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Printable PurpleCharm said: jdcxc said: Ah, yea. You're joking right. No. I am not. On the surface it seems your beef is with Prince not voting and expressing in a national publication that he doesn't vote, but I gather from your post that if Prince did vote you would expect for him to vote for Obama because he's black. So, it's really not JUST about Prince not voting is it? Seems you also want to dictate WHO he should be expected to vote for. [Edited 9/28/08 7:56am]  Purplecharm you assessment here and comments on this thread are so on point. It's obviously not about freedom here. It's about Prince voting for who he is "supposed to" vote for and proclaiming that to the world because as a wealthy black man in America that is his duty.  perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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estelle81 said: Honestly, the fact that I've met soo many women who would rather just find a rich man, get married, and not work bothers me waay more than people who choose not to vote. The fact that there are women who get pregnant and would rather live off the system (ie. my taxes) than get a job and support their child themselves disgusts me even more. There are tons of women who fought for the right to be employed in the same jobs that men have just as much as they fought for the right to vote. All people really wanted was to be treated as equals which was the main basis behind all those rallies to obtain rights. To have met soo many girls who would rather have their husbands or the government 'take care' of them instead of them going out and bringing in their own income to support their family, disturbs and angers me more than those not wanting to go out and vote. I would much rather people go out and practice their right to equal employment instead of standing on corners with cardboard signs begging me for spare change. Like I stated in a previous post, the Electoral college vote is the determining vote in who becomes President. I've never understood why people seem to think that the President is the one who makes all the decisions...he's not, Congress can veto anything he puts on the table. He has to get approval from Congress on any new laws or decisions he comes up with, so no matter how many good speeches either of these two candidates spew off, they still have to present them to Congress and the House has to agree to make them official after everything is all said and done. That's why Congress exists. Some people only vote for the President and that's it. If you aren't voting for members of Congress, than why yell at someone who chooses not to vote in the Presidential election? If eccentric voters are going to yell at people for not practicing their right to vote, than I expect those individiuals to vote in every single election that presents itself. If Prince doesn't want to vote because it's against his religion than that's his right as an American citizen. Anyone who goes off of a celebrity's decisions obviously has not yet learned how to really think for themselves, so I feel sorry for them if they need a famous person to tell them what to do. My roommate is a JW and she doesn't vote nor will she do jury duty because it goes against her beliefs. If she wasn't a JW and still chose not to vote, than that's her choice and to an extent I don't disagree with her. Living in Florida, one of the states that is being hit the hardest by the state of the economy, has made me feel sorry for whoever wins, because they have to try and fix the mess that the idiot in office now is going to leave behind as he returns to his riches. Whoever wins most likely isn't going to fix the problems in just one term regardless of how many people may think he can. Sorry, but the President of the United States is not Superman. He can put a dent in it, but if he doesn't choose to run in the next election and another 'W' gets elected President, than what? Sorry, but I stopped living a lie along time ago. What voters need to be doing is crossing their fingers and hoping that the Electoral College vote puts the right candidate into office or if the college vote ends in a tie, so that their votes are pushed into play. If someone doesn't want to vote, than they shouldn't be crucified for their decision. They have the right to think for themselves and that's a God-given right that no government can take away for you. Just my   perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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viewaskew said: bellanoche said: I usually don't respond to posts as ignorant as this, but I felt compelled to this time. Martin Luther King Jr. fought for the right for ALL citizens in this country to have equal rights, to be treated fairly as human beings with dignity and respect. He died because some idiot assasinated him. He didn't die for anyone to have the right to vote. Don't diminish/reduce his struggle to "the right to vote."
