Marrk said:

Just been on in the UK. Avoided spoilers. Good grief it was so harrowing to watch.

It really was...the worst tv episode Ive ever seen...way too graphic

DiamondsnPearls44 said:

IstenSzek said:

sweet jesus that was intense my heart was racing all through the episode.

only thing that kept me from crying was imagining rick and negan f*cking. you
know, since negan dragged rick into the camper there was this voice inside me
that kept whispering 'ooh here it comes, this is gonna be hot'

that's probably more sick than the episode itself. but hey, it got me through it

now i just need carol to get herself together and come barging in, kicking all
sorts of saviour ass.

say what so Negan and Rick is hot to ya

i'm a mess nurse, i'm just one big ol' mess

IstenSzek said:

DiamondsnPearls44 said:

say what so Negan and Rick is hot to ya

i'm a mess nurse, i'm just one big ol' mess

A lovely mess though I actually liked what you said

DiamondsnPearls44 said:

How in the hell did Negan blame Daryl for Glenn's death on talking dead JDM is a trip

That funny note was brought up because it could be construed that if Daryl had not jumped up & hit Negan, then Negan wouldn't have reacted and killed Glenn as a punishment. They almost killed Daryl, but Negan liked something about him, and spared him. But Negan had to stick to his guns and his word, and because Daryl broke the rules of no talking or whatever, then Glenn suffered for it.

DiamondsnPearls44 said:

Marrk said:

Just been on in the UK. Avoided spoilers. Good grief it was so harrowing to watch.

It really was...the worst tv episode Ive ever seen...way too graphic

Child, it is the zombie apocalypse. These people aren't glamping. Shit's gonna happen, go down, and get fucked up. Eating a pregnant woman, or decapitating people isn't too graphic? It's been harsh since day one. Wait until Rick eventually kills Negan - that's gonna be bloody, too.

DiamondsnPearls44 said:

IstenSzek said:

i'm a mess nurse, i'm just one big ol' mess

A lovely mess though I actually liked what you said

This time around, they crossed the line, it was far too explicit, it was too much for me. i can't believe that bastard killed Glenn, was a shock.

lots of fans are swearing off the show, following last night; check the comments:

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/the-walking-dead-recap-a-whole-new-world-063824575.html

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Steve S

13 hours ago

They blew this one It was so gory the women in my household watching it walked away and had enough when they were bout to chop of the kids arm.

Michael R

14 hours ago

Took the show too far last night. One killing was enough but went over the top. Do not care for the reset so won't watch anymore. It was good while it lasted.

Joshua S

14 hours ago

So glad I don't watch this show anymore. Faithful fan since the very first episode but no more.

Wow...I just rewatched it and the killing of Glenn was just extra vicious...truly saddened by that. I know its just a show, but that was a lil much.

214 said:

This time around, they crossed the line, it was far too explicit, it was too much for me. i can't believe that bastard killed Glenn, was a shock.

agreed

TrivialPursuit said:

DiamondsnPearls44 said:

How in the hell did Negan blame Daryl for Glenn's death on talking dead JDM is a trip

That funny note was brought up because it could be construed that if Daryl had not jumped up & hit Negan, then Negan wouldn't have reacted and killed Glenn as a punishment. They almost killed Daryl, but Negan liked something about him, and spared him. But Negan had to stick to his guns and his word, and because Daryl broke the rules of no talking or whatever, then Glenn suffered for it.

Yeah I was just making a joke about how easily he blamed Daryl on the show...but I know

TrivialPursuit said:

DiamondsnPearls44 said:

It really was...the worst tv episode Ive ever seen...way too graphic

Child, it is the zombie apocalypse. These people aren't glamping. Shit's gonna happen, go down, and get fucked up. Eating a pregnant woman, or decapitating people isn't too graphic? It's been harsh since day one. Wait until Rick eventually kills Negan - that's gonna be bloody, too.

I know its gonna be even more gruesome.

IstenSzek said:

DiamondsnPearls44 said:

A lovely mess though I actually liked what you said

XxAxX said:

lots of fans are swearing off the show, following last night; check the comments:

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/the-walking-dead-recap-a-whole-new-world-063824575.html

Too dark this episode...and too many axe fakes made it hard to watch....We better get a few relieving episodes now, or i'm done with the show.

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Steve S

13 hours ago

They blew this one It was so gory the women in my household watching it walked away and had enough when they were bout to chop of the kids arm.

Michael R

14 hours ago

Took the show too far last night. One killing was enough but went over the top. Do not care for the reset so won't watch anymore. It was good while it lasted.

