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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:
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Unless you mention Prince and drugs in the same sentence...Susu1976 said: laurarichardson said:
1) Suboxone was found at Paisley Park. We have no idea were it came from and Prince was not in a facilty on April 20th. He also died from an overdose of painkillers so obvisouly he was not admistered this stuff 8 hours after taking pain killers. I think you are missing the point. He was seeing a doctor who was not a addiction specialist and he was not a patient of Dr. K's in fact Andrew claimed his Dad did not even know about the meds that he brought to Paisley Park.
Whole thing sounds like bad care for his issues.
I think YOU are the one missing the point here. What has April 20th have to do with the buprenorphine? Yes, buprenorphine was found at PP and a little bit of deductive reasoning and application of Occam's razor would conclude that it most likely was brought there by Dr Kornfeld's son. I CLEARLY wrote that buprenorphine will be administered when someone has been into withdrawals for at least eight hrs. Prince was not given it because by the time the son got there, he was dead. Do you not understand that the son is protecting his father as he clearly sent him there or did this addiction specialist's son in California have some magical powers to sense that Prince, a world famous musician, was in dire straits and just flew there unannounced and somehow gained access to PP? From the 911 call nobody claimed there was an intruder there also. They were expecting him. He simply got there too late. As I stated before, Dr. Schulenberg did not have the DEA issued license to prescribe buprenorphine. To try to manage someone who is dependent/addicted to any substance is a nightmare for a doctor and I'm sure he did the best he could with the limitations in place. There is already someone trying to discredit the ME in order to further their narrative of Prince's children with Cat. Because certainly the ME has a reason to lie about Prince's eye color. (*eye roll*) but not derailing this thread to the nonsense over there. Why everything has to be made so convoluted is beyond me. Some things are buzzling and we will never know everything but why purposely make things more complicated than they are? Shit, if the Org is to be believed, you better stay away from Minnesota. The medical professionals there are out to get you for no particular reason and even the ME, DEA, The Sheriff's department and the FBI are in on it. Hey Mumio! Doing well! Hope you are too! — No, go back and read the interview with Andrew in the search warrant. The suboxobe was in Andrew’s bag and Andrew claims he came into town at 6:00am on 4/21 and never had a chance to meet Prince. The suboonxe also was in Andrew’s bag in the office. See reply number 109 according to the search warrant the police found a subonxe pill on the premises this is not the pills that were in Andrew’s bag. Andrew also claims no one knew he had any of the controlled substance with him and that he was not going to administer any of the meds without the direction of EMTs or a doctor ( nuts) the police also tell Andrew that no EMTs or doctors would go along with such a thing. As far as the ME is concerned I have never said anything to discredit her at all and I realize unlike a lot of people she can only put on her report what he actually died from anything else that was going on would be on the long report. [Edited 11/29/17 2:51am] | |
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laurarichardson said:[quote] Susu1976 said: I think YOU are the one missing the point here. What has April 20th have to do with the buprenorphine? Yes, buprenorphine was found at PP and a little bit of deductive reasoning and application of Occam's razor would conclude that it most likely was brought there by Dr Kornfeld's son. I CLEARLY wrote that buprenorphine will be administered when someone has been into withdrawals for at least eight hrs. Prince was not given it because by the time the son got there, he was dead. Do you not understand that the son is protecting his father as he clearly sent him there or did this addiction specialist's son in California have some magical powers to sense that Prince, a world famous musician, was in dire straits and just flew there unannounced and somehow gained access to PP? From the 911 call nobody claimed there was an intruder there also. They were expecting him. He simply got there too late. As I stated before, Dr. Schulenberg did not have the DEA issued license to prescribe buprenorphine. To try to manage someone who is dependent/addicted to any substance is a nightmare for a doctor and I'm sure he did the best he could with the limitations in place. There is already someone trying to discredit the ME in order to further their narrative of Prince's children with Cat. Because certainly the ME has a reason to lie about Prince's eye color. (*eye roll*) but not derailing this thread to the nonsense over there. Why everything has to be made so convoluted is beyond me. Some things are buzzling and we will never know everything but why purposely make things more complicated than they are? Shit, if the Org is to be believed, you better stay away from Minnesota. The medical professionals there are out to get you for no particular reason and even the ME, DEA, The Sheriff's department and the FBI are in on it. Hey Mumio! Doing well! Hope you are too! — No, go back and read the interview with Andrew in the search warrant. The suboxobe was in Andrew’s bag and Andrew claims he came into town at 6:00am on 4/21 and never had a chance to meet Prince. The suboonxe also was in Andrew’s bag in the office. See reply number 109 according to the search warrant the police found a subonxe pill on the premises this is not the pills that were in Andrew’s bag. Andrew also claims no one knew he had any of the controlled substance with him and that he was not going to administer any of the meds without the direction of EMTs or a doctor ( nuts) the police also tell Andrew that no EMTs or doctors would go along with such a thing. As far as the ME is concerned I have never said anything to discredit her at all and I realize unlike a lot of people she can only put on her report what he actually died from anything else that was going on would be on the long report. Also we know Andrew did not break in but we also do not know if Prince knew he was bringing controlled substances with him with a plan to have them administered. Things are not always what they appear to be because this is the same guy who for thirty years had people thinking he was on TV with his butt cheeks hanging out his pants when it was a fake butt. This is a man that made his carreer and life about misdirection yet you want to believe we know all that went on. 😉 | |
