotional distress.

This thread will probably get closed again because some thrive on reacting in an irrational manner instead of carefully dissecting why a post was written. Some just don't have that kind of time and patience, and that is understandable. But if you are wholly dedicated to a very poor way of presenting a self absorbed road map simply because you can type it on a forum, one should expect continuous admonishments.

It's really not that hard to state your opinion, take incoming fire when we don't agree, and figure out how to better present your point of view. You can do this without jumping to conclusions about why the person said this or that.

All opinions on the matter are welcome, and I for one, welcome robust and vigorous debate about it on all sides.This is why I posted the facts of the warrant.Furthermore, if by chance we have auxiliary comments outside the bounds of the warrant , those too should be discussed in great detail if you believe it is relevant to what was posted in the warrant. It has been that way from the start. We just don't want to use tabloid information as central hubs for more fact-worthy document than that of the warrants themselves.


So, If you took the time to read why that came up, perhaps you would agree that no one is claiming that the person dubbed "Prince's drug dealer" is one that I would suspect of having accurate information to reveal in an interview with a tabloid. It was mentioned merely as a point of reference to point out that if a drug dealer from Prince's old neighborhood had access to something as damaging to Prince as the so called "drug dealer" revealed, why would Prince want to use a person( a drug dealer from the neighborhood) to score drugs, as opposed to using resources from an inner circle of people who have a lot more to lose, and in common with Prince?

[Edited 11/7/17 18:27pm]

Reply #284 posted 11/07/17 6:30pm

Menes

Mumio said:

Menes said:

Ok. I wil accept the blame for bringing up the pretend drug dealer.



I thought we were going to stay away from tabloid things like the pretend drug dealer in this thread? Did I misunderstand that?

See the post above and then ask LR what was the point of bringing up a drug dealer from the old neighborhood. It will all make sense then < I hope.

Reply #285 posted 11/07/17 6:46pm

Mumio

Menes said:

Mumio said:



I thought we were going to stay away from tabloid things like the pretend drug dealer in this thread? Did I misunderstand that?

See the post above and then ask LR what was the point of bringing up a drug dealer from the old neighborhood. It will all make sense then < I hope.



I understand what you are saying but I am not sure why her comment about a drug dealer from the old neighborhood took us to the tabloid article. I appreciate the info given previous to that sidestep and just wanted to find out if we are doing something different.


Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
Reply #286 posted 11/07/17 7:27pm

Menes

Mumio said:

Menes said:

See the post above and then ask LR what was the point of bringing up a drug dealer from the old neighborhood. It will all make sense then < I hope.



I understand what you are saying but I am not sure why her comment about a drug dealer from the old neighborhood took us to the tabloid article. I appreciate the info given previous to that sidestep and just wanted to find out if we are doing something different.


No , nothing different at all. If it was taken that way, a historical review of the post should hopefully clear that up. It was merely to point out that if Prince was that stupid to use the old neighborhood drug dealers that he knew from "back in the day" to get his pain meds, we might as well conclude that he didn't care about the ensuing harm that type of information could possible do... I just don't think he would risk that when they are "others/other places he could go and remain a lot more anonymous. I think he buffered himself pretty darn good from having to deal with the fallout from any of this.

Again, my apologies for any misinterpretation.

Reply #287 posted 11/07/17 7:53pm

Menes

Here's a tweet from Minn. PD in reference to a bad batch of heroin hitting the streets. This is dated 25 March, 2016. There were already reports of something out there that was causing overdoses. With the information we have about the pills found @ Paisley Park, it's interesting that no connection was made
with those and any bad batch of anything around that same time.

For your records.



Minneapolis Police on Twitter: "A very bad batch of Heroin hitting the ...



(link: http://www.kare11.com/new...105208702) kare11.com/news/drug-conc…

Reply #288 posted 11/08/17 5:38am

Dini

(my theory) Prince got his drugs off the Internet. He purchased them the way many purchase them because it feels anonymous. Unfortunately the manufacturers - probably Chinese because currently that is where a lot of the illegal Fentanyl pills originate - are not pharmacists/chemists, and they laced the drugs with a deadly dose of Fentanyl. They probably don't care about people's lives, they just care about profits. He had no current prescriptions of his own. He had no prescriptions, because he did not like or see doctors regularly. He was self medicating. He may of had other health problems, but what killed him was a deadly dose of Fentanyl - found in the pills he had scattered about his place.

Reply #289 posted 11/08/17 7:34am

NotACleverName

Menes said:



laurarichardson said:



Menes said:

When you say custom made, I guess you mean that he had a specific vendor/person that he could order (or get) any legitimate pill(as in not counterfeit) he wanted without a prescription?  If so, you can do that with the thousands of no-prescription on line pharmacies around the world if you've done enough homework on which online vendor you need to use. 

 I think the point that you have risen is worth plenty because I don't believe any of the pills that were confiscated were ever labeled as counterfeit. Maybe they were , but I don't remember them being described as such. For your records: Health Outcomes in Patients Using No-Prescription Online ...


[Edited 11/7/17 7:58am]


But he would not know some random person working at a online pharmacy. I mean he knew and trusted the person who made these pills or the person who procured them. We know he had a subonxe pill and they are suppose to be hard to obtain. Do not rule out a MD being involved in all of this. Dr. S is even suspect to me because he did not admit to writting Rx for Prince under Kirk's name to protect his privacy which is illegal. The police would have to go thru dozens of people's names to find out if Prince used other associates names or if he got these pills straight from someone manufacturing them and wholesaling them to dealers. I do not see him using the internet or going to some street corner. Everything he did was too stay under the radar and he did this so well the police and the DEA have hit a brick wall. I would not be surprised if he did not reach out to someone from the old neighborhood.


well LR , to pick up on the point you've made, what's your thoughts on Chaka going in to rehab for the same kind of opiate addiction sometime after his death? Any parallels to that and what you're writing here ( as in reaching out to someone from the old neighborhood)?[Edited 11/7/17 9:26am]


Thank you, Menes, for asking this question. While you specifically addressed LR, I am going to insert myself into this query.

Frankly, I have brought this up a couple of times. The fact that Chaka and Prince had a (roughly) two decade association and it's revealed that she (along with her sister) entered rehab to fight an addiction to Fentanyl after Prince passes as a result of a toxic ingestion of this very narcotic, is too coincidental for me. As I stated previously, it is highly unlikely Chaka was procuring her Fentanyl via legal channels. Whether or not she referred Prince to a confidential, anonymous source is anyone's best guess; however, I simply can't envision Prince seeking out a random source. There would be too much risk involved.

I honestly don't feel it's too much of a stretch to connect these two events...Prince passing of a deadly Fentanyl intoxication and Chaka entering rehab for an addiction to this very drug three months later. https://pagesix.com/2016/07/10/princes-death-prompts-chaka-khan-to-enter-rehab/

"Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann
Reply #290 posted 11/08/17 8:31am

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

Just to clear up the misconception in the above posts about the tabloid article with Dr. D being planted by law enforcement:

The article with Dr. D was published by the Daily Mail on April 23, 2016.

The search warrants verify that the Detectives were notified by phone by the Medical Examiner on May 9, 2016 that the results of P's toxicology results showed a letal dose of fentanyl.

Law enforcement went back to PP on May 10, 2016 on a Federal search warrant after learning of the toxicology results.

Remember the DEA got involved in this case and there are Federal search warrants that we have not seen.

Reply #291 posted 11/08/17 8:47am

Menes

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Just to clear up the misconception in the above posts about the tabloid article with Dr. D being planted by law enforcement:

The article with Dr. D was published by the Daily Mail on April 23, 2016.

The search warrants verify that the Detectives were notified by phone by the Medical Examiner on May 9, 2016 that the results of P's toxicology results showed a letal dose of fentanyl.

Law enforcement went back to PP on May 10, 2016 on a Federal search warrant after learning of the toxicology results.

Remember the DEA got involved in this case and there are Federal search warrants that we have not seen.

Ah ok. Thanks for that.

Reply #292 posted 11/08/17 9:17am

laurarichardson

Dini said:

(my theory) Prince got his drugs off the Internet. He purchased them the way many purchase them because it feels anonymous. Unfortunately the manufacturers - probably Chinese because currently that is where a lot of the illegal Fentanyl pills originate - are not pharmacists/chemists, and they laced the drugs with a deadly dose of Fentanyl. They probably don't care about people's lives, they just care about profits. He had no current prescriptions of his own. He had no prescriptions, because he did not like or see doctors regularly. He was self medicating. He may of had other health problems, but what killed him was a deadly dose of Fentanyl - found in the pills he had scattered about his place.

Lord a person who is not trusting is going to buy drugs off the internet? I know it is fun to blame everything on China.

He had no prescriptions under his own name buy Dr. S wrote Rxs for him under Kirk's name. Don't you think he had done this in the past using other people's names?

Don't you think he went into the hospital under a different name? The pills were not scattered about the place. Go back to the top of this topic.

Reply #293 posted 11/08/17 9:20am

laurarichardson

NotACleverName said:

Menes said:

well LR , to pick up on the point you've made, what's your thoughts on Chaka going in to rehab for the same kind of opiate addiction sometime after his death? Any parallels to that and what you're writing here ( as in reaching out to someone from the old neighborhood)?[Edited 11/7/17 9:26am]

Thank you, Menes, for asking this question. While you specifically addressed LR, I am going to insert myself into this query. Frankly, I have brought this up a couple of times. The fact that Chaka and Prince had a (roughly) two decade association and it's revealed that she (along with her sister) entered rehab to fight an addiction to Fentanyl after Prince passes as a result of a toxic ingestion of this very narcotic, is too coincidental for me. As I stated previously, it is highly unlikely Chaka was procuring her Fentanyl via legal channels. Whether or not she referred Prince to a confidential, anonymous source is anyone's best guess; however, I simply can't envision Prince seeking out a random source. There would be too much risk involved. I honestly don't feel it's too much of a stretch to connect these two events...Prince passing of a deadly Fentanyl intoxication and Chaka entering rehab for an addiction to this very drug three months later. https://pagesix.com/2016/...ter-rehab/

It is a strech because their is no proof she was in his radius and Prince was not found to be a long term user of Fentenyl. Funny how this is too much of a coincedence but all the other coincedence mean nothing. eek

Reply #294 posted 11/08/17 9:22am

laurarichardson

Menes said:

Mumio said:



I thought we were going to stay away from tabloid things like the pretend drug dealer in this thread? Did I misunderstand that?

See the post above and then ask LR what was the point of bringing up a drug dealer from the old neighborhood. It will all make sense then < I hope.

Because you brought up some nob in a tabloid. I am saying that Prince may have known people in his old neighborhood that he could have reached out to. Which is more plausible?

Getting drugs from someone you trust or some dirt bag dealer who is stupid enought to talk to the media.

Reply #295 posted 11/08/17 9:58am

Bodhitheblackdog

NotACleverName said:

Menes said:

well LR , to pick up on the point you've made, what's your thoughts on Chaka going in to rehab for the same kind of opiate addiction sometime after his death? Any parallels to that and what you're writing here ( as in reaching out to someone from the old neighborhood)?[Edited 11/7/17 9:26am]

Thank you, Menes, for asking this question. While you specifically addressed LR, I am going to insert myself into this query. Frankly, I have brought this up a couple of times. The fact that Chaka and Prince had a (roughly) two decade association and it's revealed that she (along with her sister) entered rehab to fight an addiction to Fentanyl after Prince passes as a result of a toxic ingestion of this very narcotic, is too coincidental for me. As I stated previously, it is highly unlikely Chaka was procuring her Fentanyl via legal channels. Whether or not she referred Prince to a confidential, anonymous source is anyone's best guess; however, I simply can't envision Prince seeking out a random source. There would be too much risk involved. I honestly don't feel it's too much of a stretch to connect these two events...Prince passing of a deadly Fentanyl intoxication and Chaka entering rehab for an addiction to this very drug three months later. https://pagesix.com/2016/...ter-rehab/

There isn't a lot of robust 'connecting of events' here on the Org. Like secrecy, weight loss, jaundiced skin, hospitalizations for dehydration, etc., decades-old reports of self-medicating with aspirin and wine (!) for migraine headaches (!), out-of-the-blue claims of celibacy (!), vomiting in Studio A, wig-wearing, in-your-face lyrics like Breakdown and several songs on AOA, cane use, heels-to-platform sneakers, major hypocrisy re religion and the life he actually led, cryptic Charlie Sheen references by M2, more secrecy and reclusiveness, HIV rumors, obsessive/irrational defense of any troubling behavior by a fan base self-described as an ‘army’ which enabled this man to escape the norms of reality and evade the consequences of his behaviors until he ‘ran his body down’, more weight loss, the Paris apartment ("everybody knew..."), obsession with control, indulgence in impulsiveness, inability to maintain on-going inter-personal relationships...nothing to see here folks, just move along.

Bonus observation, my favorite mantra: DENIAL IS THE STRONGEST HUMAN EMOTION.

Reply #296 posted 11/08/17 10:08am

laurarichardson

Bodhitheblackdog said:

NotACleverName said:

Menes said: Thank you, Menes, for asking this question. While you specifically addressed LR, I am going to insert myself into this query. Frankly, I have brought this up a couple of times. The fact that Chaka and Prince had a (roughly) two decade association and it's revealed that she (along with her sister) entered rehab to fight an addiction to Fentanyl after Prince passes as a result of a toxic ingestion of this very narcotic, is too coincidental for me. As I stated previously, it is highly unlikely Chaka was procuring her Fentanyl via legal channels. Whether or not she referred Prince to a confidential, anonymous source is anyone's best guess; however, I simply can't envision Prince seeking out a random source. There would be too much risk involved. I honestly don't feel it's too much of a stretch to connect these two events...Prince passing of a deadly Fentanyl intoxication and Chaka entering rehab for an addiction to this very drug three months later. https://pagesix.com/2016/...ter-rehab/

There isn't a lot of robust 'connecting of events' here on the Org. Like secrecy, weight loss, jaundiced skin, hospitalizations for dehydration, etc., decades-old reports of self-medicating with aspirin and wine (!) for migraine headaches (!), out-of-the-blue claims of celibacy (!), vomiting in Studio A, wig-wearing, in-your-face lyrics like Breakdown and several songs on AOA, cane use, heels-to-platform sneakers, major hypocrisy re religion and the life he actually led, cryptic Charlie Sheen references by M2, more secrecy and reclusiveness, HIV rumors, obsessive/irrational defense of any troubling behavior by a fan base self-described as an ‘army’ which enabled this man to escape the norms of reality and evade the consequences of his behaviors until he ‘ran his body down’, more weight loss, the Paris apartment ("everybody knew..."), obsession with control, indulgence in impulsiveness, inability to maintain on-going inter-personal relationships...nothing to see here folks, just move along.

Bonus observation, my favorite mantra: DENIAL IS THE STRONGEST HUMAN EMOTION.

So you are in denial about his sister's comments and the other associates who have told us we do not know the whole story. Because that is a lot of denial. He was so wacked on drugs for 20 years but he remembered to get his Vitamin D and ran up a 65k hospital obtaining those Vitamin D pills.

[Edited 11/8/17 12:23pm]

Reply #297 posted 11/08/17 12:15pm

RJOrion

Bodhitheblackdog said:

NotACleverName said:

Menes said: Thank you, Menes, for asking this question. While you specifically addressed LR, I am going to insert myself into this query. Frankly, I have brought this up a couple of times. The fact that Chaka and Prince had a (roughly) two decade association and it's revealed that she (along with her sister) entered rehab to fight an addiction to Fentanyl after Prince passes as a result of a toxic ingestion of this very narcotic, is too coincidental for me. As I stated previously, it is highly unlikely Chaka was procuring her Fentanyl via legal channels. Whether or not she referred Prince to a confidential, anonymous source is anyone's best guess; however, I simply can't envision Prince seeking out a random source. There would be too much risk involved. I honestly don't feel it's too much of a stretch to connect these two events...Prince passing of a deadly Fentanyl intoxication and Chaka entering rehab for an addiction to this very drug three months later. https://pagesix.com/2016/...ter-rehab/

There isn't a lot of robust 'connecting of events' here on the Org. Like secrecy, weight loss, jaundiced skin, hospitalizations for dehydration, etc., decades-old reports of self-medicating with aspirin and wine (!) for migraine headaches (!), out-of-the-blue claims of celibacy (!), vomiting in Studio A, wig-wearing, in-your-face lyrics like Breakdown and several songs on AOA, cane use, heels-to-platform sneakers, major hypocrisy re religion and the life he actually led, cryptic Charlie Sheen references by M2, more secrecy and reclusiveness, HIV rumors, obsessive/irrational defense of any troubling behavior by a fan base self-described as an ‘army’ which enabled this man to escape the norms of reality and evade the consequences of his behaviors until he ‘ran his body down’, more weight loss, the Paris apartment ("everybody knew..."), obsession with control, indulgence in impulsiveness, inability to maintain on-going inter-personal relationships...nothing to see here folks, just move along.

Bonus observation, my favorite mantra: DENIAL IS THE STRONGEST HUMAN EMOTION.

Bodhitheblackdog, with maybe the realest, most common sense, well developed comment ive ever read here ...well done...damn

Reply #298 posted 11/08/17 12:19pm

Bodhitheblackdog

RJOrion said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

There isn't a lot of robust 'connecting of events' here on the Org. Like secrecy, weight loss, jaundiced skin, hospitalizations for dehydration, etc., decades-old reports of self-medicating with aspirin and wine (!) for migraine headaches (!), out-of-the-blue claims of celibacy (!), vomiting in Studio A, wig-wearing, in-your-face lyrics like Breakdown and several songs on AOA, cane use, heels-to-platform sneakers, major hypocrisy re religion and the life he actually led, cryptic Charlie Sheen references by M2, more secrecy and reclusiveness, HIV rumors, obsessive/irrational defense of any troubling behavior by a fan base self-described as an ‘army’ which enabled this man to escape the norms of reality and evade the consequences of his behaviors until he ‘ran his body down’, more weight loss, the Paris apartment ("everybody knew..."), obsession with control, indulgence in impulsiveness, inability to maintain on-going inter-personal relationships...nothing to see here folks, just move along.

Bonus observation, my favorite mantra: DENIAL IS THE STRONGEST HUMAN EMOTION.

Bodhitheblackdog, with maybe the realest, most common sense, well developed comment ive ever read here ...well done...damn

Thanks, Bro yes

Reply #299 posted 11/08/17 12:29pm

ThatWhiteDude

Bodhitheblackdog said:

NotACleverName said:

Menes said: Thank you, Menes, for asking this question. While you specifically addressed LR, I am going to insert myself into this query. Frankly, I have brought this up a couple of times. The fact that Chaka and Prince had a (roughly) two decade association and it's revealed that she (along with her sister) entered rehab to fight an addiction to Fentanyl after Prince passes as a result of a toxic ingestion of this very narcotic, is too coincidental for me. As I stated previously, it is highly unlikely Chaka was procuring her Fentanyl via legal channels. Whether or not she referred Prince to a confidential, anonymous source is anyone's best guess; however, I simply can't envision Prince seeking out a random source. There would be too much risk involved. I honestly don't feel it's too much of a stretch to connect these two events...Prince passing of a deadly Fentanyl intoxication and Chaka entering rehab for an addiction to this very drug three months later. https://pagesix.com/2016/...ter-rehab/

There isn't a lot of robust 'connecting of events' here on the Org. Like secrecy, weight loss, jaundiced skin, hospitalizations for dehydration, etc., decades-old reports of self-medicating with aspirin and wine (!) for migraine headaches (!), out-of-the-blue claims of celibacy (!), vomiting in Studio A, wig-wearing, in-your-face lyrics like Breakdown and several songs on AOA, cane use, heels-to-platform sneakers, major hypocrisy re religion and the life he actually led, cryptic Charlie Sheen references by M2, more secrecy and reclusiveness, HIV rumors, obsessive/irrational defense of any troubling behavior by a fan base self-described as an ‘army’ which enabled this man to escape the norms of reality and evade the consequences of his behaviors until he ‘ran his body down’, more weight loss, the Paris apartment ("everybody knew..."), obsession with control, indulgence in impulsiveness, inability to maintain on-going inter-personal relationships...nothing to see here folks, just move along.

Bonus observation, my favorite mantra: DENIAL IS THE STRONGEST HUMAN EMOTION.

Bod, I could kiss you for that comment biggrin You're keeping it real

"Like books and BLACK LIVES, Albums still MATTER."
Reply #300 posted 11/08/17 12:43pm

Bodhitheblackdog

ThatWhiteDude said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

There isn't a lot of robust 'connecting of events' here on the Org. Like secrecy, weight loss, jaundiced skin, hospitalizations for dehydration, etc., decades-old reports of self-medicating with aspirin and wine (!) for migraine headaches (!), out-of-the-blue claims of celibacy (!), vomiting in Studio A, wig-wearing, in-your-face lyrics like Breakdown and several songs on AOA, cane use, heels-to-platform sneakers, major hypocrisy re religion and the life he actually led, cryptic Charlie Sheen references by M2, more secrecy and reclusiveness, HIV rumors, obsessive/irrational defense of any troubling behavior by a fan base self-described as an ‘army’ which enabled this man to escape the norms of reality and evade the consequences of his behaviors until he ‘ran his body down’, more weight loss, the Paris apartment ("everybody knew..."), obsession with control, indulgence in impulsiveness, inability to maintain on-going inter-personal relationships...nothing to see here folks, just move along.

Bonus observation, my favorite mantra: DENIAL IS THE STRONGEST HUMAN EMOTION.

Bod, I could kiss you for that comment biggrin You're keeping it real

What do you mean 'could'?...DO IT kiss

Reply #301 posted 11/08/17 1:08pm

ThatWhiteDude

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Bod, I could kiss you for that comment biggrin You're keeping it real

What do you mean 'could'?...DO IT kiss

kiss kiss kiss

"Like books and BLACK LIVES, Albums still MATTER."
Reply #302 posted 11/08/17 3:52pm

Dini

laurarichardson said:

Dini said:

(my theory) Prince got his drugs off the Internet. He purchased them the way many purchase them because it feels anonymous. Unfortunately the manufacturers - probably Chinese because currently that is where a lot of the illegal Fentanyl pills originate - are not pharmacists/chemists, and they laced the drugs with a deadly dose of Fentanyl. They probably don't care about people's lives, they just care about profits. He had no current prescriptions of his own. He had no prescriptions, because he did not like or see doctors regularly. He was self medicating. He may of had other health problems, but what killed him was a deadly dose of Fentanyl - found in the pills he had scattered about his place.

Lord a person who is not trusting is going to buy drugs off the internet? I know it is fun to blame everything on China.

He had no prescriptions under his own name buy Dr. S wrote Rxs for him under Kirk's name. Don't you think he had done this in the past using other people's names?

Don't you think he went into the hospital under a different name? The pills were not scattered about the place. Go back to the top of this topic.

This is exactly why he would buy them off the Internet. No one needs to know. No one to spread the word. People can buy drugs anonymously. It was just that one prescription. Where did he get the other pills? Lots of people, unfortunately, buy drugs off the Internet.

Reply #303 posted 11/08/17 4:03pm

purplerabbithole

it must be nice to be omniscient... I don't entirely disagree with the red flags you pointed out, but I think there is room for differing interpretations of this complicated, charismatic, unique, hardworking, secretative man who none of us know...and who continued to work in impressive ways up until the end of his days. Going by what you constantly chose to focus on where P is concerned, it seems you don't see much else than this man's flaws and weaknesses.

Also, lay off the man's hair. Give him something other than shame and pathetic self-delusion.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

NotACleverName said:

Menes said: Thank you, Menes, for asking this question. While you specifically addressed LR, I am going to insert myself into this query. Frankly, I have brought this up a couple of times. The fact that Chaka and Prince had a (roughly) two decade association and it's revealed that she (along with her sister) entered rehab to fight an addiction to Fentanyl after Prince passes as a result of a toxic ingestion of this very narcotic, is too coincidental for me. As I stated previously, it is highly unlikely Chaka was procuring her Fentanyl via legal channels. Whether or not she referred Prince to a confidential, anonymous source is anyone's best guess; however, I simply can't envision Prince seeking out a random source. There would be too much risk involved. I honestly don't feel it's too much of a stretch to connect these two events...Prince passing of a deadly Fentanyl intoxication and Chaka entering rehab for an addiction to this very drug three months later. https://pagesix.com/2016/...ter-rehab/

There isn't a lot of robust 'connecting of events' here on the Org. Like secrecy, weight loss, jaundiced skin, hospitalizations for dehydration, etc., decades-old reports of self-medicating with aspirin and wine (!) for migraine headaches (!), out-of-the-blue claims of celibacy (!), vomiting in Studio A, wig-wearing, in-your-face lyrics like Breakdown and several songs on AOA, cane use, heels-to-platform sneakers, major hypocrisy re religion and the life he actually led, cryptic Charlie Sheen references by M2, more secrecy and reclusiveness, HIV rumors, obsessive/irrational defense of any troubling behavior by a fan base self-described as an ‘army’ which enabled this man to escape the norms of reality and evade the consequences of his behaviors until he ‘ran his body down’, more weight loss, the Paris apartment ("everybody knew..."), obsession with control, indulgence in impulsiveness, inability to maintain on-going inter-personal relationships...nothing to see here folks, just move along.

Bonus observation, my favorite mantra: DENIAL IS THE STRONGEST HUMAN EMOTION.

[Edited 11/8/17 16:11pm]

Reply #304 posted 11/08/17 4:48pm

Menes

Dini said:

(my theory) Prince got his drugs off the Internet. He purchased them the way many purchase them because it feels anonymous. Unfortunately the manufacturers - probably Chinese because currently that is where a lot of the illegal Fentanyl pills originate - are not pharmacists/chemists, and they laced the drugs with a deadly dose of Fentanyl. They probably don't care about people's lives, they just care about profits. He had no current prescriptions of his own. He had no prescriptions, because he did not like or see doctors regularly. He was self medicating. He may of had other health problems, but what killed him was a deadly dose of Fentanyl - found in the pills he had scattered about his place.

Yea, that's ususally the best way to stay anonymous (on line off shore pharmacies) since there is no requirement to present identification, validate ones address,etc. You could use an ill gotten credit card or your grandmothers SS check and pay for a shipment. They will process the payment.

At the risk of being redundant:


a. Sure, the originating and manufacturing points of said pill(s) that contain toxic levels of fentanyl may never be traced back to the "source".

b. The seller or the buyer may not know what specific levels of "x" are in the pills.

c. I wouldn't completely rule out a doctor/pharmacist/chemist, but they are not my first choice as to where and how the pills were procured. My reasons for ruling these (3) out is because of the amount of pills, the wide assortment of pills, and as you mentioned, self administering of said pills. I think at some point any person in the aforementioned profession would've had a large blinking neon stop sign glaring at them that signified, eventual overdose.

d. Now, I want to proceed with caution when I write part (e) because I can't confirm with multiple reputable sources of what I understand to be a leaked report . YMMV so process it as you will as I am trying to verify a few things. If I can get a few more hits that I believe to be credible and runs parallel to the investigation ,I will post additional info.

e. According to local news reports in Minnesota, Prince's toxicology report revealed a blood fentanyl level that was measured at 67. 8 milligrams. Three(3) is considered as fatal by experts. That would be about an increase of 2160% .


f. His liver fentanyl topped 435 milligrams. Anything above 67 is considered to be toxic. That would mean an increase of 549.25%

g. His gastric fentanyl registered 14,000. Processing.

h. In looking at some sample autopsy reports regarding death by fentanyl overdose, these numbers would be extraordinarily flabbergasting (maybe I'm miscalculating what I see). They are extreme enough to lead one to assume that this was some kind of 'special'. What is of particular interest is that if this was a product of local distribution, this wouldn't be the giant secret that it is to this day.

h; Nothing in that house screams special.

Reply #305 posted 11/08/17 5:02pm

morningsong

Not on the warrant but I'd wouldn't call AARP news tabloid either. But there is a truth not even being considered here. I've posted this before.

In the take was $5 million worth of the asthma medication Advair, some of which later surfaced for sale to the public at 22 pharmacies in Texas, where it had entered the vast and dangerous black market for prescription drugs.

By all accounts, the drug supply in the United States is among the safest and most controlled in the world. But it's under a growing threat from organized and white-collar criminals pushing stolen, out-of-date, adulterated or fake medications. They make their way into pharmacies, nursing homes, hospitals and doctors' offices. At best, they are suspect because they are sold outside of the regulated supply chains. At worst, they may be medically worthless or even toxic.

Since 2010, nearly 1,400 adverse reactions related to counterfeit drugs have been reported to the FDA, according to data compiled by FDAble, a company that tracks undesirable reactions caused by medications and medical devices. The reports don't reflect the true size of the problem. Most people who use counterfeit or compromised medications never find out about it. If they have an adverse reaction, or don't get well, they rarely imagine a counterfeit drug may have been the cause. How many people are harmed or killed by suspect drugs? No one knows. According to Bruce Foucart, director of the National Intellectual Property Rights Coordination Center, which was established in 1999 to fight counterfeiting, "It's very difficult to prove" — even when a person dies. "Unless a complete autopsy was done, we will never know the answer."

Illicit drugs are most likely to target Americans age 50 or older, who are responsible for 71 percent of outpatient prescriptions. A series of recent breaches shows that crooks who once focused on drugs like Botox and Viagra have turned to lifesaving drugs, including medications for cancer, high cholesterol and mental health conditions.