Joshua S

14 hours ago

So glad I don't watch this show anymore. Faithful fan since the very first episode but no more.

wow...it disturbed alot of people

I guess I'm not understanding how people are saying that this episode was extremely violent. I've seen much more violent and disturbing television and movies than what was featured in TWD.

214 said:

This time around, they crossed the line, it was far too explicit, it was too much for me. i can't believe that bastard killed Glenn, was a shock.

come on we all knew this was coming... and there have been plenty of just as gross things in the show before.

(in the following the use of YOU is in general for people mad that the show is not for kids)

what is funny is how some silly parent group is all it a tizz over this! Huh.... if you do not know by now what the show is, if you ignored the full screen warning, if you ignored the rating box, if you were not monitoring what your kids watch, if you chose to NOT block that show, channel, or shows with the MA ratings... and your kid watched the show! That is YOUR FAULT!

I'm curious what they've been watching for six years. THIS is the show. It's also the source material.

Anybody acting all shocked and/or disgusted just now must not have been paying attention.

djThunderfunk said:

I'm curious what they've been watching for six years. THIS is the show. It's also the source material.

Anybody acting all shocked and/or disgusted just now must not have been paying attention.

Exactly.

DiamondsnPearls44 said:

Marrk said:

Just been on in the UK. Avoided spoilers. Good grief it was so harrowing to watch.

It really was...the worst tv episode Ive ever seen...way too graphic

To be fair, they're only being faithful to what was on the page of the original comic. I appreciate them being faithful to the source material in that respect. And the impact was needed to make this a true 'before and after' event for the show.

And Fox did give the "Warning - This show contains violent content that some viewers may find disturbing" ... but most people go "Yeah yeah, whatever" ... can't really then moan when the show turns out to contain violent content that some find disturbing

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djThunderfunk said:

Great episode!

I've read every issue of the comic and been a fan of the show from the start and I rate this episode among the best.

As much as I'm a fan, I've never been to a TWD fansite or forum, so, looking to see what people are saying about it I made the mistake of checking the comments at A/V Club & IMDB. What a fking mistake that was...

Everybody I know who watches the show knows what they're in for and loves it. So, I was surprised to see almost universal negativity among the commenters at those two sites. So many people complaining about a death that happens almost exactly as it did in the source material. In my opinion the comics are so much better than the show and the closer they align, the better.

I'm thinking the commentors at AV/Club are all 15-25 year old hipsters that guage their "coolness" by how much they hate that which most love. Am I off-base here?

Wondering, is there anyone here that is "done with the show" because of this episode?
If so, have you read the source material?

I've gotta say, Negan and Jeffrey Dean Morgan are the best thing about this show so far...

[Edited 10/24/16 7:46am]

You're not alone my friend. I've been following the comic and the show both since day one, and I loved the episode last night. JDM is the best addition to the show so far, he just lights up the screen whenever he speaks, amazing delivery of the script.

We made an evening of it last night (in the UK here), with my missus, my bro and my sis, and some friends. We rewatched the season six finale, then the new episode, then the Talking Dead special. We all agreed, the new episode was brilliant. Fun watching it with a group to, we were flinching all over the place and shouting at the TV!

You've hit the nail on the head re. alot of people jumping on the 'cool' bandwagon of bashing a show that alot of people love. Seems more 'hip' to be a Contrary Mary these days. I gave up trying to have any sort of constructive debate with people like that ages ago and avoid such websites. Their loss at the end of the day!

DiamondsnPearls44 said:

How in the hell did Negan blame Daryl for Glenn's death on talking dead JDM is a trip

He's like a "heel" in pro wrestling.

missfee said:

I guess I'm not understanding how people are saying that this episode was extremely violent. I've seen much more violent and disturbing television and movies than what was featured in TWD.

I've watched the entire series so far, and this was by far the most violent and disturbing event in the series (yes I know they matched the comics). But it also out does any Scorcese movie and most movies for me too (of course there is "Irreversible"... shudder... and also "Trouble Every Day".... double shudder)

The reason that it's more intense: The acting and filmmaking was top notch, and the roots of the scene go back to season 1 (the relationship between the two characters, the romance). I can't tell you how good I think the direction and acting was. It's tough faking that kind of intensity in that kind of contrived fictional situation.

So, I think what some people are wondering, is; what is the worth of this comic and show in terms of human culture... is it good entertainment or is it the modern equivalent of Roman collosseum spectacles of human suffering? Remember, at one time that was mainstream entertainment for the people!

ufoclub said:

missfee said:

I guess I'm not understanding how people are saying that this episode was extremely violent. I've seen much more violent and disturbing television and movies than what was featured in TWD.

