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Reply #600 posted 06/09/16 8:28pm

TopazGirl

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bigtimefan said:

Same day as the much discussed photo. With a smile and different angle he looks much better. I think we were accustomed to the edited images of Prince and these got by the edits I guess.


Yeah, I agree he does look much better. There's other photos of this event (American Music Awards) where he looked better too. I watched the video of it and interestingly, when he's moving around and talking on stage, I wouldn't consider he looked bad at all. It's the still shots that capture the drawn look of his face more. You are right too, he put out mostly edited photos so to see him unedited makes a difference. When I look at this pic, I just wanna hug him. sad

Here's the video if anyone wants to watch it: https://www.youtube.com/w...p5HgcwXfZs

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Reply #601 posted 06/09/16 9:22pm

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I, for one am sick and tired of reading about Schulenberg as if he was wondrous and walked on water or something. This guy could practice family medicine, but specialized in Obstetrics..for pete's sake. If a guy is going to go to a doctor, most wouldn't choose one who advertised himself more as an Obstetrician than a GP. The whole thing is suspect. He had seen Prince exactly twice; April 7the and April 20th. The last one being the day before he died. After Prince's first visit he wrote; as he reported to the authorities (..after they finally tracked him down..) numerous prescriptions. The ones that were filled at that Walgreens. (Verified by the Centers staff.) Right after he spoke with the authorities this guy was let go from the medical center and has now vanished. They still haven't been able to find him for follow-up questions. What legitimate, responsible, ethical physician does that? The centr administration refuse to disclose why he'said no longrr there. This guy was not a good guy. And I suspect he's done something very wrong. (Like, perhaps, gave Prince fentanyl during that office visit on the 20th.)

The Cali doctor had been contacted to help Prince with the opiate addiction. This is a guy Prince went to see for what's been labeled by investigators and medical staff as "other health issues".

The two different physicians were contacted to address two different issues. Michael T. Schulenberg, upon seeing Prince on the second visit ran a bunch of diagnostic tests (logical as Prince was a new patient for him).
I'm sure on that first visit he gave him the initial cursory exam and scheduled the second more thorough exam and testing. A testament as to the seriousness this health crisis is the fact that he got him in for that 2nd visit within the same week. If anyone has been to a doctor recently, you likely know how unlikely it is for that to happen. You're really lucky if you can be scheduled in for early the following month.

He showed up at Prince's house with the results because he saw something very dire...and urgent. The one and only time that my doctor even personally called me, was to tell me I needed immediate surgery and to get to the hospital asap.

Something was very, very wrong ..aids..cancer ....something else just as terrible? ..Don't know. And with all of this ridiculous secrecy, those of us who absolutely adored the man may never know. It's very clear, for me anyway, that something..aside from the opiate issue..was horribly wrong.

Due to Minnesota law though, we won't know anything for at least 30 years. ..Unless a family member publicized something. And just who all of those family members are is still being worked out.
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Reply #602 posted 06/09/16 11:50pm

Rebeljuice

Marta said:

I, for one am sick and tired of reading about Schulenberg as if he was wondrous and walked on water or something. This guy could practice family medicine, but specialized in Obstetrics..for pete's sake. If a guy is going to go to a doctor, most wouldn't choose one who advertised himself more as an Obstetrician than a GP. The whole thing is suspect. He had seen Prince exactly twice; April 7the and April 20th. The last one being the day before he died. After Prince's first visit he wrote; as he reported to the authorities (..after they finally tracked him down..) numerous prescriptions. The ones that were filled at that Walgreens. (Verified by the Centers staff.) Right after he spoke with the authorities this guy was let go from the medical center and has now vanished. They still haven't been able to find him for follow-up questions. What legitimate, responsible, ethical physician does that? The centr administration refuse to disclose why he'said no longrr there. This guy was not a good guy. And I suspect he's done something very wrong. (Like, perhaps, gave Prince fentanyl during that office visit on the 20th.) The Cali doctor had been contacted to help Prince with the opiate addiction. This is a guy Prince went to see for what's been labeled by investigators and medical staff as "other health issues". The two different physicians were contacted to address two different issues. Michael T. Schulenberg, upon seeing Prince on the second visit ran a bunch of diagnostic tests (logical as Prince was a new patient for him). I'm sure on that first visit he gave him the initial cursory exam and scheduled the second more thorough exam and testing. A testament as to the seriousness this health crisis is the fact that he got him in for that 2nd visit within the same week. If anyone has been to a doctor recently, you likely know how unlikely it is for that to happen. You're really lucky if you can be scheduled in for early the following month. He showed up at Prince's house with the results because he saw something very dire...and urgent. The one and only time that my doctor even personally called me, was to tell me I needed immediate surgery and to get to the hospital asap. Something was very, very wrong ..aids..cancer ....something else just as terrible? ..Don't know. And with all of this ridiculous secrecy, those of us who absolutely adored the man may never know. It's very clear, for me anyway, that something..aside from the opiate issue..was horribly wrong. Due to Minnesota law though, we won't know anything for at least 30 years. ..Unless a family member publicized something. And just who all of those family members are is still being worked out. [Edited 6/9/16 21:38pm] [Edited 6/9/16 21:40pm] [Edited 6/9/16 21:40pm]

Well, if there is a trial involving doctors, everything will come out in the wash. But so far, no one has been arrested or charged so perhaps there was nothing untoward from any doctor.