Federal agents seized nearly $73 million in counterfeit drugs in 2014, Foucart says. But that's a tiny slice of the black market drug trade, which may exceed $200 billion internationally and account for 10 percent of the pharmaceuticals in the global supply chain. Investigators have turned up links to Russian and Armenian crime families, but some of the biggest players are American white-collar criminals who have found a niche targeting the most expensive drugs paid for by Medicare Part D.

https://www.aarp.org/health/drugs-supplements/info-2016/counterfeit-prescription-drugs-rx.html
Reply #306 posted 11/08/17 5:41pm

Menes

morningsong said:

Not on the warrant but I'd wouldn't call AARP news tabloid either. But there is a truth not even being considered here. I've posted this before. In the take was $5 million worth of the asthma medication Advair, some of which later surfaced for sale to the public at 22 pharmacies in Texas, where it had entered the vast and dangerous black market for prescription drugs. By all accounts, the drug supply in the United States is among the safest and most controlled in the world. But it's under a growing threat from organized and white-collar criminals pushing stolen, out-of-date, adulterated or fake medications. They make their way into pharmacies, nursing homes, hospitals and doctors' offices. At best, they are suspect because they are sold outside of the regulated supply chains. At worst, they may be medically worthless or even toxic. Since 2010, nearly 1,400 adverse reactions related to counterfeit drugs have been reported to the FDA, according to data compiled by FDAble, a company that tracks undesirable reactions caused by medications and medical devices. The reports don't reflect the true size of the problem. Most people who use counterfeit or compromised medications never find out about it. If they have an adverse reaction, or don't get well, they rarely imagine a counterfeit drug may have been the cause. How many people are harmed or killed by suspect drugs? No one knows. According to Bruce Foucart, director of the National Intellectual Property Rights Coordination Center, which was established in 1999 to fight counterfeiting, "It's very difficult to prove" — even when a person dies. "Unless a complete autopsy was done, we will never know the answer." Illicit drugs are most likely to target Americans age 50 or older, who are responsible for 71 percent of outpatient prescriptions. A series of recent breaches shows that crooks who once focused on drugs like Botox and Viagra have turned to lifesaving drugs, including medications for cancer, high cholesterol and mental health conditions. Federal agents seized nearly $73 million in counterfeit drugs in 2014, Foucart says. But that's a tiny slice of the black market drug trade, which may exceed $200 billion internationally and account for 10 percent of the pharmaceuticals in the global supply chain. Investigators have turned up links to Russian and Armenian crime families, but some of the biggest players are American white-collar criminals who have found a niche targeting the most expensive drugs paid for by Medicare Part D. https://www.aarp.org/heal...gs-rx.html

Good post as it relates to fake medications and them making there way into "pharmacies , nursing homes, hospital and doctor's offices".

I still can't find anything that would tie watson853/a349 to mass black market sales ,whether on the street or said institutions. They are not popular "illicit" narcotics for black market resale or mass distribution. This is why for me, the self medicating Prince, is different from the narcotic dependent Prince. There are some who may disagree and contend that the two are mutually exclusive. However, there is empirical evidence to support that this is not unusual.


Reply #307 posted 11/08/17 5:57pm

morningsong

By the Partnership for SafeMedicines. Tons of articles about the fentanyl epidemic and counterfeit medication. They even have the news by state, Minnesota is on the list.

http://www.safemedicines.org/policymakers-media/fentanyl-pills-ravaging-american-communities


The DEA reports that pills containing fentanyl or its analogues are manufactured in Canada or Mexico and smuggled across the border, but they're also made domestically when Americans buy powdered fentanyl and pill presses (often from China) to distribute it themselves. The drugs are so toxic that investigators have to wear HAZMAT suits to avoid exposure.


Reply #308 posted 11/08/17 6:44pm

Menes

Jesus, I might need to have a conversation wtih some double distilled because I'm going down the rabbit hole.


I need to calculate every single data point available in relation to any of the following:


1. Height/weight

2. Time of death stated.

3. Estimated levels of fentanyl/blood analysis.

4. Estimated Post-mortem concentrations to determine a range for time of death.

5. Estimated Ante-mortem concentrations to determine a range for time of death.

6. Though the information is scant ( if at all available), we really need to run some trial numbers and see where things shake out. Something about that elevator business is unsettling. Either you went down there , or you were there. Time will tell. Hopefully.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

* Disclaimer - I don't have any desire to become a practicing coroner or medical examiner overnight.



Reply #309 posted 11/08/17 6:56pm

Lovejunky

Menes said:

Jesus, I might need to have a conversation wtih some double distilled because I'm going down the rabbit hole.


I need to calculate every single data point available in relation to any of the following:


1. Height/weight

2. Time of death stated.

3. Estimated levels of fentanyl/blood analysis.

4. Estimated Post-mortem concentrations to determine a range for time of death.

5. Estimated Ante-mortem concentrations to determine a range for time of death.

6. Though the information is scant ( if at all available), we really need to run some trial numbers and see where things shake out. Something about that elevator business is unsettling. Either you went down there , or you were there. Time will tell. Hopefully.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

* Disclaimer - I don't have any desire to become a practicing coroner or medical examiner overnight.



Menes..this thread has some discussion on the above

http://prince.org/msg/7/442603

NOTE::

"Toxicology results revealed Prince's blood fentanyl level measured 67.8 milligrams. Three is considered fatal by experts. His liver fentanyl level topped 435 milligrams. Anything above 69 is toxic, according to
investigators. And his gastric fentanyl registered at 14,000, an extraordinarily high amount, and more than his 112-pound body could handle, according to sources."

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #310 posted 11/08/17 7:18pm

Menes

Lovejunky said:

Menes said:

Jesus, I might need to have a conversation wtih some double distilled because I'm going down the rabbit hole.


I need to calculate every single data point available in relation to any of the following:


1. Height/weight

2. Time of death stated.

3. Estimated levels of fentanyl/blood analysis.

4. Estimated Post-mortem concentrations to determine a range for time of death.

5. Estimated Ante-mortem concentrations to determine a range for time of death.

6. Though the information is scant ( if at all available), we really need to run some trial numbers and see where things shake out. Something about that elevator business is unsettling. Either you went down there , or you were there. Time will tell. Hopefully.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

* Disclaimer - I don't have any desire to become a practicing coroner or medical examiner overnight.



Menes..this thread has some discussion on the above

http://prince.org/msg/7/442603

NOTE::

"Toxicology results revealed Prince's blood fentanyl level measured 67.8 milligrams. Three is considered fatal by experts. His liver fentanyl level topped 435 milligrams. Anything above 69 is toxic, according to
investigators. And his gastric fentanyl registered at 14,000, an extraordinarily high amount, and more than his 112-pound body could handle, according to sources."

10-4 , saw that one. That thread went sideways quick. I hope I didn't step on any toes by repeating the same information in my previous post in reply #5. No one did any further analysis or some basic analytical chemistry to at least try and figure out what those numbers could mean. I bet we could harness some valuable information from all of it. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Reply #311 posted 11/08/17 7:43pm

Mumio

Menes said:

Lovejunky said:

10-4 , saw that one. That thread went sideways quick. I hope I didn't step on any toes by repeating the same information in my previous post in reply #5. No one did any further analysis or some basic analytical chemistry to at least try and figure out what those numbers could mean. I bet we could harness some valuable information from all of it. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

I'll just repeat what I said the first time this information came up here: unsubstantiated information. There is no proof whatsoever that the so-called toxicology numbers are real. Nothing should be surmised from numbers like that where there is no supporting documentation, those numbers mean nothing.

You aren't stepping on any toes, but this info isn't valid with no proof behind it.

[Edited 11/8/17 19:44pm]

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
Reply #312 posted 11/08/17 8:29pm

purplefam99

2045RadicalMattZ said:

 



anangellooksdown said:


"n. DEA learned that Prince's computer had several email accounts to include mistag3@ gmail..." Does anyone have any idea what mistag3 could stand for? I can't bring him back as he was, so this stood out as interesting to me. Always wanting to know more about our Prince. ❤️

My sole contrbution here: .. lOOKs like it stands for "MyStage"




simple bastardization of characters $umt#!n6 L!k3 T#!$



Like my stage 3 cancer??? Or my stage???
Reply #313 posted 11/09/17 7:12am

Menes

Mumio said:

Menes said:

10-4 , saw that one. That thread went sideways quick. I hope I didn't step on any toes by repeating the same information in my previous post in reply #5. No one did any further analysis or some basic analytical chemistry to at least try and figure out what those numbers could mean. I bet we could harness some valuable information from all of it. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

I'll just repeat what I said the first time this information came up here: unsubstantiated information. There is no proof whatsoever that the so-called toxicology numbers are real. Nothing should be surmised from numbers like that where there is no supporting documentation, those numbers mean nothing.

You aren't stepping on any toes, but this info isn't valid with no proof behind it.

[Edited 11/8/17 19:44pm]

So was it tabloid generated or a leak that came from a reliable/reputable news agency?

Reply #314 posted 11/09/17 9:16am

laurarichardson

Dini said:

laurarichardson said:

Lord a person who is not trusting is going to buy drugs off the internet? I know it is fun to blame everything on China.

He had no prescriptions under his own name buy Dr. S wrote Rxs for him under Kirk's name. Don't you think he had done this in the past using other people's names?

Don't you think he went into the hospital under a different name? The pills were not scattered about the place. Go back to the top of this topic.

This is exactly why he would buy them off the Internet. No one needs to know. No one to spread the word. People can buy drugs anonymously. It was just that one prescription. Where did he get the other pills? Lots of people, unfortunately, buy drugs off the Internet.

But he was not known for being a trusting person. It is a matter of not knowing who you are dealing with and it sounds like he could be really paranoid at times. I just do not see someone with those traits being anything from an unknown person.

We know that Kirk knew what was going on and Prince trusted him. We know his sister knows a few things because Prince trusted her.

These pills can be made right in the good old USA and Prince had enough money to have this done.

If you keep thinking that he did things just like everyone else you are going down the wrong road.

Everything this dude had right down to his shoes was custom made. Why would he not have his drugs custom made. In additon, their is no data that supports fentenyl being placed in the Watson 385s This drug was discontinued in 2015 and I have found nothing stating that these pills are being mixed Fentenyl in the streets.

Makes me question how Dr. S was able to write a script for Kirk for this stuff. Futher investigation needs to be done into to that but we do not know if it was done or what the results were concerning the pain pill Dr. S wrote for Kirk. Were they even legit or could that have been tampered with?

[Edited 11/9/17 9:21am]

Reply #315 posted 11/09/17 9:22am

laurarichardson

Menes said:

Mumio said:

I'll just repeat what I said the first time this information came up here: unsubstantiated information. There is no proof whatsoever that the so-called toxicology numbers are real. Nothing should be surmised from numbers like that where there is no supporting documentation, those numbers mean nothing.

You aren't stepping on any toes, but this info isn't valid with no proof behind it.

[Edited 11/8/17 19:44pm]

So was it tabloid generated or a leak that came from a reliable/reputable news agency?

Yes, I think it came from one of the local T.V stations in Minneapolis.

Reply #316 posted 11/09/17 9:42am

morningsong

laurarichardson said:

Dini said:

This is exactly why he would buy them off the Internet. No one needs to know. No one to spread the word. People can buy drugs anonymously. It was just that one prescription. Where did he get the other pills? Lots of people, unfortunately, buy drugs off the Internet.

But he was not known for being a trusting person. It is a matter of not knowing who you are dealing with and it sounds like he could be really paranoid at times. I just do not see someone with those traits being anything from an unknown person.

We know that Kirk knew what was going on and Prince trusted him. We know his sister knows a few things because Prince trusted her.

These pills can be made right in the good old USA and Prince had enough money to have this done.

If you keep thinking that he did things just like everyone else you are going down the wrong road.

Everything this dude had right down to his shoes was custom made. Why would he not have his drugs custom made. In additon, their is no data that supports fentenyl being placed in the Watson 385s This drug was discontinued in 2015 and I have found nothing stating that these pills are being mixed Fentenyl in the streets.

Makes me question how Dr. S was able to write a script for Kirk for this stuff. Futher investigation needs to be done into to that but we do not know if it was done or what the results were concerning the pain pill Dr. S wrote for Kirk. Were they even legit or could that have been tampered with?

[Edited 11/9/17 9:21am]



It is not unique (or extra ordinary) for an individual to have their clothes custom made especially when they have the financial means to do so. Heck I've had stuff made for me. Given his stature it would make perfect sense having clothes custom made to fit him better including his shoes. That does not automatically translate into having pills custom made, thereby proving case solved. Sure, it is possible but highly unprobable. Extra ordinary claims and all that.

Reply #317 posted 11/09/17 9:46am

Menes

laurarichardson said:

Dini said:

This is exactly why he would buy them off the Internet. No one needs to know. No one to spread the word. People can buy drugs anonymously. It was just that one prescription. Where did he get the other pills? Lots of people, unfortunately, buy drugs off the Internet.

But he was not known for being a trusting person. It is a matter of not knowing who you are dealing with and it sounds like he could be really paranoid at times. I just do not see someone with those traits being anything from an unknown person.

We know that Kirk knew what was going on and Prince trusted him. We know his sister knows a few things because Prince trusted her.

These pills can be made right in the good old USA and Prince had enough money to have this done.

If you keep thinking that he did things just like everyone else you are going down the wrong road.

Everything this dude had right down to his shoes was custom made. Why would he not have his drugs custom made. In additon, their is no data that supports fentenyl being placed in the Watson 385s This drug was discontinued in 2015 and I have found nothing stating that these pills are being mixed Fentenyl in the streets.

Makes me question how Dr. S was able to write a script for Kirk for this stuff. Futher investigation needs to be done into to that but we do not know if it was done or what the results were concerning the pain pill Dr. S wrote for Kirk. Were they even legit or could that have been tampered with?

[Edited 11/9/17 9:21am]

LR,

I agree with you that Prince was not known to be a trusting person and could be paranoid at times. I think Dini is stating that someone with those exact traits , lots to lose and the possibility of doing time for procuring illicit narcotics, would go to any lengths to avoid detection. It is possible that he had a middleman to procure said narcotics but that usually means that you can still be implicated.

Now, if I have an anonymous identity on line, and various ways to pay without it being linked to me (coupled with a multiple places to receive said narcotics) , as a superstar, I would use those resources in order to avoid detection.

The thought of Prince going to jail for getting caught up in the local narcotics trade is a brutal thought. Do you know how many packs of Newports ,Kools and Raman noodles would be offered up for the first taste of that?

[Edited 11/9/17 9:48am]

Reply #318 posted 11/09/17 9:52am

laurarichardson

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

But he was not known for being a trusting person. It is a matter of not knowing who you are dealing with and it sounds like he could be really paranoid at times. I just do not see someone with those traits being anything from an unknown person.

We know that Kirk knew what was going on and Prince trusted him. We know his sister knows a few things because Prince trusted her.

These pills can be made right in the good old USA and Prince had enough money to have this done.

If you keep thinking that he did things just like everyone else you are going down the wrong road.

Everything this dude had right down to his shoes was custom made. Why would he not have his drugs custom made. In additon, their is no data that supports fentenyl being placed in the Watson 385s This drug was discontinued in 2015 and I have found nothing stating that these pills are being mixed Fentenyl in the streets.

Makes me question how Dr. S was able to write a script for Kirk for this stuff. Futher investigation needs to be done into to that but we do not know if it was done or what the results were concerning the pain pill Dr. S wrote for Kirk. Were they even legit or could that have been tampered with?

[Edited 11/9/17 9:21am]

LR,

I agree with you that Prince was not known to be a trusting person and could be paranoid at times. I think Dini is stating that someone with those exact traits , lots to lose and the possibility of doing time for procuring illicit narcotics, would go to any lengths to avoid detection. It is possible that he had a middleman to procure said narcotics but that usually means that you can still be implicated.

Now, if I have an anonymous identity on line, and various ways to pay without it being linked to me (coupled with a multiple places to receive said narcotics) , as a superstar, I would use those resources in order to avoid detection.

The thought of Prince going to jail for getting caught up in the local narcotics trade is a brutal thought. Do you know how many packs of Newports ,Kools and Raman noodles would be offered up for the first taste of that?

[Edited 11/9/17 9:48am]

The key word is middleman. One of which was working for him. People in China have made dog food and baby food that was posionous.

[Edited 11/9/17 9:52am]

Reply #319 posted 11/09/17 10:13am

Menes

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

So was it tabloid generated or a leak that came from a reliable/reputable news agency?

Yes, I think it came from one of the local T.V stations in Minneapolis.

I saw that it was reported by a lot of local Minnesota news agencies initially and then picked up by the tabloids and morphed into something else. Hence, blurring the lines of what may be true or not.

Though it may be a futile exercise, we can run with it and analyze the data just to see what sense we could make of it. We should be able to determine whether or not it is compelling enough to correlate with what is in the warrant( re: where he was found and time of death).

For the sake of emphasis , any help would be greatly appreciated, as it seems that we have a lot of comments about what it is ,or what it is not, and how this thread is nothing but conspiratorial. Those same people have very little ( if any) input when it comes to the analysis of anything. They would rather hide behind org notes and visit other threads to voice their concern about the anaylsis . Your Prince fans.

Reply #320 posted 11/09/17 11:14am

morningsong

DEA Warns That More Types...he Horizon

October 30, 2017

In their just-released 2017 Drug Threat Assessment, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) has sounded the alarm about the role counterfeit prescription pills are playing an increasingly dangerous role in national opioid deaths.


DEA-Counterfeit-Oxycodone-300x166.jpg
Counterfeit Oxycodone Tablets Containing Fentanyl. Source: DEA

Read the entire DEA 2017 Drug Threat Assessment here.

Overview

The threat posed by controlled prescription drug (CPD) abuse is prevalent. Every year since 2001, CPDs, specifically opioid analgesics have been linked to the largest number of overdose deaths of any illicit drug class, outpacing those for cocaine and heroin combined. Cocaine, psychostimulants with abuse potential, and heroin overdose deaths are also on the rise (see Figure 12). According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), opioids — which include prescription opioids, heroin, and fentanyl — represented 63% of the approximately 52,000 drug overdoses in 2015.

[Edited 11/9/17 11:18am]

Reply #321 posted 11/09/17 11:23am

morningsong

According to CBCNews Manitoba, an extradition hearing date is set for five Winnipeg men accused of illegally importing and selling $78 million worth of misbranded and counterfeit drugs to American doctors from 2009 to 2012. Kristjan Thorkelson, Thomas Haughton, Ronald Sigurdson, Darren Chalus and Troy Nakamura will appear in the Manitoba Court of Queen’s Bench during the week of May 7, 2018 to face an extradition request the U.S Department of Justice for their roles in the CanadaDrugs.com case.

Reply #322 posted 11/09/17 6:38pm

Mumio

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

Yes, I think it came from one of the local T.V stations in Minneapolis.

I saw that it was reported by a lot of local Minnesota news agencies initially and then picked up by the tabloids and morphed into something else. Hence, blurring the lines of what may be true or not.

Though it may be a futile exercise, we can run with it and analyze the data just to see what sense we could make of it. We should be able to determine whether or not it is compelling enough to correlate with what is in the warrant( re: where he was found and time of death).

For the sake of emphasis , any help would be greatly appreciated, as it seems that we have a lot of comments about what it is ,or what it is not, and how this thread is nothing but conspiratorial. Those same people have very little ( if any) input when it comes to the analysis of anything. They would rather hide behind org notes and visit other threads to voice their concern about the anaylsis . Your Prince fans.



Menes, I think there is a great deal of what you'd put up previous to this tox info that was good intel. But this tox info is just hearsay and we can't really use those numbers because we don't know that they are valid. If we were to "run with it" we are going to come up with some type of answer that may not/won't be based in reality because those numbers are questionable. We'll be back in the same place as previous threads discussing this were.

I love the way you have put things out there in a very logical format, but this piece doesn't fit in there.




Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
Reply #323 posted 11/09/17 7:17pm

Menes

Mumio said:

Menes said:

I saw that it was reported by a lot of local Minnesota news agencies initially and then picked up by the tabloids and morphed into something else. Hence, blurring the lines of what may be true or not.

Though it may be a futile exercise, we can run with it and analyze the data just to see what sense we could make of it. We should be able to determine whether or not it is compelling enough to correlate with what is in the warrant( re: where he was found and time of death).

For the sake of emphasis , any help would be greatly appreciated, as it seems that we have a lot of comments about what it is ,or what it is not, and how this thread is nothing but conspiratorial. Those same people have very little ( if any) input when it comes to the analysis of anything. They would rather hide behind org notes and visit other threads to voice their concern about the anaylsis . Your Prince fans.



Menes, I think there is a great deal of what you'd put up previous to this tox info that was good intel. But this tox info is just hearsay and we can't really use those numbers because we don't know that they are valid. If we were to "run with it" we are going to come up with some type of answer that may not/won't be based in reality because those numbers are questionable. We'll be back in the same place as previous threads discussing this were.

I love the way you have put things out there in a very logical format, but this piece doesn't fit in there.




Understood. I had already crunched some numbers some time back and let's just say, there would be a huge uproar. I'll just preserve it as a personal project and keep that piece out . Thanks for your input.

Reply #324 posted 11/09/17 8:25pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

I talked to a detective today and he explained the DarkWeb to me.

It is encrypted.

It is like Amazon.

The dealers are rated and reviews given.

You pay with bitcoins which can also be encrypted.

Due to all the encryption law enforcement cannot follow the trail.

There is so much fentanyl going around that the dealers that buy off the DarkWeb

test the drugs they buy to see if there is fentanyl in the drugs they purchase.

pimp2

[Edited 11/9/17 20:25pm]

Reply #325 posted 11/09/17 10:27pm

Menes

September 19th, 2016 warrant:

Toggle down to the paragraph beginning with : On Monday , 05-09-16 ( ME call)



The paragraph after that indicates that" the investigation into Prince's death began focusing on where Prince obtained the fentanyl and controlled narcotic prescription medication located in his bedroom the day of his death and who gave it to him".

They already knew where the Oxycodone prescription came from because Dr Schulenberg's statement on 4-21-2016 told them so. There would be no need to confirm the same information .

1. Is the statement saying that this medication is the same one or another medication?

2. Is the statement saying that the fentanyl is separate from the medication that was found in the bedroom?

3. Is the statement saying that the medication and the fentanyl are one?

Reply #326 posted 11/10/17 7:24am

XxAxX

this has been debunked, but a police officer in Arkansas actually warned shoppers to make use of sanitation cleaning wipes before touching the handles of shopping carts, due to the danger of potential exposure to Fentanyl. eek

http://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article183639531.html

morningsong said:

DEA Warns That More Types...he Horizon

October 30, 2017

In their just-released 2017 Drug Threat Assessment, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) has sounded the alarm about the role counterfeit prescription pills are playing an increasingly dangerous role in national opioid deaths.


DEA-Counterfeit-Oxycodone-300x166.jpg
Counterfeit Oxycodone Tablets Containing Fentanyl. Source: DEA

Read the entire DEA 2017 Drug Threat Assessment here.

Overview

The threat posed by controlled prescription drug (CPD) abuse is prevalent. Every year since 2001, CPDs, specifically opioid analgesics have been linked to the largest number of overdose deaths of any illicit drug class, outpacing those for cocaine and heroin combined. Cocaine, psychostimulants with abuse potential, and heroin overdose deaths are also on the rise (see Figure 12). According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), opioids — which include prescription opioids, heroin, and fentanyl — represented 63% of the approximately 52,000 drug overdoses in 2015.

[Edited 11/9/17 11:18am]

Reply #327 posted 11/10/17 2:23pm

mikeyaddict

purplefam99 said:

2045RadicalMattZ said:

 



anangellooksdown said:


"n. DEA learned that Prince's computer had several email accounts to include mistag3@ gmail..." Does anyone have any idea what mistag3 could stand for? I can't bring him back as he was, so this stood out as interesting to me. Always wanting to know more about our Prince. ❤️

My sole contrbution here: .. lOOKs like it stands for "MyStage"




simple bastardization of characters $umt#!n6 L!k3 T#!$



Like my stage 3 cancer??? Or my stage???


My stage 3. I think perhaps the nail has been hit. I wonder when this address was created. 2014 onwards would be kinda telling.
Comin str8 outta Preston...
Reply #328 posted 11/10/17 3:59pm

Dibblekins

mikeyaddict said:

purplefam99 said:
Like my stage 3 cancer??? Or my stage???
My stage 3. I think perhaps the nail has been hit. I wonder when this address was created. 2014 onwards would be kinda telling.



I don't think it's MyStage3 - the 3 = E (in stagE).

Reply #329 posted 11/10/17 6:52pm

Morgaine

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

So LR, we do remember when the so called drug dealer "Dr.D " first came out in the tabloids that Prince was in fact using fentanyl and percocets.This was way before the autopsy report was complete or anything was leaked from the warrants. I think we all shot him down as a loser who was looking for a pay day and fifteen minutes of fame. (I always thought law enforcement was fishing with that). What a coincidence eh?

Anyway, are we saying that the drug dealer story is in line with what you are saying about someone from the old neighborhood?

Also, if he blabbed about the history of Prince's drug use, what would preclude another drug dealer from the neighborhood doing the same (except for the thought of getting busted for revealing such a thing)?

You do know that you can get the same exact narcotic yourself that a dealer is selling and remain anonoymous even more so.

The percocet info was leaked by TMZ right after the plane landed my guest by Kirk or Meron and loads of people were dying from Fentenyl prior to Prince. We still have media reports saying he was not a long term user of Fentenyl. From the serch warrants no bottles of Fentenyl were found and nothing about patches were mentioned either.

For whatever reason the ME did see him as a long term Fentenyl user so this person ( who may not even exsist) was just making a lucky guess about the Fentenyl.

I don't recall reading this in any of the official and publicly available documents. Can you tell me where this statement comes from?

Once again why are you believing some random person from a tabloid but not people who are willing to give their name and tell you they never saw him using drugs. Why would anyone with a lick of common sense think that someone could abuse drugs ( using them for no reason for with no doctor involvement and abusing ) for twenty years and never miss a show. In fact be so full of energy from these drugs they would even do extra shows and then leave those shows to record more music.

I've seen no proof that P abused drugs for 20+ years but I've read past bandmates, friends, etc. talk about various injuries he sustained over the years: he was human and must have had physical consequences from doing 2000+ live shows, many in high heels, jumping off pianos, etc.

I believe the 'energy' you reference is more likely the result of adrenalin and its affects, which btw can produce a state/states of euphoria.

Unfortunately, there is a wide variety of variables and a lack of verifiable evidence which imho makes it impossible to come up with a theory.

Peace & Be Wild

[Edited 11/7/17 11:06am]

The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul
Reply #330 posted 11/10/17 7:56pm

purplefam99

mikeyaddict said:

purplefam99 said:



Like my stage 3 cancer??? Or my stage???


My stage 3. I think perhaps the nail has been hit. I wonder when this address was created. 2014 onwards would be kinda telling.




Mikey, I thought it telling as well, perhaps. Even the other email name Peter Bravestrong. Needing to be like peter brave and strong, but why....? Mistag3???

If nothing else it is weird.
Reply #331 posted 11/10/17 8:14pm

PennyPurple

My Stage, like the World is HIS stage.


?

Reply #332 posted 11/10/17 8:39pm

purplefam99

PennyPurple said:

My Stage, like the World is HIS stage. 



?




Yes I offered that possibility as well to the original person who first deciphered
It as mystage, given the Peter Bravestrong and tyka’s
Comment I lean to mistag3= my stage 3, but again ??
Reply #333 posted 11/10/17 11:48pm

mikeyaddict

Dibblekins said:

 



mikeyaddict said:


purplefam99 said:
Like my stage 3 cancer??? Or my stage???

My stage 3. I think perhaps the nail has been hit. I wonder when this address was created. 2014 onwards would be kinda telling.



I don't think it's MyStage3 - the 3 = E (in stagE).



Yeah, I totally see that, but coupled with everything else it isn’t too much of a reach. That’s why I was pondering around when that was created.
Comin str8 outta Preston...
Reply #334 posted 11/11/17 7:26am

XxAxX

i do not think Prince would have advertised his medical condition through the use of an email handle

Reply #335 posted 11/11/17 8:16am

purplefam99

XxAxX said:

i do not think Prince would have advertised his medical condition through the use of an email handle

but he used words and song to communicate in this exact fashion, how would this be any different.

and Peter BraveStrong???? and sending a pic/and song to Andre (per tyka) without much else.

seems his modus.

[Edited 11/11/17 8:19am]

Reply #336 posted 11/11/17 10:42am

Menes

purplefam99 said:

XxAxX said:

i do not think Prince would have advertised his medical condition through the use of an email handle

but he used words and song to communicate in this exact fashion, how would this be any different.

and Peter BraveStrong???? and sending a pic/and song to Andre (per tyka) without much else.

seems his modus.

[Edited 11/11/17 8:19am]

Picking up on the point...Is that Prince instagram page official?

Reply #337 posted 11/11/17 11:16am

muleFunk

Dini said:

laurarichardson said:

Lord a person who is not trusting is going to buy drugs off the internet? I know it is fun to blame everything on China.

He had no prescriptions under his own name buy Dr. S wrote Rxs for him under Kirk's name. Don't you think he had done this in the past using other people's names?

Don't you think he went into the hospital under a different name? The pills were not scattered about the place. Go back to the top of this topic.

This is exactly why he would buy them off the Internet. No one needs to know. No one to spread the word. People can buy drugs anonymously. It was just that one prescription. Where did he get the other pills? Lots of people, unfortunately, buy drugs off the Internet.

Why would he buy them off the internet when he was getting Kirk to get them legally via doctors?

He could have easily gotten them from others doing the same thing.

There was no need to get pills from unknown sources period.

Reply #338 posted 11/11/17 12:51pm

purplefam99

Menes said:

 



purplefam99 said:


 



XxAxX said:


i do not think Prince would have advertised his medical condition through the use of an email handle 



but he used words and song to communicate in this exact fashion, how would this be any different.


and Peter BraveStrong????  and sending a pic/and song to Andre (per tyka) without much else.


seems his modus.


[Edited 11/11/17 8:19am]



Picking up on the point...Is that Prince instagram page official?




