Dibblekins said:

Just watching the BBC coverage of Muhammed Ali's funeral arrangements; his family's eagerness to inform and involve the fans; how open and celebratory the whole thing appears to be, both in terms of clarity as to how the man passed, and embracing people's natural desire to participate and rejoice in all the man gave whilst alive.


It made me feel incredibly sad and, I suppose, sort of cheated by how things have gone down with Prince's passing...Celebrating his life, with little to no official endorsement or enthusiasm (thus far) from his family seems incredibly difficult when there are so many unanswered questions and when we appear to be being kept at arm's length. Forgive me - maybe I am not entitled to feel this way, but I can't help it.

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I was just thinking this the other day. There has been no official funeral or celebration for him. That is truly so sad. Waiting until August is very strange to me. Why would you wait so long? It can't take much money to have a blessed service for him. Bless his soul, pray for him with others, etc. etc.

Just seems so unfinished.

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I had to edit to add that thank goodness the JW's had a service for him. No matter what your views are about his beliefs, they didn't wait, they celebrated his life in what seems to be a beautiful service.

-Just wish his family would do the same. But maybe they have and we don't know about it. Tyka something would be in August. But maybe the family have done it already.

[Edited 6/7/16 9:27am]

Unless there is a criminal investigation going on, we'll likely never know the contents of the autopsy report... underlying ilness, etc.

http://www.usatoday.com/s.../85531498/

blue22 said:

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Somehow and for some reason, people have been ignoring that. Some people seem hellbent on Prince being terminally ill. Why? I have no idea.

I am going on the assumption you didn't know this since you said you have no idea why people are thinking like this.

Just before he passed (on 4/21/16), there was an item (on 4/16/16) called "Shock report: Insider claims that a very popular AA celebrity..." on MediaTakeOut website shortly after the plane incident (on 4/15/16). This 4/16/16 article indicated there would soon be an AIDS death of a very popular AA celeb "who was just recently in the news". Shortly after that (on 4/25/16), on another site Blind Gossip, yet another item was put up called "At The Hospital" saying that "You are not being told the truth about what happened to this singer". Since that second article talked about unavailable private hospital rooms it was pretty clear who it was supposed to be about. This is why people think he had a terminal illness.

Aside from the above, people have noted that he has looked really ill going back some time. I don't think people are "hellbent" on him being terminally ill, but a lot of us just don't buy that he overdosed and that there wasn't something further going on than a chronic hip pain problem. That's it really. Like others, it hurts me that he's being looked at as a drug abuser regardless of the accidental od label in the public report. And let's face it...we all know that people will take action based on money. Payoffs can be/will be/are made all the time and the media will feed us what they are told to feed us. To think we are being told something that may not be true is completely in line with preserving a legacy. I'm just not of the opinion that the legacy would be harmed if he were indeed terminally ill and we knew it.

[Edited 6/7/16 11:51am]

It also seems to me it's possible that the Atlanta concert postponement at such short notice may have been down to an overdose. Total conjecture on my part, but obviously we won't necessarily hear the full story of his passing and any underlying health issues owing to a full autopsy not being published.

FutureGirl said:

Mumio said:

blue22 said:

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Somehow and for some reason, people have been ignoring that. Some people seem hellbent on Prince being terminally ill. Why? I have no idea.

I am going on the assumption you didn't know this since you said you have no idea why people are thinking like this.

Just before he passed (on 4/21/16), there was an item (on 4/16/16) called "Shock report: Insider claims that a very popular AA celebrity..." on MediaTakeOut website shortly after the plane incident (on 4/15/16). This 4/16/16 article indicated there would soon be an AIDS death of a very popular AA celeb "who was just recently in the news". Shortly after that (on 4/25/16), on another site Blind Gossip, yet another item was put up called "At The Hospital" saying that "You are not being told the truth about what happened to this singer". Since that second article talked about unavailable private hospital rooms it was pretty clear who it was supposed to be about. This is why people think he had a terminal illness.

