Menes said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Dear Menes: My heart is filled with gratitude for you; and is breaking at the same time. If only...

[Edited 11/30/17 18:26pm]

Thanks. It's all good . Maybe some will understand that I went thru a rather eye opening experience and had to throw away my own individual bias. I am not where I was a year ago and it is because I decided to take the road less traveled and go wherever the information was taking me. This is regardless of how bad I wanted to be done with it. I haven't listened to a Prince album since Sign O' the times. I really don't have any skin in the "Prince is my idol" mantra, nor the "Prince is the devil incarnate " .

A person asked me once, "what if he had Aids? My response was simple. So.

If you're emotionally invested in the man , the music, the look, the sexuality, I can imagine that it is a bit difficult to see him portrayed in a negative light. It must be a shock to the system. I've just learned to accept the information for what it is and continue to enjoy the music. I could care less if Prince was a Santeria priest dressed in drag who got high and fornicated with the gods. The music is too good.Too powerful. Hey, if that's what it took to get that kind of music, I'm not complaining.

It's ok to mention Prince and drugs in the same sentence. Most of my favourite band music was probably done on drugs. Who would have thought 'good ol' boy' band REM had a hellraiser in their midst?! Let's just say, when musicians are in their 20s, considerably headstrong, willing to experiment and extremely creative musically, they can get away with just about anything. Likewise movie stars are given to experiment, at least when they're young. But I digress.

Regardless, the most impressive thing about P's music maybe above all else is its diversity. The most varied repertoire that will probably stand for all time. And if drugs helped a little along the way, so be it.

fortuneandserendipity said:

Menes said:

Thanks. It's all good . Maybe some will understand that I went thru a rather eye opening experience and had to throw away my own individual bias. I am not where I was a year ago and it is because I decided to take the road less traveled and go wherever the information was taking me. This is regardless of how bad I wanted to be done with it. I haven't listened to a Prince album since Sign O' the times. I really don't have any skin in the "Prince is my idol" mantra, nor the "Prince is the devil incarnate " .

A person asked me once, "what if he had Aids? My response was simple. So.

If you're emotionally invested in the man , the music, the look, the sexuality, I can imagine that it is a bit difficult to see him portrayed in a negative light. It must be a shock to the system. I've just learned to accept the information for what it is and continue to enjoy the music. I could care less if Prince was a Santeria priest dressed in drag who got high and fornicated with the gods. The music is too good.Too powerful. Hey, if that's what it took to get that kind of music, I'm not complaining.

It's ok to mention Prince and drugs in the same sentence. Most of my favourite band music was probably done on drugs. Who would have thought 'good ol' boy' band REM had a hellraiser in their midst?! Let's just say, when musicians are in their 20s, considerably headstrong, willing to experiment and extremely creative musically, they can get away with just about anything. Likewise movie stars are given to experiment, at least when they're young. But I digress.

Regardless, the most impressive thing about P's music maybe above all else is its diversity. The most varied repertoire that will probably stand for all time. And if drugs helped a little along the way, so be it.

Thanks so much, this needed to be said.

fortuneandserendipity said:

Menes said:

Thanks. It's all good . Maybe some will understand that I went thru a rather eye opening experience and had to throw away my own individual bias. I am not where I was a year ago and it is because I decided to take the road less traveled and go wherever the information was taking me. This is regardless of how bad I wanted to be done with it. I haven't listened to a Prince album since Sign O' the times. I really don't have any skin in the "Prince is my idol" mantra, nor the "Prince is the devil incarnate " .

A person asked me once, "what if he had Aids? My response was simple. So.

If you're emotionally invested in the man , the music, the look, the sexuality, I can imagine that it is a bit difficult to see him portrayed in a negative light. It must be a shock to the system. I've just learned to accept the information for what it is and continue to enjoy the music. I could care less if Prince was a Santeria priest dressed in drag who got high and fornicated with the gods. The music is too good.Too powerful. Hey, if that's what it took to get that kind of music, I'm not complaining.

