laurarichardson said:

Misslink88 said:

No one is discounting the fact some people DO get addicted. I've not heard anything about anyone being told to remove their stuff from PP. The only account I've read along those lines is Sheila E saying she was having trouble getting her drum kit out. Do you have a link for these others?

Saw a screen shot were this was discussed as Andrien and Marcus the horn players have told people Prince told them to come and get their stuff out of PP about a week before he died as they might have trouble getting it later.

No one can get their stuff out while the probate is going on and remember Prince was the executor of his Dad's estate who also did not have a will. He would have known exactly what would happen if he died without one.

Prince was very calculating and controlling. Things about his death are too neat and fit togeher to tie a nice narrative that someone wanted us all to have.

Just jumping in to confirm what laura is saying here because I and others also saw the same in a closed group on FB. People were told to get their belongings out of PP shortly before he passed.

Mumio said:

laurarichardson said:

Saw a screen shot were this was discussed as Andrien and Marcus the horn players have told people Prince told them to come and get their stuff out of PP about a week before he died as they might have trouble getting it later.

No one can get their stuff out while the probate is going on and remember Prince was the executor of his Dad's estate who also did not have a will. He would have known exactly what would happen if he died without one.

Prince was very calculating and controlling. Things about his death are too neat and fit togeher to tie a nice narrative that someone wanted us all to have.

Just jumping in to confirm what laura is saying here because I and others also saw the same in a closed group on FB. People were told to get their belongings out of PP shortly before he passed.

Thanks, Mumio and Laura. This then begs the question - was this before or after Moline? Also, were they simply aksed to remove their belongings or was the "trouble getting it later" added? I ask because the addition would imply, perhaps, that he knew he didn't have long but not necessarily that he would go the way he did.

Mumio said:

Thanks Mumio and Laura for this info. I hadn't heard/read about it before. Very interesting tidbit and could be quite significant indeed.

Misslink88 said:

Mumio said:

Just jumping in to confirm what laura is saying here because I and others also saw the same in a closed group on FB. People were told to get their belongings out of PP shortly before he passed.

Thanks, Mumio and Laura. This then begs the question - was this before or after Moline? Also, were they simply aksed to remove their belongings or was the "trouble getting it later" added? I ask because the addition would imply, perhaps, that he knew he didn't have long but not necessarily that he would go the way he did.

Before Moline.

Misslink88 said:

Mumio said:

Just jumping in to confirm what laura is saying here because I and others also saw the same in a closed group on FB. People were told to get their belongings out of PP shortly before he passed.

Thanks, Mumio and Laura. This then begs the question - was this before or after Moline? Also, were they simply aksed to remove their belongings or was the "trouble getting it later" added? I ask because the addition would imply, perhaps, that he knew he didn't have long but not necessarily that he would go the way he did.

Direct quote: "Prince told everybody to remove their belongings 7 days before he passed away".

Mumio said:

Misslink88 said:

Thanks, Mumio and Laura. This then begs the question - was this before or after Moline? Also, were they simply aksed to remove their belongings or was the "trouble getting it later" added? I ask because the addition would imply, perhaps, that he knew he didn't have long but not necessarily that he would go the way he did.

Direct quote: "Prince told everybody to remove their belongings 7 days before he passed away".

Him and the number 7. Very interesting, indeed.

My theory was right from the beginning and still is: competitive Prince used drugs in order to enhance his performance (and his creativity?), to make him functioning like a super hero, no matter what. Since when, I don't know, but my respect for him isn't what it used to be, that's for sure.

funkomatic said:

My theory was right from the beginning and still is: competitive Prince used drugs in order to enhance his performance (and his creativity?), to make him functioning like a super hero, no matter what. Since when, I don't know, but my respect for him isn't what it used to be, that's for sure.

So, did you try the formula?
Who doesn't want to be a superhero? How's it coming for you?

You're projecting stuff, and somehow they persuaded you that a creativity like Prince's can't exist without dope.
Well, me, but that's just me, I say prove it. Because I have tons of geniuses that like you, like to have a drink and the occasional spliff,

and that never got in the path of creativity. You're confused.
If you're a genius and get high, you're still a genius. But most of the time your epiphany of the evening,

your 2 AM "I see a masterpiece" bit, will usually be incomprehensible scribbles on a napkin the morning after.