Aside from the above, people have noted that he has looked really ill going back some time. I don't think people are "hellbent" on him being terminally ill, but a lot of us just don't buy that he overdosed and that there wasn't something further going on than a chronic hip pain problem. That's it really. Like others, it hurts me that he's being looked at as a drug abuser regardless of the accidental od label in the public report. And let's face it...we all know that people will take action based on money. Payoffs can be/will be/are made all the time and the media will feed us what they are told to feed us. To think we are being told something that may not be true is completely in line with preserving a legacy. I'm just not of the opinion that the legacy would be harmed if he were indeed terminally ill and we knew it.

[Edited 6/7/16 11:51am]

Also, in one report they quoted an employee at Walgreen's who said she told P she was praying for him and he told her she should have been praying a year ago (take that for what it's worth with the media). But, it's been about the past year he started looking bad. Plus, the remix Jay z posted about P's masters and then the huge release today makes you wonder if it was pre planned. It was also reported he had a very low red blood cell count (Tribune). Also, on the day he passed he had missed an appointment with a holistic doctor (not Schulenberg)..he looked bad and that could be from drug use...maybe one day someone will talk. The silence on everyone's part leads folk to say he was an addict for years. You would think someone close to him would come out and say he wasn't, but no one is. At least not since the autopsy report. So silent you can hear a pin drop.

blue22 said:

derrick31 said:

blue22 said:

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Somehow and for some reason, people have been ignoring that. Some people seem hellbent on Prince being terminally ill. Why? I have no idea.

So he wasn't an addict, no was he terminally ill? I'm sorry, but he was one or the other and I'm guessing by his aged appearance, the weight loss, the never ending case of the flu, and the memoir that he was ill. I mean just look at the pic I posted and tell me he wasn't ill. His skin was yellowish and was sagging. That's not the look of a healthy man at all.

With all due respect, derrick31, what we mean is dependency on painkillers, but not an addict. People are very quick to point out there is a difference and yes, there is. Some are trying to say he was a drug addict like he was trying to get his high and I don't think that's the case. So no, not an addict in the way some people are saying like "he was a druggy" or "just another drug addict rock star" making him sound like he was scraping the barrel for a fix. However, whether it was dependency or addiction, I don't care one way or another and it doesn't make me think anything less of him. What is clear, however, is that he was trying to do something about it and get rid of the opiates.

And no, I don't think he was terminally ill. He was being treated for withdrawal symptoms by his local doctor. Here is what happens when a person goes through withdrawal from opiates:

"Below you can find more comprehensive list of opioid withdrawal symptoms than just the eleven that are assessed in the Clinical Opiate Withdrawal Scale.

Physical symptoms include:

- muscle aches and cramps
- bone and joint pain
- cramps
- weakness/fatigue
- tremor
- alternating periods of having hot and cold flashes
- perspiration
- restlessness
- rapid heart rate
- dilated pupils
- restless leg syndrome
- runny nose and increased tearing
- sneezing
- yawning
- nausea, vomiting, abdominal cramps
- diarrhea
- goose bumps
- headache

Psychological symptoms include:

- agitation/irritability
- anxiety/panic attacks
- insomnia
- drug cravings
- depression/dysphoria
- malaise
- loss of appetite"

So, you can see, for one, how he probably wasn't eating the best and getting his nutrients in addition to the other physical and emotional effects. If this is indeed what was going on, Prince probably felt absolutely terrible and it started to show in his appearance. Perhaps he'd been bouncing back and forth between withdrawal and going back to the opiates for relief. If pressed for a time frame, I would guess it's been going on for a while...within the last 6 months to a year at least. The way it appears is that he tried to kick the dependency on his own for a while but needed help eventually, so he sought out the local doctor. When things became very bad with the first overdose, that's when they called in the California doctor.

By mentioning all of the above, I am just saying that his appearance and behavior does not necessarily have to be attributed to a terminal illness. A severe back and forth dependency issue would cause just as much physical as well as mental deterioration. And given the determination of his cause of death, I hope you can see why I tend to believe that he wasn't terminally ill.

