EmmaMcG said: breakdown2k14 said: Anybody gonna spend $130 to own batman vs superman? https://www.amazon.com/gp...FY7810J26S [Edited 3/31/16 14:37pm] I'm tempted.... Me 2.but I've never spent that much on a movie before There's Joy in repetition | |
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"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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My favorite Lex Luthors (I liked Kevin Spacey as well) | |
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Thank you! Enough with the fun & kiddie shit. I'm so glad these superhero films are more "adult" - that's what I want to see, superheroes whipping ass and killing if necessary. None of that 1960s or Joel Schumacher Batman crap.
That's why I love Frank Miller - his "DKR" got me interested in the character again. | |
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kpowers said: My favorite Lex Luthors (I liked Kevin Spacey as well) The Smallville Lex??? Over the one from the Dean Cain show??? I loved that guy. I loved Dean Cain too. I still do. | |
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breakdown2k14 said: EmmaMcG said: I'm tempted.... Me 2.but I've never spent that much on a movie before I want that Batman statue. My bedroom is ALL pink though so I'm not sure if it fits the decor but I'll make it work. | |
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Hell yeah!!!!!!!!!!!! Never could get into Lois & Clark | |
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kpowers said:
Hell yeah!!!!! Never could get into Lois & Clark The only reason I watched Lois & Clark was to see TERI HATCHER she was stunning back in the day! There's Joy in repetition | |
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Yeah me too. Would watch a little of the show when Teri Hatcher was on. Would lose intrest after awhile then ended up watching something else. Only watched the first 3 episodes from start to finish. Just didn't care for it. | |
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Youtube movie reviewer hits the nail right on the nail, when it comes to my feelings on this movie.[Edited 3/31/16 17:36pm] | |
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kpowers said:
Yeah me too. Would watch a little of the show when Teri Hatcher was on. Would lose intrest after awhile then ended up watching something else. Only watched the first 3 episodes from start to finish. Just didn't care for it. There's Joy in repetition | |
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kpowers said:
He was WOW, Not sure what my expectations should be. Gotta get the 12:00pm, Before the 3:00pm crowd and beyond. | |
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Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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The Smallville cast was great. Tom Welling was excellent as Superman. The above ^^^actor who played Lex and the actor who played Lionel Luther were, too. "Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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daingermouz2020 said: kpowers said:
He was WOW, Not sure what my expectations should be. Gotta get the 12:00pm, Before the 3:00pm crowd and beyond. There's Joy in repetition | |
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EmmaMcG said: breakdown2k14 said: Me 2.but I've never spent that much on a movie before I want that Batman statue. My bedroom is ALL pink though so I'm not sure if it fits the decor but I'll make it work. There's also a superman statue http://www.amazon.com/gp/...YZT1H708N5 [Edited 3/31/16 21:36pm] [Edited 3/31/16 21:36pm] There's Joy in repetition | |
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I know. How can any one pick Lex from Lois & Clark over Lex from Smallville (sorry EmmaMcG) | |
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Yes great casting, Lana Lang even his parents the Kents. However didn't really care for Lois Lane. And yes EmmaMcG Teri Hatcher was the better Lois Lane, | |
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breakdown2k14 said: EmmaMcG said: I want that Batman statue. My bedroom is ALL pink though so I'm not sure if it fits the decor but I'll make it work. There's also a superman statue http://www.amazon.com/gp/...YZT1H708N5 [Edited 3/31/16 21:36pm] [Edited 3/31/16 21:36pm] The Superman one doesn't interest me as much. If he had his classic "Christopher Reeve" suit, I'd be more tempted. | |
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kpowers said:
I know. How can any one pick Lex from Lois & Clark over Lex from Smallville (sorry EmmaMcG) [Edited 3/31/16 23:48pm] | |
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kpowers said:
Yes great casting, Lana Lang even his parents the Kents. However didn't really care for Lois Lane. And yes EmmaMcG Teri Hatcher was the better Lois Lane, | |
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See...this is the problem. Batman has now become an "anti-hero" in the mind of the movie-going public, but he isn't. He is a HERO...a founding member of the Justice League. Yes, he uses fear to intimidate criminals, and he works outside of the law at first (because Gotham is so corrupt), but he is fundamentally about protecting the innocent, and punishing the guilty. He doesn't murder, because that is the line where he would become the thing he hates the most. The fact that the movies have completely ignored this is proof that they don't get the most basic character trait of Batman. Now, it is true that he inadvertantly causes the death of Harvey Dent in Dark Knight, but he doesn't do so deliberately...Harvey dies while Batman is saving Jim Gordon's son. It was outright murder, like we see in BvS. In the case of Ra's...no, he didn't kill him. Ra's created that situation, and Batman flat out tells him "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you". It's a stretch for the character...as the Batman from the comics would have still rescued him, but it's still not murder.
