derrick31 said:

Mumio said:

The names of the websites are listed in my comments. You'll need to google the info to find out whatever it is you want to know.

These publications weren't wrong about Charlie Sheen and issued blind items before he confirmed it was him.

the thing with the aids rumours is, i could very easily see some casual hanger on, some guy who isn't really close to prince working for him and seeing him in bad shape and starting a rumor of aids. I don't discount some terminal illness i really don't, in fact, i keep saying i'd rather believe that than believe he got addicted to those stupid drugs, but until we have more proof we don't know. someone will come out with it. I keep saying, that they tried everything they could to say elvis died of a heart problem, true, but the real cause was diet and drug it came out.

derrick31 said:

Prince was very ill and anyone who can look at this photo and say otherwise is lying to themselves.

that is a FUCKLOAD of speculation.

rightbluecheek said:

Do you remember that at a certain point a lot of Fed cars suddenly showed up at PP for a search? I was wondering...what if he had a bottle on which Percocet was written, and instead there was Fentanyl inside? Maybe they already knew the result of the toxicology report and they were looking for something...maybe a bottle of Fentanyl that had been hidden somewhere? Maybe they wanted to find out if it was prescribed (In a regular pharmacy bottle) or if it was purchased elsewhere. Just my 0.02

That's exactly what was happening. They knew the results within minutes of autopsy.

From what I have learned it wasn't pills it was patches.

starkitty said:

derrick31 said:

Prince was very ill and anyone who can look at this photo and say otherwise is lying to themselves.

that is a FUCKLOAD of speculation.

All these brothers are around the exact same age....Something was wrong. Not saying what, but something was definitely wrong.

roxy831 said:

starkitty said:

that is a FUCKLOAD of speculation.

All these brothers are around the exact same age....Something was wrong. Not saying what, but something was definitely wrong.

I really don't think it's really fair to compar these guys who never had the same drive and put their whole being through the things Prince did to be who he was. I agree though, never thought he'd be the first to go out of his own circle. But, I do believe things are connected to his insane work ethic in one way or the other. He squoze every little bit out of himself so I do not find it hard to believe that he may have been in terrible pain or he may have had cancer, which has been proven to be related to stress. AIDS? I don't discount that either but they say aids anytime someone gets sick so I don't necessarily believe it.

starkitty said:

derrick31 said:

Prince was very ill and anyone who can look at this photo and say otherwise is lying to themselves.

that is a FUCKLOAD of speculation.

Yes! Thank you.

blue22 said:

Tresha68 said:

The death certificate only states the means of death, i.e. cause. It does not state any underlying issues or illness. He could have been terminally ill but the toxicity is what caused his death. Only the autopsy report gives any and ALL issues. Including radiographs, organ weight, and any other finding. IT IS NOT STATED ON THE DEATH CERTIFICATE.

-Thank you for highlighting, underlying, bolding and italicisation and I musn't forget, CAPITALISING (English spelling) your statement.

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I fully understand the medical examiner's report, which is what I was referring to and the death certificate.

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Again, no one knows anything for sure as nothing else factual has been released. And that is a fact if nothing else is.

Glad you liked it.

blue22 said:

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I'm more inclined to agree with your view about the drug use.

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He was 57 and to me in that picture he looked older, not old, but older. He was also very thin by then, and he had changed his eating habits. Earlier pics of Prince in the late 70's show a very healthly, muscle defined body. But by the time the 80's came around, he was much thiner and by the 90's he was significantly thinner. (Edited to add that drug use can age you too. Nobody seems to mention this. I have never seen a healthy looking opiate addict).

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The other thing is that at 57, you do try to mend fences, you really do take stock of your life and as you get older, I think that people tend to either care more or not care at all. At least that is my experience of people I know.

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But of course, we can go round in circles all day long. Like you said, we will never know. People just are not talking.

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For some reason, I think that its his earlier frinds/bandmates who know the real deal timeline wise. Rather than those who were around him of late.

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And of course, I could be wrong about everything. We all could be wrong about everything.

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I agree with all your points, blue22. I wanted to also add to the mending fences comment: There were some recent deaths around Prince such as Bowie and Vanity. When people pass on, it gets one thinking about their own mortality and reflecting. I also think that may have been part of the reason for the bigger push in the most recent months for Prince to seek out help with getting off opiates...like maybe he was thinking about what could happen to him if he didn't. That is just my opinion, however.

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roxy831 said:

TopazGirl said:

blue22 said:

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I'm more inclined to agree with your view about the drug use.

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He was 57 and to me in that picture he looked older, not old, but older. He was also very thin by then, and he had changed his eating habits. Earlier pics of Prince in the late 70's show a very healthly, muscle defined body. But by the time the 80's came around, he was much thiner and by the 90's he was significantly thinner. (Edited to add that drug use can age you too. Nobody seems to mention this. I have never seen a healthy looking opiate addict).