Source: http://www.opiateaddictio...withdrawal

[Edited 6/7/16 17:59pm]

[Edited 6/7/16 19:02pm]

I don't know he anyone knows he was ill by looking at him. He was 57 for goodness' sake! Look at people in your life who are in their late 50s and the skin is looser esp. around eyes and mouth, more lined etc. I think his skin was quite smooth for his age.

He was nauseous recently, but opiate withdrawals cause nausea and vomiting. The severity of pain he felt could account for a strained expression if he was feeling the pain during withdrawal periods. He could have been going off and on, or switching meds or having his doctor change his dose -- thus repeated symptoms over a period of weeks or months.

Not saying he had no illness but no one can tell by looking at someone who is aging that they are ill.

morningsong said:

luvsexy4all said:

how was he /his dr administering the fen drug??? inject/pills/ patch ????? very important

Don't know, it wasn't officially disclosed. But if we're in the game of making assumptions, I would think pills, since it's been said that Percocet was found on him, then I'm assuming someone simply made a mistake, and mistook the type of a pills found in his possession. Then there is if he injected it, it would have acted very quickly and the odds are high he would have been found with a needle in his possession instead, so there is a slight possibility he injected it but I'm guessing it's the least likely considering where he was found. Having a patch is still possible, especially if he did have an excessive weight loss and a single patch was suitable for his normal weight, or that detoxing weakened his resistance, or worse he put on 2 patches. I'm concluding that pills are the most likely suspect.



I still wondering if he could have gotten a legal prescription outside of the country? The DEA would have no jurisdiction in such a case, I don't think.

well its EXTREMELY telling....if he was patching ..then he was trying to get high

I feel in my heart that he was ill. If you have ever watched someone with a terminal illness fade away you would understand. I was my dads care taker for 10 years. The day he died I knew and had a nurse tell me he was stable, that he would be ok. I told my family, my brothers and sisters to come see him. They all thought I was over run with exhaustion and stress. He was gone 6 hours later and I was with him until the end. Granted he was much older than Price, but it seems that Prince, his body was so abused from giving it all to "us" must have been so worn out. I understand the pain mgt as I am a pain mgt patient myself due to a botched operation. For me I had a choice, be in and out of the hospital every other month or go to pain mgt try to manage my issues at home. For me it has been a godsend. I just look at all of the videos and pictures of him and I do not see a man that was aging normally. I see a very tired and sick man who was doing all that he could to keep going. I think he knew it was coming and he tried very hard to fight it. Sometimes our bodies just give up. I have had two very close calls and can tell you that with one I was on the edge and fought my way back. The other I had a cardiac arrest during a procedure and had to be brought back. I now live my life knowing each day is not a guarantee....none of us live forever so I live my life as gracious as I can each day. Prince was a special man and there will never be another like him. He lived his life on his terms and as private as he was we may never know. I just hope he is sitting on a purple cloud free of pain making beautiful music.

what do you think was wrong? Prince was doing so many things like he was trying to mend fences and he seemed so resigned to fate didn't he? Like a man who'd given up. The signs of aging were there and i dismissed them because he was in his late fifties but now i could see that maybe something was wrong. I mean, this guy never looked tired or haggard in spite of his crazy work ethic, i don't think i've ever seen a picture where he looked fatigued, but the last couple years, he just didn't look right, but i only say that in retrospect.

luvsexy4all said:

morningsong said:

Don't know, it wasn't officially disclosed. But if we're in the game of making assumptions, I would think pills, since it's been said that Percocet was found on him, then I'm assuming someone simply made a mistake, and mistook the type of a pills found in his possession. Then there is if he injected it, it would have acted very quickly and the odds are high he would have been found with a needle in his possession instead, so there is a slight possibility he injected it but I'm guessing it's the least likely considering where he was found. Having a patch is still possible, especially if he did have an excessive weight loss and a single patch was suitable for his normal weight, or that detoxing weakened his resistance, or worse he put on 2 patches. I'm concluding that pills are the most likely suspect.



