heybaby said:

Yeah, you'd be trying to change that shit real quick wouldn't you?

Janfriend said:

There are, and it's totally accepted in Thai society. There are lots of ladyboys on TV and they're not seen as anything out of the ordinary when a ladyboy walks down the street.

However, in reference to my earlier post, some seem to have serious anger management problems. Must be something to do with the hormones?

FuNkeNsteiN said:

I think you'll find it's known for prostitution, backpacking, beaches, kickboxing and its delicious food.

Fauxie said:

Yea, those too

Fauxie said:

do you have stories?

i'm not that familiar with ladyboys but the name alone conjures up a person who is very nice for some reason.

Janfriend said:

Her story just broke my heart

ZombieKitten said:

But what if you found out he used to be a woman?

psychodelicide said:

NO..I wouldnt to be honest.


HOWEVER..if I really liked a guy..and then all of a sudden I found out he had a vagina. But was still a male overall, I would def date a guy like that.

Easier 4 me to fuck too

Knowingly?

Um, no.

JasmineFire said:

Well, I've seen ladyboys tear each other apart fighting in the street, and I've seen a ladyboy scratch a guy's face in a bar before, but I should add that I've seen plenty of ladyboys not doing that kind of thing. Also, ladyboys don't all frequent bars every night and get drunk and prostitute themselves, but often that's the perception of ladyboys here, that they all party and are on the game.

The lady who owned the wedding shop where we arranged our clothes and photos was a ladyboy. The girl who did Mon's makeup and hair for the pics and on the wedding day was a ladyboy.

Fauxie said:

I've been told that not only are the accepted in Thai Society, that Thais accept them as a "third" sex. Is this true?

I think cross-dressing guys or genderbenders MTF are pretty hot in some way... I don't get it but somehow I find eg. drag queens hot..

Best of both worlds: pair of boobs and a dick..

Imago said:

I think on their ID cards, even if they've had all the ops, they're still male. However, in society they're just regarded as women like any other. Comedians on TV will send up the really extrovert ladyboys and it's a regular part of primetime Thai slapstick comedy shows (fat little balding guy dressed as a really over the top 'katoey'). Regular everyday transgenders are just regarded as regular females. It's funny, Mon and I never said anything about the make up and hair girl until after this thread started and I said 'the girl who did your make up for the wedding was a ladyboy, right?'. I tend not to notice or pay much mind to it unless someone asks me my opinion about whether a person's a ladyboy or not.

Most women seem to interact with them as they would with any woman, and Thai men aren't 'afraid' or repulsed in any way unlike some foreigners I've seen. I've sat out in front of the house drinking with Mon's brother and his friends and they'll laugh about times they got drunk and hit on ladyboys, made out with them, got a blowjob etc. sometimes knowing, sometimes not, and it's not seen as a big thing to them.

CarrieMpls said:

JustErin said:

I know two of them. One of them I was SHOCKED when I found out, because I never would have guessed. I still find it amazing. The other, I knew as a woman before she became a man and it took me a while to make the mental adjustment. But he is also extremely masculine and I can't believe that anyone would see him as a woman today. And I'm attracted to both of them the way I'm attracted all men , which I find fascinating. But I find really butch lesbians attractive too.

psychodelicide said:

From what I understand, transsexual is the word for someone who has had the operation. Transgender is a much more fluid term which includes cross-dressing.

And to answer your question, my answer is yes. Being friends with two myself and finding them attractive and very grounded people, I know I wouldn't have a problem with it. And they would most likely share my politics, which would make them doubly attractive.

Hell to the naw!

Always reminds me of this vid that I think could have a few tourists fooled. Without getting up close it should be obvious from the hair, clothes, mannerisms etc.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...n1iZWOOjnI

Check out all the foreigners stopping to look.

NDRU said:

that would be fine

assuming he is still the person I chose to marry, and the confession doesn't change his personality

I thought the title said "Transformer".
They would have to be well oiled.

Mushanga said:

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FuNkeNsteiN said:

Janfriend said:

I feel so sorry for her...

I am watching a show about transgender ppl. It fascinates me. As far as the question...I learned to never say never.

Wow! The guy on this show was married for 30 years and has children and is now a women.

Amazing!!

Nah, not knowingly... & even if they managed to fool me initially I assume I'd find out once I saw that dick

That story of Riley's is very touching but I am very torn on it. I am not sure about indulging a child at such a young age. When I was growing up, into my late teens (15-16) I was so connected to my femininity that I was convinced I would have to have a sex change in order to be happy. And this idea wasn't put into my head, nor suggested by anyone. I just felt so alienated as a male. Nothing about me felt like a boy. Nothing.

My thoughts, my emotions, my perceptions; they were all very female in nature. And I totally identify with feeling shame as regards to my body. When I hit puberty, which was at 15, I was so ashamed of the change because it signified and solidified one very hardcore fact. My body was becoming a man and I was ashamed of it. When I looked at my genitals, and saw hair growing around it, I was so ashamed. That is really the only word to describe it. Shame.

It is only in the last 7 years that I am connecting with my maleness. In a way I never thought possible. I never used to have short hair, I couldn't grow facial hair. I preferred more feminine clothing. I didn't identify with other males. But I had 30 years to basically make peace with the conflict in my mind and in my heart. Still even now I feel very female but having accepted my femaleness fully, (which very much involves the coming out process in it's fullness), and understanding that is where my strength comes from, gave me the secure vantage point with which to confront my maleness.

I have been discovering my strength as a male, without shame. I find myself in a unique position, to be able to explore my strengths from both points of view. Had I decided to become female when I was younger, well I can't say that I wouldn't have had a happy existence, but I feel very satisfied that I was able to come to terms with the fact of the matter, which is that I am biologically male and that I didn't have to change what I am in order to find happiness and fulfillment.

I think, like most things the child should have to wait until they are legally an adult for such a choice but I would not endorse torturing that child either with the fact they have to wait. Impatience is intrinsically an issue for children and you have to find ways to help them deal with that. I think that the child should have counseling, not necessarally to change their minds but to help them to come to grips with the fact of the situation and go from there.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

That is pretty similar to how I feel about the whole situation. Also, I don't know how comfortable I am with giving a child hormone blockers and then high levels of female hormones at such a young age.

If I had a son who wanted to wear his hair long and dress in a feminine manner, then that's fine but I think I would want to help my child accept his body for what it is. If he still want to go ahead with living life as a woman once he's an adult, then that's fine...but as a young child, I'm not so sure.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

thanks for sharing

Sure. Why not? A person's a person, and if they're likable enough to date I don't see what difference the business between their legs should make.

That said, I am bisexual, so I realize that probably colours my attitude on the topic. Wouldn't make much sense to like both girls and boys but balk at boys-who-were-girls, or girls-who-were-boys, or those happily sitting in the middle, would it? If sexuality isn't a binary system, why should gender be?