y'all a mess.

HotGritz said:

Neither of them (Halle & Gabriel) realize the damage they are doing to their own custody cases. All this airing of dirty laundry and possibly spewing lies to the media is just hurting their individual cases and possibly will have a negative affect on the mental well being of their daughter. Do they not think Nahla will learn of this racial bickering as she gets older?

They are both stupid but Halle is especially stupid.

The killing part is that he hasn't said anything as far as I know. We're not hearing anything negative about Halle so I'm thinking he's staying mum for real. Unlike all these "stories" that have JUST surfaced about him plus statements directly from her. I think all of this is working in HIS favor.

SCNDLS said:

HotGritz said:

Neither of them (Halle & Gabriel) realize the damage they are doing to their own custody cases. All this airing of dirty laundry and possibly spewing lies to the media is just hurting their individual cases and possibly will have a negative affect on the mental well being of their daughter. Do they not think Nahla will learn of this racial bickering as she gets older?

They are both stupid but Halle is especially stupid.

The killing part is that he hasn't said anything as far as I know. We're not hearing anything negative about Halle so I'm thinking he's staying mum for real. Unlike all these "stories" that have JUST surfaced about him plus statements directly from her. I think all of this is working in HIS favor.

I rarely cut men slack when it comes to these celeb paternity issues because too many times it's some woman tryna get financial assistance from a wealthy dude insistent on being a deadbeat or it's some dude denying paternity of a kid that's his spitting image. This is one case where I cannot side with the mother based on what's been reported and put out there in the press. Gabriel did Halle a favor by fathering her child cuz lord knows them other dudes were either missing on purpose or just didn't have the right amunition. Now she has this beautiful little girl and she can't do a simple thing like share custody with the father? I mean damn....it's not like dude is a molester, woman beater, or broke ass. For all we can see, he's a decent man just trying to play an active and frequent role in his child's life. So what if he didn't turn out to be house husband material? Shit happens.

Here this heffa go tryna pour salt in the man's game. Halle make my ass itch sometime. Oh phoney ass bitch!

HotGritz said:

You know what?

Halle's kid might grow up with a complex, perhaps suffer an identity crisis. She's got two parents possibly arguing over whether she's black or not and she looks obviously mixed so even when she's older and makes friends and new acquaintances - the question of her ethnicity and how she identifies herself will be raised.

Halle needs to just acknowledge her child is mixed and let it go at that. She can ensure her child has a pro-black attitude and embraces African-American culture just by providing her with the proper education on black & African history/contributions and exposing her to positive black role models. The idea of her going public about her belief in the one-drop theory just makes her look ignorant IMO. Also makes her look phony as hell. I mean shit, if you really want to be down then maybe you should have chosen a black man to father your child.

Ouch...Burn...

I kinda get what she's trying to say though. If you see her walking down the street you see a black woman so she identifies mostly black..because society will do the same. Doesn't mean she doesn't or shouldn't acknowledge her other half but I think it's just easier for some bi-racial people..especially those mixed with black to do so..especially when they look more black than whatever other race they are mixed with.

The child should be exposed to all parts of her self and should be taught to embrace it all. I sure

hope they stop this nonsense and try to do so..for her sake.

lavender1983 said:

HotGritz said:

You know what?

Halle's kid might grow up with a complex, perhaps suffer an identity crisis. She's got two parents possibly arguing over whether she's black or not and she looks obviously mixed so even when she's older and makes friends and new acquaintances - the question of her ethnicity and how she identifies herself will be raised.

Halle needs to just acknowledge her child is mixed and let it go at that. She can ensure her child has a pro-black attitude and embraces African-American culture just by providing her with the proper education on black & African history/contributions and exposing her to positive black role models. The idea of her going public about her belief in the one-drop theory just makes her look ignorant IMO. Also makes her look phony as hell. I mean shit, if you really want to be down then maybe you should have chosen a black man to father your child.

Ouch...Burn...

I kinda get what she's trying to say though. If you see her walking down the street you see a black woman so she identifies mostly black..because society will do the same. Doesn't mean she doesn't or shouldn't acknowledge her other half but I think it's just easier for some bi-racial people..especially those mixed with black to do so..especially when they look more black than whatever other race they are mixed with.

The child should be exposed to all parts of her self and should be taught to embrace it all. I sure

hope they stop this nonsense and try to do so..for her sake.

