babybugz said:

mjscarousal said:

Yea you go ahead and do that because I dont make posts based on how other people might perceive them unlike alot of you do. I reply to whatever posts I want and express how I feel..

Just to keep it real... you help to make a playground that was easy bait for the MJ haters which Im sure you were more than aware of when you made it. The ones complaining about some of the posts in this thread has now changed the mood.. people were your answering your question and not fixated on the "MJ love hate fest" that didnt last long

Not at all Michael is my favorite singer and I stay out of threads that bash him I can’t control what’s posted in here. Starting a MJ hate was not my motive .My post was based on any artist not Michael. And you replying in a negative tone to that poster did help set off the thread. But you know what it's okay because I know what my motive and intent was.

And thank you to those that stayed on topic. Mods feel free to lock it.

No no no... regardless if that was your intentions or not asking a question like that on this prince site was going to garner Michael being brought up here. Michael is heavily bashed here and ridiculed . At the same time, their are alot of MJ fans here so I dont know how you can honestly say you didnt know that posters were not going to use MJ as an example when in countless other threads Michael has been the number one example for this very question you are asking. I understand that you did not intend for this thread to be about Michael and neither did I because its not solely about him but seriously asking the question that you asked was going to bring his name in here whether you wanted it or not.

In the very first page Michael is brought up more than one time and I didnt bring him up! I just responded to what another poster said.

I disagree with my responce to another poster changing the entire mood of the thread because even after I responded other members responded to your question and not to what me and another poster was talking about. You and another poster on the other hand DID in fact change the mood of the thread and half the page is about yall complaining about something really small.. which we are still talking about.

Once again I was not trying to change the mood of the thread but couldnt help but call that poster out because his biased and always makes biased posts related to Michael or not.

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mjscarousal said:

babybugz said:

Not at all Michael is my favorite singer and I stay out of threads that bash him I can’t control what’s posted in here. Starting a MJ hate was not my motive .My post was based on any artist not Michael. And you replying in a negative tone to that poster did help set off the thread. But you know what it's okay because I know what my motive and intent was.

And thank you to those that stayed on topic. Mods feel free to lock it.

No no no... regardless if that was your intentions or not asking a question like that on this prince site was going to garner Michael being brought up here. Michael is heavily bashed here and ridiculed . At the same time, their are alot of MJ fans here so I dont know how you can honestly say you didnt know that posters were not going to use MJ as an example when in countless other threads Michael has been the number one example for this very question you are asking. I understand that you did not intend for this thread to be about Michael and neither did I because its not solely about him but seriously asking the question that you asked was going to bring his name in here whether you wanted it or not.

In the very first page Michael is brought up more than one time and I didnt bring him up! I just responded to what another poster said.

I disagree with my responce to another poster changing the entire mood of the thread because even after I responded other members responded to your question and not to what me and another poster was talking about. You and another poster on the other hand DID in fact change the mood of the thread and half the page is about yall complaining about something really small.. which we are still talking about.

Once again I was not trying to change the mood of the thread but couldnt help but call that poster out because his biased and always makes biased posts related to Michael or not.

I agree with this, no disrespect to the OP, but even in non mj threads on the main forum, haters throw him in , so it's bound to happen.

Timmy84 said:

Anyway this thread ain't about Michael Jackson, it's about artists.

Yes, but Michael Jackson - the main person in this section and had obviously the most scandalous personal life, unfortunately.
It is very convenient for the haters, to speculate on his personal life, because only in this area, their favorite artists could win bonus, because it is very difficult to compete with MJ-artist.

When I first saw the topic title, I knew where it leads.

In any case, I'm not interested in personal life of my favorite artists much, I do not even know when was born Klaus Meine. Oops!
Personal life can not turn me off from music, but I can not be a fan of the artist, if his personal life is distasteful to me, I'll just listener or even fan of his music only.

Nope! If I like their music, I like their music. I remember when that Donna Summer rumour started and a whole slew of gay Donna Summer fans turned their backs on her for something she supposedly said. I remember seeing a very small comment about it in, I believe, a People magazine. I was like, "If she said it, she said it! She has a right to her opinion even if it isn't in agreement with my opinion." I wasn't about to stop listening to her. Then, it turns out, she didn't say what she was accused of saying. What can you do though. People will almost always believe what they read without having the ability to actually get it straight from the horse's mouth. And, no! I'm not calling Donna a horse. Although, some who are still holding grudges might:)

No, not really.