Either you don't know zilch about Prince's career,

or you don't know zilch about dope,
in which case you just sit and read,
if you don't have nothing interesting to say.

It says "facts" in the topic title, not "your advice".
We could not care less if this is all that you have.

The ignorant example about dope above... Look at John, Jagger, Richards. Iggy Pop.
Do they look OK to you? Isn't Richards an ol' Galapagos turtle? And Steven Tyler ? Billy Idol ?
Show me a pic of them at 57, please.

I can go on and on. But you're probably right, Prince had the sole magic formula
that helped him pack ten careers into one while sleeping four hours and functioning on soy salad and Yak milk.
And it gives you a perfect skin too, and your hands will get the ability to go their own way and still play live show, record songs, sign bills, somehow.
Hey, pass the shit, will ya?

[Edited 12/22/17 4:01am]

bonatoc said:

funkomatic said:

My theory was right from the beginning and still is: competitive Prince used drugs in order to enhance his performance (and his creativity?), to make him functioning like a super hero, no matter what. Since when, I don't know, but my respect for him isn't what it used to be, that's for sure.

So, did you try the formula?
Who doesn't want to be a superhero? How's it coming for you?

You're projecting stuff, and somehow they persuaded you that a creativity like Prince's can't exist without dope.
Well, me, but that's just me, I say prove it. Because I have tons of geniuses that like you, like to have a drink and the occasional spliff,

and that never got in the path of creativity. You're confused.
If you're a genius and get high, you're still a genius. But most of the time your epiphany of the evening,

your 2 AM "I see a masterpiece" bit, will usually be incomprehensible scribbles on a napkin the morning after.

Either you don't know zilch about Prince's career,

or you don't know zilch about dope,
in which case you just sit and read,
if you don't have nothing interesting to say.

It says "facts" in the topic title, not "your advice".
We could not care less if this is all that you have.

The ignorant example about dope above... Look at John, Jagger, Richards. Iggy Pop.
Do they look OK to you? Isn't Richards an ol' Galapagos turtle? And Steven Tyler ? Billy Idol ?
Show me a pic of them at 57, please.

I can go on and on. But you're probably right, Prince had the sole magic formula
that helped him pack ten careers into one while sleeping four hours and functioning on soy salad and Yak milk.
And it gives you a perfect skin too, and your hands will get the ability to go their own way and still play live show, record songs, sign bills, somehow.
Hey, pass the shit, will ya?

[Edited 12/22/17 4:01am]

funkomatic said:

My theory was right from the beginning and still is: competitive Prince used drugs in order to enhance his performance (and his creativity?), to make him functioning like a super hero, no matter what. Since when, I don't know, but my respect for him isn't what it used to be, that's for sure.

Tell you what why don't you knock back some drugs and tell us if makes you a creative person or gives you a work ethic.

Pleny of dopehead living on the streets looking like death warmed over who do not have creative born in their body and absolutly no work ethic whatsoever.

Now go use your drugs and stop wasting our time. To many dopeheads on this board.

Quick reminder - it's not only drugs that bring about early demise. You CAN get high naturally off own endorphins and die quicker that way. For instance, on First Person Shooters there are people playing 12+ hours a day, on same game for days, months on end. It's possible to wear out the pleasure receptors - anecdotal speak - through natural means i.e. addictions that aren't drug related, like videogaming. It maybe possible this happened with Prince. Think about it like this. How high do you get listening to brilliant music? Then imagine how high the creator of that music must get?

fortuneandserendipity said:

Quick reminder - it's not only drugs that bring about early demise. You CAN get high naturally off own endorphins and die quicker that way. For instance, on First Person Shooters there are people playing 12+ hours a day, on same game for days, months on end. It's possible to wear out the pleasure receptors - anecdotal speak - through natural means i.e. addictions that aren't drug related, like videogaming. It maybe possible this happened with Prince. Think about it like this. How high do you get listening to brilliant music? Then imagine how high the creator of that music must get?