Im of the opinion that Prince wasnt being prescribed any opioids and he was getting them through a dealer. A trial against enablers doing Prince's dirty work, or indeed a trial against any dealers themselves probably wont bring Prince's complete medical situation to the fore. Although it might tell us the reason for taking the meds in the first place.

But no arrests so far, no one charged. It seems like the investigation might simply be fizzling out and we may end up with nothing but mystery, unless, like you said, the family decides to tell us more, if indeed they know more. It could be that Prince was completely healthy other than his addiction and he simply OD'd. In which case, the family may be as perplexed as we are.

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Reply #603 posted 06/10/16 12:03am

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Rebeljuice said:

Marta said:

I, for one am sick and tired of reading about Schulenberg as if he was wondrous and walked on water or something. This guy could practice family medicine, but specialized in Obstetrics..for pete's sake. If a guy is going to go to a doctor, most wouldn't choose one who advertised himself more as an Obstetrician than a GP. The whole thing is suspect. He had seen Prince exactly twice; April 7the and April 20th. The last one being the day before he died. After Prince's first visit he wrote; as he reported to the authorities (..after they finally tracked him down..) numerous prescriptions. The ones that were filled at that Walgreens. (Verified by the Centers staff.) Right after he spoke with the authorities this guy was let go from the medical center and has now vanished. They still haven't been able to find him for follow-up questions. What legitimate, responsible, ethical physician does that? The centr administration refuse to disclose why he'said no longrr there. This guy was not a good guy. And I suspect he's done something very wrong. (Like, perhaps, gave Prince fentanyl during that office visit on the 20th.) The Cali doctor had been contacted to help Prince with the opiate addiction. This is a guy Prince went to see for what's been labeled by investigators and medical staff as "other health issues". The two different physicians were contacted to address two different issues. Michael T. Schulenberg, upon seeing Prince on the second visit ran a bunch of diagnostic tests (logical as Prince was a new patient for him). I'm sure on that first visit he gave him the initial cursory exam and scheduled the second more thorough exam and testing. A testament as to the seriousness this health crisis is the fact that he got him in for that 2nd visit within the same week. If anyone has been to a doctor recently, you likely know how unlikely it is for that to happen. You're really lucky if you can be scheduled in for early the following month. He showed up at Prince's house with the results because he saw something very dire...and urgent. The one and only time that my doctor even personally called me, was to tell me I needed immediate surgery and to get to the hospital asap. Something was very, very wrong ..aids..cancer ....something else just as terrible? ..Don't know. And with all of this ridiculous secrecy, those of us who absolutely adored the man may never know. It's very clear, for me anyway, that something..aside from the opiate issue..was horribly wrong. Due to Minnesota law though, we won't know anything for at least 30 years. ..Unless a family member publicized something. And just who all of those family members are is still being worked out. [Edited 6/9/16 21:38pm] [Edited 6/9/16 21:40pm] [Edited 6/9/16 21:40pm]

Well, if there is a trial involving doctors, everything will come out in the wash. But so far, no one has been arrested or charged so perhaps there was nothing untoward from any doctor.

Im of the opinion that Prince wasnt being prescribed any opioids and he was getting them through a dealer. A trial against enablers doing Prince's dirty work, or indeed a trial against any dealers themselves probably wont bring Prince's complete medical situation to the fore. Although it might tell us the reason for taking the meds in the first place.

But no arrests so far, no one charged. It seems like the investigation might simply be fizzling out and we may end up with nothing but mystery, unless, like you said, the family decides to tell us more, if indeed they know more. It could be that Prince was completely healthy other than his addiction and he simply OD'd. In which case, the family may be as perplexed as we are.

AnnaStesia10 comments: Man I hope we all find out the Truth and what is really going on. Enough is enough. But man it does not feel right that Prince is found on 4/21/16 by his treating doctor and the addiction doctor (the son). That is just some really interesting timing, or something else is up.

Idk, I just pray we get more information. I also think we know not to fully trust the media. That is another issue, unless we get a press conference or direct interviews from the family or investigators, we are in a state of suspension.

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Reply #604 posted 06/10/16 12:26am

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AnnaStesia10 said:

Rebeljuice said:

Well, if there is a trial involving doctors, everything will come out in the wash. But so far, no one has been arrested or charged so perhaps there was nothing untoward from any doctor.

Im of the opinion that Prince wasnt being prescribed any opioids and he was getting them through a dealer. A trial against enablers doing Prince's dirty work, or indeed a trial against any dealers themselves probably wont bring Prince's complete medical situation to the fore. Although it might tell us the reason for taking the meds in the first place.

But no arrests so far, no one charged. It seems like the investigation might simply be fizzling out and we may end up with nothing but mystery, unless, like you said, the family decides to tell us more, if indeed they know more. It could be that Prince was completely healthy other than his addiction and he simply OD'd. In which case, the family may be as perplexed as we are.

AnnaStesia10 comments: Man I hope we all find out the Truth and what is really going on. Enough is enough. But man it does not feel right that Prince is found on 4/21/16 by his treating doctor and the addiction doctor (the son). That is just some really interesting timing, or something else is up.

Idk, I just pray we get more information. I also think we know not to fully trust the media. That is another issue, unless we get a press conference or direct interviews from the family or investigators, we are in a state of suspension.