Menes I don’t have Instagram so I don’t know the answer to that.
Reply #339 posted 11/11/17 1:34pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

Menes said:

purplefam99 said:

but he used words and song to communicate in this exact fashion, how would this be any different.

and Peter BraveStrong???? and sending a pic/and song to Andre (per tyka) without much else.

seems his modus.

[Edited 11/11/17 8:19am]

Picking up on the point...Is that Prince instagram page official?

Yes it is. He called it Princetagram or something similar.

Reply #340 posted 11/11/17 2:18pm

Menes

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Menes said:

Picking up on the point...Is that Prince instagram page official?

Yes it is. He called it Princetagram or something similar.

is this his instagram?

PRINCESTAGRAM on Instagram: “CHOCOLATE OVERDOSE ...

Reply #341 posted 11/11/17 2:36pm

morningsong





fentanyl-opioid_2-2300.jpg




fentanyl-opioid_2-2300.jpg






Law enforcement and public health officials say they are alarmed by the rate at which fentanyl has infiltrated the illicit drug market and how it is transforming the face of the drug crisis, which resulted in 60,000 fatal overdoses in 2016, more than half of which were from opioids.

[Edited 11/11/17 14:38pm]

Reply #342 posted 11/11/17 2:44pm

morningsong

In 2015, Customs alerted the DEA about one such pill press that arrived from China. The DEA got a warrant to place a GPS tracker inside the shipment and traced it to Gary Resnik, a 32-year-old man.

When they searched Resnik's home, agents found six pill presses and nearly 30 pounds of acetyl-fentanyl. The DEA alleges that Resnik and three other men were importing the synthetic opiate, making their own pills and selling them in bulk.

Authorities later charged Resnik and others with federal narcotics and money laundering in the Los Angeles area. Martin explained that pill presses have made it easier for drug dealers to make millions of dollars out of their homes, without being affiliated with any kind of big drug cartel. It's cheap and easy to order wholesale fentanyl powder and a pill press online.

For $5,000 to $6,000, Martin said, someone could potentially make $10 million worth of fake pills.

Reply #343 posted 11/11/17 4:25pm

Lovejunky

Menes said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Yes it is. He called it Princetagram or something similar.

is this his instagram?

PRINCESTAGRAM on Instagram: “CHOCOLATE OVERDOSE ...

It is Menes, and I remember when he posted that..

There was also an article that appeared in a newspaper because he had shared a LOT

of pictures over a very short period of time...

I remember being shocked by this picture after 4/21

but then a very innocent story appeared , about how it occured

It was a joke for someone,maybe Kiran SHarma

I dont remember exactly who ?DId anyone else read about that ??

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #344 posted 11/11/17 4:48pm

ThatWhiteDude

Lovejunky said:

Menes said:

is this his instagram?

PRINCESTAGRAM on Instagram: “CHOCOLATE OVERDOSE ...

It is Menes, and I remember when he posted that..

There was also an article that appeared in a newspaper because he had shared a LOT

of pictures over a very short period of time...

I remember being shocked by this picture after 4/21

but then a very innocent story appeared , about how it occured

It was a joke for someone,maybe Kiran SHarma

I dont remember exactly who ?DId anyone else read about that ??

If it was meant as a joke then it's still a little bit weird. FOR THE RECORD: I don't believe in a conspiracy in his death, I really believe it was an accident. But it's really strange that he's wearing black clothes on that picture, staging an overdose..........

Man, this was funny before he died, you know? Just a little joke. But now that he's dead and the cause is an overdose, it's really one of those posts that can send shivers down your spine.

"Like books and BLACK LIVES, Albums still MATTER."
Reply #345 posted 11/11/17 5:08pm

Menes

Lovejunky said:

Menes said:

is this his instagram?

PRINCESTAGRAM on Instagram: “CHOCOLATE OVERDOSE ...

It is Menes, and I remember when he posted that..

There was also an article that appeared in a newspaper because he had shared a LOT

of pictures over a very short period of time...

I remember being shocked by this picture after 4/21

but then a very innocent story appeared , about how it occured

It was a joke for someone,maybe Kiran SHarma

I dont remember exactly who ?DId anyone else read about that ??

The real back story to that is that he changed the caption from its original caption to the "overdose" caption you see . I only posted that to support what Purplefam99 had written concerning the way he conveyed messages. What he meant by it, only he knows. Why he changed the caption to that , only he knows.

Reply #346 posted 11/11/17 5:17pm

206Michelle

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

When you say custom made, I guess you mean that he had a specific vendor/person that he could order (or get) any legitimate pill(as in not counterfeit) he wanted without a prescription? If so, you can do that with the thousands of no-prescription on line pharmacies around the world if you've done enough homework on which online vendor you need to use.

I think the point that you have risen is worth plenty because I don't believe any of the pills that were confiscated were ever labeled as counterfeit. Maybe they were , but I don't remember them being described as such.

For your records:

Health Outcomes in Patien...Online ...

[Edited 11/7/17 7:58am]

But he would not know some random person working at a online pharmacy. I mean he knew and trusted the person who made these pills or the person who procured them. We know he had a subonxe pill and they are suppose to be hard to obtain. Do not rule out a MD being involved in all of this.

Dr. S is even suspect to me because he did not admit to writting Rx for Prince under Kirk's name to protect his privacy which is illegal.

The police would have to go thru dozens of people's names to find out if Prince used other associates names or if he got these pills straight from someone manufacturing them and wholesaling them to dealers.

I do not see him using the internet or going to some street corner. Everything he did was too stay under the radar and he did this so well the police and the DEA have hit a brick wall.

I would not be surprised if he did not reach out to someone from the old neighborhood.

Regarding Dr. Schulenburg:

"Prince documents unsealed: No meds in home were prescribed to him"

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2017/0...index.html

.

"Schulenburg is a local doctor who arrived at Paisley Park after the singer's body was found in an elevator inside the complex, according to the documents.
.
The doctor left his job at North Memorial Medical Center nearly three weeks after Prince's death.
According to a search warrant, Schulenberg told investigators he saw Prince on April 7 and April 20, and prescribed medications for Prince to be picked up at a Walgreens pharmacy. He went to Paisley Park on April 21 -- the day Prince was found -- to drop off test results, he said.
.
Schulenberg said Monday he did not prescribe any opioid painkillers to Prince."

Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
Reply #347 posted 11/11/17 7:37pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

Yes and he posted that photo.

Menes said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Yes it is. He called it Princetagram or something similar.

is this his instagram?

PRINCESTAGRAM on Instagram: “CHOCOLATE OVERDOSE ...

Reply #348 posted 11/11/17 9:00pm

laurarichardson

muleFunk said:

 



Dini said:


 



laurarichardson said:


 


Lord a person who is not trusting is going to buy drugs off the internet? I know it is fun to blame everything on China.  


 


He had no prescriptions under his own name buy Dr. S wrote Rxs for him under Kirk's  name. Don't you think he had done this in the past using other people's names? 


 


Don't you think he went into the hospital under a different name? The pills were not scattered about the place. Go back to the top of this topic. 



 


This is exactly why he would buy them off the Internet. No one needs to know. No one to spread the word. People can buy drugs anonymously. It was just that one prescription. Where did he get the other pills? Lots of people, unfortunately, buy drugs off the Internet.



 


Why would he buy them off the internet when he was getting Kirk to get them legally via doctors?


He could have easily gotten them from others doing the same thing.


 


There was no need to get pills from unknown sources period.


Exactly he got legit pills from Dr. S via Kirk and neither are doing a day of jail time.
Reply #349 posted 11/11/17 9:03pm

laurarichardson

206Michelle said:

 



laurarichardson said:


 



Menes said:


 


When you say custom made, I guess you mean that he had a specific vendor/person that he could order (or get) any legitimate pill(as in not counterfeit) he wanted without a prescription?  If so, you can do that with the thousands of no-prescription on line pharmacies around the world if you've done enough homework on which online vendor you need to use. 

 I think the point that you have risen is worth plenty because I don't believe any of the pills that were confiscated were ever labeled as counterfeit. Maybe they were , but I don't remember them being described as such.

For your records:

 Health Outcomes in Patients Using No-Prescription Online ...


[Edited 11/7/17 7:58am]



But he would not know some random person working at a online pharmacy. I mean he knew and trusted the person who made these pills or the person who procured them. We know he had a subonxe pill and they are suppose to be hard to obtain. Do not rule out a MD being involved in all of this. 


 


Dr. S is even suspect to me because he did not admit to writting Rx for Prince under Kirk's name to protect his privacy which is illegal. 


 


The police would have to go thru dozens of people's names to find out if Prince used other associates names or if he got these pills straight from someone manufacturing them and wholesaling them to dealers. 


 


I do not see him using the internet or going to some street corner. Everything he did was too stay under the radar and he did this so well the police and the DEA have hit a brick wall. 


 


I would not be surprised if he did not reach out to someone from the old neighborhood. 



Regarding Dr. Schulenburg:


 


"Prince documents unsealed: No meds in home were prescribed to him"



Source: http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/17/health/prince-death-investigation-documents/index.html


.



"Schulenburg is a local doctor who arrived at Paisley Park after the singer's body was found in an elevator inside the complex, according to the documents.

.

The doctor left his job at North Memorial Medical Center nearly three weeks after Prince's death.

According to a search warrant, Schulenberg told investigators he saw Prince on April 7 and April 20, and prescribed medications for Prince to be picked up at a Walgreens pharmacy. He went to Paisley Park on April 21 -- the day Prince was found -- to drop off test results, he said.

.

Schulenberg said Monday he did not prescribe any opioid painkillers to Prince."


 


 


Sigh, In the serch warrant Dr.S is said to have said he did prescribe painkillers to Prince written for Kirk. Dr. S then put out a press release saying he did not. You have three people who should be in cuffs and they are not.
Reply #350 posted 11/11/17 9:50pm

PennyPurple

The legit pills isn't what caused his death.

Reply #351 posted 11/12/17 5:21am

muleFunk

PennyPurple said:

The legit pills isn't what caused his death.

We've been saying this for almost 2 years now.

WE know this.

Instead of the focus being .... "OH Prince was a drug addict . " It should be why did he have 60 fake Vicodin pills when he could have gotten real ones and Where did they come from.

If those pills would have shown up after his death the DEA would have been on it like a duck on a June bug. Those pills haven't shown up anywhere outside of Paisley Park. I don't think a pill presser would have stopped at 60 pills.

Reply #352 posted 11/12/17 9:08am

wouldntulove2loveme

TypoQueen said:

laurarichardson said:
---------- I was aware of the withdrawals comment coming from his camp. Dr. S put a press release that pain pills were Kirk not Prince. Not sure way he told on himself with cops and then changed his story and appears to be getting away with it. Is it not interesting that Ondansetron ODT is often prescribed for the following. --- his medication is used alone or with other medications to prevent nausea and vomiting caused by cancer drug treatment (chemotherapy) and radiation therapy. It is also used to prevent and treat nausea and vomiting after surgery. It works by blocking one of the body's natural substances (serotonin) that causes vomiting. --- Note that Prince was suppose to be in withdrawal but Dr. S was seeing him for joint pain and none of the drugs Dr. S prescribed would have helped ween him off of pain medications or had anything to do with joint pain. I would bet that Prince had seen had doctor in the past under an assumed name either in the U.S or oversees and I bet his former manager is well aware of it. [Edited 11/2/17 11:05am] ----- Also note the drugs Doctor S prescribed. The diazepam was found in Prince's system but does anyone find it odd that he was prescribed so many drugs for anixiety along with the hydro that Kirk had? Hydroxyzine is used to treat itching caused by allergies. It is an antihistamine and works by blocking a certain natural substance (histamine) that your body makes during an allergic reaction. Hydroxyzine may also be used short-term to treat anxietyor to help you feel sleepy/relaxed before and after surgery. ------- Clonidine lowers blood pressure by decreasing the levels of certain chemicals in your blood. This allows your blood vessels to relax and your heart to beat more slowly and easily. The Catapres brand of clonidine is used to treat hypertension (high blood pressure). The Kapvay brand is used to treat attention deficit hyperactivity disorder( Valium, known as diazepam in its generic form, is a benzodiazepine primarily used for short-term relief from symptoms of anxiety disorders in children older than six months, adolescents, and adults. It may help relieve excessive worry, shortness of breath or heavy perspiration, feelings of edginess, and difficulty sleeping due to anxiety. Valium can also be used to treat alcohol withdrawal, seizures, muscle spasms, or as a relaxing agent before medical procedures. ------- The Valium should not be taken with other Certain over-the-counter, prescription medications, and supplements can increase the risk of side effects or the levels of diazepam in the body including: alcohol, antihistamines, pain relievers, muscle relaxants, or other drugs that promote sleep and relieve anxiety. Remember Andrew brought the Subxone for his as well. I am sorry but I think Prince was going to have problems even if the Fentenyl had not gotten to him. [Edited 11/2/17 11:18am] I think he had a doctor who out of his element and associates who were just as clueless. [Edited 11/2/17 11:20am]
Ondansetron can also given when ur on pain relief medication as these type of medication can cause stomach complication / vomiting. Diazepam is also used as a muscle relaxer. Clonidine is also used for pain management. neutral neutral it is difficult for doctor and patient to work out a pain medication protocol that works that also doesn’t cause other adverse complications.

Clonidine has also been used for many years as an off label treatment for nicotine and opiod withdrawls. It's a miserable drug. I was prescribed it years ago to treat insomina.

If a man is considered guilty
For what goes on in his mind
Then give me the electric chair
For all my future crimes"
Reply #353 posted 11/12/17 10:26am

Bodhitheblackdog

This toxic brew of chemicals, injested in random sequences and amounts, may also have contributed to a disturbed/non-reality-based, pre-fatal dose, idealization of 'peace', 'going home,' free-at-last of pain and loneliness, it's all in Gods' hands, whatever state of mind.

Reply #354 posted 11/12/17 10:50am

PennyPurple

muleFunk said:

PennyPurple said:

The legit pills isn't what caused his death.

We've been saying this for almost 2 years now.

WE know this.

Instead of the focus being .... "OH Prince was a drug addict . " It should be why did he have 60 fake Vicodin pills when he could have gotten real ones and Where did they come from.

If those pills would have shown up after his death the DEA would have been on it like a duck on a June bug. Those pills haven't shown up anywhere outside of Paisley Park. I don't think a pill presser would have stopped at 60 pills.

Weren't you the one who said he had leukemia?

Reply #355 posted 11/12/17 11:27am

206Michelle

laurarichardson said:

206Michelle said:

 



laurarichardson said:


 



Menes said:


 


When you say custom made, I guess you mean that he had a specific vendor/person that he could order (or get) any legitimate pill(as in not counterfeit) he wanted without a prescription?  If so, you can do that with the thousands of no-prescription on line pharmacies around the world if you've done enough homework on which online vendor you need to use. 

 I think the point that you have risen is worth plenty because I don't believe any of the pills that were confiscated were ever labeled as counterfeit. Maybe they were , but I don't remember them being described as such.

For your records:

 Health Outcomes in Patients Using No-Prescription Online ...


[Edited 11/7/17 7:58am]



But he would not know some random person working at a online pharmacy. I mean he knew and trusted the person who made these pills or the person who procured them. We know he had a subonxe pill and they are suppose to be hard to obtain. Do not rule out a MD being involved in all of this. 


 


Dr. S is even suspect to me because he did not admit to writting Rx for Prince under Kirk's name to protect his privacy which is illegal. 


 


The police would have to go thru dozens of people's names to find out if Prince used other associates names or if he got these pills straight from someone manufacturing them and wholesaling them to dealers. 


 


I do not see him using the internet or going to some street corner. Everything he did was too stay under the radar and he did this so well the police and the DEA have hit a brick wall. 


 


I would not be surprised if he did not reach out to someone from the old neighborhood. 



Regarding Dr. Schulenburg:


 


"Prince documents unsealed: No meds in home were prescribed to him"



Source: http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/17/health/prince-death-investigation-documents/index.html


.



"Schulenburg is a local doctor who arrived at Paisley Park after the singer's body was found in an elevator inside the complex, according to the documents.

.

The doctor left his job at North Memorial Medical Center nearly three weeks after Prince's death.

According to a search warrant, Schulenberg told investigators he saw Prince on April 7 and April 20, and prescribed medications for Prince to be picked up at a Walgreens pharmacy. He went to Paisley Park on April 21 -- the day Prince was found -- to drop off test results, he said.

.

Schulenberg said Monday he did not prescribe any opioid painkillers to Prince."


 


 


Sigh, In the serch warrant Dr.S is said to have said he did prescribe painkillers to Prince written for Kirk. Dr. S then put out a press release saying he did not. You have three people who should be in cuffs and they are not.


Exactly, Dr. S contradicted himself. One day he says he prescribed painkillers for Prince, but another day he says he didn’t prescribe painkillers for Prince. I wonder, did he violate HIPAA by sharing information about what he did/didn’t prescribe for Prince?
Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
Reply #356 posted 11/12/17 11:47am

Menes

laurarichardson said:

206Michelle said:

Regarding Dr. Schulenburg:

"Prince documents unsealed: No meds in home were prescribed to him"

By Sara Sidner, Rosalina Nieves and Alanne Orjoux, CNN

Updated 9:50 AM ET, Tue April 18, 2017

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2017/0...index.html

.

"Schulenburg is a local doctor who arrived at Paisley Park after the singer's body was found in an elevator inside the complex, according to the documents.
.
The doctor left his job at North Memorial Medical Center nearly three weeks after Prince's death.
According to a search warrant, Schulenberg told investigators he saw Prince on April 7 and April 20, and prescribed medications for Prince to be picked up at a Walgreens pharmacy. He went to Paisley Park on April 21 -- the day Prince was found -- to drop off test results, he said.
.
Schulenberg said Monday he did not prescribe any opioid painkillers to Prince."

Sigh, In the serch warrant Dr.S is said to have said he did prescribe painkillers to Prince written for Kirk. Dr. S then put out a press release saying he did not. You have three people who should be in cuffs and they are not.

I think the mix up is in what was found in the bottle as opposed to what was prescribed. There are two parts to this story. We know from the warrant that Schuleneberg met with Prince and prescribed him lLonidine, Hydroxyzine Pamoate and Diazepam. According to the warrant ,Kirk picked up those prescriptions on 4/20/2016 from Walgreens so you would think those were legitimate. He said that was the first time he had done something like that for Prince. That's part (1). Dr. Schulenberg' statement is that he saw Prince on two occasions. (4-7-2016 and 4-20-2016). Dr. Schulenberg also admitted that he prescribed Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the emergency plane landing (4-14-2016) but put the prescription in Kirk Johnson's name for Prince's privacy. That's part (2). That is the jist of the Dr. Schulenberg/Kirk/Prince connection.



Now, On 4-21-2016 ( the day Prince was found deceased) a suitcase was found next to his bed. Inside that suitcase were prescriptions pill bottles in the name of Johnson (this is where the confusion comes in). The examination of those pills in the suitcase revealed that not all the pills inside the containers were pills listed on the prescription. So, the prescription bottles that Kirk had in his name is legitimate but someone switched the pills to make it appear as though they were legitimate when they were not.

For instance, the Vitamin D bottle (prescription) had the Ondanestron Hydrochloride in there.

A second prescription bottle, said to contain Ondansetron , contained the controlled substance Acetaminophen/oxycodone.

The date those medications were prescribed to Johnson , according to the pill bottles , was 4/7/2016. The medications were prescribed by Dr.Schulenberg.

So in essence, the only drugs that were prescribed to Prince and are in Prince's name, are the ones Dr.Schulenberg prescribed for him that Kirk picked up on 4-20-2016. All the other pills that were found in Paisley park remains unaccounted for ( Prince's name) or having been entered into the monitor program data base.

That means that if Kirk had other prescriptions with his name on it, and only one shows up for Dr. Schulenberg in the data base, Kirk had another doctor writing prescriptions for him that has nothing to do with this case.

The big take away was who was switching out the illicit pills into legitimate prescription bottles. Either one person was setting the other up to deflect and throw off the entire investigation, or, it was pre-arranged that way by both.

[Edited 11/12/17 11:48am]

Reply #357 posted 11/12/17 11:58am

Bodhitheblackdog

PennyPurple said:

muleFunk said:

We've been saying this for almost 2 years now.

WE know this.

Instead of the focus being .... "OH Prince was a drug addict . " It should be why did he have 60 fake Vicodin pills when he could have gotten real ones and Where did they come from.

If those pills would have shown up after his death the DEA would have been on it like a duck on a June bug. Those pills haven't shown up anywhere outside of Paisley Park. I don't think a pill presser would have stopped at 60 pills.

Weren't you the one who said he had leukemia?

biggrin

Reply #358 posted 11/12/17 12:06pm

Bodhitheblackdog

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

206Michelle said: Sigh, In the serch warrant Dr.S is said to have said he did prescribe painkillers to Prince written for Kirk. Dr. S then put out a press release saying he did not. You have three people who should be in cuffs and they are not.

I think the mix up is in what was found in the bottle as opposed to what was prescribed. There are two parts to this story. We know from the warrant that Schuleneberg met with Prince and prescribed him lLonidine, Hydroxyzine Pamoate and Diazepam. According to the warrant ,Kirk picked up those prescriptions on 4/20/2016 from Walgreens so you would think those were legitimate. He said that was the first time he had done something like that for Prince. That's part (1). Dr. Schulenberg' statement is that he saw Prince on two occasions. (4-7-2016 and 4-20-2016). Dr. Schulenberg also admitted that he prescribed Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the emergency plane landing (4-14-2016) but put the prescription in Kirk Johnson's name for Prince's privacy. That's part (2). That is the jist of the Dr. Schulenberg/Kirk/Prince connection.



Now, On 4-21-2016 ( the day Prince was found deceased) a suitcase was found next to his bed. Inside that suitcase were prescriptions pill bottles in the name of Johnson (this is where the confusion comes in). The examination of those pills in the suitcase revealed that not all the pills inside the containers were pills listed on the prescription. So, the prescription bottles that Kirk had in his name is legitimate but someone switched the pills to make it appear as though they were legitimate when they were not.

For instance, the Vitamin D bottle (prescription) had the Ondanestron Hydrochloride in there.

A second prescription bottle, said to contain Ondansetron , contained the controlled substance Acetaminophen/oxycodone.

The date those medications were prescribed to Johnson , according to the pill bottles , was 4/7/2016. The medications were prescribed by Dr.Schulenberg.

So in essence, the only drugs that were prescribed to Prince and are in Prince's name, are the ones Dr.Schulenberg prescribed for him that Kirk picked up on 4-20-2016. All the other pills that were found in Paisley park remains unaccounted for ( Prince's name) or having been entered into the monitor program data base.

That means that if Kirk had other prescriptions with his name on it, and only one shows up for Dr. Schulenberg in the data base, Kirk had another doctor writing prescriptions for him that has nothing to do with this case.

The big take away was who was switching out the illicit pills into legitimate prescription bottles. Either one person was setting the other up to deflect and throw off the entire investigation, or, it was pre-arranged that way by both.

[Edited 11/12/17 11:48am]

OR were these pills just thrown around helter-skelter in drug induced fogs...percocet? oxy?

it's all good...anything that gets me out of my body. The numbers and variety of various pills, legit and street, indicate to me that's why he had been called a "pill man"...If anyone out there has ever been in close proximity to an addict, you know chaos and disorder is not unusual.

Reply #359 posted 11/12/17 12:14pm

Menes

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

I think the mix up is in what was found in the bottle as opposed to what was prescribed. There are two parts to this story. We know from the warrant that Schuleneberg met with Prince and prescribed him lLonidine, Hydroxyzine Pamoate and Diazepam. According to the warrant ,Kirk picked up those prescriptions on 4/20/2016 from Walgreens so you would think those were legitimate. He said that was the first time he had done something like that for Prince. That's part (1). Dr. Schulenberg' statement is that he saw Prince on two occasions. (4-7-2016 and 4-20-2016). Dr. Schulenberg also admitted that he prescribed Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the emergency plane landing (4-14-2016) but put the prescription in Kirk Johnson's name for Prince's privacy. That's part (2). That is the jist of the Dr. Schulenberg/Kirk/Prince connection.



Now, On 4-21-2016 ( the day Prince was found deceased) a suitcase was found next to his bed. Inside that suitcase were prescriptions pill bottles in the name of Johnson (this is where the confusion comes in). The examination of those pills in the suitcase revealed that not all the pills inside the containers were pills listed on the prescription. So, the prescription bottles that Kirk had in his name is legitimate but someone switched the pills to make it appear as though they were legitimate when they were not.

For instance, the Vitamin D bottle (prescription) had the Ondanestron Hydrochloride in there.

A second prescription bottle, said to contain Ondansetron , contained the controlled substance Acetaminophen/oxycodone.

The date those medications were prescribed to Johnson , according to the pill bottles , was 4/7/2016. The medications were prescribed by Dr.Schulenberg.

So in essence, the only drugs that were prescribed to Prince and are in Prince's name, are the ones Dr.Schulenberg prescribed for him that Kirk picked up on 4-20-2016. All the other pills that were found in Paisley park remains unaccounted for ( Prince's name) or having been entered into the monitor program data base.

That means that if Kirk had other prescriptions with his name on it, and only one shows up for Dr. Schulenberg in the data base, Kirk had another doctor writing prescriptions for him that has nothing to do with this case.

The big take away was who was switching out the illicit pills into legitimate prescription bottles. Either one person was setting the other up to deflect and throw off the entire investigation, or, it was pre-arranged that way by both.

[Edited 11/12/17 11:48am]

OR were these pills just thrown around helter-skelter in drug induced fogs...percocet? oxy?

it's all good...anything that gets me out of my body. The numbers and variety of various pills, legit and street, indicate to me that's why he had been called a "pill man"...If anyone out there has ever been in close proximity to an addict, you know chaos and disorder is not unusual.

I don't think the warrants indicate that they were thrown around "helter skelter". What is clear is that there were placed in places Prince would frequently visit and concealed in containers that looked like vitamin /prescription bottles. Easy to find, easy to identify, easy to disguise.

Reply #360 posted 11/12/17 12:39pm

GoneCrazy2016

Menes said:

 



PennyPurple said:


 



Menes said:


 


Welcome to all. 

Did anyone notice that there were six (6) people that morning when the officer arrived? I count Andrew, Merue, Kirk  and Dr. Schulenberg. Judith was already in California, I believe.  How far does Tyka live from Prince?  Why wasn't she contacted at any time that morning? 



2 paramedics, I beleive.



That may be it. 

I am still try to process why Tyka is not mentioned in the documents if she had some knowledge of him passing in the way that she mentions? It is clear that they were not aware of this "(3) year" business. 

Why would she mention it now and not then? There is an ongoing investigation ( clearly investigators think a crime was committed) and I'm not sure how what she says plays into the whole thing. It is as if it eliminates any need for further investigation.  

Thoughts anyone? 



I 100% agree. It really sux that it seems the investigation has drifted to the wayside. What I do not understand is why his "good friend" KJ, would drop him off that night after visiting the pharmacy, knowing full well what condition he was in and leave him alone. Dr. Kornfeld was contacted and told it was a life or death emergency. So WHY would he leave him alone? I would never leave a friend of mine in that condition by themselves. It bothers me that he also had full access to Paisley Park, where all of the Fentanyl was found, and some taken, regardless of the availability of alternate medication that he was used to. I am surprised that I don't see anyone else asking why he was dropped off at the front door. AND why was he found in the elevator by the front door. It is not like he was going to drive himself if he was messed up, plus his garage was under PP, and I know that he had a landline. It does not add up that he would get dressed and go to the front instead of calling someone for help. Lastly, the coroner said he had his black hat on.soooo, he got out of bed, put his clothes on including a hat, took a ride in the elevator down to the front of Paisley Park? Something smells fishy.
Reply #361 posted 11/12/17 1:47pm

Bodhitheblackdog

Menes said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

OR were these pills just thrown around helter-skelter in drug induced fogs...percocet? oxy?

it's all good...anything that gets me out of my body. The numbers and variety of various pills, legit and street, indicate to me that's why he had been called a "pill man"...If anyone out there has ever been in close proximity to an addict, you know chaos and disorder is not unusual.

I don't think the warrants indicate that they were thrown around "helter skelter". What is clear is that there were placed in places Prince would frequently visit and concealed in containers that looked like vitamin /prescription bottles. Easy to find, easy to identify, easy to disguise.

Good clarification, what I meant to convey was he was apparently taking so much different stuff of varying legitimacy...how could anyone keep it straight? Do you think when you're impaired, you can look in your "Vitamin bottle" (probably in low light) and automatically recognize the strength/legitimacy of what you procurred illegally? Serious question...

Reply #362 posted 11/12/17 2:43pm

Menes

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

I don't think the warrants indicate that they were thrown around "helter skelter". What is clear is that there were placed in places Prince would frequently visit and concealed in containers that looked like vitamin /prescription bottles. Easy to find, easy to identify, easy to disguise.

Good clarification, what I meant to convey was he was apparently taking so much different stuff of varying legitimacy...how could anyone keep it straight? Do you think when you're impaired, you can look in your "Vitamin bottle" (probably in low light) and automatically recognize the strength/legitimacy of what you procurred illegally? Serious question...

I agree with that assessment. Further, as you pointed out in an earlier post, he would not have wanted Judith to see him having an "episode " which may indicate how unreliable taking so many different things can be.

I will say this... As unreliable of a method as it may have been, when you self administer that much stuff over a period of time, there is but one glaring risk that the user understands. . He didn't start doing this on the day of the plane ride.

Reply #363 posted 11/12/17 3:04pm

Menes

GoneCrazy2016 said:

Menes said:

That may be it.

I am still try to process why Tyka is not mentioned in the documents if she had some knowledge of him passing in the way that she mentions? It is clear that they were not aware of this "(3) year" business.