Very good point. There was already a natural high.
Stuff like this comes to mind.
I mean the whole Slave era, the whole nineties are to my eyes totally high, the interactive CD, the first website, all this incredible shit,
even though he makes a strong statement about drugs in the NPG Power Trio video ("The Undertaker" sessions).
And he closes the decade doing splits as a smurf and giving "The Christ", rolling toms, purpleaxxing all Larry high.

The whole thing, the über-pale looks, thin and all, scary Prince. The vampire to which Andre 3000 refers to methinks.
But then this incredible music. You don't come up with an album as pristine like "Exodus",
while brushing your teeth and thinking about the next tour if you're high.
Instead, "Exodus" is one of very best side projects.

Art goes down the drain if what (to each) one considers "too high" kicks in.
Napkin masterpieces is all you'll get.
It takes focus to perform the "Mashed Potatoes Girl" segue.
Or to mix 48 tracks of stuff "you ain't gonna hear nowhere else".
Sorry if I digress a bit, but we're talkin' about being high, right?

bonatoc said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Quick reminder - it's not only drugs that bring about early demise. You CAN get high naturally off own endorphins and die quicker that way. For instance, on First Person Shooters there are people playing 12+ hours a day, on same game for days, months on end. It's possible to wear out the pleasure receptors - anecdotal speak - through natural means i.e. addictions that aren't drug related, like videogaming. It maybe possible this happened with Prince. Think about it like this. How high do you get listening to brilliant music? Then imagine how high the creator of that music must get?

Very good point. There was already a natural high.
Stuff like this comes to mind.
I mean the whole Slave era, the whole nineties are to my eyes totally high, the interactive CD, the first website, all this incredible shit,
even though he makes a strong statement about drugs in the NPG Power Trio video ("The Undertaker" sessions).
And he closes the decade doing splits as a smurf and giving "The Christ", rolling toms, purpleaxxing all Larry high.

The whole thing, the über-pale looks, thin and all, scary Prince. The vampire to which Andre 3000 refers to methinks.
But then this incredible music. You don't come up with an album as pristine like "Exodus",
while brushing your teeth and thinking about the next tour if you're high.
Instead, "Exodus" is one of very best side projects.

Art goes down the drain if what (to each) one considers "too high" kicks in.
Napkin masterpieces is all you'll get.
It takes focus to perform the "Mashed Potatoes Girl" segue.
Or to mix 48 tracks of stuff "you ain't gonna hear nowhere else".
Sorry if I digress a bit, but we're talkin' about being high, right?

I've been described as 'comic genius' and 'very good-looking' by various people in life. So you know what bonatoc, I'll take your above statement at face value. Have a good day!

fortuneandserendipity said:

Quick reminder - it's not only drugs that bring about early demise. You CAN get high naturally off own endorphins and die quicker that way. For instance, on First Person Shooters there are people playing 12+ hours a day, on same game for days, months on end. It's possible to wear out the pleasure receptors - anecdotal speak - through natural means i.e. addictions that aren't drug related, like videogaming. It maybe possible this happened with Prince. Think about it like this. How high do you get listening to brilliant music? Then imagine how high the creator of that music must get?

Unbelivable. I guess we are really living in the time of lazyness. Working hard and accompolishments have to have some sinister or sad component.

laurarichardson said:

End of days

bonatoc said:

funkomatic said:

My theory was right from the beginning and still is: competitive Prince used drugs in order to enhance his performance (and his creativity?), to make him functioning like a super hero, no matter what. Since when, I don't know, but my respect for him isn't what it used to be, that's for sure.

So, did you try the formula?
Who doesn't want to be a superhero? How's it coming for you?

You're projecting stuff, and somehow they persuaded you that a creativity like Prince's can't exist without dope.
Well, me, but that's just me, I say prove it. Because I have tons of geniuses that like you, like to have a drink and the occasional spliff,

and that never got in the path of creativity. You're confused.
If you're a genius and get high, you're still a genius. But most of the time your epiphany of the evening,

your 2 AM "I see a masterpiece" bit, will usually be incomprehensible scribbles on a napkin the morning after.