Prince was found by the son of the doctor in Cali and 2 PP staffers wasn't he? I don't think two doctors found him.

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Reply #605 posted 06/10/16 12:33am

Rebeljuice

AnnaStesia10 said:

Rebeljuice said:

Well, if there is a trial involving doctors, everything will come out in the wash. But so far, no one has been arrested or charged so perhaps there was nothing untoward from any doctor.

Im of the opinion that Prince wasnt being prescribed any opioids and he was getting them through a dealer. A trial against enablers doing Prince's dirty work, or indeed a trial against any dealers themselves probably wont bring Prince's complete medical situation to the fore. Although it might tell us the reason for taking the meds in the first place.

But no arrests so far, no one charged. It seems like the investigation might simply be fizzling out and we may end up with nothing but mystery, unless, like you said, the family decides to tell us more, if indeed they know more. It could be that Prince was completely healthy other than his addiction and he simply OD'd. In which case, the family may be as perplexed as we are.

AnnaStesia10 comments: Man I hope we all find out the Truth and what is really going on. Enough is enough. But man it does not feel right that Prince is found on 4/21/16 by his treating doctor and the addiction doctor (the son). That is just some really interesting timing, or something else is up.

Idk, I just pray we get more information. I also think we know not to fully trust the media. That is another issue, unless we get a press conference or direct interviews from the family or investigators, we are in a state of suspension.

You know, if we sift through all the gossip and media bullshit from the past 6 weeks or so, the truth is in there. We have already been told the truth, we just cant see the woods for the trees.

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Reply #606 posted 06/10/16 12:46am

PeteSilas

Rebeljuice said:

AnnaStesia10 said:

AnnaStesia10 comments: Man I hope we all find out the Truth and what is really going on. Enough is enough. But man it does not feel right that Prince is found on 4/21/16 by his treating doctor and the addiction doctor (the son). That is just some really interesting timing, or something else is up.

Idk, I just pray we get more information. I also think we know not to fully trust the media. That is another issue, unless we get a press conference or direct interviews from the family or investigators, we are in a state of suspension.

You know, if we sift through all the gossip and media bullshit from the past 6 weeks or so, the truth is in there. We have already been told the truth, we just cant see the woods for the trees.

well, what's the truth in your eyes? are you going with occams razor? the simplest answer is the best? I think a lot of people, myself included, just have a real hard time accepting Prince as a drug addict. This guy had so much self-discipline that it's hard to reconcile. Not only that, he knew what those things did to people and I'm sure he knew he had to be careful with any kind of drug. Then, the other pieces that don't fit, he was never out of it in public, how did he cover up that kind of addiction. There are always signs, where were they in the case of Prince? MJ, Elvis, Amy Winehouse, Jimi Hendrix, Marvin Gaye, all dabbled with drugs and the stories were out there about them, and everyone of them but Marvin had performances that were shit because of the drugs.

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Reply #607 posted 06/10/16 2:14am

Eileen

Marta said:

I, for one am sick and tired of reading about Schulenberg as if he was wondrous and walked on water or something.


I've not seen him praised here or in the media. Any links or quotes?



Marta said:

He had seen Prince exactly twice; April 7the and April 20th.

After Prince's first visit he wrote; as he reported to the authorities (..after they finally tracked him down..) numerous prescriptions. The ones that were filled at that Walgreens. (Verified by the Centers staff.)


Schulenberg showed up to the scene in-progress and spoke to investigators immediately. Who had to "finally track him down"?

I don't recall published details of what was done at the first visit on the 7th, or that he was reported as writing "numerous prescriptions" at that visit. The search warrant doesn't say this either. Would appreciate links if you could.



Marta said:

Right after he spoke with the authorities this guy was let go from the medical center and has now vanished. They still haven't been able to find him for follow-up questions.What legitimate, responsible, ethical physician does that? The centr administration refuse to disclose why he'said no longrr there.


AFAIK - nothing has been disclosed regarding his departure from the medical center, nobody has stated he has vanished, investigators have not indicated they are looking for him or have follow up questions. None of that is stated in the search warrant either. Would appreciate links to such information.



Marta said:

The Cali doctor had been contacted to help Prince with the opiate addiction. This is a guy Prince went to see for what's been labeled by investigators and medical staff as "other health issues". The two different physicians were contacted to address two different issues.


Reports I read stated both were contacted regarding issues with opiates, however not officially afaik regarding Schulenberg.



Marta said:

Michael T. Schulenberg, upon seeing Prince on the second visit ran a bunch of diagnostic tests (logical as Prince was a new patient for him). I'm sure on that first visit he gave him the initial cursory exam and scheduled the second more thorough exam and testing. A testament as to the seriousness this health crisis is the fact that he got him in for that 2nd visit within the same week. If anyone has been to a doctor recently, you likely know how unlikely it is for that to happen.


April 20th was not the same week as April 7th. That would be two weeks later.

I don't recall published details of what was done at the second visit on the 20th, or that he ran "a bunch of diagnostic tests". The search warrant doesn't say this either. Would appreciate links if you could.