Why would she mention it now and not then? There is an ongoing investigation ( clearly investigators think a crime was committed) and I'm not sure how what she says plays into the whole thing. It is as if it eliminates any need for further investigation.

Thoughts anyone?

I 100% agree. It really sux that it seems the investigation has drifted to the wayside. What I do not understand is why his "good friend" KJ, would drop him off that night after visiting the pharmacy, knowing full well what condition he was in and leave him alone. Dr. Kornfeld was contacted and told it was a life or death emergency. So WHY would he leave him alone? I would never leave a friend of mine in that condition by themselves. It bothers me that he also had full access to Paisley Park, where all of the Fentanyl was found, and some taken, regardless of the availability of alternate medication that he was used to. I am surprised that I don't see anyone else asking why he was dropped off at the front door. AND why was he found in the elevator by the front door. It is not like he was going to drive himself if he was messed up, plus his garage was under PP, and I know that he had a landline. It does not add up that he would get dressed and go to the front instead of calling someone for help. Lastly, the coroner said he had his black hat on.soooo, he got out of bed, put his clothes on including a hat, took a ride in the elevator down to the front of Paisley Park? Something smells fishy.

Ah. You should circle the wagons because you have sussed many glaring clues out. Up to you to put it all together.

Reply #364 posted 11/12/17 3:57pm

Bodhitheblackdog

Menes said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Good clarification, what I meant to convey was he was apparently taking so much different stuff of varying legitimacy...how could anyone keep it straight? Do you think when you're impaired, you can look in your "Vitamin bottle" (probably in low light) and automatically recognize the strength/legitimacy of what you procurred illegally? Serious question...

I agree with that assessment. Further, as you pointed out in an earlier post, he would not have wanted Judith to see him having an "episode " which may indicate how unreliable taking so many different things can be.

I will say this... As unreliable of a method as it may have been, when you self administer that much stuff over a period of time, there is but one glaring risk that the user understands. . He didn't start doing this on the day of the plane ride.

The question/issue of how long Prince was injesting pain meds has caused more than one thread to be locked to the detriment of the truth. So sad...especially because it feeds DENIAL and conspiracy theories here on the Org..

And this information could fully round out the picture of 1) how much organ damage he had incurred, 2) his mental/emotional state including on-going depression (switch to black clothes) and thoughts of suicide (chocolate overdose? really?),3) the various places he had traveled to to either perform, visit friends or chill (T&C) cross-referenced with what illegal drugs were available in those locals and sold by whom? The focus on Minnie is ridiculously limited, IMO. The man was a world traveler, remember?

If, as is my belief, this had been going on for years...it clarifies the reality that he could and did access drugs anywhere in the world and therefore a certain 'trail' will never be uncovered.

What will (and probably has) been uncovered is the LARGE cast of enablers. One of whom dropped him off at Paisley Park that last night and said Goodbye, Bro...for what he KNEW was the last time.

The user knows how it always ends...and so did his best and most trusted friend. And he let him go for a reason...I happen to think it was out of love.

[Edited 11/12/17 16:04pm]

Reply #365 posted 11/12/17 4:32pm

Menes

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

I agree with that assessment. Further, as you pointed out in an earlier post, he would not have wanted Judith to see him having an "episode " which may indicate how unreliable taking so many different things can be.

I will say this... As unreliable of a method as it may have been, when you self administer that much stuff over a period of time, there is but one glaring risk that the user understands. . He didn't start doing this on the day of the plane ride.

The question/issue of how long Prince was injesting pain meds has caused more than one thread to be locked to the detriment of the truth. So sad...especially because it feeds DENIAL and conspiracy theories here on the Org..

And this information could fully round out the picture of 1) how much organ damage he had incurred, 2) his mental/emotional state including on-going depression (switch to black clothes) and thoughts of suicide (chocolate overdose? really?),3) the various places he had traveled to to either perform, visit friends or chill (T&C) cross-referenced with what illegal drugs were available in those locals and sold by whom? The focus on Minnie is ridiculously limited, IMO. The man was a world traveler, remember?

If, as is my belief, this had been going on for years...it clarifies the reality that he could and did access drugs anywhere in the world and therefore a certain 'trail' will never be uncovered.

What will (and probably has) been uncovered is the LARGE cast of enablers. One of whom dropped him off at Paisley Park that last night and said Goodbye, Bro...for what he KNEW was the last time.

The user knows how it always ends...and so did his best and most trusted friend. And he let him go for a reason...I happen to think it was out of love.

[Edited 11/12/17 16:04pm]

As in assisted suicide out of love? Or was it pity? He(kirk) doesn't appear to be very sad about too much. He is( and remains) the only one that had access to go back and check that night , open the door in the morning( had keys), dropped him off at Walgreens, and, he was the last to see him right before Prince stop responding at 8 pm. This is not murder people. He wouldve been tarred and feathered a long time ago.

He told the investigators everything about the percocets on the plane, the withdrawals, the hip pain, the prescriptions,the managers that would hook Prince up with other "doctors" while on tour. I could go on and on. He saw it, and as you said, he let him go for a reason.

Reply #366 posted 11/12/17 8:45pm

206Michelle

Menes said:

 



laurarichardson said:


206Michelle said:

 


Regarding Dr. Schulenburg:


 


"Prince documents unsealed: No meds in home were prescribed to him"




By Sara Sidner, Rosalina Nieves and Alanne Orjoux, CNN


Updated 9:50 AM ET, Tue April 18, 2017




Source: http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/17/health/prince-death-investigation-documents/index.html


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"Schulenburg is a local doctor who arrived at Paisley Park after the singer's body was found in an elevator inside the complex, according to the documents.

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The doctor left his job at North Memorial Medical Center nearly three weeks after Prince's death.

According to a search warrant, Schulenberg told investigators he saw Prince on April 7 and April 20, and prescribed medications for Prince to be picked up at a Walgreens pharmacy. He went to Paisley Park on April 21 -- the day Prince was found -- to drop off test results, he said.

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Schulenberg said Monday he did not prescribe any opioid painkillers to Prince."

 


 



Sigh, In the serch warrant Dr.S is said to have said he did prescribe painkillers to Prince written for Kirk. Dr. S then put out a press release saying he did not. You have three people who should be in cuffs and they are not.

I think the mix up is in what was found in the bottle as opposed to what was prescribed. There are two parts to this story. We know from the warrant that Schuleneberg met with Prince and prescribed him lLonidine, Hydroxyzine Pamoate and Diazepam.  According to the warrant ,Kirk picked up those prescriptions on 4/20/2016 from Walgreens so you would think those were legitimate.  He said that was the first time he had done something like that for Prince.  That's part (1).  Dr. Schulenberg' statement is that he saw Prince on two occasions. (4-7-2016 and 4-20-2016). Dr. Schulenberg also admitted that he prescribed Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the emergency plane landing (4-14-2016) but put the prescription in Kirk Johnson's name for Prince's privacy.  That's part (2). That is the jist of the Dr. Schulenberg/Kirk/Prince connection.



Now, On 4-21-2016 ( the day Prince was found deceased) a suitcase was found next to his bed. Inside that suitcase were prescriptions pill bottles in the name of Johnson (this is where the confusion comes in).  The examination of those pills in the suitcase revealed that not all the pills inside the containers were pills listed on the prescription. So, the prescription bottles that Kirk had in his name is legitimate but someone switched the pills to make it appear as though they were legitimate when they were not. 

For instance, the Vitamin D bottle (prescription) had the Ondanestron Hydrochloride in there.

A second prescription bottle, said to contain Ondansetron , contained the controlled substance Acetaminophen/oxycodone.

The date those medications were prescribed to Johnson , according to the pill bottles , was 4/7/2016. The medications were prescribed by Dr.Schulenberg.  

So in essence, the only drugs that were prescribed to Prince  and are in Prince's name, are the ones Dr.Schulenberg prescribed for him that Kirk picked up on 4-20-2016. All the other pills that were found in Paisley park remains unaccounted for (  Prince's name) or having been entered into the monitor program data base.

That means that if Kirk had other prescriptions with his name on it, and only one shows up for Dr. Schulenberg in the data base, Kirk had another doctor writing prescriptions for him that has nothing to do with this case.  

The big take away was who was switching out the illicit pills into legitimate prescription bottles. Either one person was setting the other up to deflect and throw off the entire investigation, or, it was pre-arranged that way by both.  

[Edited 11/12/17 11:48am]


Could Prince have been combining pills in bottles in order to make it easier to travel with the pills? Could he have swapped bottles so that guests did not become suspicious of his painkiller use?
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Reply #367 posted 11/13/17 4:50am

laurarichardson

Menes said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

The question/issue of how long Prince was injesting pain meds has caused more than one thread to be locked to the detriment of the truth. So sad...especially because it feeds DENIAL and conspiracy theories here on the Org..

And this information could fully round out the picture of 1) how much organ damage he had incurred, 2) his mental/emotional state including on-going depression (switch to black clothes) and thoughts of suicide (chocolate overdose? really?),3) the various places he had traveled to to either perform, visit friends or chill (T&C) cross-referenced with what illegal drugs were available in those locals and sold by whom? The focus on Minnie is ridiculously limited, IMO. The man was a world traveler, remember?

If, as is my belief, this had been going on for years...it clarifies the reality that he could and did access drugs anywhere in the world and therefore a certain 'trail' will never be uncovered.

What will (and probably has) been uncovered is the LARGE cast of enablers. One of whom dropped him off at Paisley Park that last night and said Goodbye, Bro...for what he KNEW was the last time.

The user knows how it always ends...and so did his best and most trusted friend. And he let him go for a reason...I happen to think it was out of love.

[Edited 11/12/17 16:04pm]

As in assisted suicide out of love? Or was it pity? He(kirk) doesn't appear to be very sad about too much. He is( and remains) the only one that had access to go back and check that night , open the door in the morning( had keys), dropped him off at Walgreens, and, he was the last to see him right before Prince stop responding at 8 pm. This is not murder people. He wouldve been tarred and feathered a long time ago.

He told the investigators everything about the percocets on the plane, the withdrawals, the hip pain, the prescriptions,the managers that would hook Prince up with other "doctors" while on tour. I could go on and on. He saw it, and as you said, he let him go for a reason.

Kirk also got caught lying to the investigators.

Reply #368 posted 11/13/17 4:54am

laurarichardson

GoneCrazy2016 said:

Menes said:

That may be it.

I am still try to process why Tyka is not mentioned in the documents if she had some knowledge of him passing in the way that she mentions? It is clear that they were not aware of this "(3) year" business.

Why would she mention it now and not then? There is an ongoing investigation ( clearly investigators think a crime was committed) and I'm not sure how what she says plays into the whole thing. It is as if it eliminates any need for further investigation.

Thoughts anyone?

I 100% agree. It really sux that it seems the investigation has drifted to the wayside. What I do not understand is why his "good friend" KJ, would drop him off that night after visiting the pharmacy, knowing full well what condition he was in and leave him alone. Dr. Kornfeld was contacted and told it was a life or death emergency. So WHY would he leave him alone? I would never leave a friend of mine in that condition by themselves. It bothers me that he also had full access to Paisley Park, where all of the Fentanyl was found, and some taken, regardless of the availability of alternate medication that he was used to. I am surprised that I don't see anyone else asking why he was dropped off at the front door. AND why was he found in the elevator by the front door. It is not like he was going to drive himself if he was messed up, plus his garage was under PP, and I know that he had a landline. It does not add up that he would get dressed and go to the front instead of calling someone for help. Lastly, the coroner said he had his black hat on.soooo, he got out of bed, put his clothes on including a hat, took a ride in the elevator down to the front of Paisley Park? Something smells fishy.

This was discussed early on the board. Who gets dressed with clothes on backward when they are ill but takes the time to put a hat on? Why not just call an ambulance if he felt ill. Was he going to drive himself to the hospital?

Even more weird why did it take 45 minutes for Kirk to find him. He had to have known Prince was ill and late to meet with Andrew or if this was an intervention why not go up stairs to check on him.

Reply #369 posted 11/13/17 9:20am

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame



It was a statewide search of the Minnesota Registry and not for just Dr. S scripts.

They found only ONE controlled substance script for Kirk.

So there is no evidence Kirk was getting scripts for P elsewhere in Minnesota as it didnt show up in the database.

Reply #370 posted 11/13/17 9:25am

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

laurarichardson said:

Kirk also got caught lying to the investigators.

There is NOTHING in the search warrants that state Kirk was "caught lying to the investigators."

Reply #371 posted 11/13/17 9:30am

laurarichardson

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



It was a statewide search of the Minnesota Registry and not for just Dr. S scripts.

They found only ONE controlled substance script for Kirk.

So there is no evidence Kirk was getting scripts for P elsewhere in Minnesota as it didnt show up in the database.

The question is "Was it a state wise search for scripts under P's and Kirk's names. Did officials look under other associates names? If Doctor S admitted he wrote meds under assumed names to protect Prince's privacy could other doctors have done the same. Maybe in other states? I cannot imagine that the DEA or the local police would be able to go through enough names to find the numerous names that could have been used.

Even the Subxone had to come from somewhere and the Vitamin D pills. I suspect that all of this is in official reports that the media has not been able to get a hold of.

Reply #372 posted 11/13/17 9:35am

laurarichardson

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

There is NOTHING in the search warrants that state Kirk was "caught lying to the investigators."

They did not use the word lying but that said associates gave conflicting and inconsistent statements. Only two associates were on the scene. What do you think conflicting and inconsistent mean?

In addition, they did catch Kirk in a lie about the meds being prescribed to him. Something that was noted in the search warrants. Dr. S sent out a press release saying he wrote pain meds for Kirk not for Prince. Yet whose bottle did they find at the scene.

Who went out and employed an attorney that specializes in enabler cases?

Reply #373 posted 11/13/17 9:41am

PennyPurple

My guess is he never took the hat off, he had that stocking cap on at Walgreen's, and if the truth is known probably the same clothes also.

laurarichardson said:

GoneCrazy2016 said:

Menes said: I 100% agree. It really sux that it seems the investigation has drifted to the wayside. What I do not understand is why his "good friend" KJ, would drop him off that night after visiting the pharmacy, knowing full well what condition he was in and leave him alone. Dr. Kornfeld was contacted and told it was a life or death emergency. So WHY would he leave him alone? I would never leave a friend of mine in that condition by themselves. It bothers me that he also had full access to Paisley Park, where all of the Fentanyl was found, and some taken, regardless of the availability of alternate medication that he was used to. I am surprised that I don't see anyone else asking why he was dropped off at the front door. AND why was he found in the elevator by the front door. It is not like he was going to drive himself if he was messed up, plus his garage was under PP, and I know that he had a landline. It does not add up that he would get dressed and go to the front instead of calling someone for help. Lastly, the coroner said he had his black hat on.soooo, he got out of bed, put his clothes on including a hat, took a ride in the elevator down to the front of Paisley Park? Something smells fishy.

This was discussed early on the board. Who gets dressed with clothes on backward when they are ill but takes the time to put a hat on? Why not just call an ambulance if he felt ill. Was he going to drive himself to the hospital?

Even more weird why did it take 45 minutes for Kirk to find him. He had to have known Prince was ill and late to meet with Andrew or if this was an intervention why not go up stairs to check on him.

Reply #374 posted 11/13/17 10:57am

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

Meron hired an attorney also.

Is is because she is a female that you consistently leave her out of the conversation?

They said both Meron and Kirk gave inconsistent statements.

So we are to believe from that statement in the search warrant that Kirk was lying?

Meron is more believable? Is that what you took away from the search warrants?

No one should ever go in for an interview with the police without an attorney.

Ever.

Especially African American males.

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

There is NOTHING in the search warrants that state Kirk was "caught lying to the investigators."

They did not use the word lying but that said associates gave conflicting and inconsistent statements. Only two associates were on the scene. What do you think conflicting and inconsistent mean?

In addition, they did catch Kirk in a lie about the meds being prescribed to him. Something that was noted in the search warrants. Dr. S sent out a press release saying he wrote pain meds for Kirk not for Prince. Yet whose bottle did they find at the scene.

Who went out and employed an attorney that specializes in enabler cases?

Reply #375 posted 11/13/17 11:30am

laurarichardson

Why are you bringing up Meron to get away from the fact the police are stating that associates gave conflicting and incosistent statements? The only two associates at the scence were Meron and Kirk and unfortunatly for Kirk the police name check him in the documents.

I am not letting Meron off the hook it is just that they did not say her name was on an Rx bottle.

I also find it odd not that Kirk obtained an attorney but the fact that his attorney specializes in enablers. An attorney that actually has a blog with his own take on providing legal advice to enablers or people who have been accused of enabling.

I have no idea who Meron's attorney was or still may be.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Meron hired an attorney also.

Is is because she is a female that you consistently leave her out of the conversation?

They said both Meron and Kirk gave inconsistent statements.

So we are to believe from that statement in the search warrant that Kirk was lying?

Meron is more believable? Is that what you took away from the search warrants?

No one should ever go in for an interview with the police without an attorney.

Ever.

Especially African American males.

laurarichardson said:

They did not use the word lying but that said associates gave conflicting and inconsistent statements. Only two associates were on the scene. What do you think conflicting and inconsistent mean?

In addition, they did catch Kirk in a lie about the meds being prescribed to him. Something that was noted in the search warrants. Dr. S sent out a press release saying he wrote pain meds for Kirk not for Prince. Yet whose bottle did they find at the scene.

Who went out and employed an attorney that specializes in enabler cases?

Reply #376 posted 11/13/17 3:22pm

morningsong

Ok the 9th warrant was about getting a months detail on Kirk's phone. The 10th warrant states Kirk only had one prescription in his name written on 4/14/16 but he went to Walgreens to pick up prescription in his name on the 20th. They found prescription bottles in Kirk's name in Prince's belongs. Yet the warrant makes no conclusion about this contradiction. To me means a pretty sizeable hunk of information is missing. How did the Dr write prescriptions that didn't register?
Reply #377 posted 11/13/17 3:45pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

morningsong said:

Ok the 9th warrant was about getting a months detail on Kirk's phone. The 10th warrant states Kirk only had one prescription in his name written on 4/14/16 but he went to Walgreens to pick up prescription in his name on the 20th. They found prescription bottles in Kirk's name in Prince's belongs. Yet the warrant makes no conclusion about this contradiction. To me means a pretty sizeable hunk of information is missing. How did the Dr write prescriptions that didn't register?

They were non-controlled scripts and they wouldnt show up on the Minnesota Registry.

Reply #378 posted 11/13/17 4:44pm

Menes

When did Prince and 3rdeyegirl part ways/ performed last? Oct-Nov. 2015?

Reply #379 posted 11/13/17 7:44pm

purplefam99

morningsong said:

Ok the 9th warrant was about getting a months detail on Kirk's phone. The 10th warrant states Kirk only had one prescription in his name written on 4/14/16 but he went to Walgreens to pick up prescription in his name on the 20th. They found prescription bottles in Kirk's name in Prince's belongs. Yet the warrant makes no conclusion about this contradiction. To me means a pretty sizeable hunk of information is missing. How did the Dr write prescriptions that didn't register?



Why would he put pills in vitamin bottles but not take the time to remove kirks name from the bottle or put the pills in another container, like all the rest.
Reply #380 posted 11/13/17 8:24pm

purplerabbithole

I think we couild figure out more if we knew what year was on the prescription bottles under KJ's name which contained the illegal drugs. I have speculated that perhaps KJ in the past had been getting percocet etc for P under his name but (for the most part) stopped doing so when P's addiction got out of hand and Pjust had the bottles and reused them to put his internet=purchased pills in. Wouldn't it blow your mind if the bottles were from 2010. Maybe he ran out of vitamin B and aspirin bottles and just found old bottles laying around with a few percocets in them and tossed the pills he was trying to hide in them figuring that the worst people would assume would be that P was just reusing percocet from 11 years ago or that the pills were Kurt's and not his. . drug addicts trying to hide an addiction can do desperate things.

The reasons why I find it hard to believe that KJ would deliberately hide those illegal pills in bottles in his name are a.) the paper trail would lead to him and b.) I would think he would have tried to confiscate those before the cops arrived so the trail wouldn't lead directly to him.

purplefam99 said:

morningsong said:
Ok the 9th warrant was about getting a months detail on Kirk's phone. The 10th warrant states Kirk only had one prescription in his name written on 4/14/16 but he went to Walgreens to pick up prescription in his name on the 20th. They found prescription bottles in Kirk's name in Prince's belongs. Yet the warrant makes no conclusion about this contradiction. To me means a pretty sizeable hunk of information is missing. How did the Dr write prescriptions that didn't register?
Why would he put pills in vitamin bottles but not take the time to remove kirks name from the bottle or put the pills in another container, like all the rest.

[Edited 11/13/17 20:41pm]

Reply #381 posted 11/14/17 4:04am

laurarichardson

According to Dr. S's press releas he wrote Rx's for pain meds for Kirk and I do not believe it was from years ago. This is something Kirk was not honest about with the police at all. The paper trail already has led to him.

http://people.com/music/prince-doctor-never-prescribed-opioids-false-name-lawyer-claims/

A lawyer for Dr. Michael Schulenberg says that despite what recently unsealed court documents claim, her client “never directly prescribed opioids to Prince, nor did he ever prescribe opioids to any other person with the intent that they would be given to Prince.”

The legendary musician, who died of an opioid overdose on April 21 of last year, was back in the headlines Monday after recently unsealed court documents provided more clues about the circumstances surrounding his death.

According to a search warrant application submitted in September of last year, the Minnesota physician admitted to a Carver County Sheriff’s detective “that he had prescribed Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the emergency plane landing but put the prescription in Kirk Johnson’s name for Prince’s privacy.”

Johnson is a close confidante and aide who started working for Prince in the ’80s. The emergency landing happened a week before Prince’s death, when his private plane was diverted to Moline, Illinois, after the singer was “unresponsive,” and emergency crews reportedly administered a Narcan “save shot” to the singer.

Amy Conners, a lawyer for Schulenberg, issued a statement on behalf of the doctor that was obtained by PEOPLE.

“Dr. Schulenberg has been and remains committed to providing full transparency regarding his practice as it relates to the Prince investigation. Dr. Schulenberg has previously disclosed all information regarding his care and treatment of Prince to his former employer, law enforcement authorities and regulatory authorities in the course of his complete cooperation with the investigation of Prince’s death. There are no restrictions on Dr. Schulenberg’s medical license, and contrary to headlines and media reports published in the wake of [Monday]’s unsealing of search warrants relating to the investigation, Dr. Schulenberg never directly prescribed opioids to Prince, nor did he ever prescribe opioids to any other person with the intent that they would be given to Prince.”

Additional unsealed court documents claim Johnson was known to contact Schulenberg regarding “hip pain.”

“Dr. Schulenberg met with Prince and prescribed him Clonidine, Hydroxyzine Pamoate and Diazepam. On 4/20/2016, Johnson went to Walgreen’s in Minnetonka … and picked up Prince’s prescription medication. Johnson told Investigators this was the first time he had ever done something like that for Prince,” one document states.

Johnson said he was unaware the singer was addicted to pain medication, according to the documents. Witnesses, however, told authorities that Prince had recently been going through withdrawals from pain medication.

purplerabbithole said:

I think we couild figure out more if we knew what year was on the prescription bottles under KJ's name which contained the illegal drugs. I have speculated that perhaps KJ in the past had been getting percocet etc for P under his name but (for the most part) stopped doing so when P's addiction got out of hand and Pjust had the bottles and reused them to put his internet=purchased pills in. Wouldn't it blow your mind if the bottles were from 2010. Maybe he ran out of vitamin B and aspirin bottles and just found old bottles laying around with a few percocets in them and tossed the pills he was trying to hide in them figuring that the worst people would assume would be that P was just reusing percocet from 11 years ago or that the pills were Kurt's and not his. . drug addicts trying to hide an addiction can do desperate things.

The reasons why I find it hard to believe that KJ would deliberately hide those illegal pills in bottles in his name are a.) the paper trail would lead to him and b.) I would think he would have tried to confiscate those before the cops arrived so the trail wouldn't lead directly to him.

purplefam99 said:

morningsong said: Why would he put pills in vitamin bottles but not take the time to remove kirks name from the bottle or put the pills in another container, like all the rest.

[Edited 11/13/17 20:41pm]

Reply #382 posted 11/14/17 4:25am

laurarichardson

Menes said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Thanks and blessings, Menes.

Welcome to all.

Did anyone notice that there were six (6) people that morning when the officer arrived? I count Andrew, Merue, Kirk and Dr. Schulenberg. Judith was already in California, I believe. How far does Tyka live from Prince? Why wasn't she contacted at any time that morning?

Two EMT's were on the scence making a total of six. I believe Tyka lives in Minneapolis and I am sure arrived later. No evidence that she was close by at the time of his death.

Reply #383 posted 11/14/17 8:35am

morningsong

purplefam99 said:

morningsong said:

Ok the 9th warrant was about getting a months detail on Kirk's phone. The 10th warrant states Kirk only had one prescription in his name written on 4/14/16 but he went to Walgreens to pick up prescription in his name on the 20th. They found prescription bottles in Kirk's name in Prince's belongs. Yet the warrant makes no conclusion about this contradiction. To me means a pretty sizeable hunk of information is missing. How did the Dr write prescriptions that didn't register?



Why would he put pills in vitamin bottles but not take the time to remove kirks name from the bottle or put the pills in ôhjanother container, like all the rest.

I get the mixing of pills in a single bottle especially the one you travel with maybe so Kirk would see it and see he was trying. I wonder if the bottle with the 15 853s were the ones prescribed for Kirk on the 14th no description of the bottle was given. I still can't shake the possibility of a error on the 1st warrant, there's an uncorrected error on his bdate on the 10th warrant as was in the 1st warrant but was corrected. I highly doubt Dr. S prescribed 100+ 853s.
Reply #384 posted 11/14/17 12:15pm

purplefam99

morningsong said:

purplefam99 said:
Why would he put pills in vitamin bottles but not take the time to remove kirks name from the bottle or put the pills in ôhjanother container, like all the rest.
I get the mixing of pills in a single bottle especially the one you travel with maybe so Kirk would see it and see he was trying. I wonder if the bottle with the 15 853s were the ones prescribed for Kirk on the 14th no description of the bottle was given. I still can't shake the possibility of a error on the 1st warrant, there's an uncorrected error on his bdate on the 10th warrant as was in the 1st warrant but was corrected. I highly doubt Dr. S prescribed 100+ 853s.

ok thanks

Reply #385 posted 11/14/17 12:16pm

purplefam99

laurarichardson said:

According to Dr. S's press releas he wrote Rx's for pain meds for Kirk and I do not believe it was from years ago. This is something Kirk was not honest about with the police at all. The paper trail already has led to him.

http://people.com/music/prince-doctor-never-prescribed-opioids-false-name-lawyer-claims/

A lawyer for Dr. Michael Schulenberg says that despite what recently unsealed court documents claim, her client “never directly prescribed opioids to Prince, nor did he ever prescribe opioids to any other person with the intent that they would be given to Prince.”

The legendary musician, who died of an opioid overdose on April 21 of last year, was back in the headlines Monday after recently unsealed court documents provided more clues about the circumstances surrounding his death.

According to a search warrant application submitted in September of last year, the Minnesota physician admitted to a Carver County Sheriff’s detective “that he had prescribed Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the emergency plane landing but put the prescription in Kirk Johnson’s name for Prince’s privacy.”

Johnson is a close confidante and aide who started working for Prince in the ’80s. The emergency landing happened a week before Prince’s death, when his private plane was diverted to Moline, Illinois, after the singer was “unresponsive,” and emergency crews reportedly administered a Narcan “save shot” to the singer.

Amy Conners, a lawyer for Schulenberg, issued a statement on behalf of the doctor that was obtained by PEOPLE.

“Dr. Schulenberg has been and remains committed to providing full transparency regarding his practice as it relates to the Prince investigation. Dr. Schulenberg has previously disclosed all information regarding his care and treatment of Prince to his former employer, law enforcement authorities and regulatory authorities in the course of his complete cooperation with the investigation of Prince’s death. There are no restrictions on Dr. Schulenberg’s medical license, and contrary to headlines and media reports published in the wake of [Monday]’s unsealing of search warrants relating to the investigation, Dr. Schulenberg never directly prescribed opioids to Prince, nor did he ever prescribe opioids to any other person with the intent that they would be given to Prince.”

Additional unsealed court documents claim Johnson was known to contact Schulenberg regarding “hip pain.”

“Dr. Schulenberg met with Prince and prescribed him Clonidine, Hydroxyzine Pamoate and Diazepam. On 4/20/2016, Johnson went to Walgreen’s in Minnetonka … and picked up Prince’s prescription medication. Johnson told Investigators this was the first time he had ever done something like that for Prince,” one document states.

Johnson said he was unaware the singer was addicted to pain medication, according to the documents. Witnesses, however, told authorities that Prince had recently been going through withdrawals from pain medication.

purplerabbithole said:

I think we couild figure out more if we knew what year was on the prescription bottles under KJ's name which contained the illegal drugs. I have speculated that perhaps KJ in the past had been getting percocet etc for P under his name but (for the most part) stopped doing so when P's addiction got out of hand and Pjust had the bottles and reused them to put his internet=purchased pills in. Wouldn't it blow your mind if the bottles were from 2010. Maybe he ran out of vitamin B and aspirin bottles and just found old bottles laying around with a few percocets in them and tossed the pills he was trying to hide in them figuring that the worst people would assume would be that P was just reusing percocet from 11 years ago or that the pills were Kurt's and not his. . drug addicts trying to hide an addiction can do desperate things.

The reasons why I find it hard to believe that KJ would deliberately hide those illegal pills in bottles in his name are a.) the paper trail would lead to him and b.) I would think he would have tried to confiscate those before the cops arrived so the trail wouldn't lead directly to him.

