The heck are U talking about? Wrong again. Who told U I cared about his "girlfriends" or what they look like? That's seemingly your primary concern/priority, not mine. Who Prince is intimate with is more than just insignificant, but seriously means absolutely NOTHING (to me anyway). I'm certainly not looking for him or attempting to get in his house, LOL....I'm no longer a little child dreaming about his looks or knowing him personally. It's strictly just about his music/art for me at this point. If I ever post about his "women," it's regarding their MUSICAL relationships with him, not romance. Yes, I've posted about Valente's lacking vocal talent and how ridiculous Prince looks endorsing the woman over other adept singers, but that has nothing to do with her color or the assumption that she's his "girlfriend."

But, if U're referring to me posting about how Prince always overshadows or negates Black artists with a random ambiguously-raced woman, well my input in those discussions are NOT about their color, but ethnicity and his preference for releasing albums for women with non-Black features. And yet, I would classify THAT as considerably nugatory too, 'cause no one's posts here has any affect on his thinking apparently, especially considering his latest protege.

So to again correct your assumption above: Unless I'm reading insightful posts by sapient people, this website is pure trivial amusement for me, and nothing here means "everything" to me.

Well, my post was sarcasm and you took it serious so wutevs. Since we're back on topic, you do care about what his girlfriends er uh proteges look like. You just admitted it by your comments about ambiguously-raced women which is about their color and their features and their hair etc. You said non-black features. what the hell is non-black features?

What exactly is your idea of black? What is your idea of white for that matter? Is Prince non-black? If he is then why is he obligated to showcase women who fit your or anybody's idea of black. Why are we so hung up on what these chicks look like? I guess that's my issue with this thread is that it seems like P's chicks will never be black enuf and I don't know what black enuf is.

Im not defending this Bria heffer either btw, not any day of the week but as far as what she looks like, i think if she looked like Tamar and had the same past and attitude I would still dog her cuz she would be just another mediocre piece of purple ass tryna play singer. And when P was banging Tamar people still had a problem with her cuz of how she looked. Its like the dude can't win in the protege/girlfriend department. Yes its the same thing.

This thread is amusing but also sad cuz some people will never get over color or looks and they seem to think Prince is supposed to be responsible for how we view beauty. As for the music. Hardly any of these chicks P kicks it with are talented save for Tamar and Shelby. Hardly any of P's chicks have long term successful careers save for Sheila and that's cuz she was a talent and working musician in her own right b4 P met her.

Bottom line is, why should we care what these Hos look like when we know they are not going to last, have the talent of hand puppet and are going to get passed on eventually.

P.s. I prefer the word trifling to nugatory. It just sounds more black. that was a joke btw. now lets be friends again shall we

dollwoman said:

No one is saying interracial relationships, "today" don't consent to relationships, of course they do, but it still doesn't discount America's history and the generations of various complected Black Americans that came out of it, nor does it discount, the ever so present racist attitudes that still exist in America today, when it comes to race issues and identity.

Also, in replying to your comment, on the contrary, no one should be forced to put their relatives under the bus, because they are of a darker hue as well, when they have two parents from two different race groups.


In reference to our current President, he specifically stated he is African-American because he identifies with us (Black Americans) more racially/culturally because of the racism and identity issues he experienced as a kid, regardless of the fact that his mother is white. No one is trying to take that away from him, but many Blacks in America can damn well understand where he is coming from when he made that statement, doesn't matter what you and I "think" he should be, .it is what makes him comfortable, and people need to respect that.

He is probably more Black African, race/ethnic wise than the average lighter or darker-skinned African/Black American in America, because his father is in fact Black African from the Kenya group, whereas you would find a "series" of more than one race in your average Black American who does not have a "direct" Black 100% African parent(s), but may have 2 or 3 grandparents back who were actually from an indigenous Black ethnic group. Also, it is possible they may have European and Native American ancestors because of America's history of slavery. Let's also not forget the Black Africans that were also taken to all the islands of the Caribbean including the latin Caribbean, i.e., Puerto Rico, where some of the Black descendants of the Africans and Natives (Indians) share the same relative as the hispanic groups of Puerto Rico.