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Reply #608 posted 06/10/16 4:14am

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PeteSilas said:

Rebeljuice said:

You know, if we sift through all the gossip and media bullshit from the past 6 weeks or so, the truth is in there. We have already been told the truth, we just cant see the woods for the trees.

well, what's the truth in your eyes? are you going with occams razor? the simplest answer is the best? I think a lot of people, myself included, just have a real hard time accepting Prince as a drug addict. This guy had so much self-discipline that it's hard to reconcile. Not only that, he knew what those things did to people and I'm sure he knew he had to be careful with any kind of drug. Then, the other pieces that don't fit, he was never out of it in public, how did he cover up that kind of addiction. There are always signs, where were they in the case of Prince? MJ, Elvis, Amy Winehouse, Jimi Hendrix, Marvin Gaye, all dabbled with drugs and the stories were out there about them, and everyone of them but Marvin had performances that were shit because of the drugs.

My opinion.

Was Prince addicted to opiods? Yes
Was this purely to get kicks and get high? No

Was this as a result of needing them for pain managemnet? Yes

So in my mind, yes he was an addict, but not due to recreational uses. The question still outstanding for me is what was causing the pain for which he needed medication, cancer, aids or more likely hip and/or knee pain.

RIP sad
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Reply #609 posted 06/10/16 4:30am

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derrick31 said:

He is so gaunt in this photo and looks so tired. sad And the eyeliner on his right eye, upper lid, is way above his lash line. His eye makeup used to always be SO PERFECT and this pic really (for me) illustrates that he was suffering greatly. I have a few chronic illnesses and chronic pain now for almost 20 years so I feel like I can recognize that in others and that's the feeling I get looking at this photo. My heart aches for what he must have gone through with his chronic pain and, imo, other health issues as well on top of that.

Not wanting to play the devil's advocate, but:


1. This is not a photoshoped pic as the one's we usually see. It's a televised event, no retouching.

2. Age catches up to us all. And on those who usually look much younger the change sometimes becomes even more noticeable. Add some weight loss (from flu or whatever) and that's a tragic combination. I'm 47 years old. Was always told I looked 10 years younger. I lost quite some weight in the last year and let me tell you, my wrinkles are all showing. And I feel it happened overnight.
3. Prince seemed to have gone on a more natural direction, probably accepting his age more and realising how silly one might look if one continues to wear certain things. Which takes me to the following points:

4. He stopped doing his eyebrows.

5. He let his afro grow naturally, adding to the slimmer effect in his face.

6. He stopped using fake eyelashes, which instantly changes your expression, same as with the eyebrows.

7. He started doing his own makeup (could have been many reasons for that).

Yes, he could have had health issues. I myself always felt there was more to it, but perhaps all of the above plus a dependency on increadibly strong painkillers would explain his more fragile look. An addiction/dependency is an illness, so he was in fact ill.

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Reply #610 posted 06/10/16 5:36am

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TheEnglishGent said:



PeteSilas said:




Rebeljuice said:



You know, if we sift through all the gossip and media bullshit from the past 6 weeks or so, the truth is in there. We have already been told the truth, we just cant see the woods for the trees.



well, what's the truth in your eyes? are you going with occams razor? the simplest answer is the best? I think a lot of people, myself included, just have a real hard time accepting Prince as a drug addict. This guy had so much self-discipline that it's hard to reconcile. Not only that, he knew what those things did to people and I'm sure he knew he had to be careful with any kind of drug. Then, the other pieces that don't fit, he was never out of it in public, how did he cover up that kind of addiction. There are always signs, where were they in the case of Prince? MJ, Elvis, Amy Winehouse, Jimi Hendrix, Marvin Gaye, all dabbled with drugs and the stories were out there about them, and everyone of them but Marvin had performances that were shit because of the drugs.




My opinion.

Was Prince addicted to opiods? Yes
Was this purely to get kicks and get high? No


Was this as a result of needing them for pain managemnet? Yes

So in my mind, yes he was an addict, but not due to recreational uses. The question still outstanding for me is what was causing the pain for which he needed medication, cancer, aids or more likely hip and/or knee pain.



I agree. But we aren't going to know more unless someone (family/friends) steps forward.
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RIP Prince. We will NEVER forget you. Thank you so much.

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Reply #611 posted 06/10/16 6:44am

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I think we're all forgetting something fundemental here: a 57 year old man is not going to look like a 30 year old man. He looks pretty close to his actual age in these pictures, and that's not a bad thing. He was looking at 60 freaking years old, gimmie a break with the 'He looked REALLY OLD!' crap. He /was/ old! lol Do I think he looked exhausted? Yep, because he probably was -- it's not like the man was letting a little thing called sleep get in the way of doing shit (because sleep is overrated, and all.), but geebus, it's hardly a travesty to look like you're in your late fifties.

As for the rest of it? Meh, whatever, dude.

