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Reply #750 posted 11/29/17 7:49pm

Menes

Susu1976 said:

Misslink88 said:

This. How does one "accidentaly overdose" with a pill that is laced with so much fentanyl? Self-administered, yes. Accidental overdose, no because a person would have to have had prior knowledge that the pill contained a lethal dose. I can't buy "suicide" because of that fact. I can see "accidental poisoning" though.

WTF?!? Are you sure you should be posting here instead of being on a straight jacket at Bellevue or at McLean (if you're are in the States)? Newsflash! You accidentally overdose when you either don't know what you are putting into your body or how much. "Person would have to have had prior knowledge that the pill contained a lethal dose. I can't buy "suicide" because of that fact.".... Ummm-hmm..already then. I am not sure whether English is your first language or if you're just stupid. Or maybe you're drunk or something, I don't know. Please, go back and read your comment several times and hopefully you will find out that you just contradicted yourself in one short sentence and your whole post is one of the most ignorant I have ever come across. I hope for your sake you are a troll or 13 yrs old and live in the woods somewhere and just got access to a computer. Otherwise I cannot fathom such stupidity. I thought have seen it all and then shit like this comes along...unreal.

Easy there, Susu. lol . But you are 100% correct. It's self-explanatory. More specifcally, when you understand why the term is even used to determine cause of death. It is a no brainer.

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Reply #751 posted 11/29/17 8:01pm

Susu1976

Menes said:



Susu1976 said:


Misslink88 said:


This. How does one "accidentaly overdose" with a pill that is laced with so much fentanyl? Self-administered, yes. Accidental overdose, no because a person would have to have had prior knowledge that the pill contained a lethal dose. I can't buy "suicide" because of that fact. I can see "accidental poisoning" though.



WTF?!? Are you sure you should be posting here instead of being on a straight jacket at Bellevue or at McLean (if you're are in the States)? Newsflash! You accidentally overdose when you either don't know what you are putting into your body or how much. "Person would have to have had prior knowledge that the pill contained a lethal dose. I can't buy "suicide" because of that fact.".... Ummm-hmm..already then. I am not sure whether English is your first language or if you're just stupid. Or maybe you're drunk or something, I don't know. Please, go back and read your comment several times and hopefully you will find out that you just contradicted yourself in one short sentence and your whole post is one of the most ignorant I have ever come across. I hope for your sake you are a troll or 13 yrs old and live in the woods somewhere and just got access to a computer. Otherwise I cannot fathom such stupidity. I thought have seen it all and then shit like this comes along...unreal.

Easy there, Susu. lol . But you are 100% correct. It's self-explanatory. More specifcally, when you understand why the term is even used to determine cause of death. It is a no brainer.


LOL, yeah I know. It's my day off so I actually have time to hang out here but being in direct contact with people who are either going through withdrawal, went through it, relapsed, had patients who have died from addiction I take the topic very seriously and when someone is clearly very ignorant, I have a very low tolerance for that. It's a field unknown to many and I understand that but to make ignorant comments and throw absurd conclusions makes my blood boil and I tend to let it be known....maybe a little too harshly. It's just very frustrating.
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Reply #752 posted 11/29/17 8:04pm

Misslink88

Susu1976 said:

Misslink88 said:

This. How does one "accidentaly overdose" with a pill that is laced with so much fentanyl? Self-administered, yes. Accidental overdose, no because a person would have to have had prior knowledge that the pill contained a lethal dose. I can't buy "suicide" because of that fact. I can see "accidental poisoning" though.

WTF?!? Are you sure you should be posting here instead of being on a straight jacket at Bellevue or at McLean (if you're are in the States)? Newsflash! You accidentally overdose when you either don't know what you are putting into your body or how much. "Person would have to have had prior knowledge that the pill contained a lethal dose. I can't buy "suicide" because of that fact.".... Ummm-hmm..already then. I am not sure whether English is your first language or if you're just stupid. Or maybe you're drunk or something, I don't know. Please, go back and read your comment several times and hopefully you will find out that you just contradicted yourself in one short sentence and your whole post is one of the most ignorant I have ever come across. I hope for your sake you are a troll or 13 yrs old and live in the woods somewhere and just got access to a computer. Otherwise I cannot fathom such stupidity. I thought have seen it all and then shit like this comes along...unreal.

Relax. Seriously. Too much self-importance is not good for the soul. Suicide is premediated murder. Therefore, a person would have to knowingly take a pill containing a lethal dose of something. The search warrants don't say if any of the other pills tested contained leghal doses, or even if the additional pills were, in fact, tested at all.