I recently learned that American Indians from the Apache, Commanche, Cherokee groups and other, various Native Americans during the late 1880s - 1890s, were also shipped to the Caribbean islands to work as slaves. You can talk about the mixed couples of "present" day if you wish, but that Black individual that decides to get into a relationship outside of their race, still does not discount the fact that they have Black African ancestors who were slaves. Is that important to their children regardless of their complexion from that interracial relationship? It is when the kid wants to learn about that Black parent's history, possibly great-grandparents, even if you or anyone else may not think it is of any value to you.


In reading some of these posts on this site, for the past two years regarding the Black American race, it is surprising how much watering down many do to feel more comfort at accepting particular individuals due to the "lightness" of their skin. Suddenly it's okay to take that Blackness away, when less than 50 years ago, whether one was a mixed Black or had two black parents, but still was lighter complected, that "lightness" still didn't get away with getting lynched or giving them a "pass" through the front door or a front seat on the bus, such is the case of "Rosa Parks" who was very much "light-complected" and known to have Native American ancestry, yet she was told to go to the back.

Everyone who has lighter skin does not necessarily mean they have "European" ancestry. That is one of the biggest misconceptions. You really need to research the history of the Sans Bushmen who are Black Africans but many are not of a darker hue, as the assumption one would have of every Black African from Africa. The Sans Bushmen are the oldest living human beings to date, according to anthropologists, genetic scientists and archaeologists, and according to these scholars/educators/scientists, etc., it is said that they hold the facial features of the entire human race. Do the research.

It's the same thing as when people swear up and down that those with darker skin do not have "European" history at first glance, which is a lie. That is the biggest myth. You'd be very shocked and surprised that someone as dark as Chris Rock and Don Cheadle is walking around with European blood in them, but you immediately think right away that anyone "light-complected" have European ancestors, when in fact, many Black Americans also have Native blood in them, so does not always mean that someone lighter complected is of European descent.

People need to remember that thousands of years ago, Black African indigenous tribes moved around all over the world out of Africa, and as they moved from place to place their, complexions, hair textures, physical build, etc., changed due to geographic and climate conditions, and their appearances obviously changed. So basically, when you break the sh*t down, we're all a little "African", just depends if you're from the groups that remained in Africa and those that travelled outside of it. Well, that's all I got for you. You don't have to believe it, but do the research at least. It's been an interesting conversation, and I'm glad we kept "respect" as part of it, but it would take too long for me to continue on this topic, and I've already taken up enough time on this, so that's just about it on this topic. Carry on.
[Edited 5/17/09 17:53pm]

"sigh"

As usual another .org thread has gone all the way to west hell and back barely touching on the point the original poster was trying to make.

As I understood it, the observations were moreso about how Prince has chosen to showcase the various women he has worked with according to their features. The first post in the thread says nothing whatsoever about dating/marrying.

I think most if not all of us can agree that his personal choices are not our business and that he has the right to choose any type of woman he sees fit for a mate or lover, for whatever reason...that wasn't the point.

Being "color-struck" is a dynamic that still exists within our community whether we want to admit it or not. Pretending that Prince is some ethereal being who is somehow unaffected and above such notions is amusing to say the least.

As 2elijah has pointed out, historically the lighter skin and so called good hair= better idea is holdover from the effects of slavery and it still manifests in varying degrees in the black community to this day. It has more to do with how we view ourselves and how we relate to one another than it does with how we relate to other races.

