XxAxX said:

morningsong said:

Given the circumstances.


The fact that the farm pigs are survivors on their own is amazing, not even dogs are making it seems in large numbers, the pigs in that area seem to be thriving all by themselves.

The horses, just keep them away from Rick and 'em and they'll be fine.

it's sort of surprising that zombies haven't munched off all the wildlife yet. environmentally speaking, what would be the effect of a superhorde of walkers???

wouldn't they be like locusts an eat everything in their path? squirrels, rabbits, wolves, coyotes, cows, bears... then again, most living things should be able to outrun those messes...

I would think wildlife would fair much better. But listening to Ezekiel, Shiva was the only surviving animal in the zoo. So I'm assuming the more domesticated animals found it harder to survive. I would assume dogs would be the most likely to survive but I guess their close allience with humans makes it difficult if they try to protect their owners in these unusual conditions. Cats should be able to survive because of small rodents and their own independence. Cows are toast, no defense. Pigs I guess are closer to the ground, harder to catch, and are omnivorous, the fact they can eat the walkers like dogs was crazy, but I guess that makes sense.

XxAxX said:

djThunderfunk said:

No love for the tiger?

of course i love the tiger! she's adorable in an i can take care of myself kind of way.

214 said:

namepeace said:

Ezekiel's master plan is already working. The evidence is there on the hand of the Savior who flipped Richard(?) off after getting a few free shots.

The pigs are his way of killing the Saviors off.

Why?. I already have fallen for King Ezekiel, he seems like a great guy. I'm in love with Carol, to me the best character.

He knows the Saviors are terrifying, have numbers, and will destroy the Kingdom eventually. He hopes that he can infect enough of them to lower their numbers.

I'm having a hard time cutting and pasting links but please Google "Ezekiel poison Saviors Walking Dead" you'll see that theory is gaining traction. If you watch the episode again, look at the hand of the Savior who got the free punches in on Ezekiel's guy, as he's flipping him the bird. You can see a little infection on his hand I think.

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My favorite scene


Shiva's such a sweety.

morningsong said:

My favorite scene


Shiva's such a sweety.

Yes, it was beautiful.

XxAxX said:

morningsong said:

morningsong said: And pigs kicking walker tail. Yep I've seen it all now.

that was sad. animals don't seem to fare very well on TWD. i'm already worrying about what will happen to all those horses....

Still getting over Tabitha

XxAxX said:

A true darling.

kpowers said:

XxAxX said:

that was sad. animals don't seem to fare very well on TWD. i'm already worrying about what will happen to all those horses....

Still getting over Tabitha

If she hadn't have been tied up she'd of been fine.

kpowers said:

XxAxX said:

that was sad. animals don't seem to fare very well on TWD. i'm already worrying about what will happen to all those horses....

Still getting over Tabitha

yeah. poor Tabitha. i'm afraid a superhorde of walkers would be able to surround even speedy little creatures like rabbits and coyotes and dogs and just chow down on them. even a bear could be taken down by a huge crowd of walkers.

as for the domesticated critters like morningsong points out domestication would not work in their favor. so how has the wildlife been faring? have any other animals besides humans been infected? will the virus cross over to the swine population? fearful minds want to know!

and yes hopefully there aren't any nasty horse-eating scenes upcoming

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hopefully we will check in on Daryl and some of our other friends at alexandria this evening. see how dude's doing. think he'll be wearing irons and all that?? what's negan doing to him

yeah Daryl. poor dude.

and what's this? dwight's stealing food from negan on the side?

DiamondsnPearls44 said:

Poor Daryl...that song is enough to torture anybody.

oh man!!

DiamondsnPearls44 said:

Daryl should've killed Dwights ass in the woods. They always come back.

i dunno. i see dwight's character more clearly and imo it isn't impossible that he and Daryl could end up working together against negan. just because negan stole dwight's 'super hot' wife

XxAxX said:

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/11/06/walking-dead-norman-reedus-daryl-the-cell-season-7-episode-3 (continued at link)

TV | The Walking Dead

The Walking Dead: Norman Reedus explains Daryl's big choice

by Dalton Ross • @DaltonRoss

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Posted November 6 2016 — 10:00 PM EST

SPOILER ALERT: Read on only if you have watched Sunday’s episode of The Walking Dead, “The Cell.”