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Reply #753 posted 11/29/17 8:04pm

Bodhitheblackd
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Susu1976 said:

Menes said:

Easy there, Susu. lol . But you are 100% correct. It's self-explanatory. More specifcally, when you understand why the term is even used to determine cause of death. It is a no brainer.

LOL, yeah I know. It's my day off so I actually have time to hang out here but being in direct contact with people who are either going through withdrawal, went through it, relapsed, had patients who have died from addiction I take the topic very seriously and when someone is clearly very ignorant, I have a very low tolerance for that. It's a field unknown to many and I understand that but to make ignorant comments and throw absurd conclusions makes my blood boil and I tend to let it be known....maybe a little too harshly. It's just very frustrating.

Thanks and respect for the work you do...hang in there...we got ya!

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Reply #754 posted 11/29/17 8:13pm

Susu1976

Misslink88 said:



Susu1976 said:


Misslink88 said:


This. How does one "accidentaly overdose" with a pill that is laced with so much fentanyl? Self-administered, yes. Accidental overdose, no because a person would have to have had prior knowledge that the pill contained a lethal dose. I can't buy "suicide" because of that fact. I can see "accidental poisoning" though.



WTF?!? Are you sure you should be posting here instead of being on a straight jacket at Bellevue or at McLean (if you're are in the States)? Newsflash! You accidentally overdose when you either don't know what you are putting into your body or how much. "Person would have to have had prior knowledge that the pill contained a lethal dose. I can't buy "suicide" because of that fact.".... Ummm-hmm..already then. I am not sure whether English is your first language or if you're just stupid. Or maybe you're drunk or something, I don't know. Please, go back and read your comment several times and hopefully you will find out that you just contradicted yourself in one short sentence and your whole post is one of the most ignorant I have ever come across. I hope for your sake you are a troll or 13 yrs old and live in the woods somewhere and just got access to a computer. Otherwise I cannot fathom such stupidity. I thought have seen it all and then shit like this comes along...unreal.

Relax. Seriously. Too much self-importance is not good for the soul. Suicide is premediated murder. Therefore, a person would have to knowingly take a pill containing a lethal dose of something. The search warrants don't say if any of the other pills tested contained leghal doses, or even if the additional pills were, in fact, tested at all.




You make me sick. Your holier than thou attitude is disgusting.This is my last response to you and I will never dignify your ignorance with further response. I hope you will see the light some day.
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Reply #755 posted 11/29/17 8:15pm

Menes

Susu1976 said:

Menes said:

Easy there, Susu. lol . But you are 100% correct. It's self-explanatory. More specifcally, when you understand why the term is even used to determine cause of death. It is a no brainer.

LOL, yeah I know. It's my day off so I actually have time to hang out here but being in direct contact with people who are either going through withdrawal, went through it, relapsed, had patients who have died from addiction I take the topic very seriously and when someone is clearly very ignorant, I have a very low tolerance for that. It's a field unknown to many and I understand that but to make ignorant comments and throw absurd conclusions makes my blood boil and I tend to let it be known....maybe a little too harshly. It's just very frustrating.

I understand. It is evident that you are quite knowledgeable about this. Expect to get challenged , expect to get responses and questions that will not rise to your level of expertise. Par for the course round these parts.

Eventually, your knowledge will speak for itself. Some will be forced to go educate themselves about it, or, exercise their right to bombard the board with whatever they believe to be factual.


*Not sure if you had the chance to look at the specific warrant related to the pills taken into custody from PP. If you have, can you give us a quick summary on what you think the pills mentioned in that warrant would indicate?

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Reply #756 posted 11/29/17 8:34pm

Susu1976

Menes said:



Susu1976 said:


Menes said:


Easy there, Susu. lol . But you are 100% correct. It's self-explanatory. More specifcally, when you understand why the term is even used to determine cause of death. It is a no brainer.



LOL, yeah I know. It's my day off so I actually have time to hang out here but being in direct contact with people who are either going through withdrawal, went through it, relapsed, had patients who have died from addiction I take the topic very seriously and when someone is clearly very ignorant, I have a very low tolerance for that. It's a field unknown to many and I understand that but to make ignorant comments and throw absurd conclusions makes my blood boil and I tend to let it be known....maybe a little too harshly. It's just very frustrating.

I understand. It is evident that you are quite knowledgeable about this. Expect to get challenged , expect to get responses and questions that will not rise to your level of expertise. Par for the course round these parts.

Eventually, your knowledge will speak for itself. Some will be forced to go educate themselves about it, or, exercise their right to bombard the board with whatever they believe to be factual.


