rogifan said:

rogifan said:

Why are people so bound and determined to have Prince dying of AIDS?

Because they want to add to the stigma. Because they want to make him look bad for his 80s lifestyle since they got nothing on him scandal wise and they are part of the problem with viewing Aids as a shameful disease. Because they are the gutter press.

this is where i don't think the secrecy helps things. You know, they have a saying "we're only as sick as our secrets" i know prince liked privacy but it would probably be better just to have more info. Most likely though, as others are saying, it was just simply a case of addiction.

PeteSilas said:

jumanji2016 said:

PeteSilas said:

because it's titillating and gossip worthy. As for me, i'd honestly prefer cancer or aids, or a heart attack or anyting other than just od'ing, i always thought he was above that.

The stigma of OD'ing is what kills me about the media. This guy accomplished so much musically---and did so many great things for people outside of that. I read an article where different musicans were saying that he gave them a job, free recording time, paid their rent, invited them to go on tour to make money when they were about to file bankruptcy, etc. Or the time he hand-delivered millions to the victims' families of the Minneapolis bridge collapse back in 2008..and so much more. Nothing can tarnish a legacy like that. As long as we're still on Earth, we are all susceptible to dying from the things that we and everyone else look down on. He went to the doctor, he was exercising, he scheduled an appointment to get help. He did the best he could...just not in time.

Yes, this really get me as well. The whole "yet another rockstar falls prey to drugs" stance really pisses me off. Just the other day i was at the haidresser and this guy was having his hair cut and spewing all this shit about how Prince was an addict wo did recreational drugs for many years, and he was stating it with such confidence... Everyone is an expert nowadays.

MMJas said:

jumanji2016 said:

MMJas said:

Yes, this really get me as well. The whole "yet another rockstar falls prey to drugs" stance really pisses me off. Just the other day i was at the haidresser and this guy was having his hair cut and spewing all this shit about how Prince was an addict wo did recreational drugs for many years, and he was stating it with such confidence... Everyone is an expert nowadays.

Shit like that really grinds my gears. Half of the time, people don't even know what is going on with their own damn bodies, but they know what a private stranger that they've never seen in concert is ingesting for recreation. It'd been different if there was footage of him like there was of Amy to substantiate an issue. Through all of the great deal of video footage, new stories, anecdotes from friends, or photos that I've seen of Prince (dating from years before and now after his death)---I've never once seen or heard anything to validate the notion that P took recreational drugs. Everyone has been like, "Prince didn't play that shit." Like, why would thousands of people feel compelled to lie about his true character for 40 years? Doesn't even make any sense.

Exactly. Everybody seems determined to say he led a clean life.
I hope that when the criminal investigation is over his family decides to make some sort of statement regarding all these rumours.

Hi everybody! I want to share my take on this because we are ALL in mourning, someway, somehow. The last and final fact is, Prince is PHYSICALLY gone from us. The emotional and spiritual aspect is, he is not! Will we ever get to a point that we just celebrate what his life meant to US? I'm personally done with all the speculations of how he 'left' us. I'm ready to share the good, beautiful, and exciting things that he shared with us WITH OTHERS, our next generations!!! Is ANYBODY willing to do that?

PLEASE let us get out of the elevator!!!

[Edited 6/10/16 16:49pm]

jumanji2016 said:

rogifan said:

Why are people so bound and determined to have Prince dying of AIDS?

...because people ain't shit. I think it serves as some psychological resolve to some sick-minded people who get a kick out of believing that his care-free spirit in life, lust, and love indeed came with some sort of "damnation" in the form of AIDS. [Edited 6/10/16 16:44pm]

To be honest, Prince dying from AIDS makes more sense than him dying from a drug overdose, because everyone knows that he had tons of women that he messed around with, and could have very well caught a disease from any one of them, rather than die of a drug overdose, since many believed and have said that he never did drugs, and never tolerated anyone to do them around him. Which one is more believable? What I don't understand is why some are so bound and determined to believe that he couldn't possibly die of AIDS? It's 2016, and people are still acting like........"my God, anything but AIDS"!!! Well, him dying from an overdose of drugs is no better! Some people don't think any better of him, from dying by an overdose! You can go on any article that talks about his death, and you will read awful comments about him still, calling him a hypocrite, drug addict, druggie, etc, just the same. Do you honestly think that one is better than to other to some or that it will make them see him in a different light? NO, because there are always those that will talk about him in a negative light no matter how he died.