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laurarichardson said:[quote] laurarichardson said: Susu1976 said: I think YOU are the one missing the point here. What has April 20th have to do with the buprenorphine? Yes, buprenorphine was found at PP and a little bit of deductive reasoning and application of Occam's razor would conclude that it most likely was brought there by Dr Kornfeld's son. I CLEARLY wrote that buprenorphine will be administered when someone has been into withdrawals for at least eight hrs. Prince was not given it because by the time the son got there, he was dead. Do you not understand that the son is protecting his father as he clearly sent him there or did this addiction specialist's son in California have some magical powers to sense that Prince, a world famous musician, was in dire straits and just flew there unannounced and somehow gained access to PP? From the 911 call nobody claimed there was an intruder there also. They were expecting him. He simply got there too late. As I stated before, Dr. Schulenberg did not have the DEA issued license to prescribe buprenorphine. To try to manage someone who is dependent/addicted to any substance is a nightmare for a doctor and I'm sure he did the best he could with the limitations in place. There is already someone trying to discredit the ME in order to further their narrative of Prince's children with Cat. Because certainly the ME has a reason to lie about Prince's eye color. (*eye roll*) but not derailing this thread to the nonsense over there. Why everything has to be made so convoluted is beyond me. Some things are buzzling and we will never know everything but why purposely make things more complicated than they are? Shit, if the Org is to be believed, you better stay away from Minnesota. The medical professionals there are out to get you for no particular reason and even the ME, DEA, The Sheriff's department and the FBI are in on it. Hey Mumio! Doing well! Hope you are too! — No, go back and read the interview with Andrew in the search warrant. The suboxobe was in Andrew’s bag and Andrew claims he came into town at 6:00am on 4/21 and never had a chance to meet Prince. The suboonxe also was in Andrew’s bag in the office. See reply number 109 according to the search warrant the police found a subonxe pill on the premises this is not the pills that were in Andrew’s bag. Andrew also claims no one knew he had any of the controlled substance with him and that he was not going to administer any of the meds without the direction of EMTs or a doctor ( nuts) the police also tell Andrew that no EMTs or doctors would go along with such a thing. As far as the ME is concerned I have never said anything to discredit her at all and I realize unlike a lot of people she can only put on her report what he actually died from anything else that was going on would be on the long report. Also we know Andrew did not break in but we also do not know if Prince knew he was bringing controlled substances with him with a plan to have them administered. Things are not always what they appear to be because this is the same guy who for thirty years had people thinking he was on TV with his butt cheeks hanging out his pants when it was a fake butt. This is a man that made his carreer and life about misdirection yet you want to believe we know all that went on. 😉 Well, either Andrew Kornfeld is heavily addicted to buprenorphine and just flies across state lines with a shit load of it in his back pack without a prescription for it or he brought it there for another reason. And no chance that one lone buprenorphine pill didn't come from him also but was out of the bag at the time the cops cleared the scene? I never said you YOU tried to discredit the ME. It's another poster ( a certifiably obsessed one I might add) another thread and and another topic entirely. I just used it as an example of how many seem to be eager to discredit consummate medical professionals to further their own narratives and obsessions. I was not referring to you. We have not read ALl interviews conducted by law enforcement with Andrew Kornfeld. With 100% he has been interviewed by the police again and also by the DEA and possibly even the FBI since he brought a controlled substance across state lines. All we have is the initial/preliminary questioning by the police which was vague at best. They always are because of the chaotic nature of the situation and a million things going at once. | |
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None of the search warrants specify suboxone was found in Ps belongings. It said one orange pill with inscription #8. Suboxone 8mg has the inscription "N8" Ondanestron 8 mg has an "8" inscripted on it.
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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said: None of the search warrants specify suboxone was found in Ps belongings. It said one orange pill with inscription #8. Suboxone 8mg has the inscription "N8" Ondanestron 8 mg has an "8" inscripted on it.
That is what I understood too. I thought Andrew was the only one who had brought that medication. And I thought it was only one dose that Andrew brought. Where is it coming from that P had one dose in his stuff? | |
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Once again this came up back in Reply 109. I did not say it was Suboxone the poster did. What is the orange pill with the number 8 or it? Might the N in "N8" stand for "Number"?