I honestly think people that name George Michael in this thread is a bit homophobic, just saying.

xLiberiangirl said:

No, not really.

I honestly think people that name George Michael in this thread is a bit homophobic, just saying.

And what did George? why his name is so often remembered in this topic?
I like George Michael, he is gorgeous singer, but about the scandals associated with his name, never heard of it. Besides the fact that he is gay, but I did not think that this fact might be confused someone on this forum.

Prince fans are usually tolerant, because the behavior of Prince, is hardly fit into the norms of society.

The only one has been R. Kelly. That tape just turned my insides out. After that, couldn't get with his music.

missfee said:

The only one has been R. Kelly. That tape just turned my insides out. After that, couldn't get with his music.

This.

Should it? I don't know. I usually think of art like a child no more to be judged by the artist then a child should be judged by their parent. But there are cases when I seem unable to seperate the baby from the bathwater.

Deadflow3r said:

missfee said:

The only one has been R. Kelly. That tape just turned my insides out. After that, couldn't get with his music.

This.

Should it? I don't know. I usually think of art like a child no more to be judged by the artist then a child should be judged by their parent. But there are cases when I seem unable to seperate the baby from the bathwater.

Thank you! Do I want someone's personal lives to obstruct my perception of the art? No but sometimes it just happens. Oddly enough, I can watch a Roman Polanski or Woody Allen film with no problem. Yet, listening to "All I Wanna Do (Is Have Some Fun)" makes me cringe now knowing that ole heffa Crow has taken two married men away from their wives.

Strange, ehh?

Can't say I've been "turned off" of the music, but some artists personal lives have turned me off of them. Such as:

Rick James

John Mayer

Ted Nugent

Michael Jackson (to a degree)

R. Kelly

Just to name a few.

sosgemini said:

Deadflow3r said:

This.

Should it? I don't know. I usually think of art like a child no more to be judged by the artist then a child should be judged by their parent. But there are cases when I seem unable to seperate the baby from the bathwater.

Thank you! Do I want someone's personal lives to obstruct my perception of the art? No but sometimes it just happens. Oddly enough, I can watch a Roman Polanski or Woody Allen film with no problem. Yet, listening to "All I Wanna Do (Is Have Some Fun)" makes me cringe now knowing that ole heffa Crow has taken two married men away from their wives.

Strange, ehh?

It is strange. It is never drugs that ruins it for me. Like when people were all pissy about Amy Winehouse I kept thinking "She has not even come close to Billie". Sometimes it is also easier when they are dead. Once MJ died his music was much easier to listen to; the child has outlived the Daddy and was free to roam the airwaves on it's own merit. Maybe Cheryl just needs to drop dead for you to enjoy that song again . I never loved her music enough to wish her death. (Is that a backhanded compliment?)

I know I have said this multiple times, but I really just don't bother much with celebrity news and all that bullshit, because it does taint the opinion about the art. When I am listening to music, the last thing I want to think about is whatever stupid shit the artist is doing. I just want to enjoy the art. Even if the artist says some dumbass bullshit (which a lot of them do) I don't let that stop me from enjoying a great album/song that they put out.

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In fact, no offense to those who do it, but I don't understand WHY some people get their panties in a bunch when an artist that they listen to does something dumb or slightly objectionable and they have to stop listening/enjoying to their music. I find it just as asinine on the person's part as well. I mean wtf does whatever they do have to do with you? Nothing. It's not as if they killed your family. You don't even know them. I can understand not wanting to financially support them anymore if they are, for example, proven to be violating other's human rights or using their music to promote an less than desirable agenda, such as racism, intolerance, or saving dying puppies (for some I guess). Then I can, totally, understand that. Yet to go "I can't enjoy the music of an artist that shows their dick to others." Like, really? He didn't show his dick to you so why the fuck do you even care?!?!

None of us are fucking perfect and neither are any of them. I don't know why anyone would expect them to be so. If I were to stop listening and enjoying the music of every single artist that did something I didn't approve or agree with I wouldn't be listening to anyone. Is it really that hard to seperate the art and the artist?! At the end of the day, no one is even going to remember half of the shit that they did during their lifetime anyways when they and we are dead.