*Not sure if you had the chance to look at the specific warrant related to the pills taken into custody from PP. If you have, can you give us a quick summary on what you think the pills mentioned in that warrant would indicate?


Thanks! I read the search warrants way back but I don't remember off the top of my head now all of what was there. The only thing I remember is that he had ondansentron, benzos and counterfeit and legit oxycodone. I need to go back and look at the warrants again. It was suggested earlier that Suboxone was there prior to A Kornfeld going there. I don't believe it for a second. Ondansentron suggests P was suffering from withdrawal as nausea and vomiting are common symptoms. Whether the benzos were to alleviate the withdrawal symptoms or if he was using them for awhile also, who knows but they are used for withdrawal symptoms as withdrawal causes anxiety, agitation, nervousness, etc. I just don't remember if there was a prescription for them and for whom. For some reason I keep thinking he had Xanax (alprazolam) and that is NOT used for withdrawal symptoms so he used that for other things.
Anyway, I need to check the warrants as I haven't checked them since they were published. I only looked at the one today of what was in A Kornfeld's bag as someone asked what the labels and the numbers meant. Those drugs were all to manage withdrawal symptoms.
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Reply #757 posted 11/29/17 8:41pm

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**Note the media got the Watson 385 stamp wrong. The Warrants say Watson 853.**


One pill with the "Watson 385" stamp that was analyzed by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension tested positive for fentanyl, lidocaine and another drug. Officials found nearly two dozen pills similar to the one that was tested, the official said.

Another aspirin bottle had 64 counterfeit tablets in it. Some pills that were analyzed contained fentanyl, lidocaine and U-4770 -- a synthetic drug that is eight times more powerful than morphine.

Authorities also found a prescription bottle in someone else's name that contained 10 oxycodone pills, the official said, without revealing who was listed on the prescription.

The official said Prince had many of these pills with him on April 15 when the airplane he was on made an emergency stop in Moline, Illinois, after he fell ill from a suspected drug overdose as he was heading home from a performance in Atlanta. Prince was given two doses of Narcan, an antidote used to reverse suspected opioid overdoses, the official said.

Authorities have analyzed over 40 different items so far, including roughly 20 different bottles or pill containers, the official said.



U-4770 can be tested for in toxicology screens, but is not done routinely because it

is a relatively new chemical. Presence of the drug was not tested in Prince's case, but the levels of fentanyl in his system were more than enough to be toxic, the official said.

Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said.

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Reply #758 posted 11/29/17 8:46pm

purplefam99

Susu1976 said:

purplefam99 said:





Ahhh ok now I see, thx. And another question, the narcan he was given after the plane does that drug send you into immediate detox. Meaning in the days right after moline, do you think, prince using that detox from narcan, tired to start weaning then, or is there no need to wean because his system was clear?
My direct question is after moline did his body no longer crave the pills?
Thx.

Your body goes into an immediate detox, yes and is extremely uncomfortable for the person as it rids the body of all trades of the opiates. Technically there is no need to wean after that but the withdrawal especially after longer-term heavy use can be so bad that the person needs help dealing with the withdrawal symptoms otherwise the risk of relapse is extremely high. Also, the person is used to taking large doses of opiates and tend to not realize the risk of an overdose if they do relapse. They often take the same amount they used to take prior to the Narcan and their body cannot handle that dose. Another important thing to remember is that dependency/addiction is rarely just a physiological issue especially after long term use regardless of why the person is taking me drug or started taking it in the first place, so the person craves the opiate on a psychological level even after the physiological cravings subside. That's why detox should always be followed by rehab even if it's out-patient.
Obviously I wasn't there to witness Prince's level of dependency/addiction but just by judging by the sheer number of pills found and the classic behavior of someone who is using heavily ( being able to function indicates high tolerance, the hiding of pills is text book addict behavior) I would assume that he became very ill physically and mentally in the days following the Moline incident and he couldn't cope with the withdrawal symptoms and took that fatal dose to alleviate them. If he had just battled it out for a few more hrs ( severe withdrawal can be sheer hell so it certainly easier said than done), the outcome might have been very different.



Thx Susu, I appreciate your reply and answer.
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Reply #759 posted 11/29/17 8:48pm

Misslink88

PennyPurple said:

**Note the media got the Watson 385 stamp wrong. The Warrants say Watson 853.**


One pill with the "Watson 385" stamp that was analyzed by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension tested positive for fentanyl, lidocaine and another drug. Officials found nearly two dozen pills similar to the one that was tested, the official said.

Another aspirin bottle had 64 counterfeit tablets in it. Some pills that were analyzed contained fentanyl, lidocaine and U-4770 -- a synthetic drug that is eight times more powerful than morphine.