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Reply #612 posted 06/10/16 7:45am

Tresha68

Marta said:

I, for one am sick and tired of reading about Schulenberg as if he was wondrous and walked on water or something. This guy could practice family medicine, but specialized in Obstetrics..for pete's sake. If a guy is going to go to a doctor, most wouldn't choose one who advertised himself more as an Obstetrician than a GP. The whole thing is suspect. He had seen Prince exactly twice; April 7the and April 20th. The last one being the day before he died. After Prince's first visit he wrote; as he reported to the authorities (..after they finally tracked him down..) numerous prescriptions. The ones that were filled at that Walgreens. (Verified by the Centers staff.) Right after he spoke with the authorities this guy was let go from the medical center and has now vanished. They still haven't been able to find him for follow-up questions. What legitimate, responsible, ethical physician does that? The centr administration refuse to disclose why he'said no longrr there. This guy was not a good guy. And I suspect he's done something very wrong. (Like, perhaps, gave Prince fentanyl during that office visit on the 20th.) The Cali doctor had been contacted to help Prince with the opiate addiction. This is a guy Prince went to see for what's been labeled by investigators and medical staff as "other health issues". The two different physicians were contacted to address two different issues. Michael T. Schulenberg, upon seeing Prince on the second visit ran a bunch of diagnostic tests (logical as Prince was a new patient for him). I'm sure on that first visit he gave him the initial cursory exam and scheduled the second more thorough exam and testing. A testament as to the seriousness this health crisis is the fact that he got him in for that 2nd visit within the same week. If anyone has been to a doctor recently, you likely know how unlikely it is for that to happen. You're really lucky if you can be scheduled in for early the following month. He showed up at Prince's house with the results because he saw something very dire...and urgent. The one and only time that my doctor even personally called me, was to tell me I needed immediate surgery and to get to the hospital asap. Something was very, very wrong ..aids..cancer ....something else just as terrible? ..Don't know. And with all of this ridiculous secrecy, those of us who absolutely adored the man may never know. It's very clear, for me anyway, that something..aside from the opiate issue..was horribly wrong. Due to Minnesota law though, we won't know anything for at least 30 years. ..Unless a family member publicized something. And just who all of those family members are is still being worked out. [Edited 6/9/16 21:38pm] [Edited 6/9/16 21:40pm] [Edited 6/9/16 21:40pm]

I agree with you 100% Marta. And yes, if it was AIDS you do need monitoring. Someone stated he didn't need tested again. I think if it was AIDS he had Kaposi Sarcoma. That would explain the turtle necks, gloves and the digestive/abdominal issues. And guess what, if he did have AIDS I feel no differently about him. People need to educate themselves. The '90-'00 generation seem to think it is a disease of homosexuality. NOT THE CASE AT ALL. He was ill. I do think he was addicted to opiods, not to get high, but because his body actually needed them to function.

[Edited 6/10/16 7:50am]

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Reply #613 posted 06/10/16 10:43am

herb4

Mumio said:

The bleakness clearly seen here. That is pure pain in his eyes. He was hurting. Badly. Go ahead, throw your arrows, I don't care. I am standing by what I have said.

I'd forgotten about it but anyone remember about 6-8 weeks ago there was this hullabaloo about Prince's passport photo and how great he looked? I didn't think much of it at the time but in retrospect, the timing seems weird.

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Reply #614 posted 06/10/16 11:13am

Marta

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Eileen said:



Marta said:


I, for one am sick and tired of reading about Schulenberg as if he was wondrous and walked on water or something.




I've not seen him praised here or in the media. Any links or quotes?






Marta said:


He had seen Prince exactly twice; April 7the and April 20th.

After Prince's first visit he wrote; as he reported to the authorities (..after they finally tracked him down..) numerous prescriptions. The ones that were filled at that Walgreens. (Verified by the Centers staff.)




Schulenberg showed up to the scene in-progress and spoke to investigators immediately. Who had to "finally track him down"?

I don't recall published details of what was done at the first visit on the 7th, or that he was reported as writing "numerous prescriptions" at that visit. The search warrant doesn't say this either. Would appreciate links if you could.






Marta said:


Right after he spoke with the authorities this guy was let go from the medical center and has now vanished. They still haven't been able to find him for follow-up questions.What legitimate, responsible, ethical physician does that? The centr administration refuse to disclose why he'said no longrr there.




AFAIK - nothing has been disclosed regarding his departure from the medical center, nobody has stated he has vanished, investigators have not indicated they are looking for him or have follow up questions. None of that is stated in the search warrant either. Would appreciate links to such information.






Marta said:


The Cali doctor had been contacted to help Prince with the opiate addiction. This is a guy Prince went to see for what's been labeled by investigators and medical staff as "other health issues". The two different physicians were contacted to address two different issues.




Reports I read stated both were contacted regarding issues with opiates, however not officially afaik regarding Schulenberg.






Marta said:


Michael T. Schulenberg, upon seeing Prince on the second visit ran a bunch of diagnostic tests (logical as Prince was a new patient for him). I'm sure on that first visit he gave him the initial cursory exam and scheduled the second more thorough exam and testing. A testament as to the seriousness this health crisis is the fact that he got him in for that 2nd visit within the same week. If anyone has been to a doctor recently, you likely know how unlikely it is for that to happen.




April 20th was not the same week as April 7th. That would be two weeks later.

I don't recall published details of what was done at the second visit on the 20th, or that he ran "a bunch of diagnostic tests". The search warrant doesn't say this either. Would appreciate links if you could.



I'm not giving you anything. All..of this information is avaliable from both the StarTribune and the New York Times. It didn't come to me in a dream or by osmosis or anything else. From April 7th to April 20th is roughly 2 weeks though. But that changes nothing for me.