1contessa said:

Marta said:

PeteSilas said:

^^@jumanji.....None of us knows what tributed to his death, other than the cause given to us by a state and people trying to preserve his legacy, and protect a man that they now know was a huge star that's from the state of Minnesota. Maybe it's just me, but frankly and honestly, I don't think that the state of Minnesota ever acknowledge Prince for the talent and star he was, that is until they saw for themselves upon his death, what an impact he made upon the world, and saw from other places, even those far away, how much he was loved and meant to people in the world. Now, all of a sudden, Minnesota wants to make him their golden boy! Prince always loved Minnesota, and he always made that known, but truthfully, I don't think that the state of Minnesota ever showed him the love that he showed them, that is until now.

[Edited 6/10/16 18:07pm]

Tresha68 said:

Marta said:

I, for one am sick and tired of reading about Schulenberg as if he was wondrous and walked on water or something. This guy could practice family medicine, but specialized in Obstetrics..for pete's sake. If a guy is going to go to a doctor, most wouldn't choose one who advertised himself more as an Obstetrician than a GP. The whole thing is suspect. He had seen Prince exactly twice; April 7the and April 20th. The last one being the day before he died. After Prince's first visit he wrote; as he reported to the authorities (..after they finally tracked him down..) numerous prescriptions. The ones that were filled at that Walgreens. (Verified by the Centers staff.) Right after he spoke with the authorities this guy was let go from the medical center and has now vanished. They still haven't been able to find him for follow-up questions. What legitimate, responsible, ethical physician does that? The centr administration refuse to disclose why he'said no longrr there. This guy was not a good guy. And I suspect he's done something very wrong. (Like, perhaps, gave Prince fentanyl during that office visit on the 20th.) The Cali doctor had been contacted to help Prince with the opiate addiction. This is a guy Prince went to see for what's been labeled by investigators and medical staff as "other health issues". The two different physicians were contacted to address two different issues. Michael T. Schulenberg, upon seeing Prince on the second visit ran a bunch of diagnostic tests (logical as Prince was a new patient for him). I'm sure on that first visit he gave him the initial cursory exam and scheduled the second more thorough exam and testing. A testament as to the seriousness this health crisis is the fact that he got him in for that 2nd visit within the same week. If anyone has been to a doctor recently, you likely know how unlikely it is for that to happen. You're really lucky if you can be scheduled in for early the following month. He showed up at Prince's house with the results because he saw something very dire...and urgent. The one and only time that my doctor even personally called me, was to tell me I needed immediate surgery and to get to the hospital asap. Something was very, very wrong ..aids..cancer ....something else just as terrible? ..Don't know. And with all of this ridiculous secrecy, those of us who absolutely adored the man may never know. It's very clear, for me anyway, that something..aside from the opiate issue..was horribly wrong. Due to Minnesota law though, we won't know anything for at least 30 years. ..Unless a family member publicized something. And just who all of those family members are is still being worked out. [Edited 6/9/16 21:38pm] [Edited 6/9/16 21:40pm] [Edited 6/9/16 21:40pm]

I agree with you 100% Marta. And yes, if it was AIDS you do need monitoring. Someone stated he didn't need tested again. I think if it was AIDS he had Kaposi Sarcoma. That would explain the turtle necks, gloves and the digestive/abdominal issues. And guess what, if he did have AIDS I feel no differently about him. People need to educate themselves. The '90-'00 generation seem to think it is a disease of homosexuality. NOT THE CASE AT ALL. He was ill. I do think he was addicted to opiods, not to get high, but because his body actually needed them to function.

[Edited 6/10/16 7:50am]

And that's exactly what I'm trying to say, just what you did........that if he did have AIDS, that I would feel no differently about him either! You would think that in 2016, AIDS wouldn't still carry that stigma from the 80's and 90's, or whatever, but as you can see by the reaction of some who seem to get pissed off with the mere mention of it, that it still does. It's obvious that Prince had an underlying illness, you could see it all over him, with the changes in his weight and looks, and it was developing rapidly. I have no doubt that Prince knew that he was seriously ill, and not just with drugs either. We all know that there's more to this story than just Prince dying from an overdose.