The "looking black" part I get. It's the "one-drop theory" bullshit that I neither get nor agree with. For Halle to bring up some archaic, racist means to categorize people as black (code: inferior) is beyond me. Also, you can clearly see her daughter is mixed. It's not like we don't know who the child's daddy is.

HotGritz said:

lavender1983 said:

Ouch...Burn...

I kinda get what she's trying to say though. If you see her walking down the street you see a black woman so she identifies mostly black..because society will do the same. Doesn't mean she doesn't or shouldn't acknowledge her other half but I think it's just easier for some bi-racial people..especially those mixed with black to do so..especially when they look more black than whatever other race they are mixed with.

The child should be exposed to all parts of her self and should be taught to embrace it all. I sure

hope they stop this nonsense and try to do so..for her sake.

The "looking black" part I get. It's the "one-drop theory" bullshit that I neither get nor agree with. For Halle to bring up some archaic, racist means to categorize people as black (code: inferior) is beyond me. Also, you can clearly see her daughter is mixed. It's not like we don't know who the child's daddy is.

I'm with you on that...I meant to also add that she shouldn't have used that phrase as well...Next thing you know she'll start using the "Brown paper bag" test to explain exactly how black her daughter is...It is very archaic.

she didn't say that, tell me she didn't say that. Halle it'll work better for you.

What's hard, or rather uncomfortable, to watch is her new commercial for her new fragrance. It's weird looking at it, and watching all this other stuff going on.

^ doesn't he have a fragrance out too?

^ does he? Imma look it up, because that would explain some of this nutzoid mess, some, not all.

morningsong said:

^ does he? Imma look it up, because that would explain some of this nutzoid mess, some, not all.

I don't see he has anything new out, but maybe I'm not looking in the right places. Which puts me back to square one

Oh I see why I thought he had a fragrance out. Dude is still the face of Hugo Boss for men.

Halle Berry is nuts. And thanks to her, that poor little kid is going to face identity issues for years to come.

I've lost all respect for her....not that I had much respect for her in the first place.

HotGritz said:

For Halle to bring up some archaic, racist means to categorize people as black (code: inferior) is beyond me.

Unfortunately, it's ingrained in America's way of thinking. The larger society defines you by your appearance(color, hair, etc.). Doesn't mean you go along with it, just be aware of what's out there.

uPtoWnNY said:

HotGritz said:

For Halle to bring up some archaic, racist means to categorize people as black (code: inferior) is beyond me.

Unfortunately, it's ingrained in America's way of thinking. The larger society defines you by your appearance(color, hair, etc.). Doesn't mean you go along with it, just be aware of what's out there.

Then baby Nahla is puerto rican . In reality though, the girl is what our elders used to call "quadroon".

HotGritz said:

You know what?

Halle's kid might grow up with a complex, perhaps suffer an identity crisis. She's got two parents possibly arguing over whether she's black or not and she looks obviously mixed so even when she's older and makes friends and new acquaintances - the question of her ethnicity and how she identifies herself will be raised.

Halle needs to just acknowledge her child is mixed and let it go at that. She can ensure her child has a pro-black attitude and embraces African-American culture just by providing her with the proper education on black & African history/contributions and exposing her to positive black role models. The idea of her going public about her belief in the one-drop theory just makes her look ignorant IMO. Also makes her look phony as hell. I mean shit, if you really want to be down then maybe you should have chosen a black man to father your child.

Totally agree!

HotGritz said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Unfortunately, it's ingrained in America's way of thinking. The larger society defines you by your appearance(color, hair, etc.). Doesn't mean you go along with it, just be aware of what's out there.

Then baby Nahla is puerto rican . In reality though, the girl is what our elders used to call "quadroon".

I always thought Halle was Hispanic too or mixed race. I never looked at her and thought she was a 100% black woman (not that there are many of those in the US anyway considering generations of slaveowners raping their slaves.) I can't believe Halle reinforces the one-drop rule though! She's known to be dim as a bulb though so I shouldn't be surprised.

I've always despised this dumb, pschotic bitch. Especially that slave accent she does whenever she plays a black character, where being black is integral to the story--not in the movies where her character just happens to be black.

I still can't believe people argue whether biracial people are black or white. That's like arguing whether a penguin is black or white. You can argue that they LOOK black or LOOK white, but they're always going to be both. I guess I don't see why Halle is so emphatic that "my baby is black, my baby is black." especially since the baby is mostly white. It's factual info, there should be nothing to argue.