Authorities also found a prescription bottle in someone else's name that contained 10 oxycodone pills, the official said, without revealing who was listed on the prescription.

The official said Prince had many of these pills with him on April 15 when the airplane he was on made an emergency stop in Moline, Illinois, after he fell ill from a suspected drug overdose as he was heading home from a performance in Atlanta. Prince was given two doses of Narcan, an antidote used to reverse suspected opioid overdoses, the official said.

Authorities have analyzed over 40 different items so far, including roughly 20 different bottles or pill containers, the official said.



U-4770 can be tested for in toxicology screens, but is not done routinely because it

is a relatively new chemical. Presence of the drug was not tested in Prince's case, but the levels of fentanyl in his system were more than enough to be toxic, the official said.

Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said.

IIRC, there was never anything released that it was "one" pill that caused the overdose but only that the concentrations were high is his sytem. The full toxicology report was never released, is that correct?

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Reply #760 posted 11/29/17 8:58pm

Misslink88

Susu1976 said:

Misslink88 said:

Relax. Seriously. Too much self-importance is not good for the soul. Suicide is premediated murder. Therefore, a person would have to knowingly take a pill containing a lethal dose of something. The search warrants don't say if any of the other pills tested contained leghal doses, or even if the additional pills were, in fact, tested at all.

You make me sick. Your holier than thou attitude is disgusting.This is my last response to you and I will never dignify your ignorance with further response. I hope you will see the light some day.

You made this point: :His overdose wasn't directly due to taking the dose he was used to taking but simply a result of the fact that he did not know that the pill(s) were laced with a gigantic amount of fentanyl. I have no idea what he did but all I know that A Kornfeld brought those meds to PP to treat withdrawals. So, either P was in withdrawals or there was hope he would agree to detox for good and the meds were there to get him started." Based on that, I made the comment that I believe he didn't commit suicide at which point you came out swinging. It IS possible to have a civil conversation about it even if you disagree. No "holier than thou" comment was intended. I didn't question your expert opinion. I simply stated my belief based on the reports I've read.

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Reply #761 posted 11/29/17 9:00pm

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Misslink88 said:

PennyPurple said:

**Note the media got the Watson 385 stamp wrong. The Warrants say Watson 853.**


One pill with the "Watson 385" stamp that was analyzed by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension tested positive for fentanyl, lidocaine and another drug. Officials found nearly two dozen pills similar to the one that was tested, the official said.

Another aspirin bottle had 64 counterfeit tablets in it. Some pills that were analyzed contained fentanyl, lidocaine and U-4770 -- a synthetic drug that is eight times more powerful than morphine.

Authorities also found a prescription bottle in someone else's name that contained 10 oxycodone pills, the official said, without revealing who was listed on the prescription.

The official said Prince had many of these pills with him on April 15 when the airplane he was on made an emergency stop in Moline, Illinois, after he fell ill from a suspected drug overdose as he was heading home from a performance in Atlanta. Prince was given two doses of Narcan, an antidote used to reverse suspected opioid overdoses, the official said.

Authorities have analyzed over 40 different items so far, including roughly 20 different bottles or pill containers, the official said.



U-4770 can be tested for in toxicology screens, but is not done routinely because it

is a relatively new chemical. Presence of the drug was not tested in Prince's case, but the levels of fentanyl in his system were more than enough to be toxic, the official said.

Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said.

IIRC, there was never anything released that it was "one" pill that caused the overdose but only that the concentrations were high is his sytem. The full toxicology report was never released, is that correct?

Correct. I have never heard how many pills, whether it was 1 or 10 that caused the overdose. The full toxicology report was never released, but it did leak, or a partial of it leaked.

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Reply #762 posted 11/29/17 9:11pm

purplefam99

PennyPurple said:



Misslink88 said:




PennyPurple said:


**Note the media got the Watson 385 stamp wrong. The Warrants say Watson 853.**







One pill with the "Watson 385" stamp that was analyzed by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension tested positive for fentanyl, lidocaine and another drug. Officials found nearly two dozen pills similar to the one that was tested, the official said.


Another aspirin bottle had 64 counterfeit tablets in it. Some pills that were analyzed contained fentanyl, lidocaine and U-4770 -- a synthetic drug that is eight times more powerful than morphine.


Authorities also found a prescription bottle in someone else's name that contained 10 oxycodone pills, the official said, without revealing who was listed on the prescription.