So rather than going around in circles yet again about Prince's personal relationships, (which is crossing the line IMO), why not consider the question of what responsibility, if any, does Prince and others in his position have in portraying an aesthetic that differs from that of the dominant culture?

babynoz said:

The reason this whole Marrying/dating thing keeps coming up is because Prince only showcases those that he wants to marry or date. It is part of his MO. Mayte was not a back-up singer before he got serious about her and I don't think she is pursueing a singing career now. He has no desire to turn his audience on to great singers they otherwise would not know about. If that were the case surely he'd have had a male protege by now. Whether Shelby J ever get a break is not something he cares about. He sang out "A Star is Born" after Shelby J sang on indigo nights. Who thinks he'll sing that after Bria sings in their next concert appearance together? "You have a beautiful voice and I would like to record you" is just a pick-up line to him. He'll never truely showcase an artist male or female that he doesn't want to sack. Unfortunately for Shelby J his tastes are not the same as Robert DeNero. (sorry for spelling).

no DesireeNevermind I stupidly did not write "in the sack". Anyway either way it probably makes sense. Even those who adore him have to admit he doesn't seem to run very deep in the love department. Of cours I DO NOT KNOW this for a fact it just seems he bores eventually with all of his "soul mates". He complained on Future Baby Mama on the lack of a strong foundation. Well he's half of the digging team. I live in New England so I am analysing him from a very long distance, and true I do not KNOW, the man. But does he not seem to get these "fabulous" vocalists/proteges in the sack and eventually sack them?

I just say that thick lips and wide noses are not physical traits specific to black folk. Asians also have wide noses and Japan/China are among the nose job capitals of the world...next is Iran. Thick lips are prevalent among Jews and many Chinese and Laotians have them too. Aboriginal Australians have wide noses, big lips and often times naturally Blonde hair!

I don't believe in a typical black look and a mixed look to me just means you can't readily identify a person's heritage or that person looks like many ethnicities. I think every ehtnic group has beauty...its the attitudes that make people ugly. With that said, Prince has dated some really beautiful women and some really ugly women.

dollwoman said:

true true...but when you consider that he gets them very young, with the exception of Bria, before they've had a chance to discover themselves and their own wants/desires/needs outside of Prince's influence, its no wonder boredom sets in. You get this pretty young thing that adores you. You get to make her into what you want her to be. She grows up. She begins to question her maker. She is no longer under your control. You are no longer infatuated. Such is the imploding romantic world of Prince.

babynoz said:

The reason this whole Marrying/dating thing keeps coming up is because Prince only showcases those that he wants to marry or date. It is part of his MO. Mayte was not a back-up singer before he got serious about her and I don't think she is pursueing a singing career now. He has no desire to turn his audience on to great singers they otherwise would not know about. If that were the case surely he'd have had a male protege by now. Whether Shelby J ever get a break is not something he cares about. He sang out "A Star is Born" after Shelby J sang on indigo nights. Who thinks he'll sing that after Bria sings in their next concert appearance together? "You have a beautiful voice and I would like to record you" is just a pick-up line to him. He'll never truely showcase an artist male or female that he doesn't want to sack. Unfortunately for Shelby J his tastes are not the same as Robert DeNero. (sorry for spelling).

And kissing his ass....Prince is a colorstruck jerk,I'm sick of ya'll not calling him on it.
Because Bria has "good hair" and light skin,she gets all this attention,he "flaunts" her,and is part of the 3-cd set,talent or not.
Chelsea Rodgers-who looks like that-gets a website,models in perfume ads,get a song with her first & last name in the title,AND if that's not enough,he goes on & on at his site about how he can't help but stare cause she's supercute.
He takes the Twinz to the fashion shows....more flaunting.

Now,hmmm,let's see what did Tamar & Shelby J. get?
Oh,they get to sing with him.but that's basically it.
They have to know how to REALLY SANG,cause he isn't going to have any other use for them,but Bria doesn't have to have a strong voice,her album comes out anyway,but Tamars' didn't.
Tamar and Shelby don't get called supercute as far as I know,and he hasn't done anything else to glorify their kind of beauty.

Don't forget he had a black girlfriend in high school(Kim Upsher,anyone?)but soon as he became famous,those kind of women aren't good enough to have on his arm anymore.

He's sending us a message,stop actin like ya'll don't see it..Latin,Arab,Indian,bi or multiracial is fine,but if your racial makeup dosen't give you flowy hair down to your waist,stay back,I'm too fine for you.