allsmutaside said:

madhattter said:

To all the George Michael fans: what he did in the restroom was STUPID, DUMB and Ignorant, not to mention Disrespecfull to the gay community, and you may not want to admit it, but it did cost him as far as his USA fans are concernd. Elton John didn't come out by making a stupid fool of himself and I respect him for that.

What George is doing with his penis is actually a longstanding and exciting tradition within the queer community. It is a tradition born from cultural oppression and the hyper sexuality of men in general - it serves some gay men well; it takes some bravery of the heart and of the mind, son, to engage this one. Your statement is what is really "disrespectful to the gay community" in that you have internalized the broader homophobia present in our culture and decided to apply it to my people with the idea that there are some gay people who "ruin it for the rest of us." Fuck that. I don't cruise and I don't do drag - just not my thing - but I will defend and support my queer brothers and sisters who do. Your perspective seems steeped in fear. Wake the fuck up and stop being a cog in the heterocentic wheel. Show the world that you are not "STUPID, DUMB and Ignorant" by rejecting this desperate-to-fit-in bullshit. And your bitch Elton John was far more "disrespectful" by being a drunk drug addict living a lie for many many many years; you respect a "stupid fool" even Elton John would acknowledge that he was an ASSHOLE for more years than you have probably been alive. Gain your power, just don't step on queer heads to lift your ass up. Educate yourself about queer history - there is "Another Mother Tongue." (Judy Grahn)

"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a communist; Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a socialist; Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a trade unionist; Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- because I was not a Jew; Then they came for me-- and there was no one left to speak out for me." is just one of many variations of a poem attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group.

STOP BEEING SO SENSITIVE! STUPID IS STUPID IS STUPID and your boy as in George Michael did a stupid thing as far as his career is concerned. WTF was he thinking showing his shit to an undercover cop. Ain't nuthin' you can say that will "justify" his actions. Wheather I was gay or straight, I wouldn't want to see his dick as I'm taking a piss or otherwise. To me thats a lack of respect for the unknowing victum! Sorry dude, I can't justify that. I'm glad he got his perverted ass CAUGHT in the act! You know damn well he wasn't supposed to be doing that shit and thats why he got arrested!!!!!!!!!

xLiberiangirl said:

NaQu said:

George Michael waving his dick in public restrooms at undercover cops pretty much ensured that I wouldn't have any further use for him after that.

NDRU said:

because their art is our only connection to them, I judge them on how they are doing with respect to their art.

I think it is pretty unfair to judge them on stuff we really don't know anything about. If Prince was cruel to me personally, maybe I would stop liking his music, but if he didn't let Mayte call him on the phone, that really has nothing to do with me or his music.

Similarly, I don't judge my friends for being terrible artists because art is not the reason they are in my life.

Sometimes it just happens. It is like a reoccuring bad taste in your mouth. I don't think I can force myself to listen to some of these people again. Luckily we don't know that much about other people in our lives. I don't know how my dentist treats his wife and kids, nor my doctor. I know that my daughter's last years teacher was divorced but I do not know why. Fortunately most people in this world have privacy and I like it like that.

However if you do every interview and appearance that comes your way and reach for the spotlight all the time when things are going good, expect that same amount of attention when things are not looking so good for you.

Also don't allow your PR people to try and portray you as a Wholesome All American type. If you are a freak you know it. I don't think Prince ever went too nutty trying to portray himself as wholesome until he joined the JW's. Don't sell pictures of you and your loving family every chance you get to every magazine that will pay you.

Terrib3Towel said:

It's a shame how people can defend pedophiles. It's downright disgusting.

It's a shame how people judge people they don't understand. How the call them pedophiles without any proof! It's downright disgusting.

As a gay who grew up in the digital age I have a more troubling view on cruising. I don't generally disrespect people who do it, but I find it troubling that someone as gorgeous as George Michael couldn't just go out and finds a gay to hop on him in the privacy of his own home. I just look forward to the day where cruising is eliminated by the ability to just go out and meet without the need to be discreet.

That being said I didn't loose respect for George because I sympathize with him, society basically dictated that he couldn't be an out star and because of that his sexual needs has to be met through discreet and illegal means.