It's ok to mention Prince and drugs in the same sentence. Most of my favourite band music was probably done on drugs. Who would have thought 'good ol' boy' band REM had a hellraiser in their midst?! Let's just say, when musicians are in their 20s, considerably headstrong, willing to experiment and extremely creative musically, they can get away with just about anything. Likewise movie stars are given to experiment, at least when they're young. But I digress.

Regardless, the most impressive thing about P's music maybe above all else is its diversity. The most varied repertoire that will probably stand for all time. And if drugs helped a little along the way, so be it.

Yes, this for sure. It is truly the most diversified .

There is this one thing that science and math could not solve for me. That is to say that if you believe that Prince was terminally ill and decided to self medicate, why aren't people seeing the extreme lengths he went to in order to hide it and deal with it himself? That is a very unusual and extreme thing for a human being to do unless you have determined that there is nothing else, and no one else in this entire world that can do anything for you. By this logic, there must be a plan to check out at any moment without regards .

How is it that this same mindset cannot be applied to dealing with a subsequent problem that is equally life threatening? Did Prince really want any help if we agree that he devised very elaborate ways to hide what he was doing in order to secretly continue to ingest some very dangerous chemicals that he is aware could result in death? By this logic, there must be a pre-conceived awareness and preparedness. Having said that, can we assume that he was resolved to deal with the consequences without having regards for death or life?

Menes said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

It's ok to mention Prince and drugs in the same sentence. Most of my favourite band music was probably done on drugs. Who would have thought 'good ol' boy' band REM had a hellraiser in their midst?! Let's just say, when musicians are in their 20s, considerably headstrong, willing to experiment and extremely creative musically, they can get away with just about anything. Likewise movie stars are given to experiment, at least when they're young. But I digress.

Regardless, the most impressive thing about P's music maybe above all else is its diversity. The most varied repertoire that will probably stand for all time. And if drugs helped a little along the way, so be it.

Yes, this for sure. It is truly the most diversified .

There is this one thing that science and math could not solve for me. That is to say that if you believe that Prince was terminally ill and decided to self medicate, why aren't people seeing the extreme lengths he went to in order to hide it and deal with it himself? That is a very unusual and extreme thing for a human being to do unless you have determined that there is nothing else, and no one else in this entire world that can do anything for you. By this logic, there must be a plan to check out at any moment without regards .

How is it that this same mindset cannot be applied to dealing with a subsequent problem that is equally life threatening? Did Prince really want any help if we agree that he devised very elaborate ways to hide what he was doing in order to secretly continue to ingest some very dangerous chemicals that he is aware could result in death? By this logic, there must be a pre-conceived awareness and preparedness. Having said that, can we assume that he was resolved to deal with the consequences without having regards for death or life?

Menes, a quick question: why are you assuming that people haven't seen that?

Mumio said:

Menes said:

Yes, this for sure. It is truly the most diversified .

There is this one thing that science and math could not solve for me. That is to say that if you believe that Prince was terminally ill and decided to self medicate, why aren't people seeing the extreme lengths he went to in order to hide it and deal with it himself? That is a very unusual and extreme thing for a human being to do unless you have determined that there is nothing else, and no one else in this entire world that can do anything for you. By this logic, there must be a plan to check out at any moment without regards .

How is it that this same mindset cannot be applied to dealing with a subsequent problem that is equally life threatening? Did Prince really want any help if we agree that he devised very elaborate ways to hide what he was doing in order to secretly continue to ingest some very dangerous chemicals that he is aware could result in death? By this logic, there must be a pre-conceived awareness and preparedness. Having said that, can we assume that he was resolved to deal with the consequences without having regards for death or life?

Menes, a quick question: why are you assuming that people haven't seen that?

Ah, perhaps I should have wrote "some". I stand corrected. Do you have any thoughts on the second paragraph?

fortuneandserendipity said:

Menes said:

Thanks. It's all good . Maybe some will understand that I went thru a rather eye opening experience and had to throw away my own individual bias. I am not where I was a year ago and it is because I decided to take the road less traveled and go wherever the information was taking me. This is regardless of how bad I wanted to be done with it. I haven't listened to a Prince album since Sign O' the times. I really don't have any skin in the "Prince is my idol" mantra, nor the "Prince is the devil incarnate " .

A person asked me once, "what if he had Aids? My response was simple. So.