The official said Prince had many of these pills with him on April 15 when the airplane he was on made an emergency stop in Moline, Illinois, after he fell ill from a suspected drug overdose as he was heading home from a performance in Atlanta. Prince was given two doses of Narcan, an antidote used to reverse suspected opioid overdoses, the official said.



Authorities have analyzed over 40 different items so far, including roughly 20 different bottles or pill containers, the official said.





U-4770 can be tested for in toxicology screens, but is not done routinely because it


is a relatively new chemical. Presence of the drug was not tested in Prince's case, but the levels of fentanyl in his system were more than enough to be toxic, the official said.


Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said.




IIRC, there was never anything released that it was "one" pill that caused the overdose but only that the concentrations were high is his sytem. The full toxicology report was never released, is that correct?



Correct. I have never heard how many pills, whether it was 1 or 10 that caused the overdose. The full toxicology report was never released, but it did leak, or a partial of it leaked.



And the leaked info was???
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Reply #763 posted 11/29/17 9:23pm

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Read the entire article at the link, it's really interesting.

purplefam99 said:

And the leaked info was???

Toxicology results revealed Prince's blood fentanyl level measured 67.8 milligrams. Three is considered fatal by experts. His liver fentanyl level topped 435 milligrams. Anything above 69 is toxic, according to investigators. And his gastric fentanyl registered at 14,000, an extraordinarily high amount, and more than his 112-pound body could handle, according to sources.


http://kstp.com/medical/f...Cbr%20/%3E

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Reply #764 posted 11/29/17 9:38pm

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Toxicology results revealed Prince's blood fentanyl level measured 67.8 milligrams. Three is considered fatal by experts. His liver fentanyl level topped 435 milligrams. Anything above 69 is toxic, according to investigators. And his gastric fentanyl registered at 14,000, an extraordinarily high amount, and more than his 112-pound body could handle, according to sources.

It also has to be considered that the so-called "leaked" tox report was one of three scenarios: leaked, partially leaked, or made up. We really have no idea at all which is true of those 3 scenarios. Much like a great deal of the info we have gotten from unsubstantiated sources.

[Edited 11/29/17 21:39pm]

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
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Reply #765 posted 11/29/17 9:50pm

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Can anyone answer this question for me. I see the leaked report states his gastric Fentanyl levels. Is the only way to have meds show up gastrically is by the pills being swallowed. For instance does a heroin addict that shoots up, does the drug show up in his gastric system or just his blood stream? Is gastric limited to the stomach only? Thx.
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Reply #766 posted 11/29/17 11:30pm

Susu1976

purplefam99 said:

Can anyone answer this question for me. I see the leaked report states his gastric Fentanyl levels. Is the only way to have meds show up gastrically is by the pills being swallowed. For instance does a heroin addict that shoots up, does the drug show up in his gastric system or just his blood stream? Is gastric limited to the stomach only? Thx.

Gastric is limited to stomach content only.Your digestive system stops (obviously) the minute you die, so whatever is in the gastric system would be an indication as to what didn't get into the blood stream before the person died and is not really accurate way to determine how much substance the person had in his or her system (i.e. absorbed by the body) at the time of death. Usually, if there is a load of undigested pills, it might indicate suicide. Or, there might just be one pill because the person took two pills and one was strong enough to kill. Other evidence would be found in renal, hepatic, blood, bile, ocular fluid, urine, brain tissue and skin samples. Since we don't have Prince's full tox, we don't know how many samples and from where she, the ME took.
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Reply #767 posted 11/30/17 5:44am

nelcp777

Susu1976 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Susu1976: I'm sure I'm just one of many here who are grateful for your generosity in sharing your professional expertise. Big Thanks...I know it's a heavy-lift trying to get through to some.

:: Thanks! I appreciate it! I tried to keep my cool as long as possibly could but damn...

Well, I appreciate your insight and I have learned a lot from your discussion. Thanks again.

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Reply #768 posted 11/30/17 7:14am

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The alleged tox report was never picked up by any other news agencies.

I dont even think the Star Tribune ran this story, did it?

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Reply #769 posted 11/30/17 8:21am

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PennyPurple said:

**Note the media got the Watson 385 stamp wrong. The Warrants say Watson 853.**


One pill with the "Watson 385" stamp that was analyzed by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension tested positive for fentanyl, lidocaine and another drug. Officials found nearly two dozen pills similar to the one that was tested, the official said.

Another aspirin bottle had 64 counterfeit tablets in it. Some pills that were analyzed contained fentanyl, lidocaine and U-4770 -- a synthetic drug that is eight times more powerful than morphine.

Authorities also found a prescription bottle in someone else's name that contained 10 oxycodone pills, the official said, without revealing who was listed on the prescription.