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babybugz said:

mjscarousal said:

You know damn well Michael damn Jackson was going to come up based on the OP's question. Thats like the jerry curl thread, a pop icon thread etc. Yes at times its annoying as hell well no... its annoying as hell ANY time and very unnessary MJ is mentioned constantly in threads non related to him BUT this was clearly baited..

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Just to keep it real .. you help change the mood of the thread. But it's whatever I'll just make another thread on another topic later lmao.

Really, no offense inteded mjscarousal - but you have a great Love for someone who led a complicated and contradictory PUBLIC life. Seems like you need to reinforce your chin a little bit and start taking some of "it" there. Lady T is well received on the org, but that is not always the case everywhere. Frankly, I have to put on my Duck's Back and let the water slide off sometimes. If you see it coming ... pick and choose your battles. (And while I am not familiar with other threads started by babybugz I don't think this was necessarily designed for baiting a response about Michael. R Kelly fans, or Christina A. fans might as easily declare this a bait thread for their favorite artist.) Be well.

How about all the artist who we know nothing about and therefore avoid their music because we simply don't know it exists? There is a ton of great music out there that is barely being listened to. I think the fact that because the personal life of the artist was rather it did not help sell their releases. The truth is Bad Publicity is Better Than No Publicity At All.

There are so many artists that I listen to that it is by chance that I ever got to hear their stuff because it is never played on the radio and they are seldom mentioned in the media. I think these controversial artists make more money then they loose by being so in the public's face with their nonsense.

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NaQu said:

tricky question

many artists are just too smart to reveal their true views, to begin with, and I'm happy with that, since I don't wanna know the ugly truth. That's why I've barely read any bio. I even started to dislike Jagger (slighty) after reading a Stones bio some years ago...until I accepted that he had to be a cunt many times in order to survive in the industry...

but I guess that wife-beating creeps, peadophiles, murderers and racists are too much for me, even if the artist is great. Perhaps not coincidentally, my fav artists are none of the above.

that said, I don't have problems at all with arrogance, not at all, arrogance is even cool...

bobbyperu said:

NaQu said:

George Michael waving his dick in public restrooms at undercover cops pretty much ensured that I wouldn't have any further use for him after that.

Jim Morrison did the same thing on stage. I still like The Doors. Cuck Berry, James Brown and Ike Turner weren't nice guys all the time... Marvin Gaye was a walking disaster area in his personal life. Still the best singer ever in popular music.

To all the George Michael fans: what he did in the restroom was STUPID, DUMB and Ignorant, not to mention Disrespecfull to the gay community, and you may not want to admit it, but it did cost him as far as his USA fans are concernd. Elton John didn't come out by making a stupid fool of himself and I respect him for that.

sosgemini said:

Deadflow3r said:

This.

Should it? I don't know. I usually think of art like a child no more to be judged by the artist then a child should be judged by their parent. But there are cases when I seem unable to seperate the baby from the bathwater.

Thank you! Do I want someone's personal lives to obstruct my perception of the art? No but sometimes it just happens. Oddly enough, I can watch a Roman Polanski or Woody Allen film with no problem. Yet, listening to "All I Wanna Do (Is Have Some Fun)" makes me cringe now knowing that ole heffa Crow has taken two married men away from their wives.

Strange, ehh?

Have you ever heard the real story about the "Tuesday Night Music Club?"

It's worse than sleeping with a married man, even.

NDRU said:

sosgemini said:

Thank you! Do I want someone's personal lives to obstruct my perception of the art? No but sometimes it just happens. Oddly enough, I can watch a Roman Polanski or Woody Allen film with no problem. Yet, listening to "All I Wanna Do (Is Have Some Fun)" makes me cringe now knowing that ole heffa Crow has taken two married men away from their wives.

Strange, ehh?

Have you ever heard the real story about the "Tuesday Night Music Club?"

It's worse than sleeping with a married man, even.

Should I google this?

Deadflow3r said:

NDRU said:

Have you ever heard the real story about the "Tuesday Night Music Club?"

It's worse than sleeping with a married man, even.

Should I google this?

Let's be lazy. NDRU, do share.

Deadflow3r said:

NDRU said:

Have you ever heard the real story about the "Tuesday Night Music Club?"

It's worse than sleeping with a married man, even.

Should I google this?

http://articles.sfgate.co...music-club

NDRU said:

Deadflow3r said:

Should I google this?

http://articles.sfgate.co...music-club

The short story is that she apparently used these guys to make her first record, took the credit, then dumped one of them who ended up killing himself.