If you're emotionally invested in the man , the music, the look, the sexuality, I can imagine that it is a bit difficult to see him portrayed in a negative light. It must be a shock to the system. I've just learned to accept the information for what it is and continue to enjoy the music. I could care less if Prince was a Santeria priest dressed in drag who got high and fornicated with the gods. The music is too good.Too powerful. Hey, if that's what it took to get that kind of music, I'm not complaining.

It's ok to mention Prince and drugs in the same sentence. Most of my favourite band music was probably done on drugs. Who would have thought 'good ol' boy' band REM had a hellraiser in their midst?! Let's just say, when musicians are in their 20s, considerably headstrong, willing to experiment and extremely creative musically, they can get away with just about anything. Likewise movie stars are given to experiment, at least when they're young. But I digress.

Regardless, the most impressive thing about P's music maybe above all else is its diversity. The most varied repertoire that will probably stand for all time. And if drugs helped a little along the way, so be it.

There is no proof that drugs helped him to be diverse. You are discounting where he grew up and his influences from his Dad and community.

No one has had long term success being addicted to drugs and if you think that you are probably using drugs yourself.

[Edited 12/1/17 5:10am]

PennyPurple said:

nelcp777 said:

I am a little slow. Has it ever been released what floor the elevator was on? Initialy, I was under the thought process Prince was dropped of at PP at 8pm. Did whatever he normally does (recording, writing, whatever). On his way upstairs maybe, pops a pill to alleviate pain and the rest is known.

I speculate that because from my understanding, he wears pajamas. So, had he been resting or sleeping or in the living quarters, he may have changed.

I do not believe there was a conspiracy, just an unfortunate incident.

I enjoy your posts and inputs, but I am struggling with my comprehension of what you are saying. That is me, my end, nothing you have done.

I've read somewhere, just in the last few days, that it was on the upper level.

I wonder if he didn't take those when he was dropped off that night on his way in to PP and took the elevator up to his pad & perhaps passed away before he made it up.

Also the clothes that he was described wearing sound like the ones he was wearing at Walgreens. Maybe he didn't change clothes and had them on backwards even when he went out that afternoon/evening.

PennyPurple, thank you. I never heard the elevator level and was curious. It may explain why it took so long to find him? Speculating. Thanks for the information. I also read on here, on of the death invstigation threads that the backward clothing thing was not official and a possible bait by the police for the investigation. Don't quote me on that, so much has been posted it gets hard at times to keep up with it.

Menes said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

It's ok to mention Prince and drugs in the same sentence. Most of my favourite band music was probably done on drugs. Who would have thought 'good ol' boy' band REM had a hellraiser in their midst?! Let's just say, when musicians are in their 20s, considerably headstrong, willing to experiment and extremely creative musically, they can get away with just about anything. Likewise movie stars are given to experiment, at least when they're young. But I digress.

Regardless, the most impressive thing about P's music maybe above all else is its diversity. The most varied repertoire that will probably stand for all time. And if drugs helped a little along the way, so be it.

Yes, this for sure. It is truly the most diversified .

There is this one thing that science and math could not solve for me. That is to say that if you believe that Prince was terminally ill and decided to self medicate, why aren't people seeing the extreme lengths he went to in order to hide it and deal with it himself? That is a very unusual and extreme thing for a human being to do unless you have determined that there is nothing else, and no one else in this entire world that can do anything for you. By this logic, there must be a plan to check out at any moment without regards .

How is it that this same mindset cannot be applied to dealing with a subsequent problem that is equally life threatening? Did Prince really want any help if we agree that he devised very elaborate ways to hide what he was doing in order to secretly continue to ingest some very dangerous chemicals that he is aware could result in death? By this logic, there must be a pre-conceived awareness and preparedness. Having said that, can we assume that he was resolved to deal with the consequences without having regards for death or life?

i suggested in the chronic pain thread, i think it was, that perhaps why we havent seen any other deaths from the same medication was maybe because the drug was procured from a right to die

Kevorcian supporter, perhaps still illicit but a less sinister contact. I am sure with Princes

means any Dr would "know" of that network or could find out and perhaps "slip the info" to prince if

he so chose to use that avenue. Without a doubt there are dr's who know right to die connections.

nelcp777 said:

PennyPurple said:

I've read somewhere, just in the last few days, that it was on the upper level.