The official said Prince had many of these pills with him on April 15 when the airplane he was on made an emergency stop in Moline, Illinois, after he fell ill from a suspected drug overdose as he was heading home from a performance in Atlanta. Prince was given two doses of Narcan, an antidote used to reverse suspected opioid overdoses, the official said.

Authorities have analyzed over 40 different items so far, including roughly 20 different bottles or pill containers, the official said.



U-4770 can be tested for in toxicology screens, but is not done routinely because it

is a relatively new chemical. Presence of the drug was not tested in Prince's case, but the levels of fentanyl in his system were more than enough to be toxic, the official said.

Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said.

64 Counterfeit tablets... Good Gracious! eek

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Reply #770 posted 11/30/17 8:45am

nelcp777

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The alleged tox report was never picked up by any other news agencies.

I dont even think the Star Tribune ran this story, did it?

I never saw it on the Star Tribune, but I could have overlooked it.

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Reply #771 posted 11/30/17 9:05am

Menes

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The alleged tox report was never picked up by any other news agencies.

I dont even think the Star Tribune ran this story, did it?

A "source" leaked partial information from the supposed toxicology report in question to the Star Tribune. It is not clear if they got the information first hand ( as in they saw the actual report) or just repeated what a "source" was told.

What is interesting is that that story in the Tribune was printed a mere 7 days after Prince was deceased which would mean that if true, she (ME) did a full spectrum toxicology report and that revealed the presence of several other drugs not reportedly found at PP per the warrants. What would also be alarming is if what the "source" leaked, could be confirmed. When you combine what was found in the warrants in conjunction with what was leaked from the supposed broad spectrum toxicology report, it paints a very disturbing and tragic picture.

However, let's also remember that this same source told the Tribune that Prince had his clothes on backwards and that it appears he was dead for at least 6 hours. This last part could be of importance because by my calculation of the Fentanyl laced pills that were in circulation, his time of death would have happened within minutes of ingestion. If you apply the mathematical layout of PP, you would just stop typing and stare at the results...

Again, its a leak, nothing was confirmed because the warrants were sealed.

For your records.

Fentanyl pills seized from Paisley Park were mislabeled - StarTribune ...


Drug screening test can d... urine ...


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Reply #772 posted 11/30/17 9:42am

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Menes said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The alleged tox report was never picked up by any other news agencies.

I dont even think the Star Tribune ran this story, did it?

A "source" leaked partial information from the supposed toxicology report in question to the Star Tribune. It is not clear if they got the information first hand ( as in they saw the actual report) or just repeated what a "source" was told.

What is interesting is that that story in the Tribune was printed a mere 7 days after Prince was deceased which would mean that if true, she (ME) did a full spectrum toxicology report and that revealed the presence of several other drugs not reportedly found at PP per the warrants. What would also be alarming is if what the "source" leaked, could be confirmed. When you combine what was found in the warrants in conjunction with what was leaked from the supposed broad spectrum toxicology report, it paints a very disturbing and tragic picture.

However, let's also remember that this same source told the Tribune that Prince had his clothes on backwards and that it appears he was dead for at least 6 hours. This last part could be of importance because by my calculation of the Fentanyl laced pills that were in circulation, his time of death would have happened within minutes of ingestion. If you apply the mathematical layout of PP, you would just stop typing and stare at the results...

Again, its a leak, nothing was confirmed because the warrants were sealed.

For your records.

Fentanyl pills seized from Paisley Park were mislabeled - StarTribune ...


Drug screening test can d... urine ...


Thanks Menes...keep staring folks

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Reply #773 posted 11/30/17 9:51am

paulludvig

Menes said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The alleged tox report was never picked up by any other news agencies.

I dont even think the Star Tribune ran this story, did it?

A "source" leaked partial information from the supposed toxicology report in question to the Star Tribune. It is not clear if they got the information first hand ( as in they saw the actual report) or just repeated what a "source" was told.

What is interesting is that that story in the Tribune was printed a mere 7 days after Prince was deceased which would mean that if true, she (ME) did a full spectrum toxicology report and that revealed the presence of several other drugs not reportedly found at PP per the warrants. What would also be alarming is if what the "source" leaked, could be confirmed. When you combine what was found in the warrants in conjunction with what was leaked from the supposed broad spectrum toxicology report, it paints a very disturbing and tragic picture.

However, let's also remember that this same source told the Tribune that Prince had his clothes on backwards and that it appears he was dead for at least 6 hours. This last part could be of importance because by my calculation of the Fentanyl laced pills that were in circulation, his time of death would have happened within minutes of ingestion. If you apply the mathematical layout of PP, you would just stop typing and stare at the results...

