duccichucka said:

prodigalfan said:

^^

I can appreciate honest observations and constructive straight talk about this tragedy. But please stop the name calling and disparaging remarks on this thread for people to honor and grieve the loss of this musical legend. That remark was uncalled for on THIS thread.

Show some decency if not for Ms. Houston.. then for her fans who love and grieve her loss.

It is not my intention to offend anyone.

But I will utilize my first amendment rights and continue to speak constructively and as

honestly as I feel. While most of you are putting on airs because a singer died, I am

being contemplative about my own life.

If that means saying some things that are disagreeable with the norms being expressed

around here, then you better not read my posts.

But again, if I have offended anyone, I am sorry that you took offense.

and I can appreciate constructive talk. Calling her a hood rat was over the top. And although I am not a stan... only a casual fan.... calling her that did offend me enough to say something.

Yeah she had issues... but NO one deserves to be called names. Just seems particularly heartless... and I know that is not what you mean to put out.

As far as her videos went, this was definitely one of her best. Still love this video to this day.

prodigalfan said:

WaterInYourBath said:

No. Whitney is The Voice. She's not "princess" anything.

Oh yeah... that is right. I have heard that one before. voice with a capital "V"

....

kibbles said:

prodigalfan said:

^^

I can appreciate honest observations and constructive straight talk about this tragedy. But please stop the name calling and disparaging remarks on this thread for people to honor and grieve the loss of this musical legend. That remark was uncalled for on THIS thread.

Show some decency if not for Ms. Houston.. then for her fans who love and grieve her loss.

yeah, right, prodigal. this is the same poster who implored me a few posts back to have a 'genteel and intelligent conversation' with him/her. that's why i have no problem showing my 'rancor', as s/he put it. i have no desire to be genteel with poster like this.

When a celebrity dies, you can surely expect faux-remorse and over wrought grief

from "fans."

Again, I will not discuss her life without remarking on the totality of it; drugs, alcohol,

voice, movies, crack, mother, daughter, wife. She's more than just a singer and if

y'all can for a second understand this and place her life in perspective, maybe you will

learn something from this and be able to express more than just grief that'll last for

two days.

What Whitney Houston struggled against, stood for, and lived with is remarkable. In this

particular hour of reflection, I decide to view her life as a whole, and not just the parts.

Good god, does this forum lack insight and all of y'all are just bumbling fanatics going through

life with your gazed fixed on stars (i.e. celebrities)?

musicjunky318 said:

Timmy84 said:

ALWAYS been my #1 fave from her...

Timmy84 said:

My all time favorite by her

Timmy84 said:

musicjunky318 said:

Whitney got into drugs long before Bobby. It's not his fault. And it doesn't make either of them bad people. It's called having a bad habit. Just like smoking a cigarette.

Exactly.

nursev said:

dannyd5050 said:

I feel you, Nursev....

people ar making jokes, but this is someone who was a beautiful soul and just lost her way. Celebs are human too and people really need to stop harassing them day in and night on the internet. These are real folks with real problems the same harassment MJ got-they did to whitney too. May God keep her beautiful soul I just can't take anymore-God knows if Prince or anybody else goes soon I'm not gonna handle it well. I loved whitney's voice-so sad.

I'm not really sure whether I like how Michael is linked to this. And how did she get the same treatment or harrasment Michael got? Did they accuse her of child molestation? Did he got on stage intoxicated, screwing up his shows, leaving paying fans disappointed? Did he do recreational drugs? Did he make headlines for years for substance abuse?? Those are two total separate cases. The only thing they share is that they died prematurely. Both is shocking, albeit for different reasons.

WaterInYourBath said:

prodigalfan said:

Oh yeah... that is right. I have heard that one before. voice with a capital "V"

....

duccichucka said:

nursev said:

prodigalfan said: Makes me glad Prince found God when he did-seems to have saved him from self destruction too. This is really so sad. That pic of MJ and Whitney made me smile though.

Interesting because Houston was also religious (and so was MJ).

I think it boils down to that MJ and Houston were drug addicts and Prince and Madonna

were not.

Michael didn't die because he was drug addict. He died because his quack doctor put him to sleep.

JonnyApplesauce said:

tinaz said:

All he said was her downward spiral started after she married him... Which seems to be true

Far too often when something bad happens, the black guy gets blamed. Whitney Houston was trying to please too many people, specifically trying to "keep it real" when she should have walked away from a whole host of rats. Why did Clive Davis have her singing "popular" music in the first place when it was beneath her? If white industry suits didnt aggressively market, and endorse the culture of trash she'd still be breathing and that aint got nothing to do with Bobby Brown.

With all due respect, dont pull the race card on this. This aint the time nor the place. Whitney was a grown-ass woman, and she made poor decisions along the way (as we all tend to from time to time). Maybe you're right when you say the (ahem) "White Industry Suits" (nice avatar by the way) DO market a trash culture, but Bobby is to blame for Whitney's downfall, and you are in fucking denial if you disagree.

prodigalfan said:

duccichucka said:

It is not my intention to offend anyone.

But I will utilize my first amendment rights and continue to speak constructively and as

honestly as I feel. While most of you are putting on airs because a singer died, I am

being contemplative about my own life.

If that means saying some things that are disagreeable with the norms being expressed

around here, then you better not read my posts.