The drug dependency began in 2010 after he had the double hip replacement surgery. (Prescription pain meds..Most strong prescription pain meds.. cause dependency within a few days (not weeks, not months..a few days). Over time during pain management therapy the patient usually becomes addicted to these meds. Per the experts (and I'm not one), it very often is an a unavoidable side effect of using this type of treatment. Prince had the clarity of mind to see that he was becoming addicted or had become addicted and tried to get help. However, this other medical condition apparently had also become worse and he sought help for it as well from a low-key doctor in a, relatively speaking, low-key Medical Center..close to home. But it was too late.
(The part concerning his dependency above came from someone who worked with him for quite some time before the surgery.)

From what I've read (good, bad..valid and invalid), and own my own I've grabbed everything I can find..it all started becoming too much (meaning others were really beginning to see things and become concerned) during 2015 to his passing.
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Reply #615 posted 06/10/16 11:14am

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PeteSilas said:




Rebeljuice said:



You know, if we sift through all the gossip and media bullshit from the past 6 weeks or so, the truth is in there. We have already been told the truth, we just cant see the woods for the trees.



well, what's the truth in your eyes? are you going with occams razor? the simplest answer is the best? I think a lot of people, myself included, just have a real hard time accepting Prince as a drug addict. This guy had so much self-discipline that it's hard to reconcile. Not only that, he knew what those things did to people and I'm sure he knew he had to be careful with any kind of drug. Then, the other pieces that don't fit, he was never out of it in public, how did he cover up that kind of addiction. There are always signs, where were they in the case of Prince? MJ, Elvis, Amy Winehouse, Jimi Hendrix, Marvin Gaye, all dabbled with drugs and the stories were out there about them, and everyone of them but Marvin had performances that were shit because of the drugs.




My opinion.

Was Prince addicted to opiods? Yes
Was this purely to get kicks and get high? No


Was this as a result of needing them for pain managemnet? Yes

So in my mind, yes he was an addict, but not due to recreational uses. The question still outstanding for me is what was causing the pain for which he needed medication, cancer, aids or more likely hip and/or knee pain.


I agree.
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Reply #616 posted 06/10/16 11:19am

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Marta said:


I, for one am sick and tired of reading about Schulenberg as if he was wondrous and walked on water or something. This guy could practice family medicine, but specialized in Obstetrics..for pete's sake. If a guy is going to go to a doctor, most wouldn't choose one who advertised himself more as an Obstetrician than a GP. The whole thing is suspect. He had seen Prince exactly twice; April 7the and April 20th. The last one being the day before he died. After Prince's first visit he wrote; as he reported to the authorities (..after they finally tracked him down..) numerous prescriptions. The ones that were filled at that Walgreens. (Verified by the Centers staff.) Right after he spoke with the authorities this guy was let go from the medical center and has now vanished. They still haven't been able to find him for follow-up questions. What legitimate, responsible, ethical physician does that? The centr administration refuse to disclose why he'said no longrr there. This guy was not a good guy. And I suspect he's done something very wrong. (Like, perhaps, gave Prince fentanyl during that office visit on the 20th.) The Cali doctor had been contacted to help Prince with the opiate addiction. This is a guy Prince went to see for what's been labeled by investigators and medical staff as "other health issues". The two different physicians were contacted to address two different issues. Michael T. Schulenberg, upon seeing Prince on the second visit ran a bunch of diagnostic tests (logical as Prince was a new patient for him). I'm sure on that first visit he gave him the initial cursory exam and scheduled the second more thorough exam and testing. A testament as to the seriousness this health crisis is the fact that he got him in for that 2nd visit within the same week. If anyone has been to a doctor recently, you likely know how unlikely it is for that to happen. You're really lucky if you can be scheduled in for early the following month. He showed up at Prince's house with the results because he saw something very dire...and urgent. The one and only time that my doctor even personally called me, was to tell me I needed immediate surgery and to get to the hospital asap. Something was very, very wrong ..aids..cancer ....something else just as terrible? ..Don't know. And with all of this ridiculous secrecy, those of us who absolutely adored the man may never know. It's very clear, for me anyway, that something..aside from the opiate issue..was horribly wrong. Due to Minnesota law though, we won't know anything for at least 30 years. ..Unless a family member publicized something. And just who all of those family members are is still being worked out. [Edited 6/9/16 21:38pm] [Edited 6/9/16 21:40pm] [Edited 6/9/16 21:40pm]


I agree with you 100% Marta. And yes, if it was AIDS you do need monitoring. Someone stated he didn't need tested again. I think if it was AIDS he had Kaposi Sarcoma. That would explain the turtle necks, gloves and the digestive/abdominal issues. And guess what, if he did have AIDS I feel no differently about him. People need to educate themselves. The '90-'00 generation seem to think it is a disease of homosexuality. NOT THE CASE AT ALL. He was ill. I do think he was addicted to opiods, not to get high, but because his body actually needed them to function.

[Edited 6/10/16 7:50am]


We are of the same mind. Part of me is just gone inside. But I've never been one to hide from truth. (My opinion of the truth..even if it hurts.)
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Reply #617 posted 06/10/16 12:04pm

PeteSilas

as for me, i don't have a problem with him having aids, my sister had aids. But i wouldn't believe it without more proof. Same with the cancer, just can't belief it without more proof.

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Reply #618 posted 06/10/16 12:07pm

PeteSilas

there are a couple other celebs who look to have very possibly died from aids and it was hushed up. Miles Davis and Lyle Alzado. Alzado tried to blame his weight loss and brain cancer on steroids but lots of people say that he had aids and the cancer he did have was common with aids patients.