Again, its a leak, nothing was confirmed because the warrants were sealed.

For your records.

Fentanyl pills seized from Paisley Park were mislabeled - StarTribune ...


Drug screening test can d... urine ...


Can you be more specific as to the two sentences I have bolded?

The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #774 posted 11/30/17 9:52am

morningsong

Not sure what urine test have to do with gastric test but okay. I keep ending up exactly where I ended up a long time ago.

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Reply #775 posted 11/30/17 10:12am

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Menes said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The alleged tox report was never picked up by any other news agencies.

I dont even think the Star Tribune ran this story, did it?

A "source" leaked partial information from the supposed toxicology report in question to the Star Tribune. It is not clear if they got the information first hand ( as in they saw the actual report) or just repeated what a "source" was told.

What is interesting is that that story in the Tribune was printed a mere 7 days after Prince was deceased which would mean that if true, she (ME) did a full spectrum toxicology report and that revealed the presence of several other drugs not reportedly found at PP per the warrants. What would also be alarming is if what the "source" leaked, could be confirmed. When you combine what was found in the warrants in conjunction with what was leaked from the supposed broad spectrum toxicology report, it paints a very disturbing and tragic picture.

However, let's also remember that this same source told the Tribune that Prince had his clothes on backwards and that it appears he was dead for at least 6 hours. This last part could be of importance because by my calculation of the Fentanyl laced pills that were in circulation, his time of death would have happened within minutes of ingestion. If you apply the mathematical layout of PP, you would just stop typing and stare at the results...

Again, its a leak, nothing was confirmed because the warrants were sealed.

For your records.

Fentanyl pills seized from Paisley Park were mislabeled - StarTribune ...


Drug screening test can d... urine ...


It was mentioned by Andrew that he blood was pooling and that he believed that Prince had been deceased for sometime.

They put his death at six hours earlier and many of us have wondered about that and the amount reported by the media of Fentenyl in his system.

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Reply #776 posted 11/30/17 10:13am

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Susu1976 said:

Misslink88 said:

Relax. Seriously. Too much self-importance is not good for the soul. Suicide is premediated murder. Therefore, a person would have to knowingly take a pill containing a lethal dose of something. The search warrants don't say if any of the other pills tested contained leghal doses, or even if the additional pills were, in fact, tested at all.

You make me sick. Your holier than thou attitude is disgusting.This is my last response to you and I will never dignify your ignorance with further response. I hope you will see the light some day.

Go back and read what you typed. You are making yourself sick not me. I hope you get help since my opinions are worrying you so much.

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Reply #777 posted 11/30/17 10:30am

Menes

paulludvig said:

Menes said:

A "source" leaked partial information from the supposed toxicology report in question to the Star Tribune. It is not clear if they got the information first hand ( as in they saw the actual report) or just repeated what a "source" was told.

What is interesting is that that story in the Tribune was printed a mere 7 days after Prince was deceased which would mean that if true, she (ME) did a full spectrum toxicology report and that revealed the presence of several other drugs not reportedly found at PP per the warrants. What would also be alarming is if what the "source" leaked, could be confirmed. When you combine what was found in the warrants in conjunction with what was leaked from the supposed broad spectrum toxicology report, it paints a very disturbing and tragic picture.

However, let's also remember that this same source told the Tribune that Prince had his clothes on backwards and that it appears he was dead for at least 6 hours. This last part could be of importance because by my calculation of the Fentanyl laced pills that were in circulation, his time of death would have happened within minutes of ingestion. If you apply the mathematical layout of PP, you would just stop typing and stare at the results...

Again, its a leak, nothing was confirmed because the warrants were sealed.

For your records.

Fentanyl pills seized from Paisley Park were mislabeled - StarTribune ...


Drug screening test can d... urine ...


Can you be more specific as to the two sentences I have bolded?

No. Not in detail. I will not do that. I don't mean to be rude or short with my response but that will take us on a serious detour . Since I seem to be the only person calculating , and recalculating, I think it would be unfair to qualify anything like that at this time. I know we want the most salacious thing we can find to be posted. This is why I am careful with the leaks.

I will leave you with these thoughts...You can't possibly read these leaks from "sources close to the investigation" and not conclude that this was a person who was in very very deep. You cannot read the leaks and not be flabbergasted by the amount of energy and planning it took to conceal all that you see. It would be indefensible. In essence , denial of the tallest order. Proceed with caution when reading these things lest your darkest thoughts become a reality.

*If you look for the perfect answer in any of my post, you will never be content. Time reveals all.