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thanks LR and Rabbit

Reply #386 posted 11/14/17 1:54pm

laurarichardson

Menes said:

 



Bodhitheblackdog said:


 



Menes said:


 


I don't think the warrants indicate that they were thrown around "helter skelter". What is clear is that there were placed in places Prince would frequently visit and concealed in containers that looked like vitamin /prescription bottles. Easy to find, easy to identify, easy to disguise.



Good clarification, what I meant to convey was he was apparently taking so much different stuff of varying legitimacy...how could anyone keep it straight? Do you think when you're impaired, you can look in your "Vitamin bottle" (probably in low light) and automatically recognize the strength/legitimacy of what you procurred illegally? Serious question...



I agree with that assessment.  Further, as you pointed out in an earlier post, he would not have wanted Judith to see him having an "episode " which may indicate how unreliable taking so many different things can be.

I will say this... As unreliable of a method as it may have been, when you self administer that much stuff over a period of time, there is but one glaring risk that the user understands. . He didn't start doing this on the day of the plane ride.  


We know Dr.told Dr. S told some law enforcement official he wrote Rxs for pain meds for Kirk and the bottle was in Prince’s belongings. So not all self administered and I will never believe he just started using other people’s names in the begining of April.
Reply #387 posted 11/14/17 2:53pm

Bodhitheblackdog

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Reply #388 posted 11/14/17 2:53pm

Bodhitheblackdog

I have never understood how/why people who believe in the eternal, loving embrace of their God can be so horrified by death…especially in the face of pain, disease and all other kinds of suffering.

Would it have been better to read of Prince in diapers, hooked up to an IV morphine drip in hospice care? Do you enjoy imagining him in group therapy at Betty Ford talking about why he liked “to watch?’, why he wrote “Slave" on his face?, holding a mirror and talking about how much he misses Denise? Why aren’t 41 studio albums give or take a few, three movies, countless videos and 1000 crystal clear boots, etc. enough? Did you prefer that he collapse and die on stage?

I am at peace with the thought of him eternally in the loving arms of the God he believed in. I celebrate the fact that he never let de-elevator bring him down. I am glad he is no longer in pain or discomfort of any kind.

Prince was born and raised in a ‘going home’ tradition where only good and beautiful things await those who believe, once they can lay their weary burdens down and leave their suffering bodies behind.

He’s not ‘gone’, he’s in another world, space and joy.

Go to his music, feel that joy, the genius, feel Lovesexy, understand you can be with him like that for every day remaining in your own life. Give thanks to whatever you believe in for Prince…and then dance on and be happy for him and let him Rest in Peace.

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Reply #389 posted 11/14/17 3:33pm

morningsong

It would be nice if some people followed their own advice but they don't.


Who are you again?



Reply #390 posted 11/14/17 4:12pm

PennyPurple

Very good post!

Bodhitheblackdog said:

I have never understood how/why people who believe in the eternal, loving embrace of their God can be so horrified by death…especially in the face of pain, disease and all other kinds of suffering.

Would it have been better to read of Prince in diapers, hooked up to an IV morphine drip in hospice care? Do you enjoy imagining him in group therapy at Betty Ford talking about why he liked “to watch?’, why he wrote “Slave" on his face?, holding a mirror and talking about how much he misses Denise? Why aren’t 41 studio albums give or take a few, three movies, countless videos and 1000 crystal clear boots, etc. enough? Did you prefer that he collapse and die on stage?

I am at peace with the thought of him eternally in the loving arms of the God he believed in. I celebrate the fact that he never let de-elevator bring him down. I am glad he is no longer in pain or discomfort of any kind.

Prince was born and raised in a ‘going home’ tradition where only good and beautiful things await those who believe, once they can lay their weary burdens down and leave their suffering bodies behind.

He’s not ‘gone’, he’s in another world, space and joy.

Go to his music, feel that joy, the genius, feel Lovesexy, understand you can be with him like that for every day remaining in your own life. Give thanks to whatever you believe in for Prince…and then dance on and be happy for him and let him Rest in Peace.

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Reply #391 posted 11/14/17 5:04pm

daingermouz2020

ThatWhiteDude said:

 



Bodhitheblackdog said:


 



Menes said:


 


That may be it. 

I am still try to process why Tyka is not mentioned in the documents if she had some knowledge of him passing in the way that she mentions? It is clear that they were not aware of this "(3) year" business. 

Why would she mention it now and not then? There is an ongoing investigation ( clearly investigators think a crime was committed) and I'm not sure how what she says plays into the whole thing. It is as if it eliminates any need for further investigation.  

Thoughts anyone? 



Please, everyone stay calm and rational, but perhaps out of wisdom/knowledge gained from her own battles with drug addiction she saw 2 years before his death that if he didn't get into locked-down treatment immediately..there was going to be an inevitable crash and burn two years down the road.


 


Want to know every little thing about drugs and what they do to your body? Ask a drug user. She knew. An I'm sure when she mentioned treatment (Like Prince had paid for for her...like any loving sister would have suggeted) he said ,'No way'...so that's why she was prepared for the call. It's never been mysterious to me.



Could be true, maybe that's why she won't get more specific, she could be afraid of the backlash if Fans knew that.



What exactly is Tyka supposed to do? She's really quite powerless to do anything.Prince is a grown man and bread winner.
Reply #392 posted 11/14/17 5:23pm

morningsong

daingermouz2020 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Could be true, maybe that's why she won't get more specific, she could be afraid of the backlash if Fans knew that.

What exactly is Tyka supposed to do? She's really quite powerless to do anything.Prince is a grown man and bread winner.


People can't even get their own kids into or stay in rehab.

Reply #393 posted 11/14/17 6:12pm

muleFunk

FACTS:

No one has been arrested or charged in the death of Prince Rogers Nelson .

None of the counterfiet meds have shown up around the United States and it's known territories.

Reply #394 posted 11/14/17 6:39pm

morningsong

muleFunk said:

FACTS:

No one has been arrested or charged in the death of Prince Rogers Nelson .

None of the counterfiet meds have shown up around the United States and it's known territories.



I'm not sure how anyone knows that. Most articles don't say the stamping on pills, most just say Norcon, or Vicidon, or just opiodes.

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Reply #395 posted 11/14/17 6:46pm

muleFunk

morningsong said:

muleFunk said:

FACTS:

No one has been arrested or charged in the death of Prince Rogers Nelson .

None of the counterfiet meds have shown up around the United States and it's known territories.



I'm not sure how anyone knows that. Most articles don't say the stamping on pills, most just say Norcon, or Vicidon, or just opiodes.

[Edited 11/14/17 18:40pm]

It was printed back in August 2016.

That's the whole problem with this case. They made this another Opioid death but the amount found in those pills would have killed him just by touching.

Reply #396 posted 11/14/17 6:57pm

morningsong

muleFunk said:

morningsong said:



I'm not sure how anyone knows that. Most articles don't say the stamping on pills, most just say Norcon, or Vicidon, or just opiodes.

[Edited 11/14/17 18:40pm]

It was printed back in August 2016.

That's the whole problem with this case. They made this another Opioid death but the amount found in those pills would have killed him just by touching.



By who? Most of what I've been reading doesn't support that statement, nor does it deny it.


As I said few articles specify what was stamped on the pills in raids around the country. I just read an article about a raid in Canada, 70 million pills along with stamping machines, but no mention of what the pills were stamped as, just that they were counterfeit opiodes mixed with illegal fentanyl.

Reply #397 posted 11/14/17 7:28pm

Menes

morningsong said:

muleFunk said:

It was printed back in August 2016.

That's the whole problem with this case. They made this another Opioid death but the amount found in those pills would have killed him just by touching.



By who? Most of what I've been reading doesn't support that statement, nor does it deny it.


As I said few articles specify what was stamped on the pills in raids around the country. I just read an article about a raid in Canada, 70 million pills along with stamping machines, but no mention of what the pills were stamped as, just that they were counterfeit opiodes mixed with illegal fentanyl.

Exactly. There is no autopsy report that supports the amount of fentanyl Prince had in his body. There are leaked reports of what some may assume to be true. That's the equivalent of someone asserting that because the name of Prince Rogers Nelson adds up to 666 in the amount of characters, he is exactly the spirit that personifies the enchanter. Truth, is another matter.

Reply #398 posted 11/15/17 4:20am

laurarichardson

Menes said:

morningsong said:



By who? Most of what I've been reading doesn't support that statement, nor does it deny it.


As I said few articles specify what was stamped on the pills in raids around the country. I just read an article about a raid in Canada, 70 million pills along with stamping machines, but no mention of what the pills were stamped as, just that they were counterfeit opiodes mixed with illegal fentanyl.

Exactly. There is no autopsy report that supports the amount of fentanyl Prince had in his body. There are leaked reports of what some may assume to be true. That's the equivalent of someone asserting that because the name of Prince Rogers Nelson adds up to 666 in the amount of characters, he is exactly the spirit that personifies the enchanter. Truth, is another matter.

We have nothing official that he was given Narcan but an intial report by TMZ. Nothing was mentioned in the search warrent. Yet, people take it as the gospel truth. We have not one report of Prince being high or out of it. Numerous people saying they never saw him take drugs or so him high. No slow down in his work production. Yet some people have this idea that he was high out of his ass for 30 years.

We all know what he died from so there is no need for people not to come and say " Prince was a junkie for 20 years" Yet we keep hearing" we do not know the whole story". While eveyone ignores this comment.

We have not seen any articles about anyone else having high levels of fentenyl in their system that these so-called leaks are saying were in his system. Why would Prince be the only one dying of this high dosage and not anyone else?

We are living in the era of " believe what you want" or "just make up something to fit the narrative"

Reply #399 posted 11/15/17 10:47am

Menes

morningsong said:

daingermouz2020 said:

ThatWhiteDude said: What exactly is Tyka supposed to do? She's really quite powerless to do anything.Prince is a grown man and bread winner.


People can't even get their own kids into or stay in rehab.

While it may be difficult to get someone to enter rehab, what is clear is that the person closest to Prince was not ignorant of the fact that Prince was struggling with the consumption of opioids. As the warrant stated, Kirk had full access to Paisley Park, and therefore , more than likely, would have seen the bottles and pills since there were in plain sight. Either he was an enabler, or, someone who wanted to respect the wishes of Prince and go along with the program.

Reply #400 posted 11/15/17 10:51am

morningsong

Menes said:

morningsong said:


People can't even get their own kids into or stay in rehab.

While it may be difficult to get someone to enter rehab, what is clear is that the person closest to Prince was not ignorant of the fact that Prince was struggling with the consumption of opioids. As the warrant stated, Kirk had full access to Paisley Park, and therefore , more than likely, would have seen the bottles and pills since there were in plain sight. Either he was an enabler, or, someone who wanted to respect the wishes of Prince and go along with the program.



Is that what people who live with family members dealing with dependency do?

Reply #401 posted 11/15/17 11:01am

morningsong

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

Exactly. There is no autopsy report that supports the amount of fentanyl Prince had in his body. There are leaked reports of what some may assume to be true. That's the equivalent of someone asserting that because the name of Prince Rogers Nelson adds up to 666 in the amount of characters, he is exactly the spirit that personifies the enchanter. Truth, is another matter.

We have nothing official that he was given Narcan but an intial report by TMZ. Nothing was mentioned in the search warrent. Yet, people take it as the gospel truth. We have not one report of Prince being high or out of it. Numerous people saying they never saw him take drugs or so him high. No slow down in his work production. Yet some people have this idea that he was high out of his ass for 30 years.

We all know what he died from so there is no need for people not to come and say " Prince was a junkie for 20 years" Yet we keep hearing" we do not know the whole story". While eveyone ignores this comment.

We have not seen any articles about anyone else having high levels of fentenyl in their system that these so-called leaks are saying were in his system. Why would Prince be the only one dying of this high dosage and not anyone else?

We are living in the era of " believe what you want" or "just make up something to fit the narrative"



Nope, there's not.


All that's coming the minute people are sure such statements won't hurt or enhance their careers. There have been cocaine accusations for years.


No articles tells you the level of fentanyl of anybody whose died of an overdose of it. They all start talking about heroine addiction, which I think is a disservice.


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Reply #402 posted 11/15/17 11:02am

Menes

morningsong said:

Menes said:

While it may be difficult to get someone to enter rehab, what is clear is that the person closest to Prince was not ignorant of the fact that Prince was struggling with the consumption of opioids. As the warrant stated, Kirk had full access to Paisley Park, and therefore , more than likely, would have seen the bottles and pills since there were in plain sight. Either he was an enabler, or, someone who wanted to respect the wishes of Prince and go along with the program.



Is that what people who live with family members dealing with dependency do?

Well he wasn't Prince's family. But yes, some family members/friends do enable the behavior in many different ways.

Reply #403 posted 11/15/17 11:05am

morningsong

Menes said:

morningsong said:



Is that what people who live with family members dealing with dependency do?

Well he wasn't Prince's family. But yes, some family members/friends do enable the behavior in many different ways.


He wasn't a blood relative, but 3 decades is a long time to be around somebody.
I think some people just feel helpless and just haven't reached the turning their back and shutting the person out stage. If we are being realistic.

Reply #404 posted 11/15/17 11:18am

Menes

morningsong said:

Menes said:

Well he wasn't Prince's family. But yes, some family members/friends do enable the behavior in many different ways.


He wasn't a blood relative, but 3 decades is a long time to be around somebody.
I think some people just feel helpless and just haven't reached the turning their back and shutting the person out stage. If we are being realistic.

I can agree with that. We know the story of Whitney Houston very well. Many enablers were invested in keeping that behavior going for one reason or the other.

She had been doing illicit and prescribed drugs for decades and very few people in the public knew or believed that she was an addict. She would spend tens of thousands of dollars at a time, but at show time, you would never have guessed it ( this is in the early 80's and 90's). You had to know people who knew her personally. She was that good at hiding it and preserving that image . It worked for at least a time. Once the physical signs were evident, ball game over.

Reply #405 posted 11/15/17 11:41am

Bodhitheblackdog

Menes said:

morningsong said:


He wasn't a blood relative, but 3 decades is a long time to be around somebody.
I think some people just feel helpless and just haven't reached the turning their back and shutting the person out stage. If we are being realistic.

I can agree with that. We know the story of Whitney Houston very well. Many enablers were invested in keeping that behavior going for one reason or the other.

She had been doing illicit and prescribed drugs for decades and very few people in the public knew or believed that she was an addict. She would spend tens of thousands of dollars at a time, but at show time, you would never have guessed it ( this is in the early 80's and 90's). You had to know people who knew her personally. She was that good at hiding it and preserving that image . It worked for at least a time. Once the physical signs were evident, ball game over.

something to seriously ponder as we peruse those heartbreaking photos...

Reply #406 posted 11/15/17 11:57am

purplefam99

Bodhitheblackdog said:

 



Menes said:


 



morningsong said:


 



He wasn't a blood relative, but 3 decades is a long time to be around somebody.
I think some people just feel helpless and just haven't reached the turning their back and shutting the person out stage.  If we are being realistic.



I can agree with that. We know the story of Whitney Houston very well. Many enablers were invested in keeping that behavior going for one reason or the other.

She had been doing illicit and prescribed drugs for decades and very few people in the public knew or believed that she was an addict. She would spend tens of thousands of dollars at a time, but at show time, you would never have guessed it ( this is in the early 80's and 90's).  You had to know people who knew her personally.  She was that good at hiding it and preserving that image . It worked for at least a time. Once the physical signs were evident, ball game over.



something to seriously ponder as we peruse those heartbreaking photos...




:(
Reply #407 posted 11/15/17 12:13pm

Menes

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

I can agree with that. We know the story of Whitney Houston very well. Many enablers were invested in keeping that behavior going for one reason or the other.

She had been doing illicit and prescribed drugs for decades and very few people in the public knew or believed that she was an addict. She would spend tens of thousands of dollars at a time, but at show time, you would never have guessed it ( this is in the early 80's and 90's). You had to know people who knew her personally. She was that good at hiding it and preserving that image . It worked for at least a time. Once the physical signs were evident, ball game over.

something to seriously ponder as we peruse those heartbreaking photos...

Indeed. True story... I was in a restaurant one day and Whitney is sitting one table away from me and my friends. I was staring intensely at her because she was incoherent and loud. The makeup was two different tones between the face and the neck. It was as if she had buried her face in a drum barrel full of fashion fair makeup and forgot about the neck area. The weave was cocked to one side and appeared to be matted. This was not the multi-millionaire songstress that I knew.


Her crew is saying nothing to her about the loudness. She began humming a tune of which I could not make any sense of . She would get up , walk around then disappear in the back as if she forgot where she was seated. She would return, clap at certain points, and giggle for no apparent reason. I was trying to process the picture of the beautiful girl who looked like a model in the 80's vs. this person who I was staring at. I wanted to get up and say something to her but the goons seated next to her looked to be in quite good shape. Everything I thought about her was shattered instantaneously. That was the last time I saw her in 2010. She was dead two (2) years after. When you see it, you know it. That last show was everything.

Reply #408 posted 11/15/17 12:23pm

morningsong

Menes said:

morningsong said:


He wasn't a blood relative, but 3 decades is a long time to be around somebody.
I think some people just feel helpless and just haven't reached the turning their back and shutting the person out stage. If we are being realistic.

I can agree with that. We know the story of Whitney Houston very well. Many enablers were invested in keeping that behavior going for one reason or the other.

She had been doing illicit and prescribed drugs for decades and very few people in the public knew or believed that she was an addict. She would spend tens of thousands of dollars at a time, but at show time, you would never have guessed it ( this is in the early 80's and 90's). You had to know people who knew her personally. She was that good at hiding it and preserving that image . It worked for at least a time. Once the physical signs were evident, ball game over.



Okay, I am uncomfortable with the word "enabler" , not because I don't believe they exist but until I know for sure, just tagging people doesn't make it so. I brought up people's children because you can't get much closer and be more helpless, and yet I wouldn't tag every parent in that situation as an enabler, but maybe that's so, I'm no expert at any of this.

We knew about Whitney's issues years before she died, and it did obviously and seriously affect her and her ability to perform. We just thought she was getting needed help as opposed to slipping back. I wouldn't say she's a good example of someone who hid it as well.

Reply #409 posted 11/15/17 12:28pm

Menes

morningsong said:

Menes said:

I can agree with that. We know the story of Whitney Houston very well. Many enablers were invested in keeping that behavior going for one reason or the other.

She had been doing illicit and prescribed drugs for decades and very few people in the public knew or believed that she was an addict. She would spend tens of thousands of dollars at a time, but at show time, you would never have guessed it ( this is in the early 80's and 90's). You had to know people who knew her personally. She was that good at hiding it and preserving that image . It worked for at least a time. Once the physical signs were evident, ball game over.



Okay, I am uncomfortable with the word "enabler" , not because I don't believe they exist but until I know for sure, just tagging people doesn't make it so. I brought up people's children because you can't get much closer and be more helpless, and yet I wouldn't tag every parent in that situation as an enabler, but maybe that's so, I'm no expert at any of this.

We knew about Whitney's issues years before she died, and it did obviously and seriously affect her and her ability to perform. We just thought she was getting needed help as opposed to slipping back. I wouldn't say she's a good example of someone who hid it as well.

When you saw Whitney in the 80's, did you think or believe that she was doing anything in the 80's? I surely didn't.

Reply #410 posted 11/15/17 12:32pm

laurarichardson

Menes said:

morningsong said:


He wasn't a blood relative, but 3 decades is a long time to be around somebody.
I think some people just feel helpless and just haven't reached the turning their back and shutting the person out stage. If we are being realistic.

I can agree with that. We know the story of Whitney Houston very well. Many enablers were invested in keeping that behavior going for one reason or the other.

She had been doing illicit and prescribed drugs for decades and very few people in the public knew or believed that she was an addict. She would spend tens of thousands of dollars at a time, but at show time, you would never have guessed it ( this is in the early 80's and 90's). You had to know people who knew her personally. She was that good at hiding it and preserving that image . It worked for at least a time. Once the physical signs were evident, ball game over.

Are you kidding? . Everybody knew Whitney was on drugs. She was terrible with her skinny self and in the last decade of her life she had destroyed her voice. She was always a poor live performer almost as if she did not want to be on the stage. I think she terrible at hiding her problems.

She married Bobby Brown and pipe heads hang together. If on one figured out by then I have no words for the level of cluelessness. No one can continue to function at a good level on drugs. I am not sure why this myth continues. Prince did five times the work Whitney did and she could barely make it.

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Reply #411 posted 11/15/17 12:32pm

morningsong

Menes said:

morningsong said:



Okay, I am uncomfortable with the word "enabler" , not because I don't believe they exist but until I know for sure, just tagging people doesn't make it so. I brought up people's children because you can't get much closer and be more helpless, and yet I wouldn't tag every parent in that situation as an enabler, but maybe that's so, I'm no expert at any of this.

We knew about Whitney's issues years before she died, and it did obviously and seriously affect her and her ability to perform. We just thought she was getting needed help as opposed to slipping back. I wouldn't say she's a good example of someone who hid it as well.

When you saw Whitney in the 80's, did you think or believe that she was doing anything in the 80's? I surely didn't.



Nope, not in the 80s but there still were a couple of decades to go before she passed and we all saw it as plain as day within that time.

Reply #412 posted 11/15/17 12:34pm

laurarichardson

morningsong said:

Menes said:

When you saw Whitney in the 80's, did you think or believe that she was doing anything in the 80's? I surely didn't.



Nope, not in the 80s but there still were a couple of decades to go before she passed and we all saw it as plain as day within that time.

Thank you by the early 90s it was obvious. When you think about it she was toast in only a few years. She did not have no almost 40 year run like Prince had.

Reply #413 posted 11/15/17 12:38pm

Menes

morningsong said:

Menes said:

When you saw Whitney in the 80's, did you think or believe that she was doing anything in the 80's? I surely didn't.



Nope, not in the 80s but there still were a couple of decades to go before she passed and we all saw it as plain as day within that time.

Well she's been doing a lot of drugs for decades. How about in the 90's? Did you see it then? Did you ever go to one of her concerts in that 20 year period?

Reply #414 posted 11/15/17 12:46pm

morningsong

Menes said:

morningsong said:



Nope, not in the 80s but there still were a couple of decades to go before she passed and we all saw it as plain as day within that time.

Well she's been doing a lot of drugs for decades. How about in the 90's? Did you see it then? Did you ever go to one of her concerts in that 20 year period?



By 2001 the entire world knew.

Reply #415 posted 11/15/17 12:48pm

Menes

morningsong said:

Menes said:

Well she's been doing a lot of drugs for decades. How about in the 90's? Did you see it then? Did you ever go to one of her concerts in that 20 year period?



By 2001 the entire world knew.

Did you go to a concert of hers in the 90's?

Reply #416 posted 11/15/17 12:50pm

morningsong

Menes said:

morningsong said:



By 2001 the entire world knew.

Did you go to a concert of hers in the 90's?



Nope. Not sure what that has to do with anything.

Reply #417 posted 11/15/17 12:51pm

Menes

morningsong said:

Menes said:

Did you go to a concert of hers in the 90's?



Nope. Not sure what that has to do with anything.

Have you ever attended a Rolling Stone concert?

Reply #418 posted 11/15/17 12:56pm

morningsong

Menes said:

morningsong said:



Nope. Not sure what that has to do with anything.

Have you ever attended a Rolling Stone concert?




Yeah. Am I taking a survey now?

Reply #419 posted 11/15/17 1:00pm

Menes

morningsong said:

Menes said:

Have you ever attended a Rolling Stone concert?




Yeah. Am I taking a survey now?

No. Were you able to tell by the way Keith Richards played the guitar( notes, chords, runs, riffs) that he was a long time user of heroin?

Reply #420 posted 11/15/17 1:15pm

Bodhitheblackdog

Menes said:

morningsong said:




Yeah. Am I taking a survey now?

No. Were you able to tell by the way Keith Richards played the guitar( notes, chords, runs, riffs) that he was a long time user of heroin?

BINGO!!! We have a winner here!!!!!

Reply #421 posted 11/15/17 1:23pm

morningsong

Menes said:

morningsong said:




Yeah. Am I taking a survey now?

No. Were you able to tell by the way Keith Richards played the guitar( notes, chords, runs, riffs) that he was a long time user of heroin?



So now we are talking about what Keith Richard does on stage compared to what Prince did on stage? I mean think about it. Secondly, where is this coming from, these weren't any of my recent questions. Are you making a point that Keith Richard's is surrounded by enablers?

Reply #422 posted 11/15/17 1:32pm

laurarichardson

Menes said:

 



morningsong said:


 



Menes said:


 


Have you ever attended a Rolling Stone concert?






Yeah.   Am I taking a survey now?



No. Were you able to tell by the way Keith Richards played the guitar( notes, chords, runs, riffs) that he was a long time user of heroin?


—Keith looked and still looks like he is on something. He also had a whole band propping him up until they could not prop him up no more. Who was Prince proping Prince up for almost 40 years?
Reply #423 posted 11/15/17 1:36pm

Bodhitheblackdog

morningsong said:

Menes said:

No. Were you able to tell by the way Keith Richards played the guitar( notes, chords, runs, riffs) that he was a long time user of heroin?



So now we are talking about what Keith Richard does on stage compared to what Prince did on stage? I mean think about it. Secondly, where is this coming from, these weren't any of my recent questions. Are you making a point that Keith Richard's is surrounded by enablers?

I think the point is that people who are habituated to drugs have all manner of coping mechanisms to hide the effects of those drugs from others; mechanisms which may not be readily apparent to those who are NOT addicted or who have no personal knowledge of how addicts behave/cope/deflect inquiries into their condition.

I will go further and add that entertainers, people who make their living adopting other personas, people who are accustomed to and comfortable with artifice, who are insulated from the blow-back of addiction by money, fame, their hangers-on, fans, etc. have the ULTIMATE, inside-track at pulling the deception off...they're actors, manipulators of emotion, controllers of their image. Sound familiar?

Reply #424 posted 11/15/17 1:45pm

Menes

morningsong said:

Menes said:

No. Were you able to tell by the way Keith Richards played the guitar( notes, chords, runs, riffs) that he was a long time user of heroin?



So now we are talking about what Keith Richard does on stage compared to what Prince did on stage? I mean think about it. Secondly, where is this coming from, these weren't any of my recent questions. Are you making a point that Keith Richard's is surrounded by enablers?

Quite the contrary. The question was , were you able to tell by the way Keith Richards played the guitar(notes, chords, runs, riffs) that he was a long time user of heroin?

I am assuming that you know how long Keith has been shooting up and how long he has been touring and playing before millions of fans?


There are other examples but we will stick to heroin users. For now.

Reply #425 posted 11/15/17 1:50pm

laurarichardson

Bodhitheblackdog said:

 



morningsong said:


 



Menes said:


 


No. Were you able to tell by the way Keith Richards played the guitar( notes, chords, runs, riffs) that he was a long time user of heroin?





So now we are talking about what Keith Richard does on stage compared to what Prince did on stage?  I mean think about it.  Secondly, where is this coming from, these weren't any of my recent questions.  Are you making a point that Keith Richard's is surrounded by enablers?



I think the point is that people who are habituated to drugs have all manner of coping mechanisms to hide the effects of those drugs from others; mechanisms which may not be readily apparent to those who are NOT addicted or who have no personal knowledge of how addicts behave/cope/deflect inquiries into their condition.


 


I will go further and add that entertainers, people who make their living adopting other personas, people who are accustomed to and comfortable with artifice, who are  insulated from the blow-back of addiction by money, fame, their hangers-on, fans, etc. have the ULTIMATE, inside-track at pulling the deception off...they're actors, manipulators of emotion, controllers of their image. Sound familiar?


No, the amount of money you have does not alter the effects of drugs on your cognitive abilities. Drugs do not give me super powers to defeat the effects of the drugs and hiding the use of drugs is useless people always know. I do not think Prince was abusing these drugs for 38 years, 30 years or 20 years. I would bet money his problems started after his 2010 surgery and came initially from an Rx. I think he was fine taking whatever his dosage was until something went wrong. Could be health issues from taking the pills in the first place or illness but something happen in that 2013 to 2014 in that time period.
Something that made him know his time was short and I think we are going to find out more when Tyka writes her book or when someone really needs money.
Reply #426 posted 11/15/17 2:51pm

Menes

Bodhitheblackdog said:

morningsong said:



So now we are talking about what Keith Richard does on stage compared to what Prince did on stage? I mean think about it. Secondly, where is this coming from, these weren't any of my recent questions. Are you making a point that Keith Richard's is surrounded by enablers?

I think the point is that people who are habituated to drugs have all manner of coping mechanisms to hide the effects of those drugs from others; mechanisms which may not be readily apparent to those who are NOT addicted or who have no personal knowledge of how addicts behave/cope/deflect inquiries into their condition.

I will go further and add that entertainers, people who make their living adopting other personas, people who are accustomed to and comfortable with artifice, who are insulated from the blow-back of addiction by money, fame, their hangers-on, fans, etc. have the ULTIMATE, inside-track at pulling the deception off...they're actors, manipulators of emotion, controllers of their image. Sound familiar?

I remember getting into the grunge scene in the 90's. I saw a lot of Nirvana concerts. The scene was always chaotic at concerts and full of energy. Kurt was a true headbanger. Smashing guitars, stage diving, it was non-stop high energy. Unless you lived in the underbelly of the Seattle grunge scene, you would never put "long term heroin addict and high energy shows in the same sentence. It wasn't until 1992 when child services got involved that the story began to unravel. Prior to that he was using, after the child services incident, he continued using, before and after shows, he was using. You would never know it when he performed.

Reply #427 posted 11/15/17 3:07pm

Bodhitheblackdog

Menes said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

I think the point is that people who are habituated to drugs have all manner of coping mechanisms to hide the effects of those drugs from others; mechanisms which may not be readily apparent to those who are NOT addicted or who have no personal knowledge of how addicts behave/cope/deflect inquiries into their condition.