Having the right to vote means that someone has the OPTION to vote or not to vote. That is the right that ALL citizens should have. It does not mean that they have to go out and vote, especially if it conflicts with their spiritual beliefs. The right to CHOOSE is the issue. When black people did not have the right to vote it meant that we did not have a choice. Prince, and the rest of us black folk now have the right to CHOOSE whether we want to take part in the voting process or not. Exercising one's right not to vote is as much about freedom as exercising the right to vote. It is not grounds to kick someone out of a country. That's a very ignorant proposition. Shouldn't people have the equal right to have views that are different from yours or even the majority for that matter? Don't vote. Fine. That's your choice. But then don't complain when things go your way or if you don't agree with the direction of the country you live in. You pass on the right to vote, you pass on the right to complain about the results. Prince's lame attempts to be political in songs like Cinnamon Girl or Money Don't Matter Tonight mean even less when he makes ignorant statements like that. There's the right whether to vote or not & there's the obligation to participate in a democratic society. If you choose not to participate when given the opportunity to do so, it's your loss.  I guess he, and all JW, think that in Germany in 1933 "true" Christians weren't supposed to vote against Hitler. | |
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Shawnt25 said: JustErin said: Yuck.
Just yuck.  What don't you like about the article?Pretty much all of it. | |
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Okay - I am so close to giving up my Prince fan membership...
I mean what is this book all about?? He is doing my head in?? The pictures are so tacky and make he look completely affected and superficial and false. I don't like them. He goes on about being yourself nd loving yourself and then covers himself in make up and soft lighting. What is this all about?? I want the real Prince back! Shut up already, damn. | |
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unkleg said: alandail said: No you don't, iTunes plus music plays anywhere. And NPGMC had a much worse problem, their music only played on Microsoft devices, which nobody has. It's like releasing music on an 8 track tape instead of a CD. I knew someone would contradict this, and that's why I said "you can work around this". Of course iTunes plus is DRM free, but why isn't all content DRM free on iTunes? Off topic I know, but that's the business end of music. iTunes wouldn't exist if Apple didn't sell the iPod. It's only about money, if it were about music, it wouldn't exist. Before anyone says "yeah Prince makes money off music too", well the difference is, he MAKES music, he has a right to! I still buy CDs, if I can, direct from the artist's site even when it's more expensive, iTunes can go find themselves.... Apple wants to sell all music DRM free, it's the labels that resist. Why do you think the artist makes more money if you buy the CD from their own web site than they would selling a digital copy on iTunes? Selling CDs on a web site has many expenses including manufacturing, inventory, credit card processing, servers, internet bandwidth, software development, customer service, shipping personnel, marketing, etc. It would be enormously expensive for Prince to setup a system where he released 1 CD worth of vault material each month. It would be trivially inexpensive to do the same thing as iTunes plus material through iTunes. And it would reach a wider audience, sell more copies, and make more money through iTunes as well. |
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viewaskew said: ""I wanted to document something that was never done before," he says, pausing at a photo of himself immersed in fog onstage. "I don't expect that record to be broken unless I break it."
What about "Prince Presents The Sacrifice of Victor?" I guess he had nothing to do with that? The revisionist history continues. He's talking about 21 straight sellout nights. |
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jdcxc said: PurpleCharm said: No. I am not. On the surface it seems your beef is with Prince not voting and expressing in a national publication that he doesn't vote, but I gather from your post that if Prince did vote you would expect for him to vote for Obama because he's black. So, it's really not JUST about Prince not voting is it? Seems you also want to dictate WHO he should be expected to vote for. [Edited 9/28/08 7:56am] No, my beef is purely with Prince not voting. Obviously, he can do whatever he wants and support whomever he chooses. Yes, I am an Obama supporter. This is really off topic, but I could debate the virtues of Obama V. McCain if you would like. Being a huge Prince fan and following his career since 1980, I have always identified his worldview as definately opposed to the conservative, right-wing politics of the Republican party. Of course, I would love it if P did a Springsteen and dedicated himself to the Obama cause. This is a historical and revolutionary election and it would be great if P was part of it- at least voting in it and not highlighting the fact that he has no intention to. And by not voting, you are endorsing the status quo. The success of the conservative agenda is dependant on the public's apathy toward the political process. No one has commented on his utter hyprocrisy. How can he attack corporate greed, trumpet artists rights, glorify MLK while at the same time, highlight his belief in sitting out of the electoral process? It points to pure selfishness. "I'm mad that my money isn't right and screw everybody else." Does he believe in structural changes or just his personal checkbook? I bet you admire Muhammad Ali for refusing to go to war because of his religious beliefs, but are criticizing prince for not voting because of his. |