I still wondering if he could have gotten a legal prescription outside of the country? The DEA would have no jurisdiction in such a case, I don't think.

well its EXTREMELY telling....if he was patching ..then he was trying to get high

The only people using fentanyl patches are people doing it to get high?

JenNpurple4ever said:

I just hope he is sitting on a purple cloud free of pain making beautiful music.

Amen!

CROWNS1 said:

Mumio said:

I am going on the assumption you didn't know this since you said you have no idea why people are thinking like this.

Just before he passed (on 4/21/16), there was an item (on 4/16/16) called "Shock report: Insider claims that a very popular AA celebrity..." on MediaTakeOut website shortly after the plane incident (on 4/15/16). This 4/16/16 article indicated there would soon be an AIDS death of a very popular AA celeb "who was just recently in the news". Shortly after that (on 4/25/16), on another site Blind Gossip, yet another item was put up called "At The Hospital" saying that "You are not being told the truth about what happened to this singer". Since that second article talked about unavailable private hospital rooms it was pretty clear who it was supposed to be about. This is why people think he had a terminal illness.

Aside from the above, people have noted that he has looked really ill going back some time. I don't think people are "hellbent" on him being terminally ill, but a lot of us just don't buy that he overdosed and that there wasn't something further going on than a chronic hip pain problem. That's it really. Like others, it hurts me that he's being looked at as a drug abuser regardless of the accidental od label in the public report. And let's face it...we all know that people will take action based on money. Payoffs can be/will be/are made all the time and the media will feed us what they are told to feed us. To think we are being told something that may not be true is completely in line with preserving a legacy. I'm just not of the opinion that the legacy would be harmed if he were indeed terminally ill and we knew it.

[Edited 6/7/16 11:51am]

Also, in one report they quoted an employee at Walgreen's who said she told P she was praying for him and he told her she should have been praying a year ago (take that for what it's worth with the media). But, it's been about the past year he started looking bad. Plus, the remix Jay z posted about P's masters and then the huge release today makes you wonder if it was pre planned. It was also reported he had a very low red blood cell count (Tribune). Also, on the day he passed he had missed an appointment with a holistic doctor (not Schulenberg)..he looked bad and that could be from drug use...maybe one day someone will talk. The silence on everyone's part leads folk to say he was an addict for years. You would think someone close to him would come out and say he wasn't, but no one is. At least not since the autopsy report. So silent you can hear a pin drop.

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I'm more inclined to agree with your view about the drug use.

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He was 57 and to me in that picture he looked older, not old, but older. He was also very thin by then, and he had changed his eating habits. Earlier pics of Prince in the late 70's show a very healthly, muscle defined body. But by the time the 80's came around, he was much thiner and by the 90's he was significantly thinner. (Edited to add that drug use can age you too. Nobody seems to mention this. I have never seen a healthy looking opiate addict).

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The other thing is that at 57, you do try to mend fences, you really do take stock of your life and as you get older, I think that people tend to either care more or not care at all. At least that is my experience of people I know.

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But of course, we can go round in circles all day long. Like you said, we will never know. People just are not talking.

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For some reason, I think that its his earlier frinds/bandmates who know the real deal timeline wise. Rather than those who were around him of late.

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And of course, I could be wrong about everything. We all could be wrong about everything.

[Edited 6/8/16 3:13am]

Mumio said:

blue22 said:

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Somehow and for some reason, people have been ignoring that. Some people seem hellbent on Prince being terminally ill. Why? I have no idea.

I am going on the assumption you didn't know this since you said you have no idea why people are thinking like this.

Just before he passed (on 4/21/16), there was an item (on 4/16/16) called "Shock report: Insider claims that a very popular AA celebrity..." on MediaTakeOut website shortly after the plane incident (on 4/15/16). This 4/16/16 article indicated there would soon be an AIDS death of a very popular AA celeb "who was just recently in the news". Shortly after that (on 4/25/16), on another site Blind Gossip, yet another item was put up called "At The Hospital" saying that "You are not being told the truth about what happened to this singer". Since that second article talked about unavailable private hospital rooms it was pretty clear who it was supposed to be about. This is why people think he had a terminal illness.