RKJCNE said:

As a gay who grew up in the digital age I have a more troubling view on cruising. I don't generally disrespect people who do it, but I find it troubling that someone as gorgeous as George Michael couldn't just go out and finds a gay to hop on him in the privacy of his own home. I just look forward to the day where cruising is eliminated by the ability to just go out and meet without the need to be discreet.

That being said I didn't loose respect for George because I sympathize with him, society basically dictated that he couldn't be an out star and because of that his sexual needs has to be met through discreet and illegal means.

Nahh, that's not George's issue. George just likes the thrill of outdoor sex. Straight people do it, too. There's just more of it from teh gays cause men in general are hunting for sex and willing to do it it in public places at a higher rate than woman soooooo---cruising ain't ever going away. Welcome to the real world.

RKJCNE said:

babybugz said:

Now back to the topic, I am totally bothered by the fact that I actually like some Chris Brown songs.

His old songs are good imo 2005 -2008 Chris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything he doing now.

Deadflow3r said:

NDRU said:

because their art is our only connection to them, I judge them on how they are doing with respect to their art.

I think it is pretty unfair to judge them on stuff we really don't know anything about. If Prince was cruel to me personally, maybe I would stop liking his music, but if he didn't let Mayte call him on the phone, that really has nothing to do with me or his music.

Similarly, I don't judge my friends for being terrible artists because art is not the reason they are in my life.

Sometimes it just happens. It is like a reoccuring bad taste in your mouth. I don't think I can force myself to listen to some of these people again. Luckily we don't know that much about other people in our lives. I don't know how my dentist treats his wife and kids, nor my doctor. I know that my daughter's last years teacher was divorced but I do not know why. Fortunately most people in this world have privacy and I like it like that.

However if you do every interview and appearance that comes your way and reach for the spotlight all the time when things are going good, expect that same amount of attention when things are not looking so good for you.

Also don't allow your PR people to try and portray you as a Wholesome All American type. If you are a freak you know it. I don't think Prince ever went too nutty trying to portray himself as wholesome until he joined the JW's. Don't sell pictures of you and your loving family every chance you get to every magazine that will pay you.

Well it's unavoidable, I suppose, when "artists" mix their personal and professional lives. That is maybe why the most admirable ones don't really go into detail about their personal lives.

Yes, it's difficult to enjoy watching Michael Vick play football knowing he got a kick out of watching dogs kill each other and even enjoyed killing them himself.

But if my favorite artist got drunk and made a dumb comment, I am not going to write off their whole careers.

NDRU said:

Deadflow3r said:

Sometimes it just happens. It is like a reoccuring bad taste in your mouth. I don't think I can force myself to listen to some of these people again. Luckily we don't know that much about other people in our lives. I don't know how my dentist treats his wife and kids, nor my doctor. I know that my daughter's last years teacher was divorced but I do not know why. Fortunately most people in this world have privacy and I like it like that.

However if you do every interview and appearance that comes your way and reach for the spotlight all the time when things are going good, expect that same amount of attention when things are not looking so good for you.

Also don't allow your PR people to try and portray you as a Wholesome All American type. If you are a freak you know it. I don't think Prince ever went too nutty trying to portray himself as wholesome until he joined the JW's. Don't sell pictures of you and your loving family every chance you get to every magazine that will pay you.

Well it's unavoidable, I suppose, when "artists" mix their personal and professional lives. That is maybe why the most admirable ones don't really go into detail about their personal lives.

Yes, it's difficult to enjoy watching Michael Vick play football knowing he got a kick out of watching dogs kill each other and even enjoyed killing them himself.

But if my favorite artist got drunk and made a dumb comment, I am not going to write off their whole careers.

Dumb comments don't matter to me. I think over exposure turns me off in general. I also don't care who they show their privates to unless it is a child. I never could understand the whole thing with the very talented Pee Wee Herman. What the hell was everyone else in the theater doing? I honestly thought men jerking off was a given in a XXX movie theater back in the day. It wasn't like he went to see "On Golden Pond" or something.

HonestMan13 said:

R.Kelly and the alleged video and the chiled involved pretty ended any chance of me buying his music.

I 4GOT ABOUT THAT ANAL DOUCHE BAG!

To this day I will not support R. Kelly financially.

HotGritz said:

HonestMan13 said:

R.Kelly and the alleged video and the chiled involved pretty ended any chance of me buying his music.