Myself, I don't claim that I'm Irish and deny being French Canadian. I don't feel the need to pick one. I have at least 12 different "white" ethnicities that I am (grandfather is a geneologist).

HotGritz said:

You know what?

Halle's kid might grow up with a complex, perhaps suffer an identity crisis. She's got two parents possibly arguing over whether she's black or not and she looks obviously mixed so even when she's older and makes friends and new acquaintances - the question of her ethnicity and how she identifies herself will be raised.

Halle needs to just acknowledge her child is mixed and let it go at that. She can ensure her child has a pro-black attitude and embraces African-American culture just by providing her with the proper education on black & African history/contributions and exposing her to positive black role models. The idea of her going public about her belief in the one-drop theory just makes her look ignorant IMO. Also makes her look phony as hell. I mean shit, if you really want to be down then maybe you should have chosen a black man to father your child.

Girl, I'm gonna have to buy you a short set and some Now Or Laters

^

damn y I gotta get the gas station 25 cent candy?

Halle Berry Taking Nahla ...ity Action

UPDATE II: TMZ reports that Halle Berry was given permission by an LA judge to take Nahla to New York to film "New Years Eve," a project she initially dropped out of after the custody fight began. Gabriel Aubry indeed has dropped his custody suit, but will continue to pursue joint custody by filing a paternity action.
___

UPDATE: RadarOnline.com has posted a photo of the pet...to dismiss, confirming their report that Gabriel Aubry has dismissed his custody suit.
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PREVIOUSLY:
The nasty custody battle between Halle Berry and Gabriel Aubry may have finally come to an end.

RadarOnline.com reports that Aubry has dropped his sui...iend Berry. He sued in December for partial custody of their daughter, Nahla, and since, a war of words between the two has turned uglier and uglier.

Berry dropped out of filming th...ear's Eve" at the end of January, and soon accusations that Aubry sent abusive text messages and that Nahla was "terrified" of him were floated from her camp.

Then, rumors of an Aubry freakout when Nahla...ally black brought the feud into new, even nastier territory. Berry addressed the issue when she said that, citing slavery rules, Nahla, who is biracial, is in fact black.

Radar says that a source told them that, "Gabriel and Halle have spoken to each other and have committed to try and make things work, without the courts - Gabe's decision to drop his case is his way of showing Halle he's prepared to take a leap of faith and trust her once again."

"...citing slavery rules?" oboy.....

HotGritz said:

^

damn y I gotta get the gas station 25 cent candy?

Gurrrl, don't play! Now n' Laters are an iconic pop culture staple of the 70's, like Pop Tarts and Jiffy Pop Popcorn!

SCNDLS said:

Halle Berry Taking Nahla ...ity Action

UPDATE II: TMZ reports that Halle Berry was given permission by an LA judge to take Nahla to New York to film "New Years Eve," a project she initially dropped out of after the custody fight began. Gabriel Aubry indeed has dropped his custody suit, but will continue to pursue joint custody by filing a paternity action.
___

UPDATE: RadarOnline.com has posted a photo of the pet...to dismiss, confirming their report that Gabriel Aubry has dismissed his custody suit.
___

PREVIOUSLY:
The nasty custody battle between Halle Berry and Gabriel Aubry may have finally come to an end.

RadarOnline.com reports that Aubry has dropped his sui...iend Berry. He sued in December for partial custody of their daughter, Nahla, and since, a war of words between the two has turned uglier and uglier.

Berry dropped out of filming th...ear's Eve" at the end of January, and soon accusations that Aubry sent abusive text messages and that Nahla was "terrified" of him were floated from her camp.

Then, rumors of an Aubry freakout when Nahla...ally black brought the feud into new, even nastier territory. Berry addressed the issue when she said that, citing slavery rules, Nahla, who is biracial, is in fact black.

Radar says that a source told them that, "Gabriel and Halle have spoken to each other and have committed to try and make things work, without the courts - Gabe's decision to drop his case is his way of showing Halle he's prepared to take a leap of faith and trust her once again."

They should change that to read "and trust her to ackright!"

uPtoWnNY said:

"...citing slavery rules?" oboy.....

This woman is one step away from a mental institution. Uh hello your mama's English! Jeez Halle...

Timmy84 said:

uPtoWnNY said:

"...citing slavery rules?" oboy.....

This woman is one step away from a mental institution. Uh hello your mama's English! Jeez Halle...

Her mother is a Brit? That's news to me. Even if true where she's from, no one would give a rat's ass because of the racial attitudes that are part of the cultural fabric in that town.