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alandail said: jdcxc said: No, my beef is purely with Prince not voting. Obviously, he can do whatever he wants and support whomever he chooses. Yes, I am an Obama supporter. This is really off topic, but I could debate the virtues of Obama V. McCain if you would like. Being a huge Prince fan and following his career since 1980, I have always identified his worldview as definately opposed to the conservative, right-wing politics of the Republican party. Of course, I would love it if P did a Springsteen and dedicated himself to the Obama cause. This is a historical and revolutionary election and it would be great if P was part of it- at least voting in it and not highlighting the fact that he has no intention to. And by not voting, you are endorsing the status quo. The success of the conservative agenda is dependant on the public's apathy toward the political process. No one has commented on his utter hyprocrisy. How can he attack corporate greed, trumpet artists rights, glorify MLK while at the same time, highlight his belief in sitting out of the electoral process? It points to pure selfishness. "I'm mad that my money isn't right and screw everybody else." Does he believe in structural changes or just his personal checkbook? I bet you admire Muhammad Ali for refusing to go to war because of his religious beliefs, but are criticizing prince for not voting because of his. Talk about a distorted analogy. So I guess boycotts, strikes and other forms of non-violent protest are the same as refusing to participate in the electoral process. Try going on a site that is predominately African-American and express that viewpoint. Who is P protesting by not voting? The Voting Rights Act was passed in 1965 and people gave their lives for the right to vote. Don't confuse the right to vote with staying home. We always had that right. And remember, it's not just the Presidential election that Prince and the JW's are avoiding. It's congressional, state, school board, and mayoral elections that he refuses to place a vote. | |
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jdcxc said: alandail said: I bet you admire Muhammad Ali for refusing to go to war because of his religious beliefs, but are criticizing prince for not voting because of his. Talk about a distorted analogy. So I guess boycotts, strikes and other forms of non-violent protest are the same as refusing to participate in the electoral process. Try going on a site that is predominately African-American and express that viewpoint. Who is P protesting by not voting? The Voting Rights Act was passed in 1965 and people gave their lives for the right to vote. Don't confuse the right to vote with staying home. We always had that right. And remember, it's not just the Presidential election that Prince and the JW's are avoiding. It's congressional, state, school board, and mayoral elections that he refuses to place a vote. what do you mean who is he protesting? Protesting has NOTHING to do with it. His religious beliefs say he's not supposed to vote or run for office. Religious freedom is as fundamental to this country as the right to vote and actually has a longer and more fundamental role in our nation's history than voting does as religious freedom was a major driving force behind people coming to America in the first place. Ali wasn't protesting a war when he refused to enter a draft. He was expressing his religious beliefs and it was on the grounds of freedom of religion that the supreme court overturned his conviction. His conviction would never have been overturned on the grounds of being a protest against the war. |
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jdcxc said: So, your bottom line is that the president has no power, Congress has all the authority and is isolated from the electorate, elections don't matter and women are the root of all evil. Interesting. I can see who P was speaking to when he talked about not voting.
I made that statment about women who live off of government funding and their husband's income and refuse to try to get a job. If you interpret that as me calling women the root of all evil (I'm a woman btw), than you need to work on you're interpretation skills. There are men who do the same thing, but single mothers are larger in number than single fathers. I even made the statement about people who would rather beg for spare change than work for a living and I've seen more homeless men than women, so I guess you'll interpret that as me being sexist now.
Congress can impeach the President, so he doesn't have more power than they do, but he does have power. Congress is just as important as the President is and there is more than one election taking place this year, but many people only see voting for the President as being important and those people need to realize that the President does not make up the entire government. Dude, I learned about the voting process in 8th Grade Political Science and that was over 15 years ago, so what are you talking about with this 'Prince is talking to me' nonsense. You must have totally missed that whole statement I made about how I think people who are only voting because someone famous tells them to is sad and shows that they need to learn how to think for themselves. If people want to go and vote, don't just go and vote for the President with the delusional idea that he's the only person who controls the government, because that's a lie. I don't believe one man should have total power over a whole country, so I'm glad there's different branches of government in place to help maintain some similance of order.
If people want to go out and vote because it makes them feel like they're making a difference than that's great, but don't blind yourself as to how the election process works. And to all those who keep saying that if you don't vote, you don't have the right to complain...WTF?!?! So, people who aren't even living in this country can voice their opinions but those of us who are citizens can't if we CHOOSE not to vote? So, if I don't practice my freedom to vote, I will lose my freedom of speech is what you're saying? I don't want to carry a fire arm even though it's my freedom to do so, so should that right also be taken away from me because I choose not to have a pistol? Get the hell outta here with that garbage. As long as you pay taxes in this country, you can say whatever the fuck you want. Some Political Science 101 for you: http://usgovinfo.about.co...ollege.htm Since this has gotten way off topic, I'm done with this debate. Prince Rogers Nelson
Sunrise: June 7, 1958 Sunset: April 21, 2016 ~My Heart Loudly Weeps "My Creativity Is My Life." ~ Prince Life is merely a dress rehearsal for eternity. | |
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ToraToraDreams said: Ion said: Definitely sounds like a new album in the works, he's been quiet over the past months and knowing his work ehtic...he's gotta be making music. Or as he says "I am music"
He can't be celibate...really? [Edited 9/25/08 23:49pm] I was waiting for someone to bring that up. I laughed out loud for real when I read that. He can save that story for the JWs... [Edited 9/25/08 23:54pm] Nice article. . . and I'm looking forward to the new music 
BUT you KNOW I  and  @ "That's what happens with years of celibacy," says Prince. Nucca puhleaze!
He still my boo tho.  | |
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Flowers2 said: *wonders where SCNDLS is..... girl, you need to tell these folks what you saw @ those Vegas shows*
  Just got back from Miami and | |
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Astasheiks said: So we hear from the horses mouth himself: "being a Jehovah's Witness, I don't celebrate birthdays or holidays. I don't vote."
Still a JW, Well, Well!!!  So. . . getting paid millions to perform AT a birthday party doesn't count???  He's such a contradictory mess. . . | |
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Wow, even Mistermaxx gave P props for this interview!
while it's been a long time since i have dug his music, i can respect where he is within himself in general and he is cleaning his soul and taken his mind and heart in a fully setting, more power to him. i might not agree with everything but he has own peace from within and he seems secure there. so God Bless the Brother. "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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SCNDLS said: Flowers2 said: *wonders where SCNDLS is..... girl, you need to tell these folks what you saw @ those Vegas shows*
Just got back from Miami and And you couldn't invite me?! "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: SCNDLS said: Just got back from Miami and And you couldn't invite me?!  Di'int you get my orgnote wit yo e-ticket and the hotel reservations????  | |
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People sure do change over time. This version of Prince is light years away from the one 20 years ago....that's natural, but he's gone in some rather unusual directions...having a lot of money and free time will do that for you.
Well I just hope he finds some happiness however he has to. I'm sure he has many good times as he enjoys his semi-retirement. He more than earned it over so many years of making so many people happy with his work. | |
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SCNDLS said: Flowers2 said: *wonders where SCNDLS is..... girl, you need to tell these folks what you saw @ those Vegas shows*
Just got back from Miami and I hope you had a great time | |
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viewaskew said: ""I wanted to document something that was never done before," he says, pausing at a photo of himself immersed in fog onstage. "I don't expect that record to be broken unless I break it."
What about "Prince Presents The Sacrifice of Victor?" I guess he had nothing to do with that? The revisionist history continues. And the photo of him on the bed? I didn't realize we were going to get CG Prince.  i said the same thing that no one seems 2 remember the sacrafice of victor book and hence the photos were taking 4 the come album and the vault
and a poem book was released through 1-800-NEW Funk so this book is nothing new with the only xception being the inclusion of the cd man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: viewaskew said: ""I wanted to document something that was never done before," he says, pausing at a photo of himself immersed in fog onstage. "I don't expect that record to be broken unless I break it."
What about "Prince Presents The Sacrifice of Victor?" I guess he had nothing to do with that? The revisionist history continues. And the photo of him on the bed? I didn't realize we were going to get CG Prince. i said the same thing that no one seems 2 remember the sacrafice of victor book and hence the photos were taking 4 the come album and the vault
and a poem book was released through 1-800-NEW Funk so this book is nothing new with the only xception being the inclusion of the cd ----- Maybe I am wrong but when I read the interview I was under the impression that he meant he was putting out the "21 Nights" book to document the concert which had never been done before not that he had never put out a photo book before. I think sometimes some of you are so quick to ponce on dude that you are jumping to conclusions. Anyway very few people have the other "books" and they do not document any concert. | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: viewaskew said: ""I wanted to document something that was never done before," he says, pausing at a photo of himself immersed in fog onstage. "I don't expect that record to be broken unless I break it."
What about "Prince Presents The Sacrifice of Victor?" I guess he had nothing to do with that? The revisionist history continues. And the photo of him on the bed? I didn't realize we were going to get CG Prince. i said the same thing that no one seems 2 remember the sacrafice of victor book and hence the photos were taking 4 the come album and the vault
and a poem book was released through 1-800-NEW Funk so this book is nothing new with the only xception being the inclusion of the cd Prince In Hawaii was another photo book and Neo-Manifesto was the book of poetry. They weren't available in general shops is the point I suppose. | |
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laurarichardson said: L4OATheOriginal said: i said the same thing that no one seems 2 remember the sacrafice of victor book and hence the photos were taking 4 the come album and the vault
and a poem book was released through 1-800-NEW Funk so this book is nothing new with the only xception being the inclusion of the cd ----- Maybe I am wrong but when I read the interview I was under the impression that he meant he was putting out the "21 Nights" book to document the concert which had never been done before not that he had never put out a photo book before. I think sometimes some of you are so quick to ponce on dude that you are jumping to conclusions. Anyway very few people have the other "books" and they do not document any concert. the sacrifice of victor documented the act 2 tour in europe and yes it came with one word caption quotes from prince. tho the photos were in black and white, they were beautifully captured. and then there is the book prince released on the npgmc about his stay in hawaii. so it's not like i'm pouncing on him, just documentating that this is nothing new in his career. just that he's got a "major" publisher/distrubutor this time 2 release it doesn't make it his 1st photo/poem book and he should recognize that as well man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: laurarichardson said: ----- Maybe I am wrong but when I read the interview I was under the impression that he meant he was putting out the "21 Nights" book to document the concert which had never been done before not that he had never put out a photo book before. I think sometimes some of you are so quick to ponce on dude that you are jumping to conclusions. Anyway very few people have the other "books" and they do not document any concert. the sacrifice of victor documented the act 2 tour in europe and yes it came with one word caption quotes from prince. tho the photos were in black and white, they were beautifully captured. and then there is the book prince released on the npgmc about his stay in hawaii. so it's not like i'm pouncing on him, just documentating that this is nothing new in his career. just that he's got a "major" publisher/distrubutor this time 2 release it doesn't make it his 1st photo/poem book and he should recognize that as well Read what he said again (and what I said a few posts up). The thing that had never been done before is the 21 straight nights of sellout shows. That is the record he's talking about, the thing that had never been done before, that is what he is commemorating with the book. Prince in no way is suggesting this is the first photo book ever. He certainly knows he's done photo books before himself. [Edited 9/29/08 9:07am] |
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alandail said: L4OATheOriginal said: the sacrifice of victor documented the act 2 tour in europe and yes it came with one word caption quotes from prince. tho the photos were in black and white, they were beautifully captured. and then there is the book prince released on the npgmc about his stay in hawaii. so it's not like i'm pouncing on him, just documentating that this is nothing new in his career. just that he's got a "major" publisher/distrubutor this time 2 release it doesn't make it his 1st photo/poem book and he should recognize that as well Read what he said again (and what I said a few posts up). The thing that had never been done before is the 21 straight nights of sellout shows. That is the record he's talking about, the thing that had never been done before, that is what he is commemorating with the book. Prince in no way is suggesting this is the first photo book ever. He certainly knows he's done photo books before himself. [Edited 9/29/08 9:07am] one can't TRULY say it was 21 nights in a row because if that's the case then, that tour would have been OVER in 3 weeks NOT 2 months man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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Graycap23 said: Ifsixwuz9 said: "Cyberspace "is a black hole to me," he says. "YouTube is the hippest network, and they abuse copyright right and left. You see a song like Purple Rain turned into Pure Cocaine; what should my response be? I chase the money to find out who's behind it. It's a matter of principle. I don't want my music bastardized."