I will go further and add that entertainers, people who make their living adopting other personas, people who are accustomed to and comfortable with artifice, who are insulated from the blow-back of addiction by money, fame, their hangers-on, fans, etc. have the ULTIMATE, inside-track at pulling the deception off...they're actors, manipulators of emotion, controllers of their image. Sound familiar?

I remember getting into the grunge scene in the 90's. I saw a lot of Nirvana concerts. The scene was always chaotic at concerts and full of energy. Kurt was a true headbanger. Smashing guitars, stage diving, it was non-stop high energy. Unless you lived in the underbelly of the Seattle grunge scene, you would never put "long term heroin addict and high energy shows in the same sentence. It wasn't until 1992 when child services got involved that the story began to unravel. Prior to that he was using, after the child services incident, he continued using, before and after shows, he was using. You would never know it when he performed.

People forget that the addict is only sick when they are cutting back or trying to stop using. That's why that's the most likely time the addict will die of an overdose...when you're getting what you need every day to be good...you're fine...

Reply #428 posted 11/15/17 3:23pm

morningsong

Bodhitheblackdog said:

morningsong said:



So now we are talking about what Keith Richard does on stage compared to what Prince did on stage? I mean think about it. Secondly, where is this coming from, these weren't any of my recent questions. Are you making a point that Keith Richard's is surrounded by enablers?

I think the point is that people who are habituated to drugs have all manner of coping mechanisms to hide the effects of those drugs from others; mechanisms which may not be readily apparent to those who are NOT addicted or who have no personal knowledge of how addicts behave/cope/deflect inquiries into their condition.

I will go further and add that entertainers, people who make their living adopting other personas, people who are accustomed to and comfortable with artifice, who are insulated from the blow-back of addiction by money, fame, their hangers-on, fans, etc. have the ULTIMATE, inside-track at pulling the deception off...they're actors, manipulators of emotion, controllers of their image. Sound familiar?



Ok, but I'd say Keith Richards was a bad example because I've never got the impression he was hiding anything, he was just being and it was widely accepted and not a single person was shocked when it became public.

Reply #429 posted 11/15/17 3:25pm

morningsong

Menes said:

morningsong said:



So now we are talking about what Keith Richard does on stage compared to what Prince did on stage? I mean think about it. Secondly, where is this coming from, these weren't any of my recent questions. Are you making a point that Keith Richard's is surrounded by enablers?

Quite the contrary. The question was , were you able to tell by the way Keith Richards played the guitar(notes, chords, runs, riffs) that he was a long time user of heroin?

I am assuming that you know how long Keith has been shooting up and how long he has been touring and playing before millions of fans?


There are other examples but we will stick to heroin users. For now.




I had already assumed Keith was a user long before I ever went to see a single show, long before I heard a single note. Not a good example of someone hiding their issues.



Reply #430 posted 11/15/17 3:26pm

morningsong

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

I remember getting into the grunge scene in the 90's. I saw a lot of Nirvana concerts. The scene was always chaotic at concerts and full of energy. Kurt was a true headbanger. Smashing guitars, stage diving, it was non-stop high energy. Unless you lived in the underbelly of the Seattle grunge scene, you would never put "long term heroin addict and high energy shows in the same sentence. It wasn't until 1992 when child services got involved that the story began to unravel. Prior to that he was using, after the child services incident, he continued using, before and after shows, he was using. You would never know it when he performed.

People forget that the addict is only sick when they are cutting back or trying to stop using. That's why that's the most likely time the addict will die of an overdose...when you're getting what you need every day to be good...you're fine...



That is not what the professional literature says.

Reply #431 posted 11/15/17 3:39pm

Menes

morningsong said:

Menes said:

Quite the contrary. The question was , were you able to tell by the way Keith Richards played the guitar(notes, chords, runs, riffs) that he was a long time user of heroin?

I am assuming that you know how long Keith has been shooting up and how long he has been touring and playing before millions of fans?


There are other examples but we will stick to heroin users. For now.




I had already assumed Keith was a user long before I ever went to see a single show, long before I heard a single note. Not a good example of someone hiding their issues.



The question remains, were you able to tell he was using heroin based upon the way he played the guitar at a show?

Reply #432 posted 11/15/17 3:51pm

morningsong

Menes said:

morningsong said:




I had already assumed Keith was a user long before I ever went to see a single show, long before I heard a single note. Not a good example of someone hiding their issues.



The question remains, were you able to tell he was using heroin based upon the way he played the guitar at a show?




Compared to what?


Look either you are sticking with facts or you're not,period. So, if you are trying to slyly imply that nobody would be able to know that Prince was a drug user his entire life and that he hid it from everyone his entire life then that's just you speculating and trying to turn a personal thought into fact. I've been a fan since day one, so yep I do think I'd be able to tell the difference in deterioration over 4 decades. Keith has deteriated in his many decades.

Reply #433 posted 11/15/17 4:00pm

laurarichardson

Menes said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

I think the point is that people who are habituated to drugs have all manner of coping mechanisms to hide the effects of those drugs from others; mechanisms which may not be readily apparent to those who are NOT addicted or who have no personal knowledge of how addicts behave/cope/deflect inquiries into their condition.

I will go further and add that entertainers, people who make their living adopting other personas, people who are accustomed to and comfortable with artifice, who are insulated from the blow-back of addiction by money, fame, their hangers-on, fans, etc. have the ULTIMATE, inside-track at pulling the deception off...they're actors, manipulators of emotion, controllers of their image. Sound familiar?

I remember getting into the grunge scene in the 90's. I saw a lot of Nirvana concerts. The scene was always chaotic at concerts and full of energy. Kurt was a true headbanger. Smashing guitars, stage diving, it was non-stop high energy. Unless you lived in the underbelly of the Seattle grunge scene, you would never put "long term heroin addict and high energy shows in the same sentence. It wasn't until 1992 when child services got involved that the story began to unravel. Prior to that he was using, after the child services incident, he continued using, before and after shows, he was using. You would never know it when he performed.

Then you must have been blind that dude always looked spaced out his still photos are the worst.

Drugs do not give me super powers to defeat the effects of the drugs and hiding the use of drugs is useless people always know.

I do not think Prince was abusing these drugs for 38 years, 30 years or 20 years. I would bet money his problems started after his 2010 surgery and came initially from an Rx.

I think he was fine taking whatever his dosage was until something went wrong. Could be health issues from taking the pills in the first place or illness but something happen in that 2013 to 2014 in that time period.
Something that made him know his time was short and I think we are going to find out more when Tyka writes her book or when someone really needs money.

Reply #434 posted 11/15/17 4:01pm

laurarichardson

morningsong said:

Menes said:

The question remains, were you able to tell he was using heroin based upon the way he played the guitar at a show?




Compared to what?


Look either you are sticking with facts or you're not,period. So, if you are trying to slyly imply that nobody would be able to know that Prince was a drug user his entire life and that he hid it from everyone his entire life then that's just you speculating and trying to turn a personal thought into fact. I've been a fan since day one, so yep I do think I'd be able to tell the difference in deterioration over 4 decades. Keith has deteriated in his many decades.

It is not speculating it is living in a fantasy world.

Reply #435 posted 11/15/17 4:06pm

Menes

morningsong said:

Menes said:

The question remains, were you able to tell he was using heroin based upon the way he played the guitar at a show?




Compared to what?


Look either you are sticking with facts or you're not,period. So, if you are trying to slyly imply that nobody would be able to know that Prince was a drug user his entire life and that he hid it from everyone his entire life then that's just you speculating and trying to turn a personal thought into fact. I've been a fan since day one, so yep I do think I'd be able to tell the difference in deterioration over 4 decades. Keith has deteriated in his many decades.

Well , I hope I didn't upset you with the question of whether you were able to tell he was a heroin user by the way he (Keith) played the guitar at a concert. I will stick to Prince.

In the warrant it was stated that witnesses at the scene of his death told the investigators that Prince was previously going thru withdrawals from opioid use. Do you think that any of his fans at his last show were aware that he was going thru withdrawals for opioid use when they saw him perform? If so, what would he have done at this performance that would've alerted them?

Lastly, do you think did that any signs of withdrawals started after the plane incident or before?

Reply #436 posted 11/15/17 4:24pm

morningsong

Menes said:

morningsong said:




Compared to what?


Look either you are sticking with facts or you're not,period. So, if you are trying to slyly imply that nobody would be able to know that Prince was a drug user his entire life and that he hid it from everyone his entire life then that's just you speculating and trying to turn a personal thought into fact. I've been a fan since day one, so yep I do think I'd be able to tell the difference in deterioration over 4 decades. Keith has deteriated in his many decades.

Well , I hope I didn't upset you with the question of whether you were able to tell he was a heroin user by the way he (Keith) played the guitar at a concert. I will stick to Prince.

In the warrant it was stated that witnesses at the scene of his death told the investigators that Prince was previously going thru withdrawals from opioid use. Do you think that any of his fans at his last show were aware that he was going thru withdrawals for opioid use when they saw him perform? If so, what would he have done at this performance that would've alerted them?

Lastly, do you think did that any signs of withdrawals started after the plane incident or before?

Nope you are far from upsetting me. I feel you are trying to make me come to a conclusion based on one concert, and that I do not understand how. You have no idea if I wanted to be there, how much of the Stones music I'm familiar with, nothing, hell not even if I was stoned off my azz while I was there, I mean nothing beyond I was there. I wasn't stoned but you don't know that. Heck I could have spent the time flirting with the concessions guy. You want a conclusion based on very little information.

The warrant didn't specify for how long or when it started or any of that type of information. A few of them specifically used the word "recently", can you tell me an exact date just by that word? I know I can't, I'm not even sure what "recently" means, a month, six months, a year?


Reply #437 posted 11/15/17 4:35pm

Lovejunky

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:




Compared to what?


Look either you are sticking with facts or you're not,period. So, if you are trying to slyly imply that nobody would be able to know that Prince was a drug user his entire life and that he hid it from everyone his entire life then that's just you speculating and trying to turn a personal thought into fact. I've been a fan since day one, so yep I do think I'd be able to tell the difference in deterioration over 4 decades. Keith has deteriated in his many decades.

It is not speculating it is living in a fantasy world.

Co Sign

Bodhitheblackdog seems to know a LOT about the Profile of a longterm drug user, lol

but conveniently overlooks the KNOWN facts about Princes CLEAN LIVING Habits.

Everyone who ever KNEW Prince, in person has stated again and again

over and over

how

"Careful he was about what he put into his body"

WHen he was sick his go to was echinacea, golden seal Vitamin C etc

THESE are FACTS, reiterated many times.

If he took anything other than naturals

he was definately very conscious about what he took,

and would have been cautious and without a doubt

was in such pain that he was desperate for RELIEF

He was not a person who took drugs for shits and giggles or to

altar his frame of mind in order to escape from reality.

To continuously come here and imply that Prince gobbled pills like lollies

is ingnorant, comparing him to WHitney or Keith is ridiculous and

seems to me like a person pushing their own agenda.

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #438 posted 11/15/17 4:43pm

Menes

morningsong said:

Menes said:

Well , I hope I didn't upset you with the question of whether you were able to tell he was a heroin user by the way he (Keith) played the guitar at a concert. I will stick to Prince.

In the warrant it was stated that witnesses at the scene of his death told the investigators that Prince was previously going thru withdrawals from opioid use. Do you think that any of his fans at his last show were aware that he was going thru withdrawals for opioid use when they saw him perform? If so, what would he have done at this performance that would've alerted them?

Lastly, do you think did that any signs of withdrawals started after the plane incident or before?

Nope you are far from upsetting me. I feel you are trying to make me come to a conclusion based on one concert, and that I do not understand how. You have no idea if I wanted to be there, how much of the Stones music I'm familiar with, nothing, hell not even if I was stoned off my azz while I was there, I mean nothing beyond I was there. I wasn't stoned but you don't know that. Heck I could have spent the time flirting with the concessions guy. You want a conclusion based on very little information.

The warrant didn't specify for how long or when it started or any of that type of information. A few of them specifically used the word "recently", can you tell me an exact date just by that word? I know I can't, I'm not even sure what "recently" means, a month, six months, a year?


Do you think that was the first time Prince used opioids when he got on the plane?

Reply #439 posted 11/15/17 4:56pm

Morgaine

laurarichardson said:

 



Dini said:


 



laurarichardson said:


 


Lord a person who is not trusting is going to buy drugs off the internet? I know it is fun to blame everything on China.  


 


He had no prescriptions under his own name buy Dr. S wrote Rxs for him under Kirk's  name. Don't you think he had done this in the past using other people's names? 


 


Don't you think he went into the hospital under a different name? The pills were not scattered about the place. Go back to the top of this topic. 



 


This is exactly why he would buy them off the Internet. No one needs to know. No one to spread the word. People can buy drugs anonymously. It was just that one prescription. Where did he get the other pills? Lots of people, unfortunately, buy drugs off the Internet.



But he was not known for being a trusting person. It is a matter of not knowing who you are dealing with and it sounds like he could be really paranoid at times.  I just do not see someone with those traits being anything from an unknown person. 


 


We know that Kirk knew what was going on and Prince trusted him. We know his sister knows a few things because Prince trusted her. 


 


These pills can be made right in the good old USA and Prince had enough money to have this done. 


If you keep thinking that he did things just like everyone else you are going down the wrong  road. 


 


Everything this dude had right down to his shoes was custom made. Why would he not have his drugs custom made. In additon, their is no data that supports fentenyl being placed in the Watson 385s  This drug was discontinued in 2015 and I have found nothing stating that these pills are being mixed Fentenyl in the streets. 


Makes me question how Dr. S was able to write a script for Kirk for this stuff. Futher investigation needs to be done into to that but we do not know if it was done or what the results were concerning the pain pill Dr. S wrote for Kirk. Were they even legit or could that have been tampered with? 


 

[Edited 11/9/17 9:21am]



Dr. S didn't prescribe Watson 385s, that is hydrocodone; he prescribed Percocet aka oxycodone. Different meds.
The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul
Reply #440 posted 11/15/17 5:04pm

laurarichardson

morningsong said:

Menes said:

Well , I hope I didn't upset you with the question of whether you were able to tell he was a heroin user by the way he (Keith) played the guitar at a concert. I will stick to Prince.

In the warrant it was stated that witnesses at the scene of his death told the investigators that Prince was previously going thru withdrawals from opioid use. Do you think that any of his fans at his last show were aware that he was going thru withdrawals for opioid use when they saw him perform? If so, what would he have done at this performance that would've alerted them?

Lastly, do you think did that any signs of withdrawals started after the plane incident or before?

Nope you are far from upsetting me. I feel you are trying to make me come to a conclusion based on one concert, and that I do not understand how. You have no idea if I wanted to be there, how much of the Stones music I'm familiar with, nothing, hell not even if I was stoned off my azz while I was there, I mean nothing beyond I was there. I wasn't stoned but you don't know that. Heck I could have spent the time flirting with the concessions guy. You want a conclusion based on very little information.

The warrant didn't specify for how long or when it started or any of that type of information. A few of them specifically used the word "recently", can you tell me an exact date just by that word? I know I can't, I'm not even sure what "recently" means, a month, six months, a year?


One thing we know is that "recently" is not 20 or 30 years.

Reply #441 posted 11/15/17 5:09pm

laurarichardson

Morgaine said:

laurarichardson said:

But he was not known for being a trusting person. It is a matter of not knowing who you are dealing with and it sounds like he could be really paranoid at times. I just do not see someone with those traits being anything from an unknown person.

We know that Kirk knew what was going on and Prince trusted him. We know his sister knows a few things because Prince trusted her.

These pills can be made right in the good old USA and Prince had enough money to have this done.

If you keep thinking that he did things just like everyone else you are going down the wrong road.

Everything this dude had right down to his shoes was custom made. Why would he not have his drugs custom made. In additon, their is no data that supports fentenyl being placed in the Watson 385s This drug was discontinued in 2015 and I have found nothing stating that these pills are being mixed Fentenyl in the streets.

Makes me question how Dr. S was able to write a script for Kirk for this stuff. Futher investigation needs to be done into to that but we do not know if it was done or what the results were concerning the pain pill Dr. S wrote for Kirk. Were they even legit or could that have been tampered with?

[Edited 11/9/17 9:21am]

Dr. S didn't prescribe Watson 385s, that is hydrocodone; he prescribed Percocet aka oxycodone. Different meds.

But the Fentenyl was in the hydrocodone stamped pillsl

[Edited 11/15/17 17:10pm]

Reply #442 posted 11/15/17 5:12pm

Morgaine

muleFunk said:

 



PennyPurple said:


The legit pills isn't what caused his death.



 


We've been saying this for almost 2 years now.


 


WE know this.


 


Instead of the focus being .... "OH Prince was a drug addict . " It should be why did he have 60 fake Vicodin pills when he could have gotten real ones and Where did they come from.


 


If those pills would have shown up after his death the DEA would have been on it like a duck on a June bug. Those pills haven't shown up anywhere outside of Paisley Park. I don't think a pill presser would have stopped at 60 pills.


The Watson 385s were very popular for a long time. It's possible he preferred them over other opiates/meds to treat his pain. Or not.
The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul
Reply #443 posted 11/15/17 5:13pm

purplefam99

morningsong said:

 



Menes said:


 



morningsong said:


 





I had already assumed Keith was a user long before I ever went to see a single show, long before I heard a single note.  Not a good example of someone hiding their issues.  





The question remains, were you able to tell he was using heroin based upon the way he played the guitar at a show?






Compared to what?


Look either you are sticking with facts or you're not,period.  So, if you are trying to slyly imply that nobody would be able to know that Prince was a drug user his entire life and that he hid it from everyone his entire life then that's just you speculating and trying to turn a personal thought into fact.   I've been a fan since day one, so yep I do think I'd be able to tell the difference in deterioration over 4 decades.  Keith has deteriated in his many decades.




I agree I have been a fan since 1978 and I think I would have noticed as well if
He was long term user. I’m not going to give him choir boy status, I’ll give
Him some here and there experimentation. And some overindulgience with wine.
But I think his issue with any addiction was around 2010 or when we see him physically decline. That is my opinion.

I will say I didn’t think Whitney was a druggie until she married bobby that was
Confirmation for me. Or when I saw her on an awards show sitting in the audience
Dressed like salt n peppa.
Reply #444 posted 11/15/17 5:15pm

Bodhitheblackdog

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:

Nope you are far from upsetting me. I feel you are trying to make me come to a conclusion based on one concert, and that I do not understand how. You have no idea if I wanted to be there, how much of the Stones music I'm familiar with, nothing, hell not even if I was stoned off my azz while I was there, I mean nothing beyond I was there. I wasn't stoned but you don't know that. Heck I could have spent the time flirting with the concessions guy. You want a conclusion based on very little information.

The warrant didn't specify for how long or when it started or any of that type of information. A few of them specifically used the word "recently", can you tell me an exact date just by that word? I know I can't, I'm not even sure what "recently" means, a month, six months, a year?


One thing we know is that "recently" is not 20 or 30 years.

as long as you are getting the drugs into your body you need not to be sick, you are not in withdrawel...

Reply #445 posted 11/15/17 5:16pm

Morgaine

Menes said:

 



laurarichardson said:


206Michelle said:

 


Regarding Dr. Schulenburg:


 


"Prince documents unsealed: No meds in home were prescribed to him"




By Sara Sidner, Rosalina Nieves and Alanne Orjoux, CNN


Updated 9:50 AM ET, Tue April 18, 2017




Source: http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/17/health/prince-death-investigation-documents/index.html


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"Schulenburg is a local doctor who arrived at Paisley Park after the singer's body was found in an elevator inside the complex, according to the documents.

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The doctor left his job at North Memorial Medical Center nearly three weeks after Prince's death.

According to a search warrant, Schulenberg told investigators he saw Prince on April 7 and April 20, and prescribed medications for Prince to be picked up at a Walgreens pharmacy. He went to Paisley Park on April 21 -- the day Prince was found -- to drop off test results, he said.

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Schulenberg said Monday he did not prescribe any opioid painkillers to Prince."

 


 



Sigh, In the serch warrant Dr.S is said to have said he did prescribe painkillers to Prince written for Kirk. Dr. S then put out a press release saying he did not. You have three people who should be in cuffs and they are not.

I think the mix up is in what was found in the bottle as opposed to what was prescribed. There are two parts to this story. We know from the warrant that Schuleneberg met with Prince and prescribed him lLonidine, Hydroxyzine Pamoate and Diazepam.  According to the warrant ,Kirk picked up those prescriptions on 4/20/2016 from Walgreens so you would think those were legitimate.  He said that was the first time he had done something like that for Prince.  That's part (1).  Dr. Schulenberg' statement is that he saw Prince on two occasions. (4-7-2016 and 4-20-2016). Dr. Schulenberg also admitted that he prescribed Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the emergency plane landing (4-14-2016) but put the prescription in Kirk Johnson's name for Prince's privacy.  That's part (2). That is the jist of the Dr. Schulenberg/Kirk/Prince connection.



Now, On 4-21-2016 ( the day Prince was found deceased) a suitcase was found next to his bed. Inside that suitcase were prescriptions pill bottles in the name of Johnson (this is where the confusion comes in).  The examination of those pills in the suitcase revealed that not all the pills inside the containers were pills listed on the prescription. So, the prescription bottles that Kirk had in his name is legitimate but someone switched the pills to make it appear as though they were legitimate when they were not. 

For instance, the Vitamin D bottle (prescription) had the Ondanestron Hydrochloride in there.

A second prescription bottle, said to contain Ondansetron , contained the controlled substance Acetaminophen/oxycodone.

The date those medications were prescribed to Johnson , according to the pill bottles , was 4/7/2016. The medications were prescribed by Dr.Schulenberg.  

So in essence, the only drugs that were prescribed to Prince  and are in Prince's name, are the ones Dr.Schulenberg prescribed for him that Kirk picked up on 4-20-2016. All the other pills that were found in Paisley park remains unaccounted for (  Prince's name) or having been entered into the monitor program data base.

That means that if Kirk had other prescriptions with his name on it, and only one shows up for Dr. Schulenberg in the data base, Kirk had another doctor writing prescriptions for him that has nothing to do with this case.  

The big take away was who was switching out the illicit pills into legitimate prescription bottles. Either one person was setting the other up to deflect and throw off the entire investigation, or, it was pre-arranged that way by both.  

[Edited 11/12/17 11:48am]



Nice summation. It's also possible P was doing putting pills in specfic or random bottles. As I previously stated, this is fairly common among people who want to hide their usage of meds for a large variety of reasons.
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Reply #446 posted 11/15/17 5:22pm

laurarichardson

Bodhitheblackdog said:

laurarichardson said:

One thing we know is that "recently" is not 20 or 30 years.

as long as you are getting the drugs into your body you need not to be sick, you are not in withdrawel...

But according to the serch warrants he was in withdrawal and had been for a while. Was he addicted or in withdrawal. The problem is we do not know so for you to draw up this imagnary senario is mine boggling. Are you working on a book or something?

Imagine being in withdrawal and being able to make a plane ride to Australia and actually staying an extra week and doing several shows. Never leaving the stage to vomit or crap. Never appearing sick or out it or irritated to the concert goers or the promoter. He felt so good about working with Prince he signed on to do more shows in the fall.

Does this make sense to you?

Reply #447 posted 11/15/17 5:22pm

Morgaine

Bodhitheblackdog said:

 



Menes said:


 



Bodhitheblackdog said:


 


OR were these pills just thrown around helter-skelter in drug induced fogs...percocet? oxy?


it's all good...anything that gets me out of my body. The numbers and variety of various pills, legit and street, indicate to me that's why he had been called a "pill man"...If anyone out there has ever been in close proximity to an addict, you know chaos and disorder is not unusual.



I don't think the warrants indicate that they were thrown around "helter skelter". What is clear is that there were placed in places Prince would frequently visit and concealed in containers that looked like vitamin /prescription bottles. Easy to find, easy to identify, easy to disguise.



Good clarification, what I meant to convey was he was apparently taking so much different stuff of varying legitimacy...how could anyone keep it straight? Do you think when you're impaired, you can look in your "Vitamin bottle" (probably in low light) and automatically recognize the strength/legitimacy of what you procurred illegally? Serious question...


Speaking from my own experience nearly a decade ago, yes. And for some it is fairly easy to 'function' as usual while on many meds.
Taking 1-2 pain pills when in pain doesn't necessarily make that person loaded or disoriented or uncoordinated, etc.
Depends on the person, meds prescribed, medical condition, etc.

Peace & Be Wild
The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul
Reply #448 posted 11/15/17 5:24pm

purplefam99

I wanna say that by and large everyone here has been courteous and made this back and forth and differing of views not at all cantankerous and
Pleasant despite the topic.
Reply #449 posted 11/15/17 5:27pm

purplefam99

If he wasn’t trying to withdraw wouldn’t that make performing impossible.
Isn’t that something that kinda takes you down for a bit.
Can you with draw slowly without getting sick?
Reply #450 posted 11/15/17 5:40pm

PennyPurple

Bodhitheblackdog said:

as long as you are getting the drugs into your body you need not to be sick, you are not in withdrawel...

Yes, you are right. Even if its a lower dose because they are weaning you off, you are not in withdrawel.

Reply #451 posted 11/15/17 5:41pm

Morgaine

morningsong said:

 



Bodhitheblackdog said:


 



Menes said:


 


I remember getting into the grunge scene in the 90's. I saw a lot of Nirvana concerts. The scene was always chaotic at concerts and full of energy. Kurt was a true headbanger. Smashing guitars, stage diving, it was non-stop high energy. Unless you lived in the underbelly of the Seattle grunge scene, you would never put "long term heroin addict and high energy shows in the same sentence. It wasn't until 1992 when child services got involved that the story began to unravel. Prior to that he was using, after the  child services incident, he continued using, before and after shows, he was using. You would never know it when he performed



People forget that the addict is only sick when they are cutting back or trying to stop using. That's why that's the most likely time the addict will die of an overdose...when you're getting what you need every day to be good...you're fine...





That is not what the professional literature says.



Depends what literature is being read and its purpose/POV.
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Reply #452 posted 11/15/17 5:46pm

morningsong

Morgaine said:

muleFunk said:

We've been saying this for almost 2 years now.

WE know this.

Instead of the focus being .... "OH Prince was a drug addict . " It should be why did he have 60 fake Vicodin pills when he could have gotten real ones and Where did they come from.

If those pills would have shown up after his death the DEA would have been on it like a duck on a June bug. Those pills haven't shown up anywhere outside of Paisley Park. I don't think a pill presser would have stopped at 60 pills.

The Watson 385s were very popular for a long time. It's possible he preferred them over other opiates/meds to treat his pain. Or not.



The warrant says they were all 853s. The media says it was 3**(I forgot, 385 or 358). Both are Watson's, both are hydrocodine with the 3** having more acetaminophen and less hydro. The major difference is 853s are currently popular to prescribe. The original 3** stopped being legally manufactured back around 2014 iirc because of it's high dose of acetaminophen and the original company was bought out.

Reply #453 posted 11/15/17 5:47pm

Morgaine

laurarichardson said:

 



Morgaine said:


laurarichardson said:

 


But he was not known for being a trusting person. It is a matter of not knowing who you are dealing with and it sounds like he could be really paranoid at times.  I just do not see someone with those traits being anything from an unknown person. 


 


We know that Kirk knew what was going on and Prince trusted him. We know his sister knows a few things because Prince trusted her. 


 


These pills can be made right in the good old USA and Prince had enough money to have this done. 


If you keep thinking that he did things just like everyone else you are going down the wrong  road. 


 


Everything this dude had right down to his shoes was custom made. Why would he not have his drugs custom made. In additon, their is no data that supports fentenyl being placed in the Watson 385s  This drug was discontinued in 2015 and I have found nothing stating that these pills are being mixed Fentenyl in the streets. 


Makes me question how Dr. S was able to write a script for Kirk for this stuff. Futher investigation needs to be done into to that but we do not know if it was done or what the results were concerning the pain pill Dr. S wrote for Kirk. Were they even legit or could that have been tampered with? 


 


[Edited 11/9/17 9:21am]



Dr. S didn't prescribe Watson 385s, that is hydrocodone; he prescribed Percocet aka oxycodone. Different meds.

But the Fentenyl was in the hydrocodone stamped pillsl 


 

[Edited 11/15/17 17:10pm]



Yes, that's the point. The 385s are fake, they aren't made (legally) anymore. So, it makes sense that the 385s had fentanyl.
The opiates Dr S prescribed are Percocet and have a different stamp. They did not test positive for fentanyl.

Peace & Be Wild
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Reply #454 posted 11/15/17 5:50pm

morningsong

Morgaine said:

morningsong said:



That is not what the professional literature says.

Depends what literature is being read and its purpose/POV.



You find me professional literature that says addicts only get sick when they are withdrawing due to cutting back.

Reply #455 posted 11/15/17 5:51pm

PennyPurple

Morgaine said:

laurarichardson said:

But the Fentenyl was in the hydrocodone stamped pillsl

[Edited 11/15/17 17:10pm]

Yes, that's the point. The 385s are fake, they aren't made (legally) anymore. So, it makes sense that the 385s had fentanyl. The opiates Dr S prescribed are Percocet and have a different stamp. They did not test positive for fentanyl. Peace & Be Wild

What about the 853's? That's what they found at Paisley Park, or so the warrant says, which I tend to believe.

Reply #456 posted 11/15/17 5:51pm

Morgaine

laurarichardson said:

 



Bodhitheblackdog said:


 



laurarichardson said:


 


One thing we know is that "recently" is not 20 or 30 years. 



as long as you are getting the drugs into your body you need not to be sick, you are not in withdrawel...