Either you don't know zilch about Prince's career,

or you don't know zilch about dope,
in which case you just sit and read,
if you don't have nothing interesting to say.

It says "facts" in the topic title, not "your advice".
We could not care less if this is all that you have.

The ignorant example about dope above... Look at John, Jagger, Richards. Iggy Pop.
Do they look OK to you? Isn't Richards an ol' Galapagos turtle? And Steven Tyler ? Billy Idol ?
Show me a pic of them at 57, please.

I can go on and on. But you're probably right, Prince had the sole magic formula
that helped him pack ten careers into one while sleeping four hours and functioning on soy salad and Yak milk.
And it gives you a perfect skin too, and your hands will get the ability to go their own way and still play live show, record songs, sign bills, somehow.
Hey, pass the shit, will ya?

[Edited 12/22/17 4:01am]

laurarichardson said:

Misslink88 said:

No one is discounting the fact some people DO get addicted. I've not heard anything about anyone being told to remove their stuff from PP. The only account I've read along those lines is Sheila E saying she was having trouble getting her drum kit out. Do you have a link for these others?

Saw a screen shot were this was discussed as Andrien and Marcus the horn players have told people Prince told them to come and get their stuff out of PP about a week before he died as they might have trouble getting it later.

No one can get their stuff out while the probate is going on and remember Prince was the executor of his Dad's estate who also did not have a will. He would have known exactly what would happen if he died without one.

Prince was very calculating and controlling. Things about his death are too neat and fit togeher to tie a nice narrative that someone wanted us all to have.

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Things about his death are "too neat"? I have to disagree with you. Everything from the emergency in Moline, leading up to April 21st and thereafter has been one huge clusterfuck!! (pardon my french).

bonatoc said:

funkomatic said:

My theory was right from the beginning and still is: competitive Prince used drugs in order to enhance his performance (and his creativity?), to make him functioning like a super hero, no matter what. Since when, I don't know, but my respect for him isn't what it used to be, that's for sure.

So, did you try the formula?
Who doesn't want to be a superhero? How's it coming for you?

You're projecting stuff, and somehow they persuaded you that a creativity like Prince's can't exist without dope.
Well, me, but that's just me, I say prove it. Because I have tons of geniuses that like you, like to have a drink and the occasional spliff,

and that never got in the path of creativity. You're confused.
If you're a genius and get high, you're still a genius. But most of the time your epiphany of the evening,

your 2 AM "I see a masterpiece" bit, will usually be incomprehensible scribbles on a napkin the morning after.

Either you don't know zilch about Prince's career,

or you don't know zilch about dope,
in which case you just sit and read,
if you don't have nothing interesting to say.

It says "facts" in the topic title, not "your advice".
We could not care less if this is all that you have.

The ignorant example about dope above... Look at John, Jagger, Richards. Iggy Pop.
Do they look OK to you? Isn't Richards an ol' Galapagos turtle? And Steven Tyler ? Billy Idol ?
Show me a pic of them at 57, please.

I can go on and on. But you're probably right, Prince had the sole magic formula
that helped him pack ten careers into one while sleeping four hours and functioning on soy salad and Yak milk.
And it gives you a perfect skin too, and your hands will get the ability to go their own way and still play live show, record songs, sign bills, somehow.
Hey, pass the shit, will ya?

[Edited 12/22/17 4:01am]

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OH!! FFS!!

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Comparing Prince to Keith Richards??!!

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Have you heard Richards play the guitar? He plays like an amateur!

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Keith Richards can't even hold a candle to Prince!!

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Quick reminder - it's not only drugs that bring about early demise. You CAN get high naturally off own endorphins and die quicker that way. For instance, on First Person Shooters there are people playing 12+ hours a day, on same game for days, months on end. It's possible to wear out the pleasure receptors - anecdotal speak - through natural means i.e. addictions that aren't drug related, like videogaming. It maybe possible this happened with Prince. Think about it like this. How high do you get listening to brilliant music? Then imagine how high the creator of that music must get?