As for Cap, he doesn't kill "20 people per film". Yes, he is shown killing during wartime, but that isn't exactly the same thing, is it? He is also a government sanctioned operative, sent to deal with terrorists and enemies of the state. It's a bit different for that character, by nature. You don't see him taking out muggers by shooting them, or any other acts of vigilante justice. Captain America is a completely different character too. The films have been true to the spirit of that character, and that is why you don't see complaints about it. In the case of Batman, the films are taking a giant crap on a major part of the character. You may not care, since you don't read comics, but to people who do, it isn't cool.
The most recent thing that has illustrated the code characters like Batman use is the second season of Daredevil. Daredevil's code creates conflict for him between The Punisher, Elektra and Stick, since he refuses to use lethal force, while they are more than happy to take out their opponents. It is a core tenant to superheroes, especially characters like Batman and Superman.
To put it into terms that are relatable, imagine a film about Prince that showed him as an atheist who hated music. I know, Prince isn't fictional...but the point I'm making is that, when you KNOW something about the basics of a character or person, seeing them portrayed contrary to that is galling, to say the least.
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I'm just going to leave this here: Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9) | |
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I'm glad you enjoyed it! Sorry about the spoilers...I definitely should have warned about that ahead of time! Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9) | |
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JediMaster said:
See...this is the problem. Batman has now become an "anti-hero" in the mind of the movie-going public, but he isn't. He is a HERO...a founding member of the Justice League. Yes, he uses fear to intimidate criminals, and he works outside of the law at first (because Gotham is so corrupt), but he is fundamentally about protecting the innocent, and punishing the guilty. He doesn't murder, because that is the line where he would become the thing he hates the most. The fact that the movies have completely ignored this is proof that they don't get the most basic character trait of Batman. Now, it is true that he inadvertantly causes the death of Harvey Dent in Dark Knight, but he doesn't do so deliberately...Harvey dies while Batman is saving Jim Gordon's son. It was outright murder, like we see in BvS. In the case of Ra's...no, he didn't kill him. Ra's created that situation, and Batman flat out tells him "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you". It's a stretch for the character...as the Batman from the comics would have still rescued him, but it's still not murder.
As for Cap, he doesn't kill "20 people per film". Yes, he is shown killing during wartime, but that isn't exactly the same thing, is it? He is also a government sanctioned operative, sent to deal with terrorists and enemies of the state. It's a bit different for that character, by nature. You don't see him taking out muggers by shooting them, or any other acts of vigilante justice. Captain America is a completely different character too. The films have been true to the spirit of that character, and that is why you don't see complaints about it. In the case of Batman, the films are taking a giant crap on a major part of the character. You may not care, since you don't read comics, but to people who do, it isn't cool.
The most recent thing that has illustrated the code characters like Batman use is the second season of Daredevil. Daredevil's code creates conflict for him between The Punisher, Elektra and Stick, since he refuses to use lethal force, while they are more than happy to take out their opponents. It is a core tenant to superheroes, especially characters like Batman and Superman.
To put it into terms that are relatable, imagine a film about Prince that showed him as an atheist who hated music. I know, Prince isn't fictional...but the point I'm making is that, when you KNOW something about the basics of a character or person, seeing them portrayed contrary to that is galling, to say the least.
I see where you're coming from and I see your point about the difference between Captain America and Batman. Captain America is a soldier so he would be expected to kill, especially when coming up against terrorists. But the modern set movies aren't during any World War(watch those movies again and count how many people he kills. Its a lot). But let's pretend for a second that Batman was real. Coming up against a group of guys who are carrying guns and looking to kill him, I could forgive Batman for killing a few of them. Obviously I wouldn't think it was ok if he was killing them for the sake of it. But in self defence, I could let it slide. There's no point in the movie where he kills unarmed men. I don't agree with some reviews I've seen where they complain about Batman being a serial killer. He's not exactly John Mcclane. But I suppose you (and many others) have your own history with the characters and your own ideas of what they should and shouldn't be doing. I'm not trying to convince you to like this new version. I can't find any fault in any of the points you made but I do prefer this new version of Batman over any other (with the exception of the animated series version). Though I do think Batman would be looking at some serious jail time for deliberately leaving Ra's to die. LOL | |
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For me, it really isn't a matter of whether or not Batman is morally right or not to kill. If he were real, faced with such things he'd probably be morally in the right...although he'd also be in need of some serious mental help! I mean, rich guy dresses like a bat and fights crime...he's gotta be almost as crazy as the villains he fights! my objection is more based on what is consistent with the character in the source material. It's akin to someone making a Harry Potter movie where he uses science instead of magic!
If you get a chance, watch the Netflix Daredevil. The Punisher in the second season is probably the most "realistic" comic character adapted to screen. Daredevil's code against killing is similar to Batman's, and it is illustrated well in that series how it clashes with more zealous vigilantes without such a moral issue. I think you'd enjoy it! Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9) | |
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Really glad y'all enjoyed it! I really dug it as well, and it beautifully summed up a lot of issues I had with the treatment of the characters in BvS. Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9) | |
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[Edited 4/3/16 9:39am] Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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