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The other thing is that at 57, you do try to mend fences, you really do take stock of your life and as you get older, I think that people tend to either care more or not care at all. At least that is my experience of people I know.

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But of course, we can go round in circles all day long. Like you said, we will never know. People just are not talking.

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For some reason, I think that its his earlier frinds/bandmates who know the real deal timeline wise. Rather than those who were around him of late.

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And of course, I could be wrong about everything. We all could be wrong about everything.

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I agree with all your points, blue22. I wanted to also add to the mending fences comment: There were some recent deaths around Prince such as Bowie and Vanity. When people pass on, it gets one thinking their own mortality and reflecting. I also think that may have been part of the reason for the bigger push in the most recent months for Prince to seek out help with getting off opiates...like maybe he was thinking about what could happen to him if he didn't. That is just my opinion, however.

I so agree with you both. I think we can all agree that he looked older and not in perfect health in that pic. It's hard to imagine what he'd look like without the makeup.

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Personally, I think most of the photos that have been released in the past couple of years are either from far away, or have been retouched (I recall he wouldn't allow Rolling Stone to photograph during their interview a couple years ago, and he instead provided them with a retouched photo).

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However, considering his work ethic and lifestyle, sleeping habits and taking opiates for who knows how long; he looks damn good! I just feel bad that knowing how vane he was it must have been very hard on him to visibly age.

derrick31 said:

roxy831 said:

All these brothers are around the exact same age....Something was wrong. Not saying what, but something was definitely wrong.

And Prince always looked younger than them up until the past year or so.....

Neither of these artists have had the grueling work schedule that Prince has had in the last 40 years, either. Hence, the reason that Prince is an 'icon' and they are 'the friends of an icon'. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis have produced more than they have been the actual performer and that's an entire different arena altogether.

The first pic is from November 2015 and the second is from January 2015. He looks more dehydrated in the first pic. So, there is just like 10 or 11 months in between there. In November...maybe there was a lot of stress going on too as he would be gearing up for his tour. I take the touring into consideration too...the preparation, rehearsing, etc. as another stress factor on top of everything else. As you get older, not sleeping, not staying hydrated, and not eating well will show up your face more than when younger. Your skin can't bounce back as well as in youth. And yes, this is all speculation too I realize, but I'm not looking looking at him like he's dying because really, I don't think so. Also, I couldn't find a pic of him without the glasses, though. Maybe someone else can find/make a better pic comparison.

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jumanji2016 said:

derrick31 said:

roxy831 said:

Neither of these artists have had the grueling work schedule that Prince has had in the last 40 years, either. Hence, the reason that Prince is an 'icon' and they are 'the friends of an icon'. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis have produced more than they have been the actual performer and that's an entire different arena altogether.

James Brown, age 73 with a history of performing 350 times a year, not including rehearsals, recordings, and hard living.

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jumanji2016 said:

derrick31 said:

roxy831 said:

Neither of these artists have had the grueling work schedule that Prince has had in the last 40 years, either. Hence, the reason that Prince is an 'icon' and they are 'the friends of an icon'. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis have produced more than they have been the actual performer and that's an entire different arena altogether.

James Brown, age 73 with a history of performing 350 times a year, not including rehearsals, recordings, and hard living.

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PeteSilas said:

jumanji2016 said:

PeteSilas said:

I really don't think it's really fair to compar these guys who never had the same drive and put their whole being through the things Prince did to be who he was. I agree though, never thought he'd be the first to go out of his own circle. But, I do believe things are connected to his insane work ethic in one way or the other. He squoze every little bit out of himself so I do not find it hard to believe that he may have been in terrible pain or he may have had cancer, which has been proven to be related to stress. AIDS? I don't discount that either but they say aids anytime someone gets sick so I don't necessarily believe it.

The thing that really kills me about the AIDS rumor is that it came from The National Enquirer. The same magazine that published pics of some guy dressed in some funny clothes and claimed that they were pics from the security camera in Prince's elevator. I'm not even comprehending how this rumor has legs.

i think someone from P's camp started it, because reports of an unnamed black celebrity were hitting the internet even before Prince had the plane incident. I've seen a couple times in my own life when someone might get sick or lose weight, whispers start about aids, that's just average people talking, i could see the show biz world being even quicker to draw those conclusions.

jumanji2016 said:

roxy831 said:

Neither of these artists have had the grueling work schedule that Prince has had in the last 40 years, either. Hence, the reason that Prince is an 'icon' and they are 'the friends of an icon'. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis have produced more than they have been the actual performer and that's an entire different arena altogether.

James Brown, age 73 with a history of performing 350 times a year, not including rehearsals, recordings, and hard living.