1contessa said:

MMJas said:

jumanji2016 said:

PeteSilas said: The stigma of OD'ing is what kills me about the media. This guy accomplished so much musically---and did so many great things for people outside of that. I read an article where different musicans were saying that he gave them a job, free recording time, paid their rent, invited them to go on tour to make money when they were about to file bankruptcy, etc. Or the time he hand-delivered millions to the victims' families of the Minneapolis bridge collapse back in 2008..and so much more. Nothing can tarnish a legacy like that. As long as we're still on Earth, we are all susceptible to dying from the things that we and everyone else look down on. He went to the doctor, he was exercising, he scheduled an appointment to get help. He did the best he could...just not in time.

Yes, this really get me as well. The whole "yet another rockstar falls prey to drugs" stance really pisses me off. Just the other day i was at the haidresser and this guy was having his hair cut and spewing all this shit about how Prince was an addict wo did recreational drugs for many years, and he was stating it with such confidence... Everyone is an expert nowadays.

all i can say is that I fucking hate drugs, just hate them, I know it's not how everyone else feels but I'd rather he died from something terminal. Now people will always be able to say the vile crap they did about Elvis and MJ when, more than likely, he was not quite like them. I wish I could strangle the fuck who started him on that shit.

PeteSilas said:

Eileen said:

jumanji2016 said:

PeteSilas said:

PeteSilas said:

jumanji2016 said:

I'm sick of the hype of Princes' death being drug related.

I just watched this Dr. Drew thing about how easy it is to hide using fentanyl.

https://youtu.be/DTUNuUzdrts

It doesn't really matter what he died of to me. But apparently there are A LOT of deaths associated with fentanyl. Maybe this kind of attention will get someone help before it's too late for their loved ones.

jumanji2016 said:

1contessa said:

^^@jumanji.....None of us knows what tributed to his death, other than the cause given to us by a state and people trying to preserve his legacy, and protect a man that they now know was a huge star that's from the state of Minnesota. Maybe it's just me, but frankly and honestly, I don't think that the state of Minnesota ever acknowledge Prince for the talent and star he was, that is until they saw for themselves upon his death, what an impact he made upon the world, and saw from other places, even those far away, how much he was loved and meant to people in the world. Now, all of a sudden, Minnesota wants to make him their golden boy! Prince always loved Minnesota, and he always made that known, but truthfully, I don't think that the state of Minnesota ever showed him the love that he showed them, that is until now.

[Edited 6/10/16 18:07pm]

Yeah, I definitely think there should have been a Prince Day loooong before his 57 years was up.

Being from Mn. I feel I should say something.

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While I don't know if he was offered any "Prince Day's" or streets named after him in Mpls., etc. prior to his death I feel certain that if he was offered such fanfare he would have turned it down, as he twice did with the walk of fame star http://theurbandaily.com/...ame-twice/

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Prince was VERY respected here and had a huge fan base, both at the beginning and in the end.

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I don't think you would find any place that would allow Prince to carry on a somewhat normal existance (riding his bike around, going to wrecka stows, etc.) like he did in Mn. Everyone just knew to leave him alone. So please don't think we didn't know what he had. We did, and do.

[Edited 6/10/16 20:50pm]

Marta said:

I, for one am sick and tired of reading about Schulenberg as if he was wondrous and walked on water or something. This guy could practice family medicine, but specialized in Obstetrics..for pete's sake. If a guy is going to go to a doctor, most wouldn't choose one who advertised himself more as an Obstetrician than a GP. The whole thing is suspect. He had seen Prince exactly twice; April 7the and April 20th. The last one being the day before he died. After Prince's first visit he wrote; as he reported to the authorities (..after they finally tracked him down..) numerous prescriptions. The ones that were filled at that Walgreens. (Verified by the Centers staff.) Right after he spoke with the authorities this guy was let go from the medical center and has now vanished. They still haven't been able to find him for follow-up questions. What legitimate, responsible, ethical physician does that? The centr administration refuse to disclose why he'said no longrr there. This guy was not a good guy. And I suspect he's done something very wrong. (Like, perhaps, gave Prince fentanyl during that office visit on the 20th.) The Cali doctor had been contacted to help Prince with the opiate addiction. This is a guy Prince went to see for what's been labeled by investigators and medical staff as "other health issues". The two different physicians were contacted to address two different issues. Michael T. Schulenberg, upon seeing Prince on the second visit ran a bunch of diagnostic tests (logical as Prince was a new patient for him). I'm sure on that first visit he gave him the initial cursory exam and scheduled the second more thorough exam and testing. A testament as to the seriousness this health crisis is the fact that he got him in for that 2nd visit within the same week. If anyone has been to a doctor recently, you likely know how unlikely it is for that to happen. You're really lucky if you can be scheduled in for early the following month. He showed up at Prince's house with the results because he saw something very dire...and urgent. The one and only time that my doctor even personally called me, was to tell me I needed immediate surgery and to get to the hospital asap. Something was very, very wrong ..aids..cancer ....something else just as terrible? ..Don't know. And with all of this ridiculous secrecy, those of us who absolutely adored the man may never know. It's very clear, for me anyway, that something..aside from the opiate issue..was horribly wrong. Due to Minnesota law though, we won't know anything for at least 30 years. ..Unless a family member publicized something. And just who all of those family members are is still being worked out. [Edited 6/9/16 21:38pm] [Edited 6/9/16 21:40pm] [Edited 6/9/16 21:40pm]