Aside from the above, people have noted that he has looked really ill going back some time. I don't think people are "hellbent" on him being terminally ill, but a lot of us just don't buy that he overdosed and that there wasn't something further going on than a chronic hip pain problem. That's it really. Like others, it hurts me that he's being looked at as a drug abuser regardless of the accidental od label in the public report. And let's face it...we all know that people will take action based on money. Payoffs can be/will be/are made all the time and the media will feed us what they are told to feed us. To think we are being told something that may not be true is completely in line with preserving a legacy. I'm just not of the opinion that the legacy would be harmed if he were indeed terminally ill and we knew it.

[Edited 6/7/16 11:51am]

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I answered this already.

I do think that people are hellbent, meaning insistent on finding a terminal illness to stick onto him.

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The fact is, nothing has been identified. In the report that was released, it said 'n/a'. We all know that means 'NOT APPLICABLE'.

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But, we really don't know it all, so you could be right. I could be wrong. I could be right. You could be wrong. We will never know until we see it proven or the family release a statement.

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The family have been quiet and so have friends and employees. But we know that there is still a criminal investigation going on.

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Just also want to add that Jimmy Page and Eric Clapton have talked about when they were addicts they had blood work done and changed when trying to stop using.

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I just don't buy the terminal illness thing until I can see some proof.

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Addicts are ill. Sure, alot of them suffer from mental illness, but not all. And as many professionals in this community have said, there is a difference between dependency and addiction.

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I won't be looking at any videos or any of his work with a side-eye just because he struggled for whatever reason. We all struggle with different things in life. No judgements about that. And maybe you could consider not judging him for taking painkillers, for whatever reason.

luvsexy4all said:

blue22 said:

Mumio said:

I am going on the assumption you didn't know this since you said you have no idea why people are thinking like this.

Just before he passed (on 4/21/16), there was an item (on 4/16/16) called "Shock report: Insider claims that a very popular AA celebrity..." on MediaTakeOut website shortly after the plane incident (on 4/15/16). This 4/16/16 article indicated there would soon be an AIDS death of a very popular AA celeb "who was just recently in the news". Shortly after that (on 4/25/16), on another site Blind Gossip, yet another item was put up called "At The Hospital" saying that "You are not being told the truth about what happened to this singer". Since that second article talked about unavailable private hospital rooms it was pretty clear who it was supposed to be about. This is why people think he had a terminal illness.

Aside from the above, people have noted that he has looked really ill going back some time. I don't think people are "hellbent" on him being terminally ill, but a lot of us just don't buy that he overdosed and that there wasn't something further going on than a chronic hip pain problem. That's it really. Like others, it hurts me that he's being looked at as a drug abuser regardless of the accidental od label in the public report. And let's face it...we all know that people will take action based on money. Payoffs can be/will be/are made all the time and the media will feed us what they are told to feed us. To think we are being told something that may not be true is completely in line with preserving a legacy. I'm just not of the opinion that the legacy would be harmed if he were indeed terminally ill and we knew it.

[Edited 6/7/16 11:51am]

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I answered this already.

I do think that people are hellbent, meaning insistent on finding a terminal illness to stick onto him.

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The fact is, nothing has been identified. In the report that was released, it said 'n/a'. We all know that means 'NOT APPLICABLE'.

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But, we really don't know it all, so you could be right. I could be wrong. I could be right. You could be wrong. We will never know until we see it proven or the family release a statement.

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The family have been quiet and so have friends and employees. But we know that there is still a criminal investigation going on.

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Just also want to add that Jimmy Page and Eric Clapton have talked about when they were addicts they had blood work done and changed when trying to stop using.

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I just don't buy the terminal illness thing until I can see some proof.

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Addicts are ill. Sure, alot of them suffer from mental illness, but not all. And as many professionals in this community have said, there is a difference between dependency and addiction.

