neonlights said:

if you support a celeb based on how they live their private lives then you should stop supporting all of them now. none of them are perfect and are probably doing shit now that some of you don't approve of. and many of you who are judging them are probably doing far more worse things than they are. so no a celebs personal life doesnt gurantee if i support them. i won't support them because i just don't like what they have to offer (music, movies, sports, etc).

ThreadBare said:

neonlights said:

Perhaps there are people who don't like that MJ saw nothing wrong with sleeping in bed with pre-pubescent little boys.

That's. Exactly. Right. All from an artist who claimed he was Peter Pan but had a solidly sexual element to his music and dancing. Never got the way MJ fams let him have it both ways. [Edited 10/28/11 21:25pm]

Which has nothing to do with the point your implying and exactly shows the opposite as far as his sexuality goes if u want to imply how his movements tie in with him as a person

[Edited 10/28/11 21:40pm]

Well, yeah. It happened with Michael Jackson when I was about 15. This was around the time when the child molestation accusations were the only thing circulating in the press about him in the early/mid-90s. Not that I ever really thought of him being guilty, but it had just gotten tiresome to be a "Michael Jackson fan". I also realized then that he wasn't really that excited about being a singer and a songwriter anymore, but rather more interested in leading his eccentric lifestyle. I liked the new songs on History - I understand his reasons for doing those songs -, but it was all a bit too self-centered for me to be a huge fan of the album.

mjscarousal said:

novabrkr said:

Well, yeah. It happened with Michael Jackson when I was about 15. This was around the time when the child molestation accusations were the only thing circulating in the press about him in the early/mid-90s. Not that I ever really thought of him being guilty, but it had just gotten tiresome to be a "Michael Jackson fan". I also realized then that he wasn't really that excited about being a singer and a songwriter anymore, but rather more interested in leading his eccentric lifestyle. I liked the new songs on History - I understand his reasons for doing those songs -, but it was all a bit too self-centered for me to be a huge fan of the album.

I'm a huge fan, but I am so freaking burnt out, being a fan is slowly killing me now, I'm so upset with how things turned out. And after the trial ended, I was burnt out from the defending and felt so depressed he wasn't doing what he should have been doing and had to deal with accusers and trusting too many people and all that stuff, even though I knew he didn't owe anyone anything after so many years of working hard.

Right now, Michael Jackson's death has turned me off from his music videos, clips and interviews. I can handle most of the music fine.

novabrkr said:

I liked the new songs on History - I understand his reasons for doing those songs -, but it was all a bit too self-centered for me to be a huge fan of the album.

Maybe I was stupid, but I never felt that way when I was listening to them. I just felt someone who was angry/pissed the fuck off.

I think you are still thinking about that huge statue of himself floating down the river...

ThreadBare said:

mjscarousal said:

Which has nothing to do with the point your implying and exactly shows the opposite as far as his sexuality goes if u want to imply how his movements tie in with him as a person

[Edited 10/28/11 21:40pm]

I'm sure his porn collection discovered in the Neverland searches had nothing to do with him being a sexual person either. Shamon.

If you didnt exactly follow the case, have a law or CSI degree than I suggest you stop connecting the dots to your own agenda.

Just because so one has heterosexual porn in their big ass ranch house doesnt mean they would commit such a crime.( if that be the case half the people here are suspects)

Not to mention he wasnt the only person living in the house and allowed the house to be open to the public.

and besides once again that has nothing to do with his music...

Its funny how people are so quick to judge other people but bitch when they get judge... FYI that includes celebrities who are REAL people as well...

If you choose to believe gossip and your own deluded assumptions on Michael who was very much misjudged and lied on go rite the fuck ahead

Michael Jackoff to porn After hearing that, I wasn't upset, in fact, my hormones went crazy!

mjscarousal said:

Just because so one has heterosexual porn in their big ass ranch house doesnt mean they would commit such a crime.( if that be the case half the people here are suspects)

Is this what the other poster was alluding too?

That's stupid. Does having heterosexual porn in one's house now make them a pedo? Jesus fucking christ people. This shit is getting beyond ridiculous.

mjscarousal said:

I'm waiting for someone to come in here and complain about fans flaming over Jackson. Its the ignorant foolish attention seeking posters that stir up the drama OVER MJ.

If you want a show... you got it...

When it comes to MJ, you know it's on. No doubt, it's endless

Didn't most of those mags have dates from the time he married LMP? those two were WIIIIIILD the king WAS rocking and rolling literally

[Edited 10/29/11 11:10am]

Unholyalliance said:

mjscarousal said:

Just because so one has heterosexual porn in their big ass ranch house doesnt mean they would commit such a crime.( if that be the case half the people here are suspects)

Is this what the other poster was alluding too?

That's stupid. Does having heterosexual porn in one's house now make them a pedo? Jesus fucking christ people. This shit is getting beyond ridiculous.

Thats the same thing I said!