I've watched the entire series so far, and this was by far the most violent and disturbing event in the series (yes I know they matched the comics). But it also out does any Scorcese movie and most movies for me too (of course there is "Irreversible"... shudder... and also "Trouble Every Day".... double shudder)

The reason that it's more intense: The acting and filmmaking was top notch, and the roots of the scene go back to season 1 (the relationship between the two characters, the romance). I can't tell you how good I think the direction and acting was. It's tough faking that kind of intensity in that kind of contrived fictional situation.

So, I think what some people are wondering, is; what is the worth of this comic and show in terms of human culture... is it good entertainment or is it the modern equivalent of Roman collosseum spectacles of human suffering? Remember, at one time that was mainstream entertainment for the people!

i think the superbowl proves we are open to at least some gladiator style sports and entertainment

ufoclub said:

missfee said:

I guess I'm not understanding how people are saying that this episode was extremely violent. I've seen much more violent and disturbing television and movies than what was featured in TWD.

I've watched the entire series so far, and this was by far the most violent and disturbing event in the series (yes I know they matched the comics). But it also out does any Scorcese movie and most movies for me too (of course there is "Irreversible"... shudder... and also "Trouble Every Day".... double shudder)

The reason that it's more intense: The acting and filmmaking was top notch, and the roots of the scene go back to season 1 (the relationship between the two characters, the romance). I can't tell you how good I think the direction and acting was. It's tough faking that kind of intensity in that kind of contrived fictional situation.

So, I think what some people are wondering, is; what is the worth of this comic and show in terms of human culture... is it good entertainment or is it the modern equivalent of Roman collosseum spectacles of human suffering? Remember, at one time that was mainstream entertainment for the people!

At the end of the day, this is a horror show about people trying to survive in a post-zombie apocalypse. Not the kind of entertainment most people who are looking for "culture" go to. No?

That said, the show is much deeper than those labels I used and in my opinion does have something to offer in terms of the characters struggling with humanity, and how it applies it this world in which they inhabit. These kind of shocking moments set up the stakes for the characters and should be expected from the genre. They've had these moments before and they will again. Anybody who can't stand to see their favorite character brutally killed off shouldn't watch anyway.

djThunderfunk said:

ufoclub said:

I've watched the entire series so far, and this was by far the most violent and disturbing event in the series (yes I know they matched the comics). But it also out does any Scorcese movie and most movies for me too (of course there is "Irreversible"... shudder... and also "Trouble Every Day".... double shudder)

The reason that it's more intense: The acting and filmmaking was top notch, and the roots of the scene go back to season 1 (the relationship between the two characters, the romance). I can't tell you how good I think the direction and acting was. It's tough faking that kind of intensity in that kind of contrived fictional situation.

So, I think what some people are wondering, is; what is the worth of this comic and show in terms of human culture... is it good entertainment or is it the modern equivalent of Roman collosseum spectacles of human suffering? Remember, at one time that was mainstream entertainment for the people!

At the end of the day, this is a horror show about people trying to survive in a post-zombie apocalypse. Not the kind of entertainment most people who are looking for "culture" go to. No?

That said, the show is much deeper than those labels I used and in my opinion does have something to offer in terms of the characters struggling with humanity, and how it applies it this world in which they inhabit. These kind of shocking moments set up the stakes for the characters and should be expected from the genre. They've had these moments before and they will again. Anybody who can't stand to see their favorite character brutally killed off shouldn't watch anyway.

actually 4 me, being a sci -fi fan

I think anytime we have humans together we have the possibility of culture

On the Walking Dead we've seen culture begin to form in its various 'Edenic' settings before the horrors of that world forced them out

1. the spot near the ravine and pond of water(where Rick found his wife and kid)

2. the CDC in Atlanta

3. the Farm(Hershels farm)

4. the Prison

5. Alexandria

we see culture and a way of life begin to form in these places

here is the real question of the comic and show....

who are the Walking Dead?

OnlyNDaUsa said:

here is the real question of the comic and show....

who are the Walking Dead?

Rick answers that question in Season 5 I think with his "We are The Walking Dead" speech.

namepeace said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

here is the real question of the comic and show....

who are the Walking Dead?

Rick answers that question in Season 5 I think with his "We are The Walking Dead" speech.

yeah i know... i had a chuckle... was it the Simpsons that made the joke about when a show says the name of the show?

OnlyNDaUsa said:

namepeace said:

Rick answers that question in Season 5 I think with his "We are The Walking Dead" speech.

yeah i know... i had a chuckle... was it the Simpsons that made the joke about when a show says the name of the show?

That was Family Guy. It was funny.