Marta, respectfully, it's been reported that he was indeed seeing that local doctor for withdrawal symptoms from opioid addiction. Sure, he could have been treating him for something else, but the reports are leaving it simply as Schulenberg treating Prince for his concerns about opiate withdrawal. I tend to think that was the extent of it also. From article on June 3rd:

"The day before he was found dead, Prince was treated by a Twin Cities doctor for withdrawal symptoms from opioid addiction. The physician, Dr. Michael Todd Schulenberg, a family practitioner, treated Prince for fatigue, anemia and concerns about opiate withdrawal.

Schulenberg did not prescribe opioids to Prince, a source has said.

The doctor gave a statement to a Carver County detective shortly after Prince's death, but has had no further questions from investigators, his attorney, Amy Conners, said Thursday."

Reference: http://www.startribune.co...381663221/

As far as any testing or prescriptions he gave Prince, he was probably giving him meds for treatment of the various symptoms he was experiencing as well as testing in correlation to the symptoms as well. The opiate withdrawal symptoms list is quite extensive. And yes, what was going on was serious and apparently beyond what the local doctor could handle hence they called the California doctor.

Also mentioned here in an article from May 21:

"A Twin Cities physician had been treating Prince in the weeks before he died for withdrawal symptoms from opioid addiction. Autopsy and toxicology results are pending."

Reference:

http://www.startribune.co...380338131/

jumanji2016 said:

PeteSilas said:

all i can say is that I fucking hate drugs, just hate them, I know it's not how everyone else feels but I'd rather he died from something terminal. Now people will always be able to say the vile crap they did about Elvis and MJ when, more than likely, he was not quite like them. I wish I could strangle the fuck who started him on that shit.

I feel you, man. I read this thread and I start analyzing things and then I think back to Lianne La Havas' speaking part on "Clouds". "Mr. Nelson, Mr. Nelson, can you hear my voice? Sir, we know you're a little bit groggy And you're probably going to find it hard to speak But don't try to talk or process too much now We just want to let you know that the medication you were given Has put you in a suspended animation for quite some time Well, in fact, about 45 years But where you are now Is a place that doesn't require time That being said, you are completely safe And we are here to help you" Prince basically told us his cause of death two years ago and that he would be fine in the afterworld.

definitely sounded like he was dabbling in the spiritual, no doubt. I don't get the 45 year reference though.

jumanji2016 said:

1contessa said:

To be honest, Prince dying from AIDS makes more sense than him dying from a drug overdose, because everyone knows that he had tons of women that he messed around with, and could have very well caught a disease from any one of them, rather than die of a drug overdose, since many believed and have said that he never did drugs, and never tolerated anyone to do them around him. Which one is more believable? What I don't understand is why some are so bound and determined to believe that he couldn't possibly die of AIDS? It's 2016, and people are still acting like........"my God, anything but AIDS"!!! Well, him dying from an overdose of drugs is no better! Some people don't think any better of him, from dying by an overdose! You can go on any article that talks about his death, and you will read awful comments about him still, calling him a hypocrite, drug addict, druggie, etc, just the same. Do you honestly think that one is better than to other to some or that it will make them see him in a different light? NO, because there are always those that will talk about him in a negative light no matter how he died.