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Reply #619 posted 06/10/16 12:31pm

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Marta said:

I, for one am sick and tired of reading about Schulenberg as if he was wondrous and walked on water or something. This guy could practice family medicine, but specialized in Obstetrics..for pete's sake. If a guy is going to go to a doctor, most wouldn't choose one who advertised himself more as an Obstetrician than a GP. The whole thing is suspect. He had seen Prince exactly twice; April 7the and April 20th. The last one being the day before he died. After Prince's first visit he wrote; as he reported to the authorities (..after they finally tracked him down..) numerous prescriptions. The ones that were filled at that Walgreens. (Verified by the Centers staff.) Right after he spoke with the authorities this guy was let go from the medical center and has now vanished. They still haven't been able to find him for follow-up questions. What legitimate, responsible, ethical physician does that? The centr administration refuse to disclose why he'said no longrr there. This guy was not a good guy. And I suspect he's done something very wrong. (Like, perhaps, gave Prince fentanyl during that office visit on the 20th.) The Cali doctor had been contacted to help Prince with the opiate addiction. This is a guy Prince went to see for what's been labeled by investigators and medical staff as "other health issues". The two different physicians were contacted to address two different issues. Michael T. Schulenberg, upon seeing Prince on the second visit ran a bunch of diagnostic tests (logical as Prince was a new patient for him). I'm sure on that first visit he gave him the initial cursory exam and scheduled the second more thorough exam and testing. A testament as to the seriousness this health crisis is the fact that he got him in for that 2nd visit within the same week. If anyone has been to a doctor recently, you likely know how unlikely it is for that to happen. You're really lucky if you can be scheduled in for early the following month. He showed up at Prince's house with the results because he saw something very dire...and urgent. The one and only time that my doctor even personally called me, was to tell me I needed immediate surgery and to get to the hospital asap. Something was very, very wrong ..aids..cancer ....something else just as terrible? ..Don't know. And with all of this ridiculous secrecy, those of us who absolutely adored the man may never know. It's very clear, for me anyway, that something..aside from the opiate issue..was horribly wrong. Due to Minnesota law though, we won't know anything for at least 30 years. ..Unless a family member publicized something. And just who all of those family members are is still being worked out. [Edited 6/9/16 21:38pm] [Edited 6/9/16 21:40pm] [Edited 6/9/16 21:40pm]

I believe Schulenberg was a former doctor of Kirk Johnson and that's how he was introduced to Prince. Kirky told investigators that Prince received treatment for an unspecified illness in 2013 or 2014 at the Two Twelve Medical Center in Chaska where Schulenberg was on staff until August of 2014.

[Edited 6/10/16 12:33pm]

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Reply #620 posted 06/10/16 12:33pm

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bondno9 said:

Marta said:

I, for one am sick and tired of reading about Schulenberg as if he was wondrous and walked on water or something. This guy could practice family medicine, but specialized in Obstetrics..for pete's sake. If a guy is going to go to a doctor, most wouldn't choose one who advertised himself more as an Obstetrician than a GP. The whole thing is suspect. He had seen Prince exactly twice; April 7the and April 20th. The last one being the day before he died. After Prince's first visit he wrote; as he reported to the authorities (..after they finally tracked him down..) numerous prescriptions. The ones that were filled at that Walgreens. (Verified by the Centers staff.) Right after he spoke with the authorities this guy was let go from the medical center and has now vanished. They still haven't been able to find him for follow-up questions. What legitimate, responsible, ethical physician does that? The centr administration refuse to disclose why he'said no longrr there. This guy was not a good guy. And I suspect he's done something very wrong. (Like, perhaps, gave Prince fentanyl during that office visit on the 20th.) The Cali doctor had been contacted to help Prince with the opiate addiction. This is a guy Prince went to see for what's been labeled by investigators and medical staff as "other health issues". The two different physicians were contacted to address two different issues. Michael T. Schulenberg, upon seeing Prince on the second visit ran a bunch of diagnostic tests (logical as Prince was a new patient for him). I'm sure on that first visit he gave him the initial cursory exam and scheduled the second more thorough exam and testing. A testament as to the seriousness this health crisis is the fact that he got him in for that 2nd visit within the same week. If anyone has been to a doctor recently, you likely know how unlikely it is for that to happen. You're really lucky if you can be scheduled in for early the following month. He showed up at Prince's house with the results because he saw something very dire...and urgent. The one and only time that my doctor even personally called me, was to tell me I needed immediate surgery and to get to the hospital asap. Something was very, very wrong ..aids..cancer ....something else just as terrible? ..Don't know. And with all of this ridiculous secrecy, those of us who absolutely adored the man may never know. It's very clear, for me anyway, that something..aside from the opiate issue..was horribly wrong. Due to Minnesota law though, we won't know anything for at least 30 years. ..Unless a family member publicized something. And just who all of those family members are is still being worked out. [Edited 6/9/16 21:38pm] [Edited 6/9/16 21:40pm] [Edited 6/9/16 21:40pm]

I believe Schulenberg was a former doctor of Kirk Johnson and that's how he was introduced to Prince. Kirky told investigators that Prince received treatment for an unspecified illness in 2013 or 2014 at the Two Twelve Medical Center in Chaska. Schulenberg worked for Ridgeview Medical Center until August of 2014.

that's probably why kirky hired a lawyer.