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I won't be looking at any videos or any of his work with a side-eye just because he struggled for whatever reason. We all struggle with different things in life. No judgements about that. And maybe you could consider not judging him for taking painkillers, for whatever reason.

Why are you "hellbent" into making this an issue that he was a drug addict?

You can have a terminal illness and not linger. My wife had a aunt who played softball with us Easter Sunday, took ill with the flu Mother's Day, went into the hospital the 27 of May with pneumonia, diagnosed with breast cancer on Memorial Day and was dead by June 1st.

She didn't look like she had cancer at her funeral.

Mumio said:

blue22 said:

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Somehow and for some reason, people have been ignoring that. Some people seem hellbent on Prince being terminally ill. Why? I have no idea.

I am going on the assumption you didn't know this since you said you have no idea why people are thinking like this.

Just before he passed (on 4/21/16), there was an item (on 4/16/16) called "Shock report: Insider claims that a very popular AA celebrity..." on MediaTakeOut website shortly after the plane incident (on 4/15/16). This 4/16/16 article indicated there would soon be an AIDS death of a very popular AA celeb "who was just recently in the news". Shortly after that (on 4/25/16), on another site Blind Gossip, yet another item was put up called "At The Hospital" saying that "You are not being told the truth about what happened to this singer". Since that second article talked about unavailable private hospital rooms it was pretty clear who it was supposed to be about. This is why people think he had a terminal illness.

Aside from the above, people have noted that he has looked really ill going back some time. I don't think people are "hellbent" on him being terminally ill, but a lot of us just don't buy that he overdosed and that there wasn't something further going on than a chronic hip pain problem. That's it really. Like others, it hurts me that he's being looked at as a drug abuser regardless of the accidental od label in the public report. And let's face it...we all know that people will take action based on money. Payoffs can be/will be/are made all the time and the media will feed us what they are told to feed us. To think we are being told something that may not be true is completely in line with preserving a legacy. I'm just not of the opinion that the legacy would be harmed if he were indeed terminally ill and we knew it.

[Edited 6/7/16 11:51am]

What is the source of this info? What is meant by "item"? I'm skeptical of anything with the phrase "shock report"

blue22 said:

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I answered this already.

I do think that people are hellbent, meaning insistent on finding a terminal illness to stick onto him.

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The fact is, nothing has been identified. In the report that was released, it said 'n/a'. We all know that means 'NOT APPLICABLE'.

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But, we really don't know it all, so you could be right. I could be wrong. I could be right. You could be wrong. We will never know until we see it proven or the family release a statement.

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The family have been quiet and so have friends and employees. But we know that there is still a criminal investigation going on.

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Just also want to add that Jimmy Page and Eric Clapton have talked about when they were addicts they had blood work done and changed when trying to stop using.

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I just don't buy the terminal illness thing until I can see some proof.

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Addicts are ill. Sure, alot of them suffer from mental illness, but not all. And as many professionals in this community have said, there is a difference between dependency and addiction.

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I won't be looking at any videos or any of his work with a side-eye just because he struggled for whatever reason. We all struggle with different things in life. No judgements about that. And maybe you could consider not judging him for taking painkillers, for whatever reason.

Thank you for a reasonable discussion on this, I do appreciate your responses The only thing I'd like to clarify is that I don't judge him for using painkillers, but hate seeing him being spoken about as a drug abuser/addict because I believe he was dependent due to his condition, not as a recreational user. I do believe someone dependent due to illness vs taking them recreationally are coming from two different places. If that makes me a bad person, then so be it. I've had someone close to me die of overdose due to drug abuse so I am not unfamiliar with the situation. Again, thanks for your thoughts.

allmusicfan123 said:

What is the source of this info? What is meant by "item"? I'm skeptical of anything with the phrase "shock report"

The names of the websites are listed in my comments. You'll need to google the info to find out whatever it is you want to know.

blue22 said:

Mumio said:

I am going on the assumption you didn't know this since you said you have no idea why people are thinking like this.