The purple hoppers here will bring up anything to trash Michael with even if its the dumbest crap in the world... and the sad part about it is.. they can get away with it and the MJ fans ALWAYS end up being the crazy ones..

smh

[Edited 10/29/11 11:29am]

alphastreet said:

Didn't most of those mags have dates from the time he married LMP? those two were WIIIIIILD the king WAS rocking and rolling literally

[Edited 10/29/11 11:10am]

When Huey Lewis and the News sued Ray Parker Jr. for stealing the melody/riff from "I Want a New Drug" for "Ghostbusters", it turned me off to him. First of all the two songs didn't sound alike at all, but come to find out that he (Lewis) was offered the chance to do a song for the movie but he turned it down for Back To The Future, but Parker did it and it became a hit, Lewis was bitter and jealous about it, and he sued.

Definitely Whitney Houston, and Bobby Brown to a lesser degree, I like both of their music back in the day, but when they hooked up, it permanently turned off. Both of their music drastically changed, now I can't really get into their music.

Patti Labelle had been turning me off lately

People talk about MJ on here, I had more respect for MJ when he was going through his issues and the media were taking shots at him, but Janet for me was the one that turned me off from her music. When she hooked up with JD or played around with Justin Timberlake (which she later had to pay for that), it just turned my stomach.

thatruth said:

When Huey Lewis and the News sued Ray Parker Jr. for stealing the melody/riff from "I Want a New Drug" for "Ghostbusters", it turned me off to him. First of all the two songs didn't sound alike at all, but come to find out that he (Lewis) was offered the chance to do a song for the movie but he turned it down for Back To The Future, but Parker did it and it became a hit, Lewis was bitter and jealous about it, and he sued.

I don't ever remember having heard of that controversy, but only now upon reading about it do I realize; those two songs have a very similar sound. I haven't even heard either song in many years; nevertheless, I don't even need to revisit them in order to recall their similarity. I have no opinion on the merit on the reported Lewis lawsuit.

PDogz said:

thatruth said:

When Huey Lewis and the News sued Ray Parker Jr. for stealing the melody/riff from "I Want a New Drug" for "Ghostbusters", it turned me off to him. First of all the two songs didn't sound alike at all, but come to find out that he (Lewis) was offered the chance to do a song for the movie but he turned it down for Back To The Future, but Parker did it and it became a hit, Lewis was bitter and jealous about it, and he sued.

I don't ever remember having heard of that controversy, but only now upon reading about it do I realize; those two songs have a very similar sound. I haven't even heard either song in many years; nevertheless, I don't even need to revisit them in order to recall their similarity. I have no opinion on the merit on the reported Lewis lawsuit.

Hey I coulda sworn there was an episode of I Love the 80s that talked about this. Supposedly, a musicologist was hired as an expert witness to testify in this trial and they concluded that it indeed was a ripoff. I really wondered had it been the other way around if the case would have been dismissed (most likely). But anyway, does anyone else remember seeing this particular episode of I Love the 80s?

This is exactly why I don't pay much attention to an artist's personal life;

I really don't want to be disappointed with someones songs that I love.

Of course there are some artists whose lives you just can't get away from;

but nonetheless, you can still ignore all that baloney because you really don't

know how much of what you read or hear is true.

obsessed said:

This is exactly why I don't pay much attention to an artist's personal life;

I really don't want to be disappointed with someones songs that I love.

Of course there are some artists whose lives you just can't get away from;

but nonetheless, you can still ignore all that baloney because you really don't

know how much of what you read or hear is true.

Bologna

aardvark15 said:

obsessed said:

This is exactly why I don't pay much attention to an artist's personal life;

I really don't want to be disappointed with someones songs that I love.

Of course there are some artists whose lives you just can't get away from;

but nonetheless, you can still ignore all that baloney because you really don't

know how much of what you read or hear is true.

Bologna

No. Baloney...in my world

SeventeenDayze said:

PDogz said:

I don't ever remember having heard of that controversy, but only now upon reading about it do I realize; those two songs have a very similar sound. I haven't even heard either song in many years; nevertheless, I don't even need to revisit them in order to recall their similarity. I have no opinion on the merit on the reported Lewis lawsuit.

Hey I coulda sworn there was an episode of I Love the 80s that talked about this. Supposedly, a musicologist was hired as an expert witness to testify in this trial and they concluded that it indeed was a ripoff. I really wondered had it been the other way around if the case would have been dismissed (most likely). But anyway, does anyone else remember seeing this particular episode of I Love the 80s?

I know we each experience things differently, but I don't know how anyone could not hear how they sound very similar.

RKJCNE said:

alphastreet said:

Didn't most of those mags have dates from the time he married LMP? those two were WIIIIIILD the king WAS rocking and rolling literally

[Edited 10/29/11 11:10am]

I can't help it, if I wanted to.

PDogz said:

thatruth said:

When Huey Lewis and the News sued Ray Parker Jr. for stealing the melody/riff from "I Want a New Drug" for "Ghostbusters", it turned me off to him. First of all the two songs didn't sound alike at all, but come to find out that he (Lewis) was offered the chance to do a song for the movie but he turned it down for Back To The Future, but Parker did it and it became a hit, Lewis was bitter and jealous about it, and he sued.