It's not about the nobility of the cause of death...it's about substantiating the validity of certain claims. Him dying from an overdose is substantiated by the plane landing and the autopsy release. Him dying from AIDS is substantied by GOSSIP. Out of the hundreds of women that he had in his life time that we know of...none of them seem to have or have come forward as having the virus.

to me, there is a level of sheer stupidity in dying from drugs, with all the people who've done it in the past and all the warnings out there. It's very avoidable, i'd prefer he had something like cancer, out of his control. But I ain't god.

also, the experts say it's very difficult for hiv to be transmitted from woman to man, very difficult. That's why some of the cases like boxer Tommy Morrison, eazy-e and magic johnson had people questioning their sexualities. everything we know about hiv says that the only way to get hiv from woman to man is by blood transmission and that unless the man has an open sore it's nearly impossible. I don't think we know the whole truth about hiv/aids though. I can't see, unless a man has sex with 100,000 women a man having an easy time getting the virus. First of all, it's not that common to begin with, maybe 1 out of 250 people have it, then you add in all the other variables. I could see some of these people just being in the closet easier than i could them having sex with a couple thousand women and getting it. And no, I don't think we can draw any conclusions of AIDS in Prince's case without any proof, that's just hysteria.

Marta said:

Eileen said:

I've read their coverage and don't find a match to items that you cite. However people are free to say what they wish.

I'm sorry, but apparently you haven't read..all..of the coverage. I've found a lot by diligently searching. For the doctor ..and using different combinations w/Prince. Alright, I'll give you this link; but I'm not going back to find all the others. (I'm on my mobile device; so I believe you can see this by my placing www in place of mobile.) http://www.nytimes.com/20...-dead.html

Thank you.

You wrote a passionate piece stating that Shulenberg was widely praised, and citing a whole bunch of facts as to why you considered his behavior shady and probably at fault and evidence of Prince's dire disease. I pointed out specifically those facts that either seemed incorrect, or that I had not heard about. They still aren't supported by that article nor others I re-read or the search warrant.

- that Shulenberg has been presented "as if he was wondrous and walked on water"
- that he didn't talk with authorities until "after they finally tracked him down"
- that upon his first visit with Prince on April 7th he "wrote numerous prescriptions"
- that we know he was "let go" from his job and "has now vanished"
- that authorities "have follow-up questions" for Schulenberg
- that authorities "still haven't been able to find him" to ask those additional questions
- that at his second visit with Prince on April 20th he "ran a bunch of diagnostic tests"

It may turn out in the end that Schulenberg did something terribly wrong; I don't know, flat out do not know. And I'm very much interested, just as you are, so would rather not miss important information either. It sounds like we'll each keep reading as more is disclosed.

Some people just want it to be more than what it is. Prince wasn't a JUNKIE. He died from an overdose that could have been giving to him directly from his doctor. I almost died last year the same way. I had a major surgery and the pain meds slowed my breathing almost to the point where I couldn't. Doctors were telling me that it was safe and I was like HELL NO!!! Last time you guys gave that to me it was hard for me to breath and I was afraid to sleep. Prince couldn't breath, got on the elevator to try and get help. Fell a sleep and died. It's really that simple.

He didn't feel a thing trust me...

We'll always love you Prince!!! You've been like a father, uncle and a brother to all of us. Love you for that!!!

Eileen said:

Marta said:

Eileen said: I'm sorry, but apparently you haven't read..all..of the coverage. I've found a lot by diligently searching. For the doctor ..and using different combinations w/Prince. Alright, I'll give you this link; but I'm not going back to find all the others. (I'm on my mobile device; so I believe you can see this by my placing www in place of mobile.) http://www.nytimes.com/20...-dead.html

Thank you.

You wrote a passionate piece stating that Shulenberg was widely praised, and citing a whole bunch of facts as to why you considered his behavior shady and probably at fault and evidence of Prince's dire disease. I pointed out specifically those facts that either seemed incorrect, or that I had not heard about. They still aren't supported by that article nor others I re-read or the search warrant.

- that Shulenberg has been presented "as if he was wondrous and walked on water"
- that he didn't talk with authorities until "after they finally tracked him down"
- that upon his first visit with Prince on April 7th he "wrote numerous prescriptions"
- that we know he was "let go" from his job and "has now vanished"
- that authorities "have follow-up questions" for Schulenberg
- that authorities "still haven't been able to find him" to ask those additional questions
- that at his second visit with Prince on April 20th he "ran a bunch of diagnostic tests"

It may turn out in the end that Schulenberg did something terribly wrong; I don't know, flat out do not know. And I'm very much interested, just as you are, so would rather not miss important information either. It sounds like we'll each keep reading as more is disclosed.

that's guilty behavior if there ever was guilty behavior. fucking doctors, just people but that's why they need to follow some rules.