Just before he passed (on 4/21/16), there was an item (on 4/16/16) called "Shock report: Insider claims that a very popular AA celebrity..." on MediaTakeOut website shortly after the plane incident (on 4/15/16). This 4/16/16 article indicated there would soon be an AIDS death of a very popular AA celeb "who was just recently in the news". Shortly after that (on 4/25/16), on another site Blind Gossip, yet another item was put up called "At The Hospital" saying that "You are not being told the truth about what happened to this singer". Since that second article talked about unavailable private hospital rooms it was pretty clear who it was supposed to be about. This is why people think he had a terminal illness.

Aside from the above, people have noted that he has looked really ill going back some time. I don't think people are "hellbent" on him being terminally ill, but a lot of us just don't buy that he overdosed and that there wasn't something further going on than a chronic hip pain problem. That's it really. Like others, it hurts me that he's being looked at as a drug abuser regardless of the accidental od label in the public report. And let's face it...we all know that people will take action based on money. Payoffs can be/will be/are made all the time and the media will feed us what they are told to feed us. To think we are being told something that may not be true is completely in line with preserving a legacy. I'm just not of the opinion that the legacy would be harmed if he were indeed terminally ill and we knew it.

[Edited 6/7/16 11:51am]

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I answered this already.

I do think that people are hellbent, meaning insistent on finding a terminal illness to stick onto him.

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The fact is, nothing has been identified. In the report that was released, it said 'n/a'. We all know that means 'NOT APPLICABLE'.

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But, we really don't know it all, so you could be right. I could be wrong. I could be right. You could be wrong. We will never know until we see it proven or the family release a statement.

-

The family have been quiet and so have friends and employees. But we know that there is still a criminal investigation going on.

-

Just also want to add that Jimmy Page and Eric Clapton have talked about when they were addicts they had blood work done and changed when trying to stop using.

-

I just don't buy the terminal illness thing until I can see some proof.

-

Addicts are ill. Sure, alot of them suffer from mental illness, but not all. And as many professionals in this community have said, there is a difference between dependency and addiction.

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I won't be looking at any videos or any of his work with a side-eye just because he struggled for whatever reason. We all struggle with different things in life. No judgements about that. And maybe you could consider not judging him for taking painkillers, for whatever reason.

The death certificate only states the means of death, i.e. cause. It does not state any underlying issues or illness. He could have been terminally ill but the toxicity is what caused his death. Only the autopsy report gives any and ALL issues. Including radiographs, organ weight, and any other finding. IT IS NOT STATED ON THE DEATH CERTIFICATE.

Just like AIDS, Cancer, drugs in any form can be terminal

Tresha68 said:

The death certificate only states the means of death, i.e. cause. It does not state any underlying issues or illness. He could have been terminally ill but the toxicity is what caused his death. Only the autopsy report gives any and ALL issues. Including radiographs, organ weight, and any other finding. IT IS NOT STATED ON THE DEATH CERTIFICATE.

Are you at the point yet of just copying and pasting that little paragraph since it has had to be repeated over and over? Thanks Tresha68

Another tabloid

Intouch: "up to 80 pills a day", "double life of addiction", supposedly reveals his source.

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/prince-death-drug-addiction-overdose-104521

muleFunk said:

blue22 said:

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I answered this already.

I do think that people are hellbent, meaning insistent on finding a terminal illness to stick onto him.

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The fact is, nothing has been identified. In the report that was released, it said 'n/a'. We all know that means 'NOT APPLICABLE'.

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But, we really don't know it all, so you could be right. I could be wrong. I could be right. You could be wrong. We will never know until we see it proven or the family release a statement.

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The family have been quiet and so have friends and employees. But we know that there is still a criminal investigation going on.

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Just also want to add that Jimmy Page and Eric Clapton have talked about when they were addicts they had blood work done and changed when trying to stop using.

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I just don't buy the terminal illness thing until I can see some proof.

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Addicts are ill. Sure, alot of them suffer from mental illness, but not all. And as many professionals in this community have said, there is a difference between dependency and addiction.