I wonder if he didn't take those when he was dropped off that night on his way in to PP and took the elevator up to his pad & perhaps passed away before he made it up.

Also the clothes that he was described wearing sound like the ones he was wearing at Walgreens. Maybe he didn't change clothes and had them on backwards even when he went out that afternoon/evening.

PennyPurple, thank you. I never heard the elevator level and was curious. It may explain why it took so long to find him? Speculating. Thanks for the information. I also read on here, on of the death invstigation threads that the backward clothing thing was not official and a possible bait by the police for the investigation. Don't quote me on that, so much has been posted it gets hard at times to keep up with it.

ok bear with me, but the picture of him in the record store the last week of his life, the way that

turtle neck looks on his neck has always looked backwards to me. somehow my eye has always

been drawn there whenever i view the picture. and now perhaps it because your right Penny,

he had been wearing backward clothing all week???? maybe that was his prep method, a signal

to others?? knew he was about to cross over or nearly had and wanted to keep all ill forces away??

i said bear with me.

but seriously that turtleneck looks odd to me. When penny suggested that perhaps he had been wearing the clothes all day that way, it made me think of that record store pic and his neck.

purplefam99 said:

Menes said:

Yes, this for sure. It is truly the most diversified .

There is this one thing that science and math could not solve for me. That is to say that if you believe that Prince was terminally ill and decided to self medicate, why aren't people seeing the extreme lengths he went to in order to hide it and deal with it himself? That is a very unusual and extreme thing for a human being to do unless you have determined that there is nothing else, and no one else in this entire world that can do anything for you. By this logic, there must be a plan to check out at any moment without regards .

How is it that this same mindset cannot be applied to dealing with a subsequent problem that is equally life threatening? Did Prince really want any help if we agree that he devised very elaborate ways to hide what he was doing in order to secretly continue to ingest some very dangerous chemicals that he is aware could result in death? By this logic, there must be a pre-conceived awareness and preparedness. Having said that, can we assume that he was resolved to deal with the consequences without having regards for death or life?

i suggested in the chronic pain thread, i think it was, that perhaps why we havent seen any other deaths from the same medication was maybe because the drug was procured from a right to die

Kevorcian supporter, perhaps still illicit but a less sinister contact. I am sure with Princes

means any Dr would "know" of that network or could find out and perhaps "slip the info" to prince if

he so chose to use that avenue. Without a doubt there are dr's who know right to die connections.

A right to die supporter or just something Prince had concocted for himself. Roughly the same combo that killed him is being used in Texas as a death penalty drug.

Look at the Hemlock Society

---

http://www.finalexitnetwork.org/About-Us.html

We have heard nothing about massive amounts of people dying from the combo that killed Prince and I mean the combo not just the Fentenyal.

Even if he was suffering with chronic joint pain he would have still been dealing with illness that was not going to go away Rehab or no Rehab.

[Edited 12/1/17 7:16am]

purplefam99 said:

nelcp777 said:

PennyPurple, thank you. I never heard the elevator level and was curious. It may explain why it took so long to find him? Speculating. Thanks for the information. I also read on here, on of the death invstigation threads that the backward clothing thing was not official and a possible bait by the police for the investigation. Don't quote me on that, so much has been posted it gets hard at times to keep up with it.

ok bear with me, but the picture of him in the record store the last week of his life, the way that

turtle neck looks on his neck has always looked backwards to me. somehow my eye has always

been drawn there whenever i view the picture. and now perhaps it because your right Penny,

he had been wearing backward clothing all week???? maybe that was his prep method, a signal

to others?? knew he was about to cross over or nearly had and wanted to keep all ill forces away??

i said bear with me.

but seriously that turtleneck looks odd to me. When penny suggested that perhaps he had been wearing the clothes all day that way, it made me think of that record store pic and his neck.