Unbelivable. I guess we are really living in the time of lazyness. Working hard and accompolishments have to have some sinister or sad component.

And yet workoholics often end up dead. And manic exercisers. Because any overdriven addiction, even one can be costly.

What about the people who believe 'eat less to live longer', the health obsessives? who end up eating so little, they develop anorexia like condition and die.

P said himself he was addicted to music, that if he didn't do it he would die.

fortuneandserendipity said:

Good points.

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

Unbelivable. I guess we are really living in the time of lazyness. Working hard and accompolishments have to have some sinister or sad component.

And yet workoholics often end up dead. And manic exercisers. Because any overdriven addiction, even one can be costly.

What about the people who believe 'eat less to live longer', the health obsessives? who end up eating so little, they develop anorexia like condition and die.

P said himself he was addicted to music, that if he didn't do it he would die.

While I appreciate the point you're trying to make, there are other considerations as well. The first is that everyone, no matter what they do, will die. That's the ONLY thing that can be said of every living being. The quality of one's life is far more important than the quantity in years and while we all pretend such-and-such is bad/good for you, we've really no idea what is best for each individual. At best, these are someone else's observations and experiences, and based on those, they come up with a list of do this/don't do that. In getting back to the search warrants, there seems to be some kind of assumption that "medicating" can only be done by "qualified" experts and everyone else is incapable of reading, researching or otherwise acquiring this knowledge. We don't know how much he was taking or how often. What was found could have been a 3 or 6 month supply or 30 day supply. Bear in mind that, had he seen a dr., chances are good and well he would have been prescribed the exact same meds. The only difference would have been what was actually IN the prescribed meds vs street meds.

funkomatic said:

—The only drugs that enhance performance are Steroids. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Misslink88 said:

—-Very good points.

fortuneandserendipity said:

—So what if he worked himself to death. He did what he wanted and he was not hurting anyone.

Prince telling people to get their stuff from Paisley might support the fact that Prince was looking into rehab options.

Prince had a hip issue, was perscribed pain killers, got addicted and died from that addiction from a fentanyl overdose. It really is simple and all too common. We all have to die. This was the way he went. It is no less honorable than any other way to go.

Misslink88 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

And yet workoholics often end up dead. And manic exercisers. Because any overdriven addiction, even one can be costly.

What about the people who believe 'eat less to live longer', the health obsessives? who end up eating so little, they develop anorexia like condition and die.

P said himself he was addicted to music, that if he didn't do it he would die.

While I appreciate the point you're trying to make, there are other considerations as well. The first is that everyone, no matter what they do, will die. That's the ONLY thing that can be said of every living being. The quality of one's life is far more important than the quantity in years and while we all pretend such-and-such is bad/good for you, we've really no idea what is best for each individual. At best, these are someone else's observations and experiences, and based on those, they come up with a list of do this/don't do that. In getting back to the search warrants, there seems to be some kind of assumption that "medicating" can only be done by "qualified" experts and everyone else is incapable of reading, researching or otherwise acquiring this knowledge. We don't know how much he was taking or how often. What was found could have been a 3 or 6 month supply or 30 day supply. Bear in mind that, had he seen a dr., chances are good and well he would have been prescribed the exact same meds. The only difference would have been what was actually IN the prescribed meds vs street meds.

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I get your point, but Fentanyl is usually only given to cancer patients who are in extreme pain, therefore, I don't think any doctor would have prescribed something so strong to Prince. The sad fact is that he was taking a very strong substance withou a doctor's supervision. The Percocets were prescribed in Kirk's name. I wonder, has Dr. S. admitted to prescribing them to Prince in Kirk's name?

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

And yet workoholics often end up dead. And manic exercisers. Because any overdriven addiction, even one can be costly.

What about the people who believe 'eat less to live longer', the health obsessives? who end up eating so little, they develop anorexia like condition and die.

P said himself he was addicted to music, that if he didn't do it he would die.

—So what if he worked himself to death. He did what he wanted and he was not hurting anyone.

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Personally, I think too much of any one thing is not good for you. Moderation is the key.