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I won't be looking at any videos or any of his work with a side-eye just because he struggled for whatever reason. We all struggle with different things in life. No judgements about that. And maybe you could consider not judging him for taking painkillers, for whatever reason.

Why are you "hellbent" into making this an issue that he was a drug addict?

You can have a terminal illness and not linger. My wife had a aunt who played softball with us Easter Sunday, took ill with the flu Mother's Day, went into the hospital the 27 of May with pneumonia, diagnosed with breast cancer on Memorial Day and was dead by June 1st.

She didn't look like she had cancer at her funeral.

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I would say that the only thing that I am hellbent on is the fact that no one really knows anything. And until the evidence is revealed, we are all doing guess work. Therefore all possibilities apply.

Mumio said:

blue22 said:

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I answered this already.

I do think that people are hellbent, meaning insistent on finding a terminal illness to stick onto him.

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The fact is, nothing has been identified. In the report that was released, it said 'n/a'. We all know that means 'NOT APPLICABLE'.

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But, we really don't know it all, so you could be right. I could be wrong. I could be right. You could be wrong. We will never know until we see it proven or the family release a statement.

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The family have been quiet and so have friends and employees. But we know that there is still a criminal investigation going on.

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Just also want to add that Jimmy Page and Eric Clapton have talked about when they were addicts they had blood work done and changed when trying to stop using.

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I just don't buy the terminal illness thing until I can see some proof.

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Addicts are ill. Sure, alot of them suffer from mental illness, but not all. And as many professionals in this community have said, there is a difference between dependency and addiction.

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I won't be looking at any videos or any of his work with a side-eye just because he struggled for whatever reason. We all struggle with different things in life. No judgements about that. And maybe you could consider not judging him for taking painkillers, for whatever reason.

Thank you for a reasonable discussion on this, I do appreciate your responses The only thing I'd like to clarify is that I don't judge him for using painkillers, but hate seeing him being spoken about as a drug abuser/addict because I believe he was dependent due to his condition, not as a recreational user. I do believe someone dependent due to illness vs taking them recreationally are coming from two different places. If that makes me a bad person, then so be it. I've had someone close to me die of overdose due to drug abuse so I am not unfamiliar with the situation. Again, thanks for your thoughts.

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Likewise .

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Hopefully more information will come out. Or maybe it won't. We just don't know. But all possibilities apply.

Mumio said:

Mumio said:

Tresha68 said:

blue22 said:

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I answered this already.

I do think that people are hellbent, meaning insistent on finding a terminal illness to stick onto him.

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The fact is, nothing has been identified. In the report that was released, it said 'n/a'. We all know that means 'NOT APPLICABLE'.

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But, we really don't know it all, so you could be right. I could be wrong. I could be right. You could be wrong. We will never know until we see it proven or the family release a statement.

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The family have been quiet and so have friends and employees. But we know that there is still a criminal investigation going on.

-

Just also want to add that Jimmy Page and Eric Clapton have talked about when they were addicts they had blood work done and changed when trying to stop using.

-

I just don't buy the terminal illness thing until I can see some proof.

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Addicts are ill. Sure, alot of them suffer from mental illness, but not all. And as many professionals in this community have said, there is a difference between dependency and addiction.

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I won't be looking at any videos or any of his work with a side-eye just because he struggled for whatever reason. We all struggle with different things in life. No judgements about that. And maybe you could consider not judging him for taking painkillers, for whatever reason.

The death certificate only states the means of death, i.e. cause. It does not state any underlying issues or illness. He could have been terminally ill but the toxicity is what caused his death. Only the autopsy report gives any and ALL issues. Including radiographs, organ weight, and any other finding. IT IS NOT STATED ON THE DEATH CERTIFICATE.

-Thank you for highlighting, underlying, bolding and italicisation and I musn't forget, CAPITALISING (English spelling) your statement.

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I fully understand the medical examiner's report, which is what I was referring to and the death certificate.

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Again, no one knows anything for sure as nothing else factual has been released. And that is a fact if nothing else is.