I just think his clothes were wrinkled. The real question is he was wearing the black get up in St. Barts. Why wear black clothing and a turleneck to a sunny resort area?

purplefam99 said:

nelcp777 said:

PennyPurple, thank you. I never heard the elevator level and was curious. It may explain why it took so long to find him? Speculating. Thanks for the information. I also read on here, on of the death invstigation threads that the backward clothing thing was not official and a possible bait by the police for the investigation. Don't quote me on that, so much has been posted it gets hard at times to keep up with it.

ok bear with me, but the picture of him in the record store the last week of his life, the way that

turtle neck looks on his neck has always looked backwards to me. somehow my eye has always

been drawn there whenever i view the picture. and now perhaps it because your right Penny,

he had been wearing backward clothing all week???? maybe that was his prep method, a signal

to others?? knew he was about to cross over or nearly had and wanted to keep all ill forces away??

i said bear with me.

but seriously that turtleneck looks odd to me. When penny suggested that perhaps he had been wearing the clothes all day that way, it made me think of that record store pic and his neck.

This one?

paulludvig said:

purplefam99 said:

ok bear with me, but the picture of him in the record store the last week of his life, the way that

turtle neck looks on his neck has always looked backwards to me. somehow my eye has always

been drawn there whenever i view the picture. and now perhaps it because your right Penny,

he had been wearing backward clothing all week???? maybe that was his prep method, a signal

to others?? knew he was about to cross over or nearly had and wanted to keep all ill forces away??

i said bear with me.

but seriously that turtleneck looks odd to me. When penny suggested that perhaps he had been wearing the clothes all day that way, it made me think of that record store pic and his neck.

This one?

yes paul thank you, my eye always goes to the neck in this pic.

nelcp777 said:

PennyPurple said:

I've read somewhere, just in the last few days, that it was on the upper level.

I wonder if he didn't take those when he was dropped off that night on his way in to PP and took the elevator up to his pad & perhaps passed away before he made it up.

Also the clothes that he was described wearing sound like the ones he was wearing at Walgreens. Maybe he didn't change clothes and had them on backwards even when he went out that afternoon/evening.

PennyPurple, thank you. I never heard the elevator level and was curious. It may explain why it took so long to find him? Speculating. Thanks for the information. I also read on here, on of the death invstigation threads that the backward clothing thing was not official and a possible bait by the police for the investigation. Don't quote me on that, so much has been posted it gets hard at times to keep up with it.

It is hard to keep up with.

purplefam99 said:

paulludvig said:

This one?

yes paul thank you, my eye always goes to the neck in this pic.

Maybe the turtleneck looks odd beacuse he was getting so skinny?

paulludvig said:

purplefam99 said:

yes paul thank you, my eye always goes to the neck in this pic.

Maybe the turtleneck looks odd beacuse he was getting so skinny?

maybe so and this pic is a good example of that suggestion.

oh and question, i had heard he had talked to Will Smith the night he died too. Was there

ever any elaboration from Will on that conversation??? i Believe it was Will himself who

said he talked to him. Someone back aways mentioned this and i had wanted to ask more.

[Edited 12/1/17 7:31am]

purplefam99 said:

yes paul thank you, my eye always goes to the neck in this pic.

That might be a scarf, look at his right shoulder, something is on it, and it could be the ends of the scarf.

YES that's the one, thank you Paul!! It is so hard to see the seams of the clothes when someone has black on. The more I try to blow this picture up, the more grainy it gets.

paulludvig said:

laurarichardson said:

purplefam99 said:

i suggested in the chronic pain thread, i think it was, that perhaps why we havent seen any other deaths from the same medication was maybe because the drug was procured from a right to die

Kevorcian supporter, perhaps still illicit but a less sinister contact. I am sure with Princes

means any Dr would "know" of that network or could find out and perhaps "slip the info" to prince if

he so chose to use that avenue. Without a doubt there are dr's who know right to die connections.

A right to die supporter or just something Prince had concocted for himself. Roughly the same combo that killed him is being used in Texas as a death penalty drug.

Look at the Hemlock Society

---

http://www.finalexitnetwork.org/About-Us.html

We have heard nothing about massive amounts of people dying from the combo that killed Prince and I mean the combo not just the Fentenyal.

Even if he was suffering with chronic joint pain he would have still been dealing with illness that was not going to go away Rehab or no Rehab.

