MyNameIsPiper said:

Not at all because I'd rock it, too. Also everything else, except the genie pants. Well, not too crazy about the hat, but that's just me.

MyNameIsPiper said:

Odd thing about the last pic is, he looks like a girl, i think is the most beautiful i have seen in yrs, cant show her pic, as she is married, but i can tell