I'm not surprised Halle thinks this way. I know the area where she grew up very well, and frankly Cleveland is not one of those places where "bi-racial" would fly during the time she grew up there, particularly in the working class black suburb of Bedford where she's from. Black is black is black there, and given her age and the era in which she grew up not to mention the fact that Cleveland has always been racially divided, politely (and sometimes not so politely) segregated, white mama or none she would have been considered black, addressed as black, taunted as black, and labeled as black, period. While she's obviously not exactly eloquent in stating why she feels the way she does, knowing a bit about the region she's from gives a lot of insight (for me) about the formative experiences that dictate how she sees her herself. Cleveland's a big city, mid-western, has a cute arts scene with a few delightfully quirky people, but for the most part it has a backwoods, small town mentality with a very painful past regarding race relations. From one moment to the next, one neighborhood to the next, you can move from the golden ghettos of liberal arts influenced upper class Americana to fuckin' "Deliverance" meets "Sparkle " in the blink of an eye. In the 70's and 80's, I can guarantee you no one on either side of the racial fence there would have been trying to entertain the concept of being, well, not black just because you were mixed.

While I agree 100% Halle is batshit crazy, I understand how she's come to use and identify with this ass backwards terminology. So I'm not going to beat her up about how she's expressing this particular point. It's a shame that she hasn't moved past this way of thinking after 20 years of being away from that town, but not everyone is able to shake off the stuff that's imprinted on their hard drives when they're molded as kids, ya know? Still, I hope everything works out for the best on the baby's behalf...and I still don't believe the stories circulating about the father. I think she just made that shit up as a passive aggressive public relations ploy.

[Edited 2/18/11 0:59am]

^ True and you're right. But yeah I definitely think she's using that tactic as a ploy just so he can't see her. Silly shit.

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Ottensen said:

Timmy84 said:

This woman is one step away from a mental institution. Uh hello your mama's English! Jeez Halle...

Her mother is a Brit? That's news to me. Even if true where she's from, no one would give a rat's ass because of the racial attitudes that are part of the cultural fabric in that town.

I'm not surprised Halle thinks this way. I know the area where she grew up very well, and frankly Cleveland is not one of those places where "bi-racial" would fly during the time she grew up there, particularly in the working class black suburb of Bedford where she's from. Black is black is black there, and given her age and the era in which she grew up not to mention the fact that Cleveland has always been racially divided, politely (and sometimes not so politely) segregated, white mama or none she would have been considered black, addressed as black, taunted as black, and labeled as black, period. While she's obviously not exactly eloquent in stating why she feels the way she does, knowing a bit about the region she's from gives a lot of insight (for me) about the formative experiences that dictate how she sees her herself. Cleveland's a big city, mid-western, has a cute arts scene with a few delightfully quirky people, but for the most part it has a backwoods, small town mentality with a very painful past regarding race relations. From one moment to the next, one neighborhood to the next, you can move from the golden ghettos of liberal arts influenced upper class Americana to fuckin' "Deliverance" meets "Sparkle " in the blink of an eye. In the 70's and 80's, I can guarantee you no one on either side of the racial fence there would have been trying to entertain the concept of being, well, not black just because you were mixed.

While I agree 100% Halle is batshit crazy, I understand how she's come to use and identify with this ass backwards terminology. So I'm not going to beat her up about how she's expressing this particular point. It's a shame that she hasn't moved past this way of thinking after 20 years of being away from that town, but not everyone is able to shake off the stuff that's imprinted on their hard drives when they're molded as kids, ya know? Still, I hope everything works out for the best on the baby's behalf...and I still don't believe the stories circulating about the father. I think she just made that shit up as a passive aggressive public relations ploy.

[Edited 2/18/11 0:59am]

See, a woman with some damn sense! Preach, Ollie!

I've always said it. Doesn't matter how high up the ladder you climb. If there is one smidgen of black blood in you, lose your grip and slide back down, you're just another "one of us" at the bottom.

If Halle hadn't gained fame and fortune, she'd still be just another beautiful "mulatto." Tiger Woods? Need I say more? If he had tried that EurasianCambodianAfrocentric shit in the projects, he would have gotten his ass beat!

Shyra said:

Ottensen said:

Her mother is a Brit? That's news to me. Even if true where she's from, no one would give a rat's ass because of the racial attitudes that are part of the cultural fabric in that town.