But according to the serch warrants he was in withdrawal and had been for a while. Was he addicted or in withdrawal. The problem is we do not know so for you to draw up this imagnary senario is mine boggling. Are you working on a book or something? 


 


Imagine being in withdrawal and being able to make a plane ride to Australia and actually staying an extra week and doing several shows. Never leaving the stage to vomit or crap. Never appearing sick or out it or irritated to the concert goers or the promoter. He felt so good about working with Prince he signed on to do more shows in the fall. 


 


Does this make sense to you? 



At the very least, he was dependent on opiates; if he wasn't he wouldn't have been going through withdrawal.

Peace & Be Wild
The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul
Reply #457 posted 11/15/17 5:53pm

morningsong

Morgaine said:

laurarichardson said:

But the Fentenyl was in the hydrocodone stamped pillsl

[Edited 11/15/17 17:10pm]

Yes, that's the point. The 385s are fake, they aren't made (legally) anymore. So, it makes sense that the 385s had fentanyl. The opiates Dr S prescribed are Percocet and have a different stamp. They did not test positive for fentanyl. Peace & Be Wild



So I'm guessing the media is saying that Dr. S prescribed percocet because none are listed on the warrants. So he must not have prescribed for 6 days time.

Reply #458 posted 11/15/17 5:54pm

purplefam99

PennyPurple said:

 



Bodhitheblackdog said:


 



 



as long as you are getting the drugs into your body you need not to be sick, you are not in withdrawel...



Yes, you are right. Even if its a lower dose because they are weaning you off, you are not in withdrawel. 




Ok so when Kirk says he had been suffering from withdrawal that was not true???
Because he was not in withdrawal. Lowering dose is not withdrawal?
Sorry I’m confused.
Reply #459 posted 11/15/17 5:58pm

purplefam99

Morgaine said:

laurarichardson said:

 



Bodhitheblackdog said:


 



laurarichardson said:


 


One thing we know is that "recently" is not 20 or 30 years. 



as long as you are getting the drugs into your body you need not to be sick, you are not in withdrawel...



But according to the serch warrants he was in withdrawal and had been for a while. Was he addicted or in withdrawal. The problem is we do not know so for you to draw up this imagnary senario is mine boggling. Are you working on a book or something? 


 


Imagine being in withdrawal and being able to make a plane ride to Australia and actually staying an extra week and doing several shows. Never leaving the stage to vomit or crap. Never appearing sick or out it or irritated to the concert goers or the promoter. He felt so good about working with Prince he signed on to do more shows in the fall. 


 


Does this make sense to you? 



At the very least, he was dependent on opiates; if he wasn't he wouldn't have been going through withdrawal.

Peace & Be Wild



I am thinking the withdrawal statement is not true, that was just something he said cause he didn’t know what else to say.
Reply #460 posted 11/15/17 5:58pm

Morgaine

morningsong said:

 



Morgaine said:


muleFunk said:

 


 


We've been saying this for almost 2 years now.


 


WE know this.


 


Instead of the focus being .... "OH Prince was a drug addict . " It should be why did he have 60 fake Vicodin pills when he could have gotten real ones and Where did they come from.


 


If those pills would have shown up after his death the DEA would have been on it like a duck on a June bug. Those pills haven't shown up anywhere outside of Paisley Park. I don't think a pill presser would have stopped at 60 pills.



The Watson 385s were very popular for a long time. It's possible he preferred them over other opiates/meds to treat his pain. Or not.



The warrant says they were all 853s.  The media says it was 3**(I forgot, 385 or 358).  Both are Watson's, both are hydrocodine with the 3** having more acetaminophen and less hydro.  The major difference is 853s are currently popular to prescribe.  The original 3** stopped being legally manufactured back around 2014 iirc because of it's high dose of acetaminophen and the original company was bought out.



The acetaminophen dosage is the same in the discontinued & the current brand at 325 mg.
I seem to recall something to do with inactive ingredients (dye, additives, etc) but I could be wrong as I can't recall any specifics.
The name 'Watson' in re opiates was/is well known for the original 10/325 yellow pills - very popular in the underground market until they stopped being made.

Peace & Be Wild
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Reply #461 posted 11/15/17 6:04pm

Morgaine

morningsong said:

 



Morgaine said:


morningsong said:

 




That is not what the professional literature says.



Depends what literature is being read and its purpose/POV.



You find me professional literature that says addicts only get sick when they are withdrawing due to cutting back.  



There is a plethora of literature readily available online. Feel free smile
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Reply #462 posted 11/15/17 6:06pm

morningsong

Morgaine said:

morningsong said:



You find me professional literature that says addicts only get sick when they are withdrawing due to cutting back.

There is a plethora of literature readily available online. Feel free smile



Exactly.

Reply #463 posted 11/15/17 6:07pm

PennyPurple

purplefam99 said:

PennyPurple said:

Yes, you are right. Even if its a lower dose because they are weaning you off, you are not in withdrawel.

Ok so when Kirk says he had been suffering from withdrawal that was not true??? Because he was not in withdrawal. Lowering dose is not withdrawal? Sorry I’m confused.

I don't believe anything Kirk says.



To me withdrawel is going cold turkey...from something to nothing.


Weaning off is going down to a lower dose.

Reply #464 posted 11/15/17 6:07pm

Morgaine

PennyPurple said:

 



Morgaine said:


laurarichardson said:

 


But the Fentenyl was in the hydrocodone stamped pillsl 


 


[Edited 11/15/17 17:10pm]



Yes, that's the point. The 385s are fake, they aren't made (legally) anymore. So, it makes sense that the 385s had fentanyl. The opiates Dr S prescribed are Percocet and have a different stamp. They did not test positive for fentanyl. Peace & Be Wild

What about the 853's? That's what they found at Paisley Park, or so the warrant says, which I tend to believe.



There are inconsistencies in the #s given on the warrant & that in the media. The 853/385s found at PP stopped being (legally) made about 7 years ago but whether they are stated as being 853 or 385 they're the same meds.
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Reply #465 posted 11/15/17 6:10pm

Morgaine

morningsong said:

 



Morgaine said:


laurarichardson said:

 


But the Fentenyl was in the hydrocodone stamped pillsl 


 


[Edited 11/15/17 17:10pm]



Yes, that's the point. The 385s are fake, they aren't made (legally) anymore. So, it makes sense that the 385s had fentanyl. The opiates Dr S prescribed are Percocet and have a different stamp. They did not test positive for fentanyl. Peace & Be Wild



So I'm guessing the media is saying that Dr. S prescribed percocet because none are listed on the warrants.  So he must not have prescribed for 6 days time.



I thought the Percocet/oxycodone was info was included in the warrants? That Dr S prescribed them for P in Kirk's name the day of the plane OD.
The inconsistency is that Dr S told the media he never prescribed any opiates for P but that's not what he told law enforcement.
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Reply #466 posted 11/15/17 6:10pm

Menes

purplefam99 said:

morningsong said:




Compared to what?


Look either you are sticking with facts or you're not,period. So, if you are trying to slyly imply that nobody would be able to know that Prince was a drug user his entire life and that he hid it from everyone his entire life then that's just you speculating and trying to turn a personal thought into fact. I've been a fan since day one, so yep I do think I'd be able to tell the difference in deterioration over 4 decades. Keith has deteriated in his many decades.

I agree I have been a fan since 1978 and I think I would have noticed as well if He was long term user. I’m not going to give him choir boy status, I’ll give Him some here and there experimentation. And some overindulgience with wine. But I think his issue with any addiction was around 2010 or when we see him physically decline. That is my opinion. I will say I didn’t think Whitney was a druggie until she married bobby that was Confirmation for me. Or when I saw her on an awards show sitting in the audience Dressed like salt n peppa.

We know who the hardest working man in show business was... James Brown. Never was a doubt. Do you know his history of drug use in one form or another since 1988? Did you know he would get high before and after shows consistently? If you saw him perform ,you would never have guessed it.

[Edited 11/15/17 18:13pm]

Reply #467 posted 11/15/17 6:10pm

morningsong

Morgaine said:

morningsong said:



The warrant says they were all 853s. The media says it was 3**(I forgot, 385 or 358). Both are Watson's, both are hydrocodine with the 3** having more acetaminophen and less hydro. The major difference is 853s are currently popular to prescribe. The original 3** stopped being legally manufactured back around 2014 iirc because of it's high dose of acetaminophen and the original company was bought out.

The acetaminophen dosage is the same in the discontinued & the current brand at 325 mg. I seem to recall something to do with inactive ingredients (dye, additives, etc) but I could be wrong as I can't recall any specifics. The name 'Watson' in re opiates was/is well known for the original 10/325 yellow pills - very popular in the underground market until they stopped being made. Peace & Be Wild



I think these are the old ones the media was talking about.



Image for hydrocodone-acetaminophen oral 7.5-500 mg

These had 7.5/500

Since I'm not at home I can't readily pull up any articles to make double sure.

Reply #468 posted 11/15/17 6:22pm

Morgaine

purplefam99 said:

Morgaine said:



At the very least, he was dependent on opiates; if he wasn't he wouldn't have been going through withdrawal.

Peace & Be Wild



I am thinking the withdrawal statement is not true, that was just something he said cause he didn’t know what else to say.


Just from the Narcan shots, he'd have gone into immediate withdrawal. And I find it extremely tough to believe he only took 1-2 pills & it took two shots to revive him. Most often, opiate intoxicatation causes the individual to vomit unless combined with other meds/drugs. He just nodded out, according to Judith.
I personally believe he had chronic pain from performing 30+ years. Anytime a person takes any type of meds on a daily/regular basis, the body (and mind) become habituated. If one decreases the dosage enough or stops taking it, their body goes into withdrawal. Doesn't matter if it's Advair or Oxycodone.
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Reply #469 posted 11/15/17 6:26pm

morningsong

Morgaine said:

morningsong said:



So I'm guessing the media is saying that Dr. S prescribed percocet because none are listed on the warrants. So he must not have prescribed for 6 days time.

I thought the Percocet/oxycodone was info was included in the warrants? That Dr S prescribed them for P in Kirk's name the day of the plane OD. The inconsistency is that Dr S told the media he never prescribed any opiates for P but that's not what he told law enforcement.



The warrants don't specify the brand or make of the pill that was prescribed on the 14th. But the warrant issued on 4/21/16 list all that was found in PP, and none of them were percocet or U-47700.

Dr. S. prescribed them for Kirk, not Prince on the 14th. Also, some other non-controlled stuff in Kirk's name on the 20th.

Reply #470 posted 11/15/17 6:28pm

Menes

Morgaine said:

purplefam99 said:
I am thinking the withdrawal statement is not true, that was just something he said cause he didn’t know what else to say.
Just from the Narcan shots, he'd have gone into immediate withdrawal. And I find it extremely tough to believe he only took 1-2 pills & it took two shots to revive him. Most often, opiate intoxicatation causes the individual to vomit unless combined with other meds/drugs. He just nodded out, according to Judith. I personally believe he had chronic pain from performing 30+ years. Anytime a person takes any type of meds on a daily/regular basis, the body (and mind) become habituated. If one decreases the dosage enough or stops taking it, their body goes into withdrawal. Doesn't matter if it's Advair or Oxycodone.

Which usually means doubling up in efforts to reach that summit of a high when they resume .

Reply #471 posted 11/15/17 6:31pm

Bodhitheblackdog

Menes said:

purplefam99 said:

morningsong said: I agree I have been a fan since 1978 and I think I would have noticed as well if He was long term user. I’m not going to give him choir boy status, I’ll give Him some here and there experimentation. And some overindulgience with wine. But I think his issue with any addiction was around 2010 or when we see him physically decline. That is my opinion. I will say I didn’t think Whitney was a druggie until she married bobby that was Confirmation for me. Or when I saw her on an awards show sitting in the audience Dressed like salt n peppa.

We know who the hardest working man in show business was... James Brown. Never was a doubt. Do you know his history of drug use in one form or another since 1988? Did you know he would get high before and after shows consistently? If you saw him perform ,you would never have guessed it.

[Edited 11/15/17 18:13pm]

yes

Reply #472 posted 11/15/17 6:31pm

PennyPurple

Morgaine said:

purplefam99 said:
I am thinking the withdrawal statement is not true, that was just something he said cause he didn’t know what else to say.
Just from the Narcan shots, he'd have gone into immediate withdrawal. And I find it extremely tough to believe he only took 1-2 pills & it took two shots to revive him. Most often, opiate intoxicatation causes the individual to vomit unless combined with other meds/drugs. He just nodded out, according to Judith. I personally believe he had chronic pain from performing 30+ years. Anytime a person takes any type of meds on a daily/regular basis, the body (and mind) become habituated. If one decreases the dosage enough or stops taking it, their body goes into withdrawal. Doesn't matter if it's Advair or Oxycodone.

I said the same thing about the Narcan shots that it would put him in immediate withdrawal, but of course somebody (who likes to argue) said that wasn't true because the shot still left some of the opiates in his system. They also said he only had 1 shot, even though it was reported that he had 2 shots.

Reply #473 posted 11/15/17 6:34pm

Morgaine

morningsong said:

 



Morgaine said:


morningsong said:

 




The warrant says they were all 853s.  The media says it was 3**(I forgot, 385 or 358).  Both are Watson's, both are hydrocodine with the 3** having more acetaminophen and less hydro.  The major difference is 853s are currently popular to prescribe.  The original 3** stopped being legally manufactured back around 2014 iirc because of it's high dose of acetaminophen and the original company was bought out.



The acetaminophen dosage is the same in the discontinued & the current brand at 325 mg. I seem to recall something to do with inactive ingredients (dye, additives, etc) but I could be wrong as I can't recall any specifics. The name 'Watson' in re opiates was/is well known for the original 10/325 yellow pills - very popular in the underground market until they stopped being made. Peace & Be Wild



I think these are the old ones the media was talking about.



Image for hydrocodone-acetaminophen oral 7.5-500 mg

These had 7.5/500

Since I'm not at home I can't readily pull up any articles to make double sure.



Those that I was referring to are bright yellow, stamped 853, & have 10 mg hydrocodone & 325 mg acetaminophen. They have been discontinued. Their image is here:
https://www.drugs.com/imprints/watson-853-10141.html
Generally, hydrocodone is known as either Vicodin or Norco. Vicodin has 500 or more mg acetaminophen and Norco has 325 my acetaminophen.

Peace & Be Wild
The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul
Reply #474 posted 11/15/17 6:35pm

morningsong

Morgaine said:

PennyPurple said:

What about the 853's? That's what they found at Paisley Park, or so the warrant says, which I tend to believe.

There are inconsistencies in the #s given on the warrant & that in the media. The 853/385s found at PP stopped being (legally) made about 7 years ago but whether they are stated as being 853 or 385 they're the same meds.



853s are quite popular and are still made by a different company, they are 10/325. The 385s were completely discontinued, they are 7.5/500. So no they are not the same medication.

Reply #475 posted 11/15/17 6:38pm

Bodhitheblackdog

Menes said:

Morgaine said:

purplefam99 said: Just from the Narcan shots, he'd have gone into immediate withdrawal. And I find it extremely tough to believe he only took 1-2 pills & it took two shots to revive him. Most often, opiate intoxicatation causes the individual to vomit unless combined with other meds/drugs. He just nodded out, according to Judith. I personally believe he had chronic pain from performing 30+ years. Anytime a person takes any type of meds on a daily/regular basis, the body (and mind) become habituated. If one decreases the dosage enough or stops taking it, their body goes into withdrawal. Doesn't matter if it's Advair or Oxycodone.

Which usually means doubling up in efforts to reach that summit of a high when they resume .

Exactly what I pointed out earlier: the most dangerous time for an addict, the period in which they are most likely to OD is right at the point when their consumption is at the lowest. I am sure this was explained in detail to Prince in the hospital in Moline and was why the hospital recommended HE NOT check himself out. But he did.....and rode his bike, patted his new purple piano and had a little party...

Reply #476 posted 11/15/17 6:40pm

PennyPurple

Morgaine said:

Those that I was referring to are bright yellow, stamped 853, & have 10 mg hydrocodone & 325 mg acetaminophen. They have been discontinued. Their image is here: https://www.drugs.com/imp...10141.html Generally, hydrocodone is known as either Vicodin or Norco. Vicodin has 500 or more mg acetaminophen and Norco has 325 my acetaminophen. Peace & Be Wild

But Vicodin with 500mg of acetaminophen is no longer. Now the highest mgs of acetaminophen is 325mg.

Reply #477 posted 11/15/17 6:44pm

Morgaine

Menes said:

 



Morgaine said:


purplefam99 said:
I am thinking the withdrawal statement is not true, that was just something he said cause he didn’t know what else to say.

Just from the Narcan shots, he'd have gone into immediate withdrawal. And I find it extremely tough to believe he only took 1-2 pills & it took two shots to revive him. Most often, opiate intoxicatation causes the individual to vomit unless combined with other meds/drugs. He just nodded out, according to Judith. I personally believe he had chronic pain from performing 30+ years. Anytime a person takes any type of meds on a daily/regular basis, the body (and mind) become habituated. If one decreases the dosage enough or stops taking it, their body goes into withdrawal. Doesn't matter if it's Advair or Oxycodone.

Which usually means doubling up in efforts to reach that summit of a high when they resume .



Either that or the person uses the same amount and unintentionally ODs. It's actually quite common.
This was interesting information I found on opium.org about Narcan.
"Naloxone on the other hand has a half life of 2 to 12 hours. This means that it takes the body between 48 to 84 hours to remove it from its system. Complete blocking of opiates continues until approximately 24 hours after a person takes Suboxone."
The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul
Reply #478 posted 11/15/17 6:45pm

Morgaine

PennyPurple said:

 



Morgaine said:


purplefam99 said:
I am thinking the withdrawal statement is not true, that was just something he said cause he didn’t know what else to say.

Just from the Narcan shots, he'd have gone into immediate withdrawal. And I find it extremely tough to believe he only took 1-2 pills & it took two shots to revive him. Most often, opiate intoxicatation causes the individual to vomit unless combined with other meds/drugs. He just nodded out, according to Judith. I personally believe he had chronic pain from performing 30+ years. Anytime a person takes any type of meds on a daily/regular basis, the body (and mind) become habituated. If one decreases the dosage enough or stops taking it, their body goes into withdrawal. Doesn't matter if it's Advair or Oxycodone.

I said the same thing about the Narcan shots that it would put him in immediate withdrawal, but of course somebody (who likes to argue) said that wasn't true because the shot still left some of the opiates in his system. They also said he only had 1 shot, even though it was reported that he had 2 shots. 




biggrin I just posted info that refutes that.
The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul
Reply #479 posted 11/15/17 6:46pm

morningsong

Morgaine said:

morningsong said:



I think these are the old ones the media was talking about.



Image for hydrocodone-acetaminophen oral 7.5-500 mg

These had 7.5/500

Since I'm not at home I can't readily pull up any articles to make double sure.

Those that I was referring to are bright yellow, stamped 853, & have 10 mg hydrocodone & 325 mg acetaminophen. They have been discontinued. Their image is here: https://www.drugs.com/imp...10141.html Generally, hydrocodone is known as either Vicodin or Norco. Vicodin has 500 or more mg acetaminophen and Norco has 325 my acetaminophen. Peace & Be Wild


We are reading the same thing.


Yeah the new ones are white stamped the same and are still 10/325.



This pill with imprint "WATSON 853" is White, Capsule-shape and has been identified as Acetaminophen and hydrocodone bitartrate 325 mg / 10 mg. It is supplied by Watson Laboratories, Inc..

Watson Pharmaceuticals, Inc.,
is now part of Allergan plc (March 2015)

Reply #480 posted 11/15/17 6:54pm

Morgaine

morningsong said:

 



Morgaine said:


PennyPurple said:

 


What about the 853's? That's what they found at Paisley Park, or so the warrant says, which I tend to believe.



There are inconsistencies in the #s given on the warrant & that in the media. The 853/385s found at PP stopped being (legally) made about 7 years ago but whether they are stated as being 853 or 385 they're the same meds.



853s are quite popular and are still made by a different company, they are 10/325.  The 385s were completely discontinued, they are 7.5/500.  So no they are not the same medication.



They actually did discontinue the yellow 10/325 Watson's that were so popular - they removed the yellow dye and they are now white.
It is my understanding that the Watson company does not manufacture hydrocodone anymore, a company called Actavis (sp?) does. I have a friend who takes these for chronic pain and had to switch meds because the newer version didn't work the same.
Thanks for the information you provided. The media reporting a different # than the search warrant was confusing.

Peace & Be Wild

Peace & Be Wild
The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul
Reply #481 posted 11/15/17 6:58pm

morningsong

Morgaine said:

morningsong said:



853s are quite popular and are still made by a different company, they are 10/325. The 385s were completely discontinued, they are 7.5/500. So no they are not the same medication.

They actually did discontinue the yellow 10/325 Watson's that were so popular - they removed the yellow dye and they are now white. It is my understanding that the Watson company does not manufacture hydrocodone anymore, a company called Actavis (sp?) does. I have a friend who takes these for chronic pain and had to switch meds because the newer version didn't work the same. Thanks for the information you provided. The media reporting a different # than the search warrant was confusing. Peace & Be Wild Peace & Be Wild




So true.




Reply #482 posted 11/15/17 7:00pm

Morgaine

PennyPurple said:

 



Morgaine said:



 


 



Those that I was referring to are bright yellow, stamped 853, & have 10 mg hydrocodone & 325 mg acetaminophen. They have been discontinued. Their image is here: https://www.drugs.com/imprints/watson-853-10141.html Generally, hydrocodone is known as either Vicodin or Norco. Vicodin has 500 or more mg acetaminophen and Norco has 325 my acetaminophen. Peace & Be Wild

But Vicodin with 500mg of acetaminophen is no longer. Now the highest mgs of acetaminophen is 325mg.



It seems they changed the names of hydro meds; Vicodin and Norco have the same acetaminophen but Lortab hss 500 mg.

I apologise for the misinformation... didn't realize it had changed so much. Thanks for the correction :)

Peace & Be Wild
The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul
Reply #483 posted 11/15/17 7:08pm

Menes

Morgaine said:

Menes said:

Which usually means doubling up in efforts to reach that summit of a high when they resume .

Either that or the person uses the same amount and unintentionally ODs. It's actually quite common. This was interesting information I found on opium.org about Narcan. "Naloxone on the other hand has a half life of 2 to 12 hours. This means that it takes the body between 48 to 84 hours to remove it from its system. Complete blocking of opiates continues until approximately 24 hours after a person takes Suboxone."

I think I posted sometime back that they never stated that the fentanyl in his blood came from the pills that were found. As a matter of fact, it almost seemed as though it was separate from the pills that were found when I read it. I will have to find that post.

Reply #484 posted 11/15/17 7:12pm

Menes

Menes said:

Morgaine said:

Menes said: Either that or the person uses the same amount and unintentionally ODs. It's actually quite common. This was interesting information I found on opium.org about Narcan. "Naloxone on the other hand has a half life of 2 to 12 hours. This means that it takes the body between 48 to 84 hours to remove it from its system. Complete blocking of opiates continues until approximately 24 hours after a person takes Suboxone."

I think I posted sometime back that they never stated that the fentanyl in his blood came from the pills that were found. As a matter of fact, it almost seemed as though it was separate from the pills that were found when I read it. I will have to find that post.

September 19th, 2016 warrant:

Toggle down to the paragraph beginning with : On Monday , 05-09-16 ( ME call)



The paragraph after that indicates that" the investigation into Prince's death began focusing on where Prince obtained the fentanyl and controlled narcotic prescription medication located in his bedroom the day of his death and who gave it to him".

They already knew where the Oxycodone prescription came from because Dr Schulenberg's statement on 4-21-2016 told them so. There would be no need to confirm the same information .

1. Is the statement saying that this medication is the same one or another medication?

2. Is the statement saying that the fentanyl is separate from the medication that was found in the bedroom?

3. Is the statement saying that the medication and the fentanyl are one?

Reply #485 posted 11/15/17 7:14pm

Menes

Menes said:

Menes said:

I think I posted sometime back that they never stated that the fentanyl in his blood came from the pills that were found. As a matter of fact, it almost seemed as though it was separate from the pills that were found when I read it. I will have to find that post.

September 19th, 2016 warrant:

Toggle down to the paragraph beginning with : On Monday , 05-09-16 ( ME call)



The paragraph after that indicates that" the investigation into Prince's death began focusing on where Prince obtained the fentanyl and controlled narcotic prescription medication located in his bedroom the day of his death and who gave it to him".

They already knew where the Oxycodone prescription came from because Dr Schulenberg's statement on 4-21-2016 told them so. There would be no need to confirm the same information .

1. Is the statement saying that this medication is the same one or another medication?

2. Is the statement saying that the fentanyl is separate from the medication that was found in the bedroom?

3. Is the statement saying that the medication and the fentanyl are one?

Couldn't make heads or tail of that statement.

Reply #486 posted 11/15/17 7:16pm

Bodhitheblackdog

Gee, why do I get the disheartening feeling that we are putting more effort/thought into drilling down into these questions than the police?

Reply #487 posted 11/15/17 7:20pm

purplefam99

PennyPurple said:

 



purplefam99 said:


PennyPurple said:

 


Yes, you are right. Even if its a lower dose because they are weaning you off, you are not in withdrawel. 



Ok so when Kirk says he had been suffering from withdrawal that was not true??? Because he was not in withdrawal. Lowering dose is not withdrawal? Sorry I’m confused.

I don't believe anything Kirk says. 




To me withdrawel is going cold turkey...from something to nothing.



Weaning off is going down to a lower dose.





Ok that is what I thought too, withdrawing is stopping. To me.
Reply #488 posted 11/15/17 7:21pm

precioux

Several AP reports stated that at least 2 dozen of the illicit, fake/falsely stamped pills were tested and were found to contain fentanyl. I believe this AP report was from 8/16.




Menes said:

 



Menes said:


 



Morgaine said:


Menes said: Either that or the person uses the same amount and unintentionally ODs. It's actually quite common. This was interesting information I found on opium.org about Narcan. "Naloxone on the other hand has a half life of 2 to 12 hours. This means that it takes the body between 48 to 84 hours to remove it from its system. Complete blocking of opiates continues until approximately 24 hours after a person takes Suboxone."

I think I posted sometime back that they never stated that the fentanyl in his blood came from the pills that were found. As a matter of fact, it almost seemed as though it was separate from the pills that were found when I read it.  I will have to find that post.



September 19th, 2016 warrant:

Toggle down to the paragraph beginning with : On Monday , 05-09-16 ( ME call)



The paragraph after that indicates that" the investigation into Prince's death began focusing on where Prince obtained the fentanyl and controlled narcotic prescription medication located in his bedroom the day of his death and who gave it to him".

They already knew where the Oxycodone prescription came from because Dr Schulenberg's statement on 4-21-2016 told them so. There would be no need to confirm the same information . 

1. Is the statement saying that this medication is the same one or another medication? 

2. Is the statement saying that the fentanyl is separate from the medication that was found in the bedroom?

3. Is the statement saying that the medication and the fentanyl are one?

Reply #489 posted 11/15/17 7:23pm

Bodhitheblackdog

Hey precioux...missed you!

Reply #490 posted 11/15/17 7:26pm

morningsong

Menes said:

Menes said:

I think I posted sometime back that they never stated that the fentanyl in his blood came from the pills that were found. As a matter of fact, it almost seemed as though it was separate from the pills that were found when I read it. I will have to find that post.

September 19th, 2016 warrant:

Toggle down to the paragraph beginning with : On Monday , 05-09-16 ( ME call)



The paragraph after that indicates that" the investigation into Prince's death began focusing on where Prince obtained the fentanyl and controlled narcotic prescription medication located in his bedroom the day of his death and who gave it to him".

They already knew where the Oxycodone prescription came from because Dr Schulenberg's statement on 4-21-2016 told them so. There would be no need to confirm the same information .

1. Is the statement saying that this medication is the same one or another medication?

2. Is the statement saying that the fentanyl is separate from the medication that was found in the bedroom?

3. Is the statement saying that the medication and the fentanyl are one?



There were 3 bottles found with 853s per the 1st warrant. Not all were in the bedroom, and not all the bottles were specified where they were found. In fact only one bottle was specified where it was found, in the dressing room.

My question is which ones where supposedly the Oxycodone prescribed for Kirk on the 14th, were they even there and actually for Kirk or was it just a few tablets so they were already used up by the 20th? shrug

Reply #491 posted 11/15/17 7:30pm

precioux

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Hey precioux...missed you!


wave party hug
Reply #492 posted 11/15/17 7:30pm

morningsong

Menes said:

Morgaine said:

Menes said: Either that or the person uses the same amount and unintentionally ODs. It's actually quite common. This was interesting information I found on opium.org about Narcan. "Naloxone on the other hand has a half life of 2 to 12 hours. This means that it takes the body between 48 to 84 hours to remove it from its system. Complete blocking of opiates continues until approximately 24 hours after a person takes Suboxone."

I think I posted sometime back that they never stated that the fentanyl in his blood came from the pills that were found. As a matter of fact, it almost seemed as though it was separate from the pills that were found when I read it. I will have to find that post.




The warrants didn't specify that in any way form or fashion, they just said that they got a call from the ME who stated it was a fentanyl overdose. Nothing in the warrants pointed to any of the pills.



Reply #493 posted 11/15/17 7:31pm

purplefam99

Morgaine said:

purplefam99 said:




I am thinking the withdrawal statement is not true, that was just something he said cause he didn’t know what else to say.


Just from the Narcan shots, he'd have gone into immediate withdrawal. And I find it extremely tough to believe he only took 1-2 pills & it took two shots to revive him. Most often, opiate intoxicatation causes the individual to vomit unless combined with other meds/drugs. He just nodded out, according to Judith.
I personally believe he had chronic pain from performing 30+ years. Anytime a person takes any type of meds on a daily/regular basis, the body (and mind) become habituated. If one decreases the dosage enough or stops taking it, their body goes into withdrawal. Doesn't matter if it's Advair or Oxycodone.