[Edited 12/1/17 7:16am]

one of the two.

PennyPurple said:

nelcp777 said:

PennyPurple, thank you. I never heard the elevator level and was curious. It may explain why it took so long to find him? Speculating. Thanks for the information. I also read on here, on of the death invstigation threads that the backward clothing thing was not official and a possible bait by the police for the investigation. Don't quote me on that, so much has been posted it gets hard at times to keep up with it.

It is hard to keep up with.

it is very hard to keep up and i must go right now and watch a "Watch me jump into the leaf pile

show" so thanks to you all right now for bearing with me when i reenter the thread later and try

to catch up. Best!!!

The manager of the Electric Fetus has verified the photo above was not taken the last week before P passed. It was taken several months before. I seem to recall he said February.

purplefam99 said:

ok bear with me, but the picture of him in the record store the last week of his life, the way that

turtle neck looks on his neck has always looked backwards to me. somehow my eye has always

been drawn there whenever i view the picture. and now perhaps it because your right Penny,

he had been wearing backward clothing all week???? maybe that was his prep method, a signal

to others?? knew he was about to cross over or nearly had and wanted to keep all ill forces away??

i said bear with me.

but seriously that turtleneck looks odd to me. When penny suggested that perhaps he had been wearing the clothes all day that way, it made me think of that record store pic and his neck.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The manager of the Electric Fetus has verified the photo above was not taken the last week before P passed. It was taken several months before. I seem to recall he said February.

purplefam99 said:

ok bear with me, but the picture of him in the record store the last week of his life, the way that

turtle neck looks on his neck has always looked backwards to me. somehow my eye has always

been drawn there whenever i view the picture. and now perhaps it because your right Penny,

he had been wearing backward clothing all week???? maybe that was his prep method, a signal

to others?? knew he was about to cross over or nearly had and wanted to keep all ill forces away??

i said bear with me.

but seriously that turtleneck looks odd to me. When penny suggested that perhaps he had been wearing the clothes all day that way, it made me think of that record store pic and his neck.

I remember reading the account of the person who took that picture but I can't find the link and I don't remember the date he mentioned (or if he did). This is from Bob Fuchs @ Electric Fetus. https://www.youtube.com/w...p8VDAk3sxI

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The manager of the Electric Fetus has verified the photo above was not taken the last week before P passed. It was taken several months before. I seem to recall he said February.

Here's the pic with the story.

[Edited 12/1/17 11:00am]

Mumio said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The manager of the Electric Fetus has verified the photo above was not taken the last week before P passed. It was taken several months before. I seem to recall he said February.

Here's the pic with the story.

[Edited 12/1/17 11:00am]

awesome thanks for sharing.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The manager of the Electric Fetus has verified the photo above was not taken the last week before P passed. It was taken several months before. I seem to recall he said February.

purplefam99 said:

ok bear with me, but the picture of him in the record store the last week of his life, the way that

turtle neck looks on his neck has always looked backwards to me. somehow my eye has always

been drawn there whenever i view the picture. and now perhaps it because your right Penny,

he had been wearing backward clothing all week???? maybe that was his prep method, a signal

to others?? knew he was about to cross over or nearly had and wanted to keep all ill forces away??

i said bear with me.

but seriously that turtleneck looks odd to me. When penny suggested that perhaps he had been wearing the clothes all day that way, it made me think of that record store pic and his neck.

ahhh ok thx for clarifing.

That's interesting on the pic of Prince at EF. Many of us thought it was taken just days before he passed.

The "clothes on backwards" comes from Celtic mythology.

https://mythology.stackex...aerie-away

What do you think about Tyka changing her story now and saying that she knew Prince was going to pass away 3-years before? She said in this interview that she had been preparing and buying jewelry for his funeral. Maybe this was already posted/discussed, and I may have missed it.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/t...s-11411709

cloveringold85 said:

What do you think about Tyka changing her story now and saying that she knew Prince was going to pass away 3-years before? She said in this interview that she had been preparing and buying jewelry for his funeral. Maybe this was already posted/discussed, and I may have missed it.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/t...s-11411709

Yes, this had been discussed awhile back. Maybe it will come up if you use the site search?