We know from the Andrew warrant he had Suboxone in his bag. It was not stated that it was outside of his bag and he was with Kirk when he came in until Kirk found Prince who had already been dead so Prince did not get Suboxone from Andrew. The Suboxone may not have been in Prince's belonging but they were found on the premises.
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Andrew brought controlled substances across state lines which he is not authorized to give to anyone. I do not care if he was trying to help or covering for his father. He broke the law and more in likely would have probaly killed Prince on the spot since he would have had no idea what substances Prince had taken the night before.
That is some privalilage that he has that he is not in handcuffs. That is the only real important point.
Take a look at the drugs that Suboxone does not go well with. Several on highlighted in red on the website that Prince was prescribed by Dr. S. There are also several health issues that will be worsen by taking Subxone. -------
https://www.drugs.com/drug-interactions/buprenorphine-naloxone,suboxone.html
Common medications checked in combination with Suboxone (buprenorphine / naloxone)
Suboxone (buprenorphine / naloxone) alcohol/food Intera
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The suboxone that was in Andrew Kornfield's bag was was never administered to Prince anyway. Silly to blame him. The world's problems like climate change can only be solved through strategic long-term thinking, not expediency. In other words all the govts. need sacking!
If you can add value to someone's life then why not. Especially if it colors their days... | |
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The world's problems like climate change can only be solved through strategic long-term thinking, not expediency. In other words all the govts. need sacking!
If you can add value to someone's life then why not. Especially if it colors their days... | |
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I am not blaming him. I am stating he broke the law and would have killed Prince if he had admin those drugs to him.
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morningsong said:
Morning, both those links are to the exact same documents and they both indicate premises. | |
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No, it cannot be. You have no proof or knowledge of any ording over the internet. If you want to be believe the man who had his underware customer made was buying drugs from some random person on the net then go ahead. I would like to sell you the Brooklyn brigde.
Also him buying something over the internet would not prevent the police from closing the case of a simple overdose. People overdose all the time and the police do not keep looking for the dealers.
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I believe one of the docs states Andrew had Suboxone in his bag and it was also found on the premise.
Does anyone wonder were the Suboxone found on the premises came from? | |
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Who said suboxone was found on the premises other than in Andrew's bag? | |
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The world's problems like climate change can only be solved through strategic long-term thinking, not expediency. In other words all the govts. need sacking!
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The only suboxone was in Andrew's bag. It wasn't found on the premises, that I've ever heard. | |
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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:
Who said suboxone was found on the premises other than in Andrew's bag? I thought I was on this thread????? I was mightly confused by it. Cause I thought it was just Andrew who had it. It was stated a ways back like P had it a a weaning med. I'm almost positive it is this thread but back at the beginning. | |
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The point is mute. Andrew never administered it to anybody.
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morningsong said:
Thx!!! | |
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laurarichardson said:
Andrew brought controlled substances across state lines which he is not authorized to give to anyone. I do not care if he was trying to help or covering for his father. He broke the law and more in likely would have probaly killed Prince on the spot since he would have had no idea what substances Prince had taken the night before.
That is some privalilage that he has that he is not in handcuffs. That is the only real important point.
Take a look at the drugs that Suboxone does not go well with. Several on highlighted in red on the website that Prince was prescribed by Dr. S. There are also several health issues that will be worsen by taking Subxone. -----
https://www.drugs.com/drug-interactions/buprenorphine-naloxone,suboxone.html
Common medications checked in combination with Suboxone (buprenorphine / naloxone)
Suboxone (buprenorphine / naloxone) alcohol/food Intera
[Edited 11/29/17 11:06am] First of all, do NOT try to lecture me on pharmacology. I know with 100% certainty I know more about it than you do. I deal with it on daily basis. You on the other hand go on Google and copy things. HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I NEED TO SAY SUBXONE IS NOT ADMINISTERD UNTIL AT LEAST 8 HRS AFTER THE PERSON LAST TOOK OPIOIDS IN ANY FORM?!? Does it not compute to you why that might be the case?!? It is so they the person no longer has other opioids in his or her system and therefore avoiding an overdose. Also to avoid overdose naloxone is added to Suboxone in addition to buprenorphine. You are suggesting that A Kornfeld went to PP essentially to give Prince a fatal dose of opiates. Give me a motive as to why. If you can't, you need to take several seats and stfu.And now that we're talking privilege, what's Kirk Johnson's excuse for not sitting in jail right now? He allegedly provided Prince with controlled substances under his own name. That's a federal crime. If you're going to start pointing fingers then point them at all who might have been involved, not just the ones that fit into your conspiracy theory bs. I'm done trying to talk sense to you. I have zero tolerance for people who can't see facts unless they fit their opinions and own narratives. Happy Holidays. | |