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[/quote The details of that description is evident, because James Brown looks just like a 73-year-old Southern grandmother in this pic. Mouth full of dentures included. Genetics is a big factor in this. Tyka looks just as old as Prince did before his death. Prince's dad looks old in the photos of him holding baby Prince even though he was only in his early 40s then. Different people age differently---even when lifestyles are similar. Are we just going to compare Prince's aging to biologically-unrelated male musicians all night? We'll be here a while with no point proven.

James was a hardworking man, i don't think anyone worked as hard as Prince but James is the best contender. As far as age and looks, Prince looked excellent up until the last couple years and even then, for a man in his mid 50's he still looked damn good he just didn't look like the same Prince that we're used to.

PeteSilas said:

Mumio said:

Tresha68 said:

The death certificate only states the means of death, i.e. cause. It does not state any underlying issues or illness. He could have been terminally ill but the toxicity is what caused his death. Only the autopsy report gives any and ALL issues. Including radiographs, organ weight, and any other finding. IT IS NOT STATED ON THE DEATH CERTIFICATE.

Are you at the point yet of just copying and pasting that little paragraph since it has had to be repeated over and over? Thanks Tresha68

What is the "Other significant conditions" spot for?

jumanji2016 said:

PeteSilas said:

i think someone from P's camp started it, because reports of an unnamed black celebrity were hitting the internet even before Prince had the plane incident. I've seen a couple times in my own life when someone might get sick or lose weight, whispers start about aids, that's just average people talking, i could see the show biz world being even quicker to draw those conclusions.

Gotcha. The articles that I kept seeing about the rumor were dated for like the 15th of April. I think he may have developed ulcers from taking meds with little or no food. He looked emaciated at the Warriors game for sure.

jesus, you're right, no cheeks at all, prince always had a little bit of cheeks.

goddamn it, i hate to say it but the shit still hurts. ali was just as big or bigger a hero to me but it was almost a relief for him to pass, Prince is still killing me.

PeteSilas said:

goddamn it, i hate to say it but the shit still hurts. ali was just as big or bigger a hero to me but it was almost a relief for him to pass, Prince is still killing me.

I hear ya. Please hang in there

PeteSilas said:

jumanji2016 said:

PeteSilas said:

goddamn it, i hate to say it but the shit still hurts. ali was just as big or bigger a hero to me but it was almost a relief for him to pass, Prince is still killing me.

Man! I was so emotional Friday night/Saturday morning when Ali passed and those photos of he and Prince started re-circulating. Like, were those times really that long ago? Seems like no one died before the new millennium.

only reason it may not have hit me harder was that I am pretty worn out from Prince. I always assumed Ali's passing would have me to the point where i'd want to be alone for a few days but I just am pretty exhausted from losing a guy I fully expected to watch at least into his seventies.

TopazGirl said:

PeteSilas said:

goddamn it, i hate to say it but the shit still hurts. ali was just as big or bigger a hero to me but it was almost a relief for him to pass, Prince is still killing me.

I hear ya. Please hang in there

I will thank you.

jumanji2016 said:

PeteSilas said:

I really don't think it's really fair to compar these guys who never had the same drive and put their whole being through the things Prince did to be who he was. I agree though, never thought he'd be the first to go out of his own circle. But, I do believe things are connected to his insane work ethic in one way or the other. He squoze every little bit out of himself so I do not find it hard to believe that he may have been in terrible pain or he may have had cancer, which has been proven to be related to stress. AIDS? I don't discount that either but they say aids anytime someone gets sick so I don't necessarily believe it.

The thing that really kills me about the AIDS rumor is that it came from The National Enquirer. The same magazine that published pics of some guy dressed in some funny clothes and claimed that they were pics from the security camera in Prince's elevator. I'm not even comprehending how this rumor has legs.

Here's how reliable the Enquirer is - not! The same article that said Prince had AIDS put his weight at 80 pounds. The ME report said what 112. So there ya go. Critical thinking when reading ANY newspaper is smart but some almost don't deserve a read... they might have an accurate story twice a year.

I knew someone who worked for the E -- friend of a friend -- and he'd boast how he'd make up stories that they'd publish.

roxy831 said:

PeteSilas said:

jumanji2016 said:

PeteSilas said: The thing that really kills me about the AIDS rumor is that it came from The National Enquirer. The same magazine that published pics of some guy dressed in some funny clothes and claimed that they were pics from the security camera in Prince's elevator. I'm not even comprehending how this rumor has legs.

i think someone from P's camp started it, because reports of an unnamed black celebrity were hitting the internet even before Prince had the plane incident. I've seen a couple times in my own life when someone might get sick or lose weight, whispers start about aids, that's just average people talking, i could see the show biz world being even quicker to draw those conclusions.

I personally think it could have been cancer. Pure speculation, but an educated guess. Probably completely wrong.

jumanji2016 said: