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Reply #120 posted 09/26/08 4:04pm

Anxiety

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24 hour prince tv station? That'd be great if he could get it widely carried, including DirecTV

His viewpoint of iTunes is crazy, though. Nothing could make him more money than systematically releasing the contents of the vault through iTunes. All of the music, all of the videos. And it would be far less financially risky than starting an all Prince TV station, which probably wouldn't last longer than 6 months before he pulled the plug.


i've heard other bands complain about how pathetic profits are from iTunes. it would make more sense for him to start another musicology store like he had on the NPGMC site - he'd make more money that way. or he could release a new album digitally on his own site as an "exclusive" and then a month or two later, release the album to stores and iTunes. that way, the fans who are keeping on top of his music will be buying directly from him, and those early sales could build a buzz for more casual listeners who depend on target and iTunes for their music shopping.
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Reply #121 posted 09/26/08 4:13pm

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Celebate my ass! The guy is the biggest poon hound in rock history. He just says that so the JW's won't kick him out or they had him shut up for pr reasons. I haven't heard any news about him visiting houses for the religion, except that one article years ago.

The guy has been seen going into hotels with women. Trusting the tabloids..lol

He wrote a song about Martin King but doesn't vote? Martin King died so you could vote you sorry sack of shit.

People who don't vote should be kicked out of America, period.

This election is too important. Bet he likes Palin as well.

Intelligent design? eat me.

The Devine! Wow, I bet is sounds like something from Diamonds And Pearls...lol You know he always overrates his stuff.

The Real God needs to knock this guy in the beak.


falloff falloff falloff


Princey definitely be lyin'
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Reply #122 posted 09/26/08 4:54pm

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Prince chases the money. How surprising... and him mentioning that the internet is a black hole is kind of funny, because that's exactly how you could describe all of his music post 1988. smile

I have a message for Prince too. There is no God. Deal with it, and face some real issues in life instead of hiding from them with an imaginary God. Thank you. smile
"Don't you think one of the charms of marriage is that it makes deception a necessity for both parties?"
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Reply #123 posted 09/26/08 5:04pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Celebate my ass! The guy is the biggest poon hound in rock history. He just says that so the JW's won't kick him out or they had him shut up for pr reasons. I haven't heard any news about him visiting houses for the religion, except that one article years ago.

The guy has been seen going into hotels with women. Trusting the tabloids..lol

He wrote a song about Martin King but doesn't vote? Martin King died so you could vote you sorry sack of shit.

People who don't vote should be kicked out of America, period.

This election is too important. Bet he likes Palin as well.

Intelligent design? eat me.

The Devine! Wow, I bet is sounds like something from Diamonds And Pearls...lol You know he always overrates his stuff.

The Real God needs to knock this guy in the beak.
Exactly!
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Reply #124 posted 09/26/08 5:17pm

2elijah

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With all those tv apperances and projects he has made over the years.

The video channel sounds promising....it is something that can be done.


Sounds great, I agree. It will probably be a channel viewers can subscribe to. (doubt if it will be free)



The sky is the limit on what can be done with stuff like this in the very recent future.


Actually, there's no limit to the sky, but infinite possibilities no less with whatever he has planned. We shall see Jseven.
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Reply #125 posted 09/26/08 5:25pm

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I can see how it's hard for some people to believe that Prince is celibate, but some of the comments here have been just plain disrespectful.

I'm not a religious person, but I do respect his and anyone Else's choice to practice their religion the way they see fit.

I can see why he has a problem with YouTube, even though I disagree with him.

I doubt I'll buy his book, but I'm definitely anxious to hear a new album or see him on tour.

Again, I don't agree with him on Intelligent Design, but I respect his beliefs as I would hope he would respect mine.

I've read people take Prince to task for not voting, yet making a song about Martin Luther King. Call me crazy, but I thought Martin fought against discrimation. The same thing you're doing when you're attack his religious beliefs and his decision to be celibate.

Whatever Prince chooses to do with his life and his career, I support because it's HIS life, and HIS career!!!

I don't think Prince is a bad person just because he doesn't act the way people want him to.

I've also read someone say that Prince's music hasn't been the same since 1988. That's because he isn't the same person he was in 1988!!!

If you want Prince to act and sound like he did in the 80's then maybe you should watch Purple Rain.
JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!!
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Reply #126 posted 09/26/08 5:39pm

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Ok.cool article. eye beleive him. Even if nobody does. nana
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Reply #127 posted 09/26/08 6:09pm

unkleg

Paris9748430 said:

I can see how it's hard for some people to believe that Prince is celibate, but some of the comments here have been just plain disrespectful.

I'm not a religious person, but I do respect his and anyone Else's choice to practice their religion the way they see fit.

I can see why he has a problem with YouTube, even though I disagree with him.

I doubt I'll buy his book, but I'm definitely anxious to hear a new album or see him on tour.

Again, I don't agree with him on Intelligent Design, but I respect his beliefs as I would hope he would respect mine.

I've read people take Prince to task for not voting, yet making a song about Martin Luther King. Call me crazy, but I thought Martin fought against discrimation. The same thing you're doing when you're attack his religious beliefs and his decision to be celibate.

Whatever Prince chooses to do with his life and his career, I support because it's HIS life, and HIS career!!!

I don't think Prince is a bad person just because he doesn't act the way people want him to.

I've also read someone say that Prince's music hasn't been the same since 1988. That's because he isn't the same person he was in 1988!!!

If you want Prince to act and sound like he did in the 80's then maybe you should watch Purple Rain.


Gotta agree with everything Paris9748430 said (love that song by the way!)

I thought the org was for people who actually LIKE PRINCE! It's easy to be cold towards him because he doesn't say or do things your way, but we don't own him, like he doesn't own us. Just be grateful for the pleasure he has given you in his performance and art. There are some people in the music 'business' who deserve some real disdain, save it for them.
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Reply #128 posted 09/26/08 6:18pm

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L4OATheOriginal said:



it's going 2 b interesting 2 c who will distribute it since he's burned the bridges 2 universal and sony

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I think he might be looking at Best Buy or Target. A lot of artist are doing this now.


but in a way he may b considered the inovator of doing store deals since crystal ball was only in sam goody stores which led 2 the backlash of other retailers not stocking his music in 98. and the rainbow children was in best buy stores a week b4 the official release date because the distributor was linked 2 best buy
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #129 posted 09/26/08 6:19pm

unkleg

...I also think that iTunes may be an easy way distribute music, but it's monopolistic - you have to have music in THEIR format and use THEIR player (though you can work around this). Apple's interest in music stops and starts with the revenue they derive from the iPod. They are no different to the music industry, in their world, they are the music industry.

God bless (yes God) Prince for steering clear.
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Reply #130 posted 09/26/08 6:20pm

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in what way did P burn bridges with Univeral and Sony? I'm out of the loop, last I knew Sony seamed pleased with him


didn't u find it curious that the promotion 4 3121 stopped once universal refused 2 release tamar's album?

and as 4 sony, read this article again where he talks about putting planet earth in the newspaper which infurated Sony 2 not distribute the album in england.

and i don't think sony made all that money off the musicology album since it was included in the price of the tickets 4 that tour compared 2 the version released 2 retailers
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #131 posted 09/26/08 6:22pm

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purplecam said:

laurarichardson said:


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I think he might be looking at Best Buy or Target. A lot of artist are doing this now.

As long as it's not Wal-Mart, then we cool. We don't have a Wal-Mart in NYC (shocking isn't it?) but we have loads of Best Buy's and we have Target's too! smile


there's one in white plains nana lol ..hop ur ass on metro north son
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #132 posted 09/26/08 6:24pm

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This is a very well-written article and the pictures are outstanding...thanks Serpan. hug I love me some Prince, but I am far from being blindly obsessed with him. He proves to be a true Gemini with some of the contradictions painted in this article IMO.

I don't believe in religion, any religion; only a higher power that I refer to as 'God'; and, the simple idea that people should love and respect each other and all of God's creations. God is going to be God whether religion exists forever or disappears tomorrow. I don't like when any person, celebrity or not, insists on mentioning their beliefs without taking into consideration if others want to hear it. There's a fine line between sharing your beliefs and forcing them on people (Tom Cruise and Madonna crossed these lines not to long ago, and Prince ain't far behind them IMO). I don't like when he asks people if they believe in God, because God has different titles throughout the world and he should consider that before posing that question to his diverse group of fans out of respect for those who don't refer to their deity by that moniker.

Honestly, the only thing that religious indidivuals came up with that made any real sense to me was WWJD...What Would Jesus Do? Really, what would Jesus Do? I don't think many of them thought about it before they started printing it on bumper stickers, T-Shirts, and other merchandise. I don't think Jesus would be rollin' around in a over-priced car, wearin' a head-to-toe designer ensemble, and charging people to listen to him speak the Word (then he would be a televangelist neutral ). Nor, do I think that Jesus would be living alone in a 9-bedroom, 30,000 square foot mansion....but I could be wrong. shrug

If people are going to throw out religion and make it seem like because they go to church twice a week, once on Saturday, and 3 times on Sunday, that means that they get an automatic entry pass into heaven, than they need to really think about that acronym...WWJD. Practice what you preach is all I'm sayin. I don't expect Prince to give up all his fame and fortune and live like Mother Theresa, but I don't want him preaching to me if he's not going to live a little more of a humble existence either. Why the hell do you need a 9-bedroom house all to yourself? I'm just sayin'.

Other points of interest for me:

"His mystery is not something he works at. It's who he is."


No that's called 'secrecy', even mysterious people are more open than Prince at some point in their lives and careers.

"I'm single, celibate and sexy," he says with a laugh. "I feel free."


As much tail as this man has had over the years, I wouldn't be surprised if he was actually celibate now...not because he wants to be, but because it's something new to try for a while. Good for him, for keeping it in his pants, if he indeed is keeping it in his pants...that's between him, God, and his bed sheets.

He's as likely to show up on a neighbor's doorstep with a Watchtower Bible as he is to frequent a hot club.


His neighbors would ask him to perform a song, probably 'Purple Rain', and when he refuses, they'll probably slam the door in his face.


"Sometimes fans freak out," he says of his missionary encounters. "It might be a shock to see me, but that's no reason for people to act crazy, and it doesn't give them license to chase me down the street."


falloff He's a well-known celebrity...unfortunately this is inevitable for him and he needs to be happy that his fans don't take his little lawsuits to heart and ignore him.

He turned 50 on June 7, but "being a Jehovah's Witness, I don't celebrate birthdays or holidays. I don't vote."


I don't celebrate birthdays, because I have an awful memory; and, I believe many holidays to be exaggerated so that certain companies can make big profits...Jesus wasn't even born on December 25, but Toys R Us and Hallmark will totally disagree with you on that. The Electoral College vote is the vote used to determine the President. The Popular vote, the vote of the people, is usually just used as a tie-breaker. I learned that in Political Science in 8th grade, so if voting makes people feel like they are doing something great, than more power to them.


Cyberspace "is a black hole to me," he says. "YouTube is the hippest network, and they abuse copyright right and left. You see a song like Purple Rain turned into Pure Cocaine; what should my response be? I chase the money to find out who's behind it. It's a matter of principle. I don't want my music bastardized."


Yet, he wants to make a TV channel, but he's against most of his earlier songs because of their content? confused So, basically, that channel probably won't have that many videos on it.


"His stereo includes the turntable his father gave him as a toddler. He learned to play guitar spinning LPs on it."


To see that he's kept something that his father gave him as a child is soo sweet to me. Seriously, this is the most real and open part of the interview IMHO. He's still a daddy's boy after all these years. mushy


On a love song, his voice takes on yearning as he pines for the feel of a lover's lips and the move of her hips. "That's what happens with years of celibacy," says Prince, survivor of two broken marriages. "It all goes into the music." He pauses. "This time, it has to be the right person."


First, he has to be willing to compromise if he wants to find true love. I love Prince, but Prince seems to not be the type to change his practices for any female. He loves his music and he's a workaholic when it comes to his craft. He can't expect a real woman to give up everything she believes in and follow his practices and he's not willing to do the same. I don't believe real love works like that, but that's just my twocents
Prince Rogers Nelson
Sunrise: June 7, 1958
Sunset: April 21, 2016
~My Heart Loudly Weeps

"My Creativity Is My Life." ~ Prince

Life is merely a dress rehearsal for eternity.
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Reply #133 posted 09/26/08 7:22pm

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If he says he is celebate then the man more than likely is, I pose this question, why, and what reason would he have behind lying about that? Most men would not openly admit to that, think about it.... confuse
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Reply #134 posted 09/26/08 7:23pm

jseven

I don't want 2 dissect everything that Prince wrote and others but have 2 say this:

Perhaps some videos were made on the "cheap" as some1 put it, however, Prince never thought that his songs, his art, needed that 2 million dollar pay roll. Heard how Alphabet St. was made? That was made on the "cheap" but came out kinda brilliant and different than what was going on at the time. Perhaps cheap is not the best word. Prince wanted 2 make it quickly, and did what was best available to him.

The 1999 video 4 xample could come off as cheap, but were set 2 kind of b in a futuristic version of Blade Runner, where perhaps we had a future, but it was a future that was bleak.
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Reply #135 posted 09/26/08 7:26pm

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I guess with maids like her, it is better to keep your dirty mind in hopes she can clean it up 4 you.
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Reply #136 posted 09/26/08 7:27pm

jseven

As 4 some1 else, the director of Kiss was Rebecca Blake as well as Cream & Diamonds & Pearls. Randee Directed The Violet The Organ Grinder video and also directed the Insatiable video.

say, who is that behind the camera in Insatiable? wink
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Reply #137 posted 09/26/08 7:34pm

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serpan99 said:

Prince shows off a different side for '21 Nights'

http://www.usatoday.com/l...htm?csp=34

By Edna Gundersen, USA TODAY

BEVERLY HILLS — Downstairs in a dimly lighted screening room crowded with sofas, Prince leafs through the first authorized book of his career.

"I wanted to document something that was never done before," he says, pausing at a photo of himself immersed in fog onstage. "I don't expect that record to be broken unless I break it."

Just over a year ago, he performed an unprecedented 21 sell-outs in London's 24,000-seat O2 arena, the year's highest-grossing engagement at $22 million.

The residency is chronicled in 21 Nights (Atria Books, $50), a coffee-table tome of Prince's lyrics and poetry and 124 previously unreleased photographs by Randee St. Nicholas, who shadowed His Purple Highness onstage, backstage, on the streets and in his hotel suite at The Dorchester.

Billed as an inner-sanctum invitation, 21 Nights, in stores next week, is hardly a slide show of an unshowered Prince watching pay-per-view in sneakers and beer-stained T-shirts. The style never stops as Prince, his band and his leggy twin dancers are snapped sporting impeccable designer garb in GQ-ready spreads. The shoots were "casual and spontaneous," he says, "but everyone had to be dressed up."

He writes in the book:

Eye'd rather dress 2 make a woman stare

Eye'm puttin' on somethin' that another won't dare

It's a freezer burn compared 2 cool

The Vogue Italia persona is no pose, says Nicholas, director of 150 music videos, the first being Prince's Gett Off in 1991.

"It may be glamorous to others, but that's his comfort zone," she says. "It's not like he changes to go out and be Prince. The guy looks amazing 24 hours a day."

When Prince suggested collaborating on a book, she proposed a fashion-centric chronicle of his London run.

"I knew I'd have him in one city, so he'd show up for photo shoots; he's a very elusive guy," says St. Nicholas, who has photographed music icons Bob Dylan, Diana Ross and Whitney Houston, as well as such Hollywood luminaries as Charlize Theron and Tom Cruise.

Because she shot primarily after hours, "there's a certain mood of isolation," she says. "You get a very intimate look at him by himself. His mystery is not something he works at. It's who he is."


Change of religion, life

Tonight, that mood of isolation permeates Prince's luxurious 30,000-square-foot Tuscan-style villa, perched high in a gated Beverly Hills enclave. The royal one, clad in a filmy white sweater over a black shirt and slacks with (shocker!) flip-flops, lives solo in the nine-bedroom home, where a cook is upstairs preparing food for a post-midnight gathering with friends and bandmates.

"I'm single, celibate and sexy," he says with a laugh. "I feel free."

After being introduced to Jehovah's Witnesses by friend and bass player Larry Graham, Prince converted in 2001. The onetime voracious womanizer who crooned Scandalous, Do It All Night, Sexy MF and Dirty Mind has purged his lyrics of naughty lingo and spends more time proselytizing than partying.

He's as likely to show up on a neighbor's doorstep with a Watchtower Bible as he is to frequent a hot club.

"Sometimes fans freak out," he says of his missionary encounters. "It might be a shock to see me, but that's no reason for people to act crazy, and it doesn't give them license to chase me down the street."

He turned 50 on June 7, but "being a Jehovah's Witness, I don't celebrate birthdays or holidays. I don't vote."

Reviewing a video of the sultry Te Amo Corazon, he points out his limited physical contact with co-star Mía Maestro of The Motorcycle Diaries. "That's another way faith has changed me," he says.

Screening the sensual Somewhere Here on Earth video, Prince admires another shapely love interest and says, "Back in the day, a woman that fine, I would have written some scenes together. But you can't get sexier than this. You sense it in the air."

Prince feels little connection to such past lightning rods as Do Me, Baby and Darling Nikki, which triggered Tipper Gore's warning-label crusade.

"I did the Dirty Mind tour and pushed that envelope off the table. What I didn't do, Madonna finished. I don't want to go back. You have to get out of your own way."

Music remains a passion. Not just a book, 21 Nights is a delivery system for Indigo Nights, a CD tucked inside. The 15 tracks, culled from post-concert club jams, include Delirious, Alphabet Street, covers of Whole Lotta Love and Rock Steady and two songs spotlighting protégé Shelby J.

He's turned down multiple book offers, "but now we have to look at every form of distribution," says Prince, who's exploring a TV channel start-up to unleash his massive video archives.

He's regarded as a maverick for fleeing the label system in favor of innovative distribution. In 2004, he bundled his Musicology album with concert tickets, grossing $85.3 million for 94 sold-out shows. Last year, he struck a deal with U.K. national newspaper The Mail, which included Planet Earth in its July 15 edition, leading Sony to cancel the album's British release.

"We weren't trying to upstage the record company," Prince says. "I just wanted to get new music out. I asked Sony, 'Were you planning to sell 3 million copies in London?' I sold 3 million copies overnight. That's a good, clear business deal."

A '90s contract dispute with Warner Bros. left Prince deeply distrustful of the industry. Today, he acts as his own manager and lawyer. Before last year's O2 residency, he negotiated before agreeing to perform under the arena's product signage.

"I looked at those ads and thought, hmm, Viacom, that's $1 million," he says. "There are all kinds of possible deals artists aren't privy to.

"I love to bring the Bible to the table. I ask if they believe in God, then: 'What kind of business do you want to conduct: transparent or hide the ball?' I'll do tours and albums if the deal is clean."

He'd consider an exclusive pact with a big-box retailer such as Wal-Mart or Target, and he's eyeing another big-city residency. A major label deal? Doubtful.

"Behind closed doors, they'll tell you it's over," he says. Record companies can't profit unless they retain ownership of artists' work, "and that's why labels are in a bad situation. People with content are going to win."

And yet Prince is sitting on loads of content in search of a platform. After blazing a trail online as an independent distributor, he grew disenchanted with the Internet and in 2006 shut down his 5-year-old New Power Generation Music Club. No official Prince sites remain (3121. com consists of a blank screen). Posting Prince content draws cease-and-desist orders.

Cyberspace "is a black hole to me," he says. "YouTube is the hippest network, and they abuse copyright right and left. You see a song like Purple Rain turned into Pure Cocaine; what should my response be? I chase the money to find out who's behind it. It's a matter of principle. I don't want my music bastardized."

He's not impressed by iTunes' terms or sales projections ("They give you a figure that's embarrassing"). While frustrated, Prince resists pessimism.

"I learned from Jehovah's Witnesses that a fatalistic view is counterproductive," he says. "An agent I was talking to earlier today had this viewpoint that someone has to win and someone has to lose. Nobody who thinks like that gets very far. Look at Frazier and Ali. Both of them got something out of that fight. I understand competition, but not the kind where someone has to die or be disenfranchised."


Passion 'all goes into music'

After visiting his library to read Scripture and weigh in on intelligent design, Prince strolls to his bedroom to share tunes that will be released when he determines a distribution route.

"When are we going to get back to the poetry of Smokey Robinson and Bob Dylan?" he says, sitting on the edge of a round bed under a heart-shaped mirror. His stereo includes the turntable his father gave him as a toddler. He learned to play guitar spinning LPs on it.

Right now, he's cranking newly crafted funk-pop-psychedelic wonders Boom, Forever and Dreamer, an ode to Martin Luther King Jr. inspired by discussions with Dick Gregory. He declines to play The Divine, a song so "mind-blowing" he doubts he'll ever release it. "The minute the harmonies hit, I put it away," he says.

On a love song, his voice takes on yearning as he pines for the feel of a lover's lips and the move of her hips. "That's what happens with years of celibacy," says Prince, survivor of two broken marriages. "It all goes into the music." He pauses. "This time, it has to be the right person."

For now, songs offer sufficient companionship. "Music to me is a life force," he says. "It's not what I do. It's what I am."

Photo's by Randee St. Nicholas, Atria Books
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3 cool,
cant wait 4 the new funk.
peace n love yall,
WOLFY razz



That is one of the most romantic pictures I have ever seen, thank God it is immortal so I can recall romance in this world when my heart longs 4 it.
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Reply #138 posted 09/26/08 7:34pm

Anxiety

jseven said:

I don't want 2 dissect everything that Prince wrote and others but have 2 say this:

Perhaps some videos were made on the "cheap" as some1 put it, however, Prince never thought that his songs, his art, needed that 2 million dollar pay roll. Heard how Alphabet St. was made? That was made on the "cheap" but came out kinda brilliant and different than what was going on at the time. Perhaps cheap is not the best word. Prince wanted 2 make it quickly, and did what was best available to him.

The 1999 video 4 xample could come off as cheap, but were set 2 kind of b in a futuristic version of Blade Runner, where perhaps we had a future, but it was a future that was bleak.


you might be on to something.

"sexuality" is probably my favorite prince video because it's so stark and shocking and RIGHT THERE in your face. i can still feel that crazy, almost scary, immediacy in the video, even years later. eek

and is it cheesy? of COURSE it is. but it's a pop music video, not a merchant-ivory drama.

comparatively, some of his bigger budget videos are kinda dull to me. "cream"? technically it looks fantastic, but yawn

of course, i also love the "batdance" and "partyman" videos to death, and those were big-budget city (at least partyman was). shrug
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Reply #139 posted 09/26/08 7:36pm

jseven

There have been times where Prince has used the dreaded "Green Screen" 4 videos, such as U Make My Sun Shine and a few others.

IF a video channel or something like that came 2 fruition what could we expect?

But there r many videos we have never seen which had higher budgets, say like "Walk, Don't Walk" which was shot by Lisa Bonet?

What about the video 4 "A Million Days" shot by Sanaa Hamri?

Perhaps the original video version of "Blue Light", shot at Glam Slam L.A.?

He has stuff we never knew about. Remember that video on NPGMC of "I Like It There"? yea, stuff like that.

This is something several artists are going 2 be able 2 do very easily in a few years, Prince is laying the ground work now and it will take time. 4 other artists in the future, it will be easier than what Prince is doing as he will again be the pioneer.

It will be frustrating 4 fans because it is something being discussed now, but will take time. True, with Prince's patience, u might think he is abandoning the idea. Me? I think Prince has so many ideas that he wants 2 accomplish, y keep ur eye on 1?
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Reply #140 posted 09/26/08 7:37pm

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jseven said:

As 4 some1 else, the director of Kiss was Roberta Blake as well as Cream & Diamonds & Pearls. Randee Directed The Violet The Organ Grinder video and also directed the Insatiable video.


Rebecca Blake.
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Reply #141 posted 09/26/08 7:43pm

jseven

Anxiety said:



you might be on to something.

"sexuality" is probably my favorite prince video because it's so stark and shocking and RIGHT THERE in your face. i can still feel that crazy, almost scary, immediacy in the video, even years later. eek

and is it cheesy? of COURSE it is. but it's a pop music video, not a merchant-ivory drama.

comparatively, some of his bigger budget videos are kinda dull to me. "cream"? technically it looks fantastic, but yawn

of course, i also love the "batdance" and "partyman" videos to death, and those were big-budget city (at least partyman was). shrug



U know, it's like b4 I saw the video 4 Scandalous, all I heard about was how "cheap" it was and how he should have done this and should have done that. I was disapointed and I did not even see the video!

Then I saw the clip a few years later and it did not seem that bad 2 me at all. In fact, whenever I have an admirier of Prince's over, and they want 2 see videos, when that one pops up, u sometimes get a shriek as soon as they hear that doorbell opener.

The idea of just him, in front of a microphone, wearing a seductive color such as red, singing right 2 the camera, u then imagine a female on the other side of the tv sipping on red wine while watching this video. Prince is singing it 2 them.

The simplicity of the video may have been lost on others, and I am sure was not a 2 million dollar production, however, in this video and that moment, it was not needed.
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Reply #142 posted 09/26/08 7:43pm

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24 hour prince tv station? That'd be great if he could get it widely carried, including DirecTV

His viewpoint of iTunes is crazy, though. Nothing could make him more money than systematically releasing the contents of the vault through iTunes. All of the music, all of the videos. And it would be far less financially risky than starting an all Prince TV station, which probably wouldn't last longer than 6 months before he pulled the plug.


i've heard other bands complain about how pathetic profits are from iTunes. it would make more sense for him to start another musicology store like he had on the NPGMC site - he'd make more money that way. or he could release a new album digitally on his own site as an "exclusive" and then a month or two later, release the album to stores and iTunes. that way, the fans who are keeping on top of his music will be buying directly from him, and those early sales could build a buzz for more casual listeners who depend on target and iTunes for their music shopping.





biggrin Exactly

Itunes is nice but yes the profits are crap. Apple's take is waaaaay more than should be allowed but for up and coming artists its a way of being part of one of the largest and more popular distribution outlets. For Prince though...not really needed.

I'm smelling new album here...hope its not another year though.
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Reply #143 posted 09/26/08 7:44pm

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As 4 some1 else, the director of Kiss was Roberta Blake as well as Cream & Diamonds & Pearls. Randee Directed The Violet The Organ Grinder video and also directed the Insatiable video.


Rebecca Blake.


Thank u. Will change.
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Reply #144 posted 09/26/08 7:47pm

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U know, I am going 2 wait til we have a thread about the video idea. Will get lost in the book thread and look 2 discuss it more when it won't get so lost.
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Reply #145 posted 09/26/08 7:55pm

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Anxiety said:



i've heard other bands complain about how pathetic profits are from iTunes. it would make more sense for him to start another musicology store like he had on the NPGMC site - he'd make more money that way. or he could release a new album digitally on his own site as an "exclusive" and then a month or two later, release the album to stores and iTunes. that way, the fans who are keeping on top of his music will be buying directly from him, and those early sales could build a buzz for more casual listeners who depend on target and iTunes for their music shopping.





biggrin Exactly

Itunes is nice but yes the profits are crap. Apple's take is waaaaay more than should be allowed but for up and coming artists its a way of being part of one of the largest and more popular distribution outlets. For Prince though...not really needed.

I'm smelling new album here...hope its not another year though.


i think it's a fine idea for him to put a greatest hits comp on iTunes because people are always going to want stuff like "1999" and "let's go crazy" and he'll always get a stream of piddly to fair profits from such an offering. but yeah, i don't see how iTunes would be profitable at all if someone in prince's position decided to release new material through them.
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Reply #146 posted 09/26/08 8:36pm

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He may have more than enough of it, but it sounds to me like he wants even more money and control... interesting how my version of "The Cross" (beir appropriated) hasn't been taken off youtube yet...

What Prince needs to learn is that he's made his money and that even though iTunes DOES give 'embarrasing' paybacks, there are some developing artists that would kill for the exposure alone... As long as they're exposure is not at Prince's expense hence the youtube 'bastardisation' quote.

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Reply #147 posted 09/26/08 8:41pm

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Anxiety said:

SEXYMF2002 said:






biggrin Exactly

Itunes is nice but yes the profits are crap. Apple's take is waaaaay more than should be allowed but for up and coming artists its a way of being part of one of the largest and more popular distribution outlets. For Prince though...not really needed.

I'm smelling new album here...hope its not another year though.


i think it's a fine idea for him to put a greatest hits comp on iTunes because people are always going to want stuff like "1999" and "let's go crazy" and he'll always get a stream of piddly to fair profits from such an offering. but yeah, i don't see how iTunes would be profitable at all if someone in prince's position decided to release new material through them.



First, while I agree that the profits thru iTunes are not as high as other outlets, in a roundabout way he will still make more money. He will sell more units thru iTunes than his own site, hence make more money (it's apples and oranges because he'd never sell as many units on his own).

Secondly, these pictures (although over-Photoshopped) really look good. I can see bits of Controverys,PR,Parade, and even NPS all in the same month! This man doesn't age. What really stands out is how good he looks lately without a specific "theme" (no purple jacket, no quirky haircuts, no skintight clothing, etc). Just him chillin' and lookin' cool.
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Reply #148 posted 09/26/08 8:47pm

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a couple of comments on here kinda bugged me, and i'm not sure where the actual posts are or who posted them, but the sentiments have been echoed elsewhere by other people well before this interview was published, so i'm speaking more to the comments than to the people who posted them on this thread.

k. that said:

1. it bugs me when people say prince is "copping out" when he says he refuses to vote because his religion preaches against it. there are many religions that make the claim that their followers live in the world but are not necessarily of it. one side of my family is german baptist, and they don't vote. they don't read mainstream media or newspapers, either. i think my grandparents are considered "rebels" because they have a subscription to readers digest. lol but the JW faith is not unique to the practice of not voting, and having been brought up in such a faith, i "get" it, even if it's not a belief that i personally share. voting a man into a position of such power is kind of like choosing a god figure, to put it really simply. and some religions think that is an insult to god, or that it's too dangerously close to serving false idols. i'm sure there's a more proper line of dogma, but hopefully you get the drift. prince has the freedom to vote, sure. but you know what, he has the freedom of religion and the freedom NOT to vote, as well. that doesn't make him a closet neo-con or a lazy hippie. it just makes him someone who follows the rules of a religion he chose to be part of. that's all.

2. on the OTHER hand, i hate when people who DON'T have a moral/spiritual thing against voting opt not to vote because "it doesn't make a difference anyway". actually, that may be true. our votes may mean absolutely nothing. but if that's the case, then nothing BAD is going to happen if i vote just the same as nothing GOOD will happen if i vote. that is, if nothing = nothing, and nothing = the absence of good and/or bad. on the other hand, if my vote DOES mean something by some magical chance, then the effort i made will have paid off for me. if my vote DOES mean something and i do NOT vote, then i screwed myself and i have no right to complain about who got elected. and since i personally don't know if my vote does or does not have value, i don't know if i'd have the right to complain or not if i don't vote, but if i DO vote and someone i don't like is elected, i am guaranteed four years of guilt-free bitching. and that is like gold to me. cloud9

ok, so those are my rants for this thread. thank you, that is all. biggrin
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Reply #149 posted 09/26/08 8:55pm

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It doesn't really bug me that Prince doesn't vote. Voting is a privilege, not a law. If he chooses not to vote, that's his choice. He's still paying taxes and buying American real estate, so he IS contributing.
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