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laurarichardson said:
Andrew brought controlled substances across state lines which he is not authorized to give to anyone. I do not care if he was trying to help or covering for his father. He broke the law and more in likely would have probaly killed Prince on the spot since he would have had no idea what substances Prince had taken the night before. That is some privalilage that he has that he is not in handcuffs. That is the only real important point. The bolded is quite the inflammatory statement. I believe AK would have had an understanding of the withdrawal process. After all, he had a very educated source from which to consult with. The following discrepancies in your previous posts show you do not know any more than any member on this forum: Reply #672 YOU stated the following regarding the Suboxone found - "Since Dr. S prescribed meds to Prince under Kirk's name it stands the reason that he might have prescribed suboxone or some other doctor did. I doubt Prince just started getting meds and medical attention under assumed an name in 2016". Reply #680 YOU further asserted this - "1) Suboxone was found at Paisley Park. We have no idea were it came from and Prince was not in a facilty on April 20th." It appears your opinion changed after reading the following in Reply #687 by Susu1976 - "I think YOU are the one missing the point here. What has April 20th have to do with the buprenorphine? Yes, buprenorphine was found at PP and a little bit of deductive reasoning and application of Occam's razor would conclude that it most likely was brought there by Dr Kornfeld's son", and Reply #689 by PennyPurple - "Wasn't the Suboxone in Andrew K's bag, that he brought into PP?". You proceed to advise Susu1976 in Reply #693 to do the following - "No, go back and read the interview with Andrew in the search warrant. The suboxobe was in Andrew’s bag". Something YOU were apparently unwilling to do before sharing an opinion. Btw, if anyone cares to read the specific search warrant, go here - http://www.mncourts.gov/I...ers-Nelson - and read the May 6, 2016 search warrant (second of three). Page 6 (of 9 if I remember correctly), paragraph 3 of the warrant begins as follows: "Andrew disclosed he had some pills with him. He told your Affiant he had some buprenorphine (sp?). He told your Affiant the drug is used for opiate addicts.". "Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann | |
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purplefam99 said: morningsong said:
Thx!!! So looking at the 2nd document that list the contents of Andrews bag, what are the other drugs, are those withdrawal meds too? I suppose the suppositories were for nausea. And which entry is the suboxone? [Edited 11/29/17 11:51am] | |
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Susu1976 said: laurarichardson said:
Andrew brought controlled substances across state lines which he is not authorized to give to anyone. I do not care if he was trying to help or covering for his father. He broke the law and more in likely would have probaly killed Prince on the spot since he would have had no idea what substances Prince had taken the night before.
That is some privalilage that he has that he is not in handcuffs. That is the only real important point.
Take a look at the drugs that Suboxone does not go well with. Several on highlighted in red on the website that Prince was prescribed by Dr. S. There are also several health issues that will be worsen by taking Subxone. -----
https://www.drugs.com/drug-interactions/buprenorphine-naloxone,suboxone.html
Common medications checked in combination with Suboxone (buprenorphine / naloxone)
Suboxone (buprenorphine / naloxone) alcohol/food Intera
[Edited 11/29/17 11:06am] First of all, do NOT try to lecture me on pharmacology. I know with 100% certainty I know more about it than you do. I deal with it on daily basis. You on the other hand go on Google and copy things. HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I NEED TO SAY SUBXONE IS NOT ADMINISTERD UNTIL AT LEAST 8 HRS AFTER THE PERSON LAST TOOK OPIOIDS IN ANY FORM?!? Does it not compute to you why that might be the case?!? It is so they the person no longer has other opioids in his or her system and therefore avoiding an overdose. Also to avoid overdose naloxone is added to Suboxone in addition to buprenorphine. You are suggesting that A Kornfeld went to PP essentially to give Prince a fatal dose of opiates. Give me a motive as to why. If you can't, you need to take several seats and stfu.And now that we're talking privilege, what's Kirk Johnson's excuse for not sitting in jail right now? He allegedly provided Prince with controlled substances under his own name. That's a federal crime. If you're going to start pointing fingers then point them at all who might have been involved, not just the ones that fit into your conspiracy theory bs. I'm done trying to talk sense to you. I have zero tolerance for people who can't see facts unless they fit their opinions and own narratives. Happy Holidays. I thought suboxone was like narcan. And given to block opiates if it is like narcan why would you wait 8 hrs to give an antidote? Thx trying to understand here. | |
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laurarichardson said: NotACleverName said: ....drops to knees and fervently prays. —How did those prayers work out for you? Not too well. Hope springs eternal. I also know that you are your own worst enemy and one day, this will be your undoing. "Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann | |
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