Janfriend said:

Janfriend said:

Janfriend said:

Well, my transgender friends weren't offended when I said I didn't understand.

I don't need to understand. They do.

NDRU said:

It's impossible to understand every human experience out there. Acceptance is all you have to give sometimes.

JasmineFire said:

exactly, I respect their decisions, refer to them by their new names, new sexes, and enjoy their friendship just like before.

NDRU said:

But you didn't say that you accept them.

I think you're just going to have to explain yourself some more, preferably in at least five more posts.

retina said:

includling please scientific studies, personal stories, references to known transgender, references to unknown transgender, and defentions from 4 differnt dictionaries.

ehuffnsd said:

At the very least!

ehuffnsd said:

should I put footnotes within the text, or before the bibliography?

NDRU said:

"Bibliography"? Is that some kind of slur for transgender people? Are you saying they should always finish last?

NDRU said:

footnotes a bibliography and an index that is cross referneced please.

Janfriend said:

Thank you for the correction. I hope the transgender community doesn't over-react to an innocent mistake. Now I know better

I am not advocating that someone who is transgender not be allowed to go through whatever process makes them the happiest. But people have had sexual reassignment surgery to discover they made a mistake. And no child should be indulged to this level no matter what they feel. They don't have the maturity or the experience to make fully informed decisions.

If given the chance to change my sex to female when I was younger, that I was able to make that decision, I probably would have because of the extreme degree with which I identifed as female. Having discovered my unique strength as a woman in a man's body (that is still how I feel), I have made peace with my biological gender and accept and explore the strengths that inherintly come from being a man. The fact that I don't have a biologically female body does not stop me from being a woman or perceiving myself that way. I feel very much that I am a woman regardless of the dick in my pants.

And how do you know some transgender people aren't suffering from OCD? People with extreme OCD have an inability to move forward in their lives without the burden of their obsessive nature. How do you know some transgender person doesn't suffer from that and not some gender identity crisis? I think a decision like this should not be available to kids. People change their childhood beliefs when they become adults. Someone should really enter adulthood first before making a choice that may be born of childhood impulsiveness.

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retina said:

stop that!

NDRU said:

Get a room, you two!

JustErin said:

your bedroom, perhaps?

NDRU said:

er actually MINE!

ehuffnsd said:

that makes sense

ehuffnsd said:

Yep. Just as crazy as thinking gender identity and sexual orientation go hand in hand

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Right, but most of those people who feel that way still live as the opposite gender on the outside without ever having surgery and prefer to be referred to as the opoposite pronoun. If you're so female why aren't you doing that? Why aren't acting more like a female?
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heartbeatocean said:

that's where this whole TG thing gets touchy. you have people that are truely transgender who going through puberty forces them to masculinze and harder in the future to become who they really are. and than you have people like me because when we are younger we are taught there is male and female and boys marry girls and because of this feel they should be girls because kids aren't taught about being gay. how do you sort out the real TG from those who just don't understand that it is ok to be gay? that's why i oppose hormone treatment until after the first stage of puberty.


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Janfriend said:

you are crazy telling supa and i that experiences we had when were young aren't what we thought they were. because you ma'am are a mindreader or crazy. you pick.

ehuffnsd said:

So now you're resorting to calling people names. I didn't say anything about you not feeling whatever you felt. What you thought you were going through was not actually what it was, You said that, not me. You're not transgender, not in the official traditional sense. You're just two gay men

Janfriend said:

and we've never claimed to be transgender just expressed our opposition to how soon one should start the transition, because there are people like us who'd be in a world of hurt if they started to early.

you've attacked both of us, without reading what we stating and why. just like you did in the thread last week.

you'd don't read anything anyone writes just skim it and jump to conclusions.

I wouldn't marry anybody. But I've dated one, and would do it again.

INSATIABLE said:

If I was attracted to them, I'd give it a whirl.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I gave up bringing home my mates home to meet dad years ago.

ehuffnsd said:

I didn't attack you personally. I attacked your attitude against the transgender community. You don't know what you're talking about

Janfriend said:

I remember seeing this story.

Janfriend said:

i'm sorry dear, when it comes to the way i felt as child i do know what i'm talking about. just because you don't agree with my view on prepubescent hormone therapy doesn't mean i'm against the transgender community. once again you do not understand life as an out gay man or a gay man. i've never claimed to speak on behalf of my transfriends just shared my experiences.