So if the narcan sent him into immediate withdrawal, is that a state he could
Reasonably be in and function on a flight home. Would he be normal? Would the
Habituation still be there? Would it just be pain he was in and would have to deal with? After the narcan how does the patient treat themselves?
Reply #494 posted 11/15/17 7:39pm

Menes

morningsong said:

Menes said:

I think I posted sometime back that they never stated that the fentanyl in his blood came from the pills that were found. As a matter of fact, it almost seemed as though it was separate from the pills that were found when I read it. I will have to find that post.




The warrants didn't specify that in any way form or fashion, they just said that they got a call from the ME who stated it was a fentanyl overdose. Nothing in the warrants pointed to any of the pills.



Do you have the September warrant? It's been a while since I looked at that.

Reply #495 posted 11/15/17 7:40pm

purplefam99

Bodhitheblackdog said:

 



Menes said:


 



Morgaine said:


purplefam99 said: Just from the Narcan shots, he'd have gone into immediate withdrawal. And I find it extremely tough to believe he only took 1-2 pills & it took two shots to revive him. Most often, opiate intoxicatation causes the individual to vomit unless combined with other meds/drugs. He just nodded out, according to Judith. I personally believe he had chronic pain from performing 30+ years. Anytime a person takes any type of meds on a daily/regular basis, the body (and mind) become habituated. If one decreases the dosage enough or stops taking it, their body goes into withdrawal. Doesn't matter if it's Advair or Oxycodone.

Which usually means doubling up in efforts to reach that summit of a high when they resume .



Exactly what I pointed out earlier: the most dangerous time for an addict, the period in which they are most likely to OD is right at the point when their consumption is at the lowest. I am sure this was explained in detail to Prince in the hospital in Moline and was why the hospital recommended HE NOT check himself out. But he did.....and rode his bike, patted his new purple piano and had a little party...




So was the bike riding and record shopping him still clean off the narcan and 4/21 a doubling up to summit mistake?
Reply #496 posted 11/15/17 7:49pm

Menes

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Gee, why do I get the disheartening feeling that we are putting more effort/thought into drilling down into these questions than the police?

Maybe it's true. Absent of any arrest, they may have concluded that Prince did what Prince did. It's not a stretch.

If you choose to self administer "x", and have knowledge that there is a high risk that you will die from it, you are already prepared to die.

Reply #497 posted 11/15/17 7:55pm

PennyPurple

With that much fentanyl in the pills, just touching them could be dangerous, right? So they had to be touched several times by somebody, because they were put in other bottles. In fact just touching them could be deadly.

Reply #498 posted 11/15/17 8:02pm

Menes

PennyPurple said:

With that much fentanyl in the pills, just touching them could be dangerous, right? So they had to be touched several times by somebody, because they were put in other bottles. In fact just touching them could be deadly.

That's a very good point. I still dont believe that what he took was in the same batch as what was found.

Reply #499 posted 11/15/17 8:13pm

Bodhitheblackdog

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

With that much fentanyl in the pills, just touching them could be dangerous, right? So they had to be touched several times by somebody, because they were put in other bottles. In fact just touching them could be deadly.

That's a very good point. I still dont believe that what he took was in the same batch as what was found.

Exactly, it was his own special little stash for the moment when HE decided he was done. Control freak to the end .RIP.

Reply #500 posted 11/15/17 8:25pm

precioux

PennyPurple said:

With that much fentanyl in the pills, just touching them could be dangerous, right? So they had to be touched several times by somebody, because they were put in other bottles. In fact just touching them could be deadly.




Penny,
When you say "with that much fentanyl in the pills"...you're referring to what was reported,right? As there was no evidence in the warrants that the pills actually contained fentanyl.

That being said, the warrants also did not evidence fentanyl patches found, nor did the warrants state fentanyl lollipops were found. The only other legal way fentanyl is administered is in a hospital through an IV. Keep in mind that in the warrant it did state to collect any drug paraphernalia on the scene. This was the same warrant that requested a swab of the hand and neck area,iirc.

Another thing to keep in mind is that these are "search" warrants which are basically a form of questions...we have not seen any answers to these warrants (i.e.-the answers to the phone data dump requested)...and we probably never will. So, that leads us to basically deductive reasoning or assumptions...take your pick.


Peace
~Precioux
Reply #501 posted 11/15/17 8:34pm

disch

Actually, there's a bunch of articles out quoting experts who say that ODing just by touching fentanyl is impossible; it may be possible to have effects from accidentally inhaling fentanyl powder but even that is apparently quite unlikely.

-

Here's one article: The Viral Story About the... Nonsense

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

With that much fentanyl in the pills, just touching them could be dangerous, right? So they had to be touched several times by somebody, because they were put in other bottles. In fact just touching them could be deadly.

That's a very good point. I still dont believe that what he took was in the same batch as what was found.

Reply #502 posted 11/15/17 9:04pm

PennyPurple

precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

With that much fentanyl in the pills, just touching them could be dangerous, right? So they had to be touched several times by somebody, because they were put in other bottles. In fact just touching them could be deadly.

Penny, When you say "with that much fentanyl in the pills"...you're referring to what was reported,right? As there was no evidence in the warrants that the pills actually contained fentanyl. That being said, the warrants also did not evidence fentanyl patches found, nor did the warrants state fentanyl lollipops were found. The only other legal way fentanyl is administered is in a hospital through an IV. Keep in mind that in the warrant it did state to collect any drug paraphernalia on the scene. This was the same warrant that requested a swab of the hand and neck area,iirc. Another thing to keep in mind is that these are "search" warrants which are basically a form of questions...we have not seen any answers to these warrants (i.e.-the answers to the phone data dump requested)...and we probably never will. So, that leads us to basically deductive reasoning or assumptions...take your pick. Peace ~Precioux

Yes, as to what was reported from the alleged toxicology report that was supposedly leaked.

Reply #503 posted 11/15/17 9:11pm

morningsong

Menes said:

morningsong said:




The warrants didn't specify that in any way form or fashion, they just said that they got a call from the ME who stated it was a fentanyl overdose. Nothing in the warrants pointed to any of the pills.



Do you have the September warrant? It's been a while since I looked at that.



There is 10 & 11 in September.


Since they are referencing so many things I'll only cut & paste those bits dealing with the meds.

#10
http://www.mncourts.gov/m...dex-19.pdf



Your Affiant was made aware by witnesses that were interviewed at the scene, that Prince recently had a history of going through withdrawals, which are believed to be the result of the abuse of prescription medication. Further, Your Affiant received information from interviews conducted, that Prince’s assistants had arranged a meeting between Prince and medical professionals to assess and address Prince’s medical concerns. Your affiant learned that Prince had “passed ou ” during a flight from Atlanta, Ga to Minneapolis on Thursday 04-14-16 into Friday 04-15-16 after a concert in Atlanta. Prince’s private jet made an emergency stop at the Quad International Airport in Moline, 11. According to one of the witnesses interviewed, Prince admitted to taking 1-2 “pain pills”.


During the search warrant of Prince’s home, detectives located numerous narcotic controlled substance pills in various containers and areas of Prince’s bedroom, some of which were in a suitcase with the name tag of “Peter Bravestrong”. Inside that suitcase were several prescription bottles in the name of Kirk Johnson, Prince’s bodyguard. Your affiant believed “Peter Bravestrong” could have been an alias name for Prince that he would use when he would travel.

At a meeting on 05-03-16 at 1100 hours, a decision was made to work ajoint investigation with the United States Drug Enforcement Agency, DEA due to discovering controlled substances at Prince’s residence. In working a joint investigation with the DEA,

On Monday, 05-09-16 I learned that Sgt. Meier had received a phone call from Dr. Quin Strobel from the Midwest Medical Examiner’s Office. In speaking to Dr. Strobel, we learned that the results from Prince’s toxicology screening showed Prince had a lethal dose of the narcotic Fentanyl in his system. Your affiant along with the DEA conducted a Minnesota Prescription Monitoring Program warrant and learned that Prince Rogers Nelson had no prescriptions issued to him and that Kirk Johnson had only one, Oxycodone which was prescribed on 04-14-16 by Dr. Michael Schulenberg, the same doctor who was at the scene of Paisley Park on 04-21-16 when deputies arrived and the same doctor who admitted in a statement to Detective Chris Nelson that he had prescribed Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the emergency plane landing but put the prescription in Kirk Johnson’s name for Prince’s privacy.

The investigation into Prince’s death began focusing on where Prince obtained the fentanyl and controlled narcotic prescription medication that was located in his bedroom the day of his death and who gave it to him. Your affiant learned that Prince did not have a regular doctor and that his most recent contact before Dr. 'Schulenberg was various doctors his managers would set up for him before a show so that Prince could receive a “B12 injection” to “feel better” before performing for a show.



#11
http://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/CIOMediaLibrary/Documents/Index-22.pdf



Basically the exact same wording.



Reply #504 posted 11/15/17 9:15pm

PennyPurple

The article goes on to say that it took 3 doses of Narcan to revive him.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ohio-police-officer-accidentally-overdoses-fentanyl-article-1.3170821

An Ohio police officer has returned to work after an accidental fentanyl overdose sidelined him for days.

East Liverpool police officer Chris Green had just made a drug arrest when he returned to the police station and another officer noticed something on his shirt.

“He brushes it off, thinks nothing of it and then a few minutes later he passes out,” Chief John Lane told the Daily News.

As it turned out, the substance on his shirt was a small dose of fentanyl — a powerful synthetic opioid five times as strong as heroin that can get into the body through contact with the skin.

Reply #505 posted 11/15/17 9:30pm

morningsong

Per Billboard


One pill with the "Watson 385" stamp that was analyzed by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension tested positive for fentanyl, lidocaine and another drug. Officials found nearly two dozen pills similar to the one that was tested, the official said.


Another aspirin bottle had 64 counterfeit tablets in it. Some pills that were analyzed contained fentanyl, lidocaine and U-4770 -- a synthetic drug that is eight times more powerful than morphine.

Authorities also found a prescription bottle in someone else's name that contained 10 oxycodone pills, the official said, without revealing who was listed on the prescription. Well I guess that answers the question of Kirk's prescription.

The official said Prince had many of these pills with him on April 15 when the airplane he was on made an emergency stop in Moline, Illinois, after he fell ill from a suspected drug overdose as he was heading home from a performance in Atlanta. Prince was given two doses of Narcan, an antidote used to reverse suspected opioid overdoses, the official said.

Authorities have analyzed over 40 different items so far, including roughly 20 different bottles or pill containers, the official said.

U-4770 can be tested for in toxicology screens, but is not done routinely because it is a relatively new chemical. Presence of the drug was not tested in Prince's case, but the levels of fentanyl in his system were more than enough to be toxic, the official said.

Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said.




Reply #506 posted 11/15/17 10:38pm

sonshine

morningsong said:

Per Billboard


One pill with the "Watson 385" stamp that was analyzed by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension tested positive for fentanyl, lidocaine and another drug. Officials found nearly two dozen pills similar to the one that was tested, the official said.


Another aspirin bottle had 64 counterfeit tablets in it. Some pills that were analyzed contained fentanyl, lidocaine and U-4770 -- a synthetic drug that is eight times more powerful than morphine.


Authorities also found a prescription bottle in someone else's name that contained 10 oxycodone pills, the official said, without revealing who was listed on the prescription.   Well I guess that answers the question of Kirk's prescription.

The official said Prince had many of these pills with him on April 15 when the airplane he was on made an emergency stop in Moline, Illinois, after he fell ill from a suspected drug overdose as he was heading home from a performance in Atlanta. Prince was given two doses of Narcan, an antidote used to reverse suspected opioid overdoses, the official said.


Authorities have analyzed over 40 different items so far, including roughly 20 different bottles or pill containers, the official said.


U-4770 can be tested for in toxicology screens, but is not done routinely because it is a relatively new chemical. Presence of the drug was not tested in Prince's case, but the levels of fentanyl in his system were more than enough to be toxic, the official said.


Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, [/i]which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said.






I've never heard or read where this information came from (bolded above). Not that it really matters much, but what tests? Where and when and why were these supposed tests done??
It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN
Reply #507 posted 11/15/17 10:53pm

sonshine

purplefam99 said:

PennyPurple said:

 



purplefam99 said:


PennyPurple said:

 


Yes, you are right. Even if its a lower dose because they are weaning you off, you are not in withdrawel. 



Ok so when Kirk says he had been suffering from withdrawal that was not true??? Because he was not in withdrawal. Lowering dose is not withdrawal? Sorry I’m confused.

I don't believe anything Kirk says. 




To me withdrawel is going cold turkey...from something to nothing.



Weaning off is going down to a lower dose.



Ok that is what I thought too, withdrawing is stopping. To me.

Depending upon the weaning regimen the individual could still be experiencing symptoms of withdrawl. Prince was not on a medically supervised regimen of weaning so he very well could have been experiencing withdrawl symptoms. It's not unlikely for self-medicating individuals to constantly be in varying stages of withdrawl (or high) depending upon their ability to score their drug(s) of choice. Without reliable sources an addicts life is literally a rollercoaster. And there is really no such thing in an addict's world as a true reliable source.
It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN
Reply #508 posted 11/15/17 10:56pm

morningsong

sonshine said:

morningsong said:

Per Billboard


One pill with the "Watson 385" stamp that was analyzed by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension tested positive for fentanyl, lidocaine and another drug. Officials found nearly two dozen pills similar to the one that was tested, the official said.


Another aspirin bottle had 64 counterfeit tablets in it. Some pills that were analyzed contained fentanyl, lidocaine and U-4770 -- a synthetic drug that is eight times more powerful than morphine.

Authorities also found a prescription bottle in someone else's name that contained 10 oxycodone pills, the official said, without revealing who was listed on the prescription. Well I guess that answers the question of Kirk's prescription.

The official said Prince had many of these pills with him on April 15 when the airplane he was on made an emergency stop in Moline, Illinois, after he fell ill from a suspected drug overdose as he was heading home from a performance in Atlanta. Prince was given two doses of Narcan, an antidote used to reverse suspected opioid overdoses, the official said.

Authorities have analyzed over 40 different items so far, including roughly 20 different bottles or pill containers, the official said.

U-4770 can be tested for in toxicology screens, but is not done routinely because it is a relatively new chemical. Presence of the drug was not tested in Prince's case, but the levels of fentanyl in his system were more than enough to be toxic, the official said.

Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said.




I've never heard or read where this information came from (bolded above). Not that it really matters much, but what tests? Where and when and why were these supposed tests done??



Not sure 100% but in the warrants Dr. S was at PP the morning of the 21st, bringing the results of test he took on the 20th.

Reply #509 posted 11/15/17 11:07pm

morningsong

The new 853s and the long gone 358s look alike. Seems like reading the article, the warrant and the fact pills were found mixed together, if in some unknown way there were both present in the bottles.
shrug

Reply #510 posted 11/16/17 4:27am

laurarichardson

sonshine said:

purplefam99 said:
Ok that is what I thought too, withdrawing is stopping. To me.
Depending upon the weaning regimen the individual could still be experiencing symptoms of withdrawl. Prince was not on a medically supervised regimen of weaning so he very well could have been experiencing withdrawl symptoms. It's not unlikely for self-medicating individuals to constantly be in varying stages of withdrawl (or high) depending upon their ability to score their drug(s) of choice. Without reliable sources an addicts life is literally a rollercoaster. And there is really no such thing in an addict's world as a true reliable source.

That he was going thru withdrawals was mentioned in the search warrant by his associates not by Prince. Also if he was going thru withdrawals would that not explain what the chefs said about his stomach being upset and requesting smoothies and soups and not appearing to be high just being a little less chatty.

Does anyone not think it is weird that a person who suppose to abusing drugs never appears to be high to anyone. Not one single person seemed to notice not even a change in his demeanor. Just eating less and complaining of stomach and flu like issues all of which are a part of withdrawing.

Reply #511 posted 11/16/17 8:01am

purplefam99

sonshine said:

purplefam99 said:
Ok that is what I thought too, withdrawing is stopping. To me.
Depending upon the weaning regimen the individual could still be experiencing symptoms of withdrawl. Prince was not on a medically supervised regimen of weaning so he very well could have been experiencing withdrawl symptoms. It's not unlikely for self-medicating individuals to constantly be in varying stages of withdrawl (or high) depending upon their ability to score their drug(s) of choice. Without reliable sources an addicts life is literally a rollercoaster. And there is really no such thing in an addict's world as a true reliable source.

ok thx sonshine.

Reply #512 posted 11/16/17 8:05am

purplefam99

laurarichardson said:

sonshine said:

purplefam99 said: Depending upon the weaning regimen the individual could still be experiencing symptoms of withdrawl. Prince was not on a medically supervised regimen of weaning so he very well could have been experiencing withdrawl symptoms. It's not unlikely for self-medicating individuals to constantly be in varying stages of withdrawl (or high) depending upon their ability to score their drug(s) of choice. Without reliable sources an addicts life is literally a rollercoaster. And there is really no such thing in an addict's world as a true reliable source.

That he was going thru withdrawals was mentioned in the search warrant by his associates not by Prince. Also if he was going thru withdrawals would that not explain what the chefs said about his stomach being upset and requesting smoothies and soups and not appearing to be high just being a little less chatty.

Does anyone not think it is weird that a person who suppose to abusing drugs never appears to be high to anyone. Not one single person seemed to notice not even a change in his demeanor. Just eating less and complaining of stomach and flu like issues all of which are a part of withdrawing.

so you think the withdrawing line is bogus? i kinda think kJ just said that. i can't imagine someone

wanting to try to perform under those conditions. but if he was and trying to wean on illicits, that

must have been crazy.

Reply #513 posted 11/16/17 8:22am

Bodhitheblackdog

The desire to be “Prince” was never far from PRN’s consciousness from a very early age; a yearning to be something larger/different than himself.

Throughout the tribulations of his career and personal life, he chose not to drill down and reconnect with PRN because being “Prince” was so glam, so much fun, so financially rewarding. He was such a big star.

But being a performing artist on the level of “Prince” usually entails piecing out your soul to become other characters for your audience; being such an artist does not facilitate having a real life with authentic long-term, intimate relationships that nurture and heal....especially for someone who was always 'on stage'.

So to those who insist “Prince” never looked high I ask: Do you know what he looked like before he was “Prince?”

Reply #514 posted 11/16/17 8:41am

laurarichardson

Bodhitheblackdog said:

The desire to be “Prince” was never far from PRN’s consciousness from a very early age; a yearning to be something larger/different than himself.

Throughout the tribulations of his career and personal life, he chose not to drill down and reconnect with PRN because being “Prince” was so glam, so much fun, so financially rewarding. He was such a big star.

But being a performing artist on the level of “Prince” usually entails piecing out your soul to become other characters for your audience; being such an artist does not facilitate having a real life with authentic long-term, intimate relationships that nurture and heal....especially for someone who was always 'on stage'.

So to those who insist “Prince” never looked high I ask: Do you know what he looked like before he was “Prince?”

You have a wonderful imagination.

Actually lately there are a lot of pics of him as a child and teen floating around so we do know what he looked like before he was famous as he was always Prince.

"

usually entails piecing out your soul to become other characters for your audience; being such an artist does not facilitate having a real life with authentic long-term, intimate relationships that nurture and heal....especially for someone who was always 'on stage'."

This is funny as hell. Analyzing someone you do not know from Adam via the internet. LOL

Reply #515 posted 11/16/17 8:48am

laurarichardson

purplefam99 said:

laurarichardson said:

That he was going thru withdrawals was mentioned in the search warrant by his associates not by Prince. Also if he was going thru withdrawals would that not explain what the chefs said about his stomach being upset and requesting smoothies and soups and not appearing to be high just being a little less chatty.

Does anyone not think it is weird that a person who suppose to abusing drugs never appears to be high to anyone. Not one single person seemed to notice not even a change in his demeanor. Just eating less and complaining of stomach and flu like issues all of which are a part of withdrawing.

so you think the withdrawing line is bogus? i kinda think kJ just said that. i can't imagine someone

wanting to try to perform under those conditions. but if he was and trying to wean on illicits, that

must have been crazy.

I do not think it was bogus. Remember a Subxone pill was found by the police and the meds he was prescribed by Dr. S can be used for withdrawal. I still say he had consulted with Dr. S or some other doctor under some assumed name before trying to withdraw.

I do not think KJ was lying and I still think he may have been in a hurry to withdraw due to organ damage or some other health issue.

He cannot be a raging pill head to some of you and not have had it have any effect on his health at all. It is not possible. I also think he had beat it enough to travel but something changed the week of 7th when he canceled the Atlanta show.

I cannot see Prince telling at least two people he was not a 100% and he had to check back with his doctor and putting concerts on hold if he was just suffering from withdrawals or addiction and had managed to travel as far as he did in the last months of his life.

It does not make any sense at all.

Reply #516 posted 11/16/17 9:38am

sonshine

laurarichardson said:

 



purplefam99 said:


 



laurarichardson said:


 


That he was going thru withdrawals was mentioned in the search warrant by his associates not by Prince. Also if he was going thru withdrawals would that not explain what the chefs said about his stomach being upset and requesting smoothies and soups and not appearing to be high just being a little less chatty. 


 


Does anyone not think it is weird that a person who suppose to abusing drugs never appears to be high to anyone. Not one single person seemed to notice not even a change in his demeanor. Just eating less and complaining of stomach and flu like issues all of which are a part of withdrawing. 



so you think the withdrawing line is bogus?  i kinda think kJ just said that.  i can't imagine someone


wanting to try to perform under those conditions.  but if he was and trying to wean on illicits, that 


must have been crazy.



I do not think it was bogus. Remember a Subxone pill was found by the police and the meds he was prescribed by Dr. S can be used for withdrawal. I still say he had consulted with Dr. S or some other doctor under some assumed name before trying to withdraw.


 


I do not think KJ was lying and I still think he may have been in a hurry to withdraw due to organ damage or some other health issue. 


 


He cannot be a raging pill head to some of you and not have had it have any effect on his health at all. It is not possible. I also think he had beat it enough to travel but something changed the week of 7th when he canceled the Atlanta show. 


 


I cannot see Prince telling at least two people he was not a 100% and he had to check back with his doctor and putting concerts on hold if he was just suffering from withdrawals or addiction and had managed to travel as far as he did in the last months of his life. 


 


It does not make any sense at all. 


 


I don't believe he was a raging pill head. People using opiates can be quite functional over a long period of time. It seems for whatever reasons Prince's opiate use took a dangerous turn and coping with those issues without the strict supervision of medical professionals is not wise. We will probably never learn all the how's and why's. But i understand and accept that it did happen. When you play with fire you get burned. He shouldn't have bern trying to work when these things obviously reached a crisis level. He should have taken care of himself first and foremost. The incident in Moline was his chance to do that. He should have immediately sought further help and stopped everything else he was doing at that point.
It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN
Reply #517 posted 11/16/17 10:09am

stlmuziqlvr

St. Louis was reported to be the next stop. In fact, according to someone in management at the Fox, the posters/window cards had been printed and the pre-show dining staff were desperately trying to work the shows...especially the young women LOL. I hope he realized just how big or a stir he could still create among the ladies.

Agree with Laura, something changed.

laurarichardson said:

purplefam99 said:

so you think the withdrawing line is bogus? i kinda think kJ just said that. i can't imagine someone

wanting to try to perform under those conditions. but if he was and trying to wean on illicits, that

must have been crazy.

I do not think it was bogus. Remember a Subxone pill was found by the police and the meds he was prescribed by Dr. S can be used for withdrawal. I still say he had consulted with Dr. S or some other doctor under some assumed name before trying to withdraw.

I do not think KJ was lying and I still think he may have been in a hurry to withdraw due to organ damage or some other health issue.

He cannot be a raging pill head to some of you and not have had it have any effect on his health at all. It is not possible. I also think he had beat it enough to travel but something changed the week of 7th when he canceled the Atlanta show.

I cannot see Prince telling at least two people he was not a 100% and he had to check back with his doctor and putting concerts on hold if he was just suffering from withdrawals or addiction and had managed to travel as far as he did in the last months of his life.

It does not make any sense at all.

Reply #518 posted 11/16/17 11:50am

PennyPurple

laurarichardson said:

You have a wonderful imagination.

Actually lately there are a lot of pics of him as a child and teen floating around so we do know what he looked like before he was famous as he was always Prince.

"

usually entails piecing out your soul to become other characters for your audience; being such an artist does not facilitate having a real life with authentic long-term, intimate relationships that nurture and heal....especially for someone who was always 'on stage'."

This is funny as hell. Analyzing someone you do not know from Adam via the internet. LOL

It is pretty funny, considering you do it at least 10 x a day on this very forum. You don't know Prince from Adam either. lol

Reply #519 posted 11/16/17 12:00pm

purplefam99

laurarichardson said:

 



purplefam99 said:


 



laurarichardson said:


 


That he was going thru withdrawals was mentioned in the search warrant by his associates not by Prince. Also if he was going thru withdrawals would that not explain what the chefs said about his stomach being upset and requesting smoothies and soups and not appearing to be high just being a little less chatty. 


 


Does anyone not think it is weird that a person who suppose to abusing drugs never appears to be high to anyone. Not one single person seemed to notice not even a change in his demeanor. Just eating less and complaining of stomach and flu like issues all of which are a part of withdrawing. 



so you think the withdrawing line is bogus?  i kinda think kJ just said that.  i can't imagine someone


wanting to try to perform under those conditions.  but if he was and trying to wean on illicits, that 


must have been crazy.



I do not think it was bogus. Remember a Subxone pill was found by the police and the meds he was prescribed by Dr. S can be used for withdrawal. I still say he had consulted with Dr. S or some other doctor under some assumed name before trying to withdraw.


 


I do not think KJ was lying and I still think he may have been in a hurry to withdraw due to organ damage or some other health issue. 


 


He cannot be a raging pill head to some of you and not have had it have any effect on his health at all. It is not possible. I also think he had beat it enough to travel but something changed the week of 7th when he canceled the Atlanta show. 


 


I cannot see Prince telling at least two people he was not a 100% and he had to check back with his doctor and putting concerts on hold if he was just suffering from withdrawals or addiction and had managed to travel as far as he did in the last months of his life. 


 


It does not make any sense at all. 


 



Ok, thx, I’m still mulling it all.
Reply #520 posted 11/16/17 1:08pm

laurarichardson

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

You have a wonderful imagination.

Actually lately there are a lot of pics of him as a child and teen floating around so we do know what he looked like before he was famous as he was always Prince.

"

usually entails piecing out your soul to become other characters for your audience; being such an artist does not facilitate having a real life with authentic long-term, intimate relationships that nurture and heal....especially for someone who was always 'on stage'."

This is funny as hell. Analyzing someone you do not know from Adam via the internet. LOL

It is pretty funny, considering you do it at least 10 x a day on this very forum. You don't know Prince from Adam either. lol

I don't know him and I do not go around pretending to know what his thougts were either. I just take what we know as factual and use common sense and deduction. I never say I know for sure what was in his mine. I do not pshyco analyze people I do not know via the internet.

He left us a shit load of interviews and music so it is not like he did not express himself. I just do not ignore things that are obvious like some people do on this board.

The whole Tidal thing is a glaring example. How can someone have contracts be they oral or written with money exchanging hands, written interviews, , press releashes, tweets, and Princegram post telling everyone he wanted to do business with Tidal yet many on this board believe that someone from Tidal came in the night and stole files. eek

It is unethical for estate managers to go aganist what he wanted and was actually paid for and to me that is common sense.

--

We also have no idea what goes on in someone else's marriage and I would bet half the people commenting have never been married to even know what they are even speaking on.

We have one side of those marriages. Common sense should tell anyone we will never know the whole story of his marriages because we will never know his side. What we do know is he kept his private life private and if he wanted to make life difficult for those two he could have and he did not so much has mention there names.

They both should have the common courtesy to do the same.

Reply #521 posted 11/16/17 2:07pm

WeDaBest

laurarichardson said:

purplefam99 said:

so you think the withdrawing line is bogus? i kinda think kJ just said that. i can't imagine someone

wanting to try to perform under those conditions. but if he was and trying to wean on illicits, that

must have been crazy.

I do not think it was bogus. Remember a Subxone pill was found by the police and the meds he was prescribed by Dr. S can be used for withdrawal. I still say he had consulted with Dr. S or some other doctor under some assumed name before trying to withdraw.

I do not think KJ was lying and I still think he may have been in a hurry to withdraw due to organ damage or some other health issue.

He cannot be a raging pill head to some of you and not have had it have any effect on his health at all. It is not possible. I also think he had beat it enough to travel but something changed the week of 7th when he canceled the Atlanta show.

I cannot see Prince telling at least two people he was not a 100% and he had to check back with his doctor and putting concerts on hold if he was just suffering from withdrawals or addiction and had managed to travel as far as he did in the last months of his life.

It does not make any sense at all.

I too thinks something changed the week of the 7th. Actually it could have been the week prior as well because from what I could see his last shows were in Canada towards the end of March 2016. It looks like he had some time off from March 27, 2016 - April 7th. We also know he visited with Dr. S on April 6 2016.

Reply #522 posted 11/16/17 3:14pm

PennyPurple

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

It is pretty funny, considering you do it at least 10 x a day on this very forum. You don't know Prince from Adam either. lol

I don't know him and I do not go around pretending to know what his thougts were either. I just take what we know as factual and use common sense and deduction. I never say I know for sure what was in his mine. I do not pshyco analyze people I do not know via the internet.

He left us a shit load of interviews and music so it is not like he did not express himself. I just do not ignore things that are obvious like some people do on this board.

The whole Tidal thing is a glaring example. How can someone have contracts be they oral or written with money exchanging hands, written interviews, , press releashes, tweets, and Princegram post tell