I 4GOT ABOUT THAT ANAL DOUCHE BAG!

To this day I will not support R. Kelly financially.

Chris seemed like a good boy before the Rihanna thing. He said sorry already and he has a temper, though I don't really know what he's like. And this has nothing to do with the incident, but his music just did nothing for me after 2009. It's not like I loved him before it either, but he had a few decent cuts.

alphastreet said:

Chris seemed like a good boy before the Rihanna thing. He said sorry already and he has a temper, though I don't really know what he's like. And this has nothing to do with the incident, but his music just did nothing for me after 2009. It's not like I loved him before it either, but he had a few decent cuts.

For me his music got 10x better after. LOL. I was never into him. Deuces was the first song I really loved. Then Yeah 3x.

I didn't understand why people were all over him for run it or whatever it was called when he came out, but I liked the one song from his first album where he has on the suit, gimmie that I think was the name,such a good video and beat. And then three songs off his second album, with you, no air and one song that was all dancy and sounded like a timbaland beat , I think it was something about waiting for one night.

The music and image of chris brown now is very forced. He was more natural when he first came out he's embracing the bad boy/thug vibe and being hard in his songs and people feel the songs sound better because of it lmao. F.A.M.E was decent then he went backwards with the rapping and he still on that kiddie vibe . His dancing is his lifesaver these days.

I love this Chris Brown song, but it's really all about Benni Benassi!

I have no idea what's taking so long for chris to make his bootlegged confessions.

i must add R. Kelly & Jay Z to my George Michael list

datdude said:

i must add R. Kelly & Jay Z to my George Michael list

What did Jay-Z do?

jeidee said:

michael jackson sinead oconnor lady gaga britney spurrs miss piggy

I didn't realize that Lady Gaga had a personal life!

if i like a song i really dont care who the artist is. even if i cant stand somebody i can be objective when it comes to the art and if im feeling it i will listen to it. now there are artists who personal lives have turned me off from them as far as being a big fan. i grew up listening to michael jackson was a die hard fanatic at one point, his personal issues turned me off from him but i will never stop loving his music. r kelly is kinda different, its hard for me to enjoy alot of his music now, im sorry but his freaky songs creep me out now that i know he's a molester.

R. Kelly.

I don't get how people, especially black women, continue to support him.

While cleaning & organizing my CD collection last week, I came across many CD's that I had completely forgotten I even had, some of which weren't even opened yet. When I came across the CD's Maxi-Single "Who Am I - Beenie Man" I threw it directly in the trash, realizing it wasn't a CD I would ever be playing again. And yes, it was due to some of his personal views that I learned of only after having purchased that CD.

sosgemini said:

Yes, Doyle Bramhall and Sheryl Crow hooking up while he was married to Susannah turned me off to their music. Maybe in time I won't feel the same way but right now I skip their ish whenever it pops up on my playlist.

I don't know how I missed that little tidbit! Was that fairly recent?

TonyVanDam said:

The moment I found out that R.Kelly once urinated on an underage girl that he once had sexual relations with, I find it impossible listening to any tracks from the 12 Play album.

True story.

Altough RKelly definitely does the kind of music I love, I've never been able to get into him because I just have this ongoing disgust for him. I can't explain it. I guess it's his whole persona---including the "rumors" you mentioned. He just totally turns me off.

missfee said:

The only one has been R. Kelly. That tape just turned my insides out. After that, couldn't get with his music.

I said something similar a few minutes ago, missfee, and I was thinking right after that he's the only one that comes to mind. Strange, isn't it? There are other artists that have done things that I don't like, but he's the only one that I feel that strongly about.

Javi said:

If anything, Michael Jackson's personal life has increased my interest for his music. A sensitive, sweet human being. You don't get that too often these days.

Agreed.

NewPowerSista said:

sosgemini said:

Yes, Doyle Bramhall and Sheryl Crow hooking up while he was married to Susannah turned me off to their music. Maybe in time I won't feel the same way but right now I skip their ish whenever it pops up on my playlist.

I don't know how I missed that little tidbit! Was that fairly recent?

Uh hu. Susannah found out about it just like everyone else, via the tabloids when they reported "Sheryl and her new man" attend an event. Tabs didn't know who he was or report that he was married. Just that she had a new man and pics of them holding hads. Shaddy, huh?