Make what you want of it, I am sure the guy had problems, but I remember reading another version of this story that said the same thing, that she pretty much left everyone in her dust and downplayed their contributions. And that one of the guys was really in love with her and killed himself, but who knows the whole story?

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madhattter said:

To all the George Michael fans: what he did in the restroom was STUPID, DUMB and Ignorant, not to mention Disrespecfull to the gay community, and you may not want to admit it, but it did cost him as far as his USA fans are concernd. Elton John didn't come out by making a stupid fool of himself and I respect him for that.

What George is doing with his penis is actually a longstanding and exciting tradition within the queer community. It is a tradition born from cultural oppression and the hyper sexuality of men in general - it serves some gay men well; it takes some bravery of the heart and of the mind, son, to engage this one. Your statement is what is really "disrespectful to the gay community" in that you have internalized the broader homophobia present in our culture and decided to apply it to my people with the idea that there are some gay people who "ruin it for the rest of us." Fuck that. I don't cruise and I don't do drag - just not my thing - but I will defend and support my queer brothers and sisters who do. Your perspective seems steeped in fear. Wake the fuck up and stop being a cog in the heterocentic wheel. Show the world that you are not "STUPID, DUMB and Ignorant" by rejecting this desperate-to-fit-in bullshit. And your bitch Elton John was far more "disrespectful" by being a drunk drug addict living a lie for many many many years; you respect a "stupid fool" even Elton John would acknowledge that he was an ASSHOLE for more years than you have probably been alive. Gain your power, just don't step on queer heads to lift your ass up. Educate yourself about queer history - there is "Another Mother Tongue." (Judy Grahn)

"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a communist; Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a socialist; Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a trade unionist; Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a Jew; Then they came for me-- and there was no one left to speak out for me." is just one of many variations of a poem attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group.

It never has and it never will! Art is art. How could I be turned off by art because of rumors/allegations/stories regarding the artist? That's beyond stupid. My music collection would be empty if I cared for an artist's personal life.

I find it funny that people put so much weight on music artists but have no problem watching a movie created by Roman Polanski or Woody Allen. Or even admiring a painting by an artist with a crazy background. Hypocritical.

Besides I don't think people worry much for the artist's personal life before the internet. There are many old school artists who are still viewed as legends despite everything. Chuck Berry, Marvin Gaye, Elvis Presley and James Brown - just to name a few.

because their art is our only connection to them, I judge them on how they are doing with respect to their art.

I think it is pretty unfair to judge them on stuff we really don't know anything about. If Prince was cruel to me personally, maybe I would stop liking his music, but if he didn't let Mayte call him on the phone, that really has nothing to do with me or his music.

Similarly, I don't judge my friends for being terrible artists because art is not the reason they are in my life.

NDRU said:

NDRU said:

http://articles.sfgate.co...music-club

The short story is that she apparently used these guys to make her first record, took the credit, then dumped one of them who ended up killing himself.

Make what you want of it, I am sure the guy had problems, but I remember reading another version of this story that said the same thing, that she pretty much left everyone in her dust and downplayed their contributions. And that one of the guys was really in love with her and killed himself, but who knows the whole story?

Wow, she comes off like a Class A Douche in that article.

NDRU said:

because their art is our only connection to them, I judge them on how they are doing with respect to their art.

I think it is pretty unfair to judge them on stuff we really don't know anything about. If Prince was cruel to me personally, maybe I would stop liking his music, but if he didn't let Mayte call him on the phone, that really has nothing to do with me or his music.

Similarly, I don't judge my friends for being terrible artists because art is not the reason they are in my life.

But YOU don't know them so it makes no sense to be upset by what you hear from a secondary source and start to detest their art. That makes no sense. IMO, a true music/art lover doesn't judge the artist, just the art.

neonlights said:

NDRU said:

because their art is our only connection to them, I judge them on how they are doing with respect to their art.

I think it is pretty unfair to judge them on stuff we really don't know anything about. If Prince was cruel to me personally, maybe I would stop liking his music, but if he didn't let Mayte call him on the phone, that really has nothing to do with me or his music.

Similarly, I don't judge my friends for being terrible artists because art is not the reason they are in my life.

But YOU don't know them so it makes no sense to be upset by what you hear from a secondary source and start to detest their art. That makes no sense. IMO, a true music/art lover doesn't judge the artist, just the art.

yes, that's just what I was saying