“Daryl.” If anyone ever doubted the strength of The Walking Dead’s Daryl Dixon (Norman Reedus), that doubt was erased with that very word. All Daryl had to do was pledge his loyalty by saying “I’m Negan” in exchange for avoiding further torture and instead becoming a top lieutenant in Negan’s army while getting all the perks and benefits that come with it. But when the time came to choose his fate, Daryl refused, citing his own name instead before being taken back to his cell.

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It was big statement in a big episode for Daryl. We spoke to Reedus to get his take on everything from that critical choice to that surprising nude scene. We also asked the actor about his character’s emotional breakdown after viewing that gruesome Polaroid and Daryl’s unique relationship with his tormentor, Dwight. (Also make sure to check out our interview with the man wh...tin Amelio.)

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: The first time we see Daryl he’s naked in this cell. I gotta know: How cold were you in there, my man?
NORMAN REEDUS: Yeah, it was cold. I won’t lie. But it was really dirty more than anything. It was weird to sit on that floor butt naked. I mean, I was totally naked, so it was rough.

You mentioned it was dirty, and they love to make you guys dirty on this show, but I’m not sure we’ve ever seen you as dirty as we did here. Were they just adding filth and grime to you constantly?
Addison, our makeup dude, he was just constantly pouring makeup on me. Yeah, that was I think one of the filthiest I’ve ever been on this show, if not the filthiest. I mean, I’m very happy to be out of those sweatpants and that sweatshirt — that jail suit that they gave me. It was just itchy and horrible. It was gross.

We see Daryl being tortured via this terribly peppy music he has to listen to. Did they play that for you at all on set? Did you know what song would be playing?
No, I haven’t seen the episode. I don’t know what song they used. I know it was originally written as a children’s song, a little children’s song, but they couldn’t get it. I think it’s very difficult to get music rights in a torture scene.

This whole episode is a big battle of wills and really the juxtaposition between Daryl and Dwight. And there’s that exchange early on where Daryl says, “I ain’t never gonna kneel.” Dwight goes, “Yeah, I said that too.” And you reply, “Yeah, I know.” Dwight wants to break Daryl to justify his own decision to bow down, but does Daryl look at Dwight here as the exact example of what he never wants to become?
I think you’re exactly right. There is sort of this Bizarro World thing going on between the two of us in this episode. Remember, he met him before, and he seemed like he could’ve been a good guy, and he’s turned out to be a slave to Negan and does whatever he says. And I think Dwight, looking back at that, he wishes he could rewind and start over, and I think that there’s something good in Dwight that Daryl sees, but it’s a tiny sliver now. Now I think he just wants to kill him.

But he has that scene at the end where Daryl tells Dwight, “I get why you did it. Why you took it. You were thinking about someone else. That’s why I can’t.” So he understands why Dwight went down that road, right?
Of course, and that’s a noble thing to do, but it’s the same reason why Daryl can’t do what Dwight does.

I love the two big scenes we have between Daryl and Negan, because the first time after he is caught trying to escape, Daryl is very defiant and doesn’t even flinch when Negan winds up to hit him with Lucille right in the face. The second scene is a bit different in that we see you flinching a bit whenever Negan starts waving the bat around, and we think maybe Daryl’s gonna break, before he says he’s Daryl, and not Negan. Is there ever a moment where he’s tempted or thinking of taking the deal? What’s going through his head there?
First off, in that first scene, even being in that jail cell, Daryl’s thinking he deserves it. Like, whatever happens to him, he deserves it, but he can’t say he’s Negan because it would give up all of the hope that Glenn had. Glenn was this optimistic guy. He was his friend. He’s done so much and that’s the last thread of humanity that he has left, is saving face for his friend. It’s as much for Glenn as it is for Daryl, you know? That’s the last thing he has left.

Is there a part of Daryl that just wants Negan to end it? Especially that first time when he just comes at him with that bat and Daryl doesn’t flinch at all. Is there just part of him that’s just ready for it to be over?
No, Daryl’s a fighter. He fights to the end, but in saying out loud his name instead of Negan’s name — it’s the last shred of himself that he has and for his friends. I assume he thinks he’s going to get killed right there when he says he’s not Negan. He’s signing up for more torture, but he’s doing it for the love of his friend.