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Reply #621 posted 06/10/16 12:36pm

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PeteSilas said:

bondno9 said:

I believe Schulenberg was a former doctor of Kirk Johnson and that's how he was introduced to Prince. Kirky told investigators that Prince received treatment for an unspecified illness in 2013 or 2014 at the Two Twelve Medical Center in Chaska. Schulenberg worked for Ridgeview Medical Center until August of 2014.

that's probably why kirky hired a lawyer.

Umm hmm. Not only that, I read somewhere the plane they were on when it made the emergency landing was registered to the fitness club Kirky works for. The club had no comment.

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Reply #622 posted 06/10/16 12:48pm

PeteSilas

hadn't heard that. some people on here protested when i said someone should pay. Well, they say, Prince was the one taking the drugs. But like most things in life, it's more complicated than that. If people enabled him, or illegaly got him drugs, they should pay.

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Reply #623 posted 06/10/16 2:17pm

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Marta said:

I'm not giving you anything. All..of this information is avaliable from both the StarTribune and the New York Times.


I've read their coverage and don't find a match to items that you cite. However people are free to say what they wish.

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Reply #624 posted 06/10/16 2:30pm

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My biggest problem with the AIDS rumor is that it is substantiated by nothing, but the fact that he was a sex-positive black male musician that wasn't insecure about showing his feminine side. I feel like it's a stereotype if nothing else. No one seemed to suspect that Bowie's 'cancer' was really AIDS even though no one even knew that he had cancer until he died. The most important aspect of this investigation is determining what Schulenberg prescribed and the reason for his termination by the medical center following P's death. For all we know, P could've been following the instructions that the doctor administered. Also, I do believe that P's dependency on the opoids could have been as short-term as two weeks---from the time Schulenberg gave the first prescription on April 7 to the time of his death.
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Reply #625 posted 06/10/16 2:41pm

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jumanji2016 said:

My biggest problem with the AIDS rumor is that it is substantiated by nothing, but the fact that he was a sex-positive black male musician that wasn't insecure about showing his feminine side. I feel like it's a stereotype if nothing else. No one seemed to suspect that Bowie's 'cancer' was really AIDS even though no one even knew that he had cancer until he died. The most important aspect of this investigation is determining what Schulenberg prescribed and the reason for his termination by the medical center following P's death. For all we know, P could've been following the instructions that the doctor administered. Also, I do believe that P's dependency on the opoids could have been as short-term as two weeks---from the time Schulenberg gave the first prescription on April 7 to the time of his death.

Same thing with Bowie. The National Enquirer (yet again) ran a story about Bowie really dying of Aids and not cancer. If that were the case, which I don't believe for a second, did some religious leader tell Bowie not to take his HIV medicine and rely on God to cure him? So this right here just shows how these magazines are full of crap. They said that about the JW to have a dig at them.

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Reply #626 posted 06/10/16 2:54pm

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MMJas said:



jumanji2016 said:


My biggest problem with the AIDS rumor is that it is substantiated by nothing, but the fact that he was a sex-positive black male musician that wasn't insecure about showing his feminine side. I feel like it's a stereotype if nothing else. No one seemed to suspect that Bowie's 'cancer' was really AIDS even though no one even knew that he had cancer until he died. The most important aspect of this investigation is determining what Schulenberg prescribed and the reason for his termination by the medical center following P's death. For all we know, P could've been following the instructions that the doctor administered. Also, I do believe that P's dependency on the opoids could have been as short-term as two weeks---from the time Schulenberg gave the first prescription on April 7 to the time of his death.


Same thing with Bowie. The National Enquirer (yet again) ran a story about Bowie really dying of Aids and not cancer. If that were the case, which I don't believe for a second, did some religious leader tell Bowie not to take his HIV medicine and rely on God to cure him? So this right here just shows how these magazines are full of crap. They said that about the JW to have a dig at them.




Oh OK. So, they DID dig at Bowie. I never heard about it. I guess that dig at Bowie wasn't as circulated as the one about Prince. Even Yahoo!News had latched on to the AIDS rumor for Prince knowing that it came from the Enquirer. SMH.
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Reply #627 posted 06/10/16 3:14pm

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Why are people so bound and determined to have Prince dying of AIDS?
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Reply #628 posted 06/10/16 3:27pm

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Why are people so bound and determined to have Prince dying of AIDS?

Because he had teh sex with the many women, yo. And OBVIOUSLY he wouldn't have had access to those handy condoms, yo. And because AIDS is how every rock star dies, don'tcha know.

He couldn't possibly have just accidentally poisoned himself or some logical shit like that, because that never happens, ever in life.

He also couldn't possibly have died of exhaustion because 61/2 days awake while ill.

He could only die of something like AIDS or the Illuminati. That's a news story for ya. It's more fun to make shit up.

Ahem. Sorry. #notreallyfunny.

Man... the rumor mill is so lame. His fam and friends must be so freaking miserable right now. Part of me looks at picture of him and goes, "What did you /do/, you little bastard."

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Reply #629 posted 06/10/16 3:29pm

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rogifan said:

Why are people so bound and determined to have Prince dying of AIDS?

because it's titillating and gossip worthy. As for me, i'd honestly prefer cancer or aids, or a heart attack or anyting other than just od'ing, i always thought he was above that.

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