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Reply #778 posted 11/30/17 10:30am

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Susu1976 said:

laurarichardson said:

Let me explain something to you because once again we have a drug expert who is making something more complicated them it is because well they are an expert and the rest of us were hatched yesterday.

1) Dr. K or is idiot son would not have any way of know what drugs Prince had taken in the last 8 hours of his life as they were not his doctors and had no access to him during that time frame.

If Andrew had administered anything to him he might have killed him since he had no idea what Prince had taken.

2) I am not suggesting that Andrew went to PP to overdose and kill Prince. I am saying that his ignorance and like of a medical degree would have caused him to kill Prince. I never said that was his intent. Intent is something you keep bring up not me. Now you need to sit down somewhere and try using your brain instead of making up stuff.

3) I have never given Kirk or Andrew any slack and if someone goes to jail it will probaly be Kirk. Not Dr. S or Andrew. I do not give a rat's ass what tolerance you have because you are so busy defending Andrew and Dr. K who probaly just wanted to get a wealthy person in their quack client that they were willing to break the law. If you used your head you would see what this was really all about and try doing a little research on the complaints against Dr. K. after all you are an drug expert who does not seem to understand federal laws or anything about drug interactions.

Ermm, what part of Federal law do I not understand according to you?!? ANDREW KORNFELD NEWER GAVE PRINCE ANYTHING so stop the shoulda woulda coulda. Yes, I am an expert in pharmacology and damn proud of it, thank you. What stuff did I make up? Please, list them or like I already said STFU. When I brought up intent it was as in Andrew Kornfeld's obvious intent was to get Prince into path of detox. Understanding context doesn't seem to be your strength, neither is reading comprehension, rational and critical thinking, logic....ugh I give up. The list is too long. Speaking of resident expert, haven't you crowned yourself all things ever discussed in this forum as nobody is ever correct except you? Anyway, like I said I am not going at this back and forth with an idiot like you. There are so many intelligent posters in t!his forum to converse with. You are not one of them and not worth my time.

1) You do not understand that Andrew is not a doctor and had controlled substances in his possession and brought them across states line.

2) Andrew broke the law and his intent means nothing.

3) The police even inform of the law he has broken in the search warrant.

4) You are an expert in pharmacology but ignorant concerning the laws that govern who can have possession of these drugs and administer them.

5) You are making up Andrew’s intent because you do not know his intent and neither to do I. We both know he broke the law and his intent means nothing.

6) I have never said I am right and everybody else is wrong so once again you are making something up that is not true to try and make some point.

7) Only unintelligent people ignore facts like you have decided to do

A) Andrew breaking the law no matter what his intent was

B) Illegality of bringing controlled substances across state lines.

C) The background information on Dr K which is bad

D) The fact that Andrew and Dr. K were not needed since Hazelton was down the street.

  1. Knock off your name calling before I report your ass.

[Edited 11/30/17 10:40am]

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Reply #779 posted 11/30/17 10:39am

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Menes said:

Susu1976 said:

Misslink88 said: WTF?!? Are you sure you should be posting here instead of being on a straight jacket at Bellevue or at McLean (if you're are in the States)? Newsflash! You accidentally overdose when you either don't know what you are putting into your body or how much. "Person would have to have had prior knowledge that the pill contained a lethal dose. I can't buy "suicide" because of that fact.".... Ummm-hmm..already then. I am not sure whether English is your first language or if you're just stupid. Or maybe you're drunk or something, I don't know. Please, go back and read your comment several times and hopefully you will find out that you just contradicted yourself in one short sentence and your whole post is one of the most ignorant I have ever come across. I hope for your sake you are a troll or 13 yrs old and live in the woods somewhere and just got access to a computer. Otherwise I cannot fathom such stupidity. I thought have seen it all and then shit like this comes along...unreal.

Easy there, Susu. lol . But you are 100% correct. It's self-explanatory. More specifcally, when you understand why the term is even used to determine cause of death. It is a no brainer.

Some of you think you know so much. I have seen screen shots from people who worked for Prince who said he told them to get their stuff out of Paisley Park because they might not be able to get their stuff out later. His sister is telling you she knew ahead of time based on an e-mail he sent her, Someone perhaps Pheadra may have had POA to sign docs for him, he had widdled his staff down to 2 people, and he sent everyone away and made sure the security cams were turned off.

He could have very well have known what was in the those pills or just decided to roll the dice and take as many as possible. None of the things I mentioned would have any bearing on the ME decision on calling his death accidental but there is enough information to make it plausible to appear to have been a sucidial effort.

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