I'm not surprised Halle thinks this way. I know the area where she grew up very well, and frankly Cleveland is not one of those places where "bi-racial" would fly during the time she grew up there, particularly in the working class black suburb of Bedford where she's from. Black is black is black there, and given her age and the era in which she grew up not to mention the fact that Cleveland has always been racially divided, politely (and sometimes not so politely) segregated, white mama or none she would have been considered black, addressed as black, taunted as black, and labeled as black, period. While she's obviously not exactly eloquent in stating why she feels the way she does, knowing a bit about the region she's from gives a lot of insight (for me) about the formative experiences that dictate how she sees her herself. Cleveland's a big city, mid-western, has a cute arts scene with a few delightfully quirky people, but for the most part it has a backwoods, small town mentality with a very painful past regarding race relations. From one moment to the next, one neighborhood to the next, you can move from the golden ghettos of liberal arts influenced upper class Americana to fuckin' "Deliverance" meets "Sparkle " in the blink of an eye. In the 70's and 80's, I can guarantee you no one on either side of the racial fence there would have been trying to entertain the concept of being, well, not black just because you were mixed.

While I agree 100% Halle is batshit crazy, I understand how she's come to use and identify with this ass backwards terminology. So I'm not going to beat her up about how she's expressing this particular point. It's a shame that she hasn't moved past this way of thinking after 20 years of being away from that town, but not everyone is able to shake off the stuff that's imprinted on their hard drives when they're molded as kids, ya know? Still, I hope everything works out for the best on the baby's behalf...and I still don't believe the stories circulating about the father. I think she just made that shit up as a passive aggressive public relations ploy.

[Edited 2/18/11 0:59am]

See, a woman with some damn sense! Preach, Ollie!

I've always said it. Doesn't matter how high up the ladder you climb. If there is one smidgen of black blood in you, lose your grip and slide back down, you're just another "one of us" at the bottom.

If Halle hadn't gained fame and fortune, she'd still be just another beautiful "mulatto." Tiger Woods? Need I say more? If he had tried that EurasianCambodianAfrocentric shit in the projects, he would have gotten his ass beat!

@ bof ya'll

Folks wanna be all PC an' shit NOW but nobody was checking "biracial" 45 years ago when Halle was born. And her own white mama TOLD her "You are a BLACK woman so you better embrace it!"

I think Halle's issues stem more from her absentee father who beat her mother than from being confused about race.

SCNDLS said:

Shyra said:

See, a woman with some damn sense! Preach, Ollie!

I've always said it. Doesn't matter how high up the ladder you climb. If there is one smidgen of black blood in you, lose your grip and slide back down, you're just another "one of us" at the bottom.

If Halle hadn't gained fame and fortune, she'd still be just another beautiful "mulatto." Tiger Woods? Need I say more? If he had tried that EurasianCambodianAfrocentric shit in the projects, he would have gotten his ass beat!

@ bof ya'll

Folks wanna be all PC an' shit NOW but nobody was checking "biracial" 45 years ago when Halle was born. And her own white mama TOLD her "You are a BLACK woman so you better embrace it!"

I think Halle's issues stem more from her absentee father who beat her mother than from being confused about race.

I blame all this on the dumb ass mother of Halle's.

First off I check white when I fill out a census but I don't think of my culture as white. My culture is Irish american and Italian american.

Seems that Halle's mother cared not to share any of her culture with Halle. Instead she thought it best to encourage Halle to strictly think of herself as black. Since Halle dad did not play a role in her life it was all up to Halle's mom how Halle was raised to see herself.

Now Gabriel is not a U.S. citizen. He, unlike Halle's dad does not want his daughter to be raised solely by an single mother. He also is proud of his French Canadian heritage and probably also would like the baby to speak french aswell. I do not see anything wrong with this. Fuck Halle's backwards grandma. Let Gabriel share his culture with his child.

I have a friend who is all Irish. Her family treats St Patricks day like it was Thanksgiving. It is a big to do around there. One of her sisters married a very dark black man and her two daughters are medium complected. Despite their phenotype being black they are still a part of the family and their genotype is both white and black and they are given a spot on the float at the st Paddy's day parade and are raised to be proud of 100% of their herritage.

In the 1800's when your white dad was also your mama's slave master it made perfect sense to take absolutely no pride in your white herritage. PERFECT SENSE.

BUT when your parents had consensual sex and a long term relationship with each other and this man wants to be an ongoing part of your life, why not acknowledge your entire genotype and the cultures of both of your parents, even if some people may identify you as being only black?