So he didn't ok the use of the Purple Rain sample for that awful rap song like so many here swore that he did. . [Edited 9/26/08 11:41am] Of course he did NOT authorize that non-sense. Oh I never thought he had. But it's just so funny that the knee jerk reaction for so many here automatically thought he did. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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L4OATheOriginal said: alandail said: Read what he said again (and what I said a few posts up). The thing that had never been done before is the 21 straight nights of sellout shows. That is the record he's talking about, the thing that had never been done before, that is what he is commemorating with the book. Prince in no way is suggesting this is the first photo book ever. He certainly knows he's done photo books before himself. [Edited 9/29/08 9:07am] one can't TRULY say it was 21 nights in a row because if that's the case then, that tour would have been OVER in 3 weeks NOT 2 months and Prince would be in a coma from exhaustion. | |
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Nice interview. Some ideas of course you wonder if they will ever come life. The book seems cool, but more of a glorified tour program(like Lovesexy 88).There was some great photography there too! The best portion of the package might be the live CD.
But the comments of politics. If anyone was there, they would recall: While on stage in July 2004,(another year of election) at the Superdome in New Orleans Prince mentioned that voting (for Kerry or Bush) would change little. This was before a crowd of over 50,000 people, mostly African-American attending the Essence festival. It's funny how in years past, a large number of African Americans might have avoided the polls(for whatever reason). This may have resulted in the distrust of the American system. But then again, in the past, a lot of people avoided the polls. Today, considering who is involved in the Final 2 to be President of the United States of America, Prince might not make such statements in the same company. It appears that many in our society believe just you belong to one ethnic group(or do not) you will follow the info suggested in the brochure for your pre-determined leader. Let's keep in mind, that Prince, is from Minnesota, and some may remember, Minnesota was the first State to elect an INDEPENDENT governor. Jesse Ventura. I do not agree with Prince publicly saying he does not or will not vote. It's important that we all are encouraged to become politically involved, not matter if we are Democrat, Independent, or Republican. To some of us, politicians are all the same, no matter if his name is Obama or McCain. I know this and feel this. But for most of us, we cannot isolate ourselves from the rest of world while rest comfortably in a 9 bedroom home while counting stacks of cash. So let's hope that next time Prince will encourage action instead of inaction. Fellow Minnesotan Jesse Ventura might argue against BOTH McCain and Obama, but he knows in the end making a statement(choosing to vote) is the best option. There is more money in boobs than there is in God- Jessica Simpson | |
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MontRoyal said:[quote]Nice interview. Some ideas of course you wonder if they will ever come life. The book seems cool, but more of a glorified tour program(like Lovesexy 88).There was some great photography there too! The best portion of the package might be the live CD.
But the comments of politics. If anyone was there, they would recall: While on stage in July 2004,(another year of election) at the Superdome in New Orleans Prince mentioned that voting (for Kerry or Bush) would change little. This was before a crowd of over 50,000 people, mostly African-American attending the Essence festival. I was at that show. I had to have been looking at Rhonda Smith hard when he said that. Maybe In Prince's case with his wealth the system may not change one way or the other but I think we should vote. If something bad goes down after the election at least nobody can say to us "Tough luck, you should have voted." "The first time I saw the cover of Dirty Mind in the early 80s I thought, 'Is this some drag queen ripping on Freddie Prinze?'" - Some guy on The Gear Page | |
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What u dont vote. and your'e black. man what's the password! . | |
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