He can’t say that he’s Negan. He’ll never do that. He’ll fight, but matters of the heart to Daryl are hard. They mean more. Hit him in the face with the bat. String him up. Feed him dog food. Whatever. He can handle that, but when it comes to matters of the heart, they’re hard for him, and he’s learning, and those are the things that give him faith and hope, and he can’t let go of that, because that’s the last thing he has left.

What about that scene where Dwight puts the Polaroid in Daryl’s cell, and we really see you lose it? How did you get yourself into that place to just let it all go there?
I think part of me’s always teetering on that edge every single day, to be honest, but you just go back. You just feel it. You get in the fetal position, and you just go there. I think early on in this show, I would play a song, and I would get it in my head. I think being on the show this long, there’s just a switch. You just hit a switch, and you go there. It’s always stored in the back of your head, and it’s not hard to go there. It’s harder to stop. It’s harder to come back than it is to go there sometimes. It’s not a trick or anything like that. You go there at 1 p.m., and you just kind of snap out of it at about 6. Just stay like that, pretty much.

That sounds like a pretty terrible day.
It sucks. I’m not kidding; it’s no fun, but I’m not that kind of an actor that can get up and have a Coke and talk to people and just go back. I mean, I’m not Meryl Streep. You know what I mean? I just have to go suffer until it’s over and then leave. I’m not that good turning it on and off. I do have to give a shout-out to the crew, because it’s such a comfortable set, and everybody trusts each other there, that they allow you to do stuff like that. They don’t talk and crack jokes in the jail cell. It’s a very serious set, and everybody wants the best thing to end up on the TV show. So they allow you to go there, and it’s almost like this sort of support group. They’re very respectful of all the actors on the set, and so I don’t think it would be as easy with a different crew.

I know you guys are sort of getting close to winding down this season filming. Obviously, we don’t want to know anything in terms of what you’re filming, but what’s that like seeing the light at what’s been, at least so far, a very dark tunnel?
It’s been a very emotional season for everybody. It’s a different season. I mean, we saw last week there’s some fun things, but it’s also very serious, and then it’s a very dark, dark season, and hopefully there is light at the end of that tunnel. You have to be broken way down to be able to go way up, and I think that’s kind of what this season is about.

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after the slow 2nd episode i really enjoyed episode 3

all i can say is this is what i though about....

DiamondsnPearls44 said:

Poor Daryl...that song is enough to torture anybody.

Hell yes!

Revolution said:

Slow episode

I'd have to disagree. This show isn't about slashing zombies and fighting each other all the time. The real story is the fight inside. The struggle to stay human, literally and figuratively, to create a new normal, and to not lose yourself to primal fears or urges. In a way, walkers aside, this is really a retelling of early settlers in America. No real government, outlaws all around, people lived in fear of being killed, or starving to death. We don't really see while animals, but we have walkers. It's kind of like the 21st century pilgrims again, except they aren't raping and murdering the folks who were already here first. But I digress...

Ep 2 and 3 aren't slow at all. Last week was a welcome reprieve from the gut-wrenching episode 1. Episode 3, this week, was really what we've been wanting to see. What did happen to Daryl? We sorta know what Rick and everyone might be doing. But Daryl was a mystery. If there was ever going to be a battle of wills, it would have to include Daryl and Negan right now, and we're seeing that. We're seeing Negan's arrogance and far-reaching control over his people. This is evidenced in Dwight pushing Gordon back to home base, despite him being far outside the sanctuary. He could have just let him go, but he didn't. They both know the whole thing is bullshit, but Dwight sees no other choice. And the fact that he let Gordon get turned into a walker shows he has a side that just doesn't give a shit. It battles his other side that probably wants to just cut Negan's head off. It's also evidenced by Negan talking about Dwight's wife, etc., right in front of him, and belittling Dwight in the process. Dwight is seen as a lapdog at that point, and everyone in the room knows it. I wonder if Negan is eventually going to kill Dwight. Dwight always exhibits signs that he's more unhappy being around Negan than happy being alive.

It's really good story telling, and sometimes TWD has depended on slashing zombies too much. Not often, but there have been lazy moments. These parts where we see Carol calling out Ezekiel by a face glance only, or Daryl suffering through Alpo sliders and "Easy Street" from The Collapsable Hearts Club are really mental, and frankly, it's what we truly do love about TWD. It can't always be about Rick & the gang trying to outfox someone, dispatching Daryl and MIchonne to do something and circle back when it's over. The brilliance of season 5 (I think) is that it was basically the same day every week, but told from a different character's point of view. The horn on the semi, where did it come from and why? How did that play out with everything else? You realize by the end of the season that it was all the same day basically, and how it all came together.