But again, if I have offended anyone, I am sorry that you took offense.

and I can appreciate constructive talk. Calling her a hood rat was over the top. And although I am not a stan... only a casual fan.... calling her that did offend me enough to say something.

Yeah she had issues... but NO one deserves to be called names. Just seems particularly heartless... and I know that is not what you mean to put out.

I disagree; referring to her as a hood rat was to emphasize Houston's upbringing and the

way she carried herself in an effort to suggest that she was well acquainted with ghetto

life and its drug culture before she met Bobby Brown.

Y'all muahfuckers need to relax and chill out: this "Thou shall not speak ill of the dead"

hoodoo-voodoo mumbo jumbo stuff is getting a little tired. Aren't we grown ups here who

can speak freely and intelligently?

Whitney Houston was a hood rat, mother, great singer, drug addict, recovering drug

addict, actress, songwriter, wife, daughter, asshole just like all of us. Cut the crap

and let's talk about her life in its totality - I bet ya that, just like MJ, life will go on and

we all will recover.

I'm not trolling or trying to argue: I make sure that each of my posts are mostly thought-

ful; y'all know you're never going to get a Chuckaducci post that hasn't been well thought

out.

PatrickS77 said:

nursev said:

dannyd5050 said: people ar making jokes, but this is someone who was a beautiful soul and just lost her way. Celebs are human too and people really need to stop harassing them day in and night on the internet. These are real folks with real problems the same harassment MJ got-they did to whitney too. May God keep her beautiful soul I just can't take anymore-God knows if Prince or anybody else goes soon I'm not gonna handle it well. I loved whitney's voice-so sad.

I'm not really sure whether I like how Michael is linked to this. And how did she get the same treatment or harrasment Michael got? Did they accuse her of child molestation? Did he got on stage intoxicated, screwing up his shows, leaving paying fans disappointed? Did he do recreational drugs? Did he make headlines for years for substance abuse?? Those are two total separate cases. The only thing they share is that they died prematurely. Both is shocking, albeit for different reasons.

I dont get the comparisions at all

I swear if they put B'Weave up on that Grammy stage to sing one of Nippy's songs, I am done with society!!!

kygermo said:

JonnyApplesauce said:

Far too often when something bad happens, the black guy gets blamed. Whitney Houston was trying to please too many people, specifically trying to "keep it real" when she should have walked away from a whole host of rats. Why did Clive Davis have her singing "popular" music in the first place when it was beneath her? If white industry suits didnt aggressively market, and endorse the culture of trash she'd still be breathing and that aint got nothing to do with Bobby Brown.

With all due respect, dont pull the race card on this. This aint the time nor the place. Whitney was a grown-ass woman, and she made poor decisions along the way (as we all tend to from time to time). Maybe you're right when you say the (ahem) "White Industry Suits" (nice avatar by the way) DO market a trash culture, but Bobby is to blame for Whitney's downfall, and you are in fucking denial if you disagree.

So which is she, a grown-ass woman, or a victim of Bobby Brown?

sosgemini said:

I swear if they put B'Weave up on that Grammy stage to sing one of Nippy's songs, I am done with society!!!

Exit stage left!

PatrickS77 said:

duccichucka said:

Interesting because Houston was also religious (and so was MJ).

I think it boils down to that MJ and Houston were drug addicts and Prince and Madonna

were not.

Michael didn't die because he was drug addict. He died because his quack doctor put him to sleep.

He may have pulled the trigger but Michael loaded the gun decades before.

sosgemini said:

I swear if they put B'Weave up on that Grammy stage to sing one of Nippy's songs, I am done with society!!!

OH HELL NO... I rather Adele or someone else...

mjscarousal said:

PatrickS77 said:

I'm not really sure whether I like how Michael is linked to this. And how did she get the same treatment or harrasment Michael got? Did they accuse her of child molestation? Did he got on stage intoxicated, screwing up his shows, leaving paying fans disappointed? Did he do recreational drugs? Did he make headlines for years for substance abuse?? Those are two total separate cases. The only thing they share is that they died prematurely. Both is shocking, albeit for different reasons.

I dont get the comparisions at all

Neither do I. With MJ- you can understand why he became the way he did- given all the problems he went with.

I'm sure Whitney had a ton of problems- but certainly not the magnitude that MJ had.

PatrickS77 said:

duccichucka said:

Interesting because Houston was also religious (and so was MJ).

I think it boils down to that MJ and Houston were drug addicts and Prince and Madonna

were not.

Michael didn't die because he was drug addict. He died because his quack doctor put him to sleep.

Are you saying Michael wasn't a drug addict?

No disrespect but I agree Michael wasn't a drug addict, he was THE drug addict.

Scenes from the Beverly Hilton hotel where Whitney reportedly passed away. (Getty Images)

People are already gathering at New Hope Baptist Church in Newark...

musicjunky318 said:

PatrickS77 said:

Michael didn't die because he was drug addict. He died because his quack doctor put him to sleep.

He may have pulled the trigger but Michael loaded the gun decades before.

Thats irrelevant from how he passed away. His doctor was unprofessional and negligent.. and please these comparisions needs to stop

mjscarousal said:

May she rest in peace

mjscarousal said:

musicjunky318 said:

He may have pulled the trigger but Michael loaded the gun decades before.

Thats irrelevant from how he passed away. His doctor was unprofessional and negligent.. and please these comparisions needs to stop

How is it irrelevant? If he was healthy he wouldn't have needed a doctor in the first place.