I don't ever remember having heard of that controversy, but only now upon reading about it do I realize; those two songs have a very similar sound. I haven't even heard either song in many years; nevertheless, I don't even need to revisit them in order to recall their similarity. I have no opinion on the merit on the reported Lewis lawsuit.

Honestly, it was just the the principal of the whole thing. The melody bass line are similar, true but that's really it. I can understand if it was an exact carbon copy (bass line, chorus, bridge, lyrics/theme/concept etc.) of the song, but it wasn't, it was just a similar sound of a bass line, and that's what turned me off. What the hell kind of musician would take another musician to court over a similar melody line? If that's an issue, The Jacksons should've sued Huey Lewis and the News for stealing that melody line from Shake Your Body.

thatruth said:

PDogz said:

I don't ever remember having heard of that controversy, but only now upon reading about it do I realize; those two songs have a very similar sound. I haven't even heard either song in many years; nevertheless, I don't even need to revisit them in order to recall their similarity. I have no opinion on the merit on the reported Lewis lawsuit.

Honestly, it was just the the principal of the whole thing. The melody bass line are similar, true but that's really it. I can understand if it was an exact carbon copy (bass line, chorus, bridge, lyrics/theme/concept etc.) of the song, but it wasn't, it was just a similar sound of a bass line, and that's what turned me off. What the hell kind of musician would take another musician to court over a similar melody line? If that's an issue, The Jacksons should've sued Huey Lewis and the News for stealing that melody line from Shake Your Body.

Well there's the melody & bassline, then there's also the rhythm and time signature that are similar (which aside from the lyrics is basically a song's entire character). Though I do at least appreciate that you actually do hear the similarity, and I respect the overall opinion that you're sharing here. I've always felt that there are only so many notes to a scale, and that sooner or later anything could very well wind up sounding like something that's already been done. I doubt that I would have sued if I had been in Lewis' shoes, but then again who knows (since I wasn't).

So if you think they should be sued , maybe Michael should too for Thriller and Give It To Me Baby having a similar bassline with Michael and Quincy alerting Rick James before the album release, and for Can't Go For That and Billie Jean, which both joked about.

alphastreet said:

So if you think they should be sued , maybe Michael should too for Thriller and Give It To Me Baby having a similar bassline with Michael and Quincy alerting Rick James before the album release, and for Can't Go For That and Billie Jean, which both joked about.

Hahaha, Alpha, just the other day I was wondering about why Thriller and GITMB sounded exactly alike, LOL. Also, same thing with the Hall & Oates song and Billie Jean. So, which one was released first, Hall & Oates or MJ's song? I know Wikipedia can even be edited by toddlers, but does anyone recall hearing anything about this when this song was actually released?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...illie_Jean

[Edited 10/30/11 8:03am]

Hall & Oates released the album first, but I'm not sure which was released as a single first, so it's hard to say. Both MJ and one of the members kinda discussed it a few years later and laughed about it.

SeventeenDayze said:

PDogz said:

I don't ever remember having heard of that controversy, but only now upon reading about it do I realize; those two songs have a very similar sound. I haven't even heard either song in many years; nevertheless, I don't even need to revisit them in order to recall their similarity. I have no opinion on the merit on the reported Lewis lawsuit.

Hey I coulda sworn there was an episode of I Love the 80s that talked about this. Supposedly, a musicologist was hired as an expert witness to testify in this trial and they concluded that it indeed was a ripoff. I really wondered had it been the other way around if the case would have been dismissed (most likely). But anyway, does anyone else remember seeing this particular episode of I Love the 80s?

the segment appears around 19:50 minutes...

Shango said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Hey I coulda sworn there was an episode of I Love the 80s that talked about this. Supposedly, a musicologist was hired as an expert witness to testify in this trial and they concluded that it indeed was a ripoff. I really wondered had it been the other way around if the case would have been dismissed (most likely). But anyway, does anyone else remember seeing this particular episode of I Love the 80s?

the segment appears around 19:50 minutes...

Shango----OMG you rock!!!!!! I was too lazy to look for it but yes, that's exactly the episode I was thinking of! It's really funny to see the comedians weigh in on it and switching up the lyrics Also, I watched a few more minutes of it into the Miami Vice part and wow Don Johnson was so fine back in the day, also did anyone else think that Phillip M Thomas was trying to be a bit like Prince in that video? It's a few minutes after the Huey Lewis piece. Also, did anyone else think, "Wow, that's when MTV actually played videos by people over 30 who had bands who played instruments!"

Im a pretty forgiving person but the one artist i refuse to give any leeway to is R kelly. The guy is extremely talented but i have zero respect for him and i would never buy or listen to any of his albums. As for Michael Jackson. I always gave him the benefit of doubt because their seemed to be more at play than just his weirdness and love for kids. Some of his behaviors, concerning kids, seemed to be abnormal and suspect but the people that accused him of the molestation were also suspect in my book. To me it could have went either way so those accusations never stopped me from listening to his music.

I have stopped listening to a few bands, or Rap artist, because of their sexism, racism, homophobia or thugism though. Ill give them a few chanced but if they keep coming up with the same tired ass negative view points then im outta there.