So I'd have to say the episodes aren't slow. They're giving us exactly what we want and need in a story.

PS An interesting point brought up on Talking Dead. Did Dwight shoot Gordon as a mercy killing? Was it Dwight's humanity that ultimately put the bullet in Gordon's back? It was a test from Negan to bring Gordon back, and Dwight had to do it. He feared for his life. But is there still enough humanity left in Dwight that while Gordon actually pled for Dwight to kill him, Dwight found a compromise for both?

Or did he shoot him in the back because he was too much of a coward to shoot him in the face?

this is an interesting point of view about Daryl's character reaching a breaking point


http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/11/walking-dead-daryl-dixon-the-cell-season-7-episode-3

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The Walking Dead Might Finally Break Daryl Dixon

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Sunday’s installment of The Walking Dead gave fans a good look at two things: Dwight’s fascinating sandwich of choice, and Daryl’s psyche. (O.K., and also, Daryl’s exceedingly grimy body and some interesting dynamics that might come into play later this season.)

But definitely, the most fascinating parts of this episode were that sandwich and Daryl’s guilt over getting Glenn killed. And if I had to pick one, I’d have to go with Daryl—because after three seasons of aimlessness, it seems The Walking Dead has hit the reset button on Daryl. Will this season finally deliver the character development Daryl has needed for so long?

Here’s your usual spoiler warning. If you haven’t watched “The Cell,” now is the time to leave. (Just F.Y.I., prepare to have this song stuck in your head.)

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TrivialPursuit said:

Revolution said:

Slow episode

I'd have to disagree. This show isn't about slashing zombies and fighting each other all the time. The real story is the fight inside. The struggle to stay human, literally and figuratively, to create a new normal, and to not lose yourself to primal fears or urges. In a way, walkers aside, this is really a retelling of early settlers in America. No real government, outlaws all around, people lived in fear of being killed, or starving to death. We don't really see while animals, but we have walkers. It's kind of like the 21st century pilgrims again, except they aren't raping and murdering the folks who were already here first. But I digress...

Ep 2 and 3 aren't slow at all. Last week was a welcome reprieve from the gut-wrenching episode 1. Episode 3, this week, was really what we've been wanting to see. What did happen to Daryl? We sorta know what Rick and everyone might be doing. But Daryl was a mystery. If there was ever going to be a battle of wills, it would have to include Daryl and Negan right now, and we're seeing that. We're seeing Negan's arrogance and far-reaching control over his people. This is evidenced in Dwight pushing Gordon back to home base, despite him being far outside the sanctuary. He could have just let him go, but he didn't. They both know the whole thing is bullshit, but Dwight sees no other choice. And the fact that he let Gordon get turned into a walker shows he has a side that just doesn't give a shit. It battles his other side that probably wants to just cut Negan's head off. It's also evidenced by Negan talking about Dwight's wife, etc., right in front of him, and belittling Dwight in the process. Dwight is seen as a lapdog at that point, and everyone in the room knows it. I wonder if Negan is eventually going to kill Dwight. Dwight always exhibits signs that he's more unhappy being around Negan than happy being alive.

It's really good story telling, and sometimes TWD has depended on slashing zombies too much. Not often, but there have been lazy moments. These parts where we see Carol calling out Ezekiel by a face glance only, or Daryl suffering through Alpo sliders and "Easy Street" from The Collapsable Hearts Club are really mental, and frankly, it's what we truly do love about TWD. It can't always be about Rick & the gang trying to outfox someone, dispatching Daryl and MIchonne to do something and circle back when it's over. The brilliance of season 5 (I think) is that it was basically the same day every week, but told from a different character's point of view. The horn on the semi, where did it come from and why? How did that play out with everything else? You realize by the end of the season that it was all the same day basically, and how it all came together.

So I'd have to say the episodes aren't slow. They're giving us exactly what we want and need in a story.

Exactly, you miss the whole point if you think it's about just killing zombies.

Been enjoying the new season so far. Haven't read the the comics, so I don't know shit about what will happen, but I do like that they have hinted at Dwight being more than a complete shit-heel. I think we'll see him do good at some point. Still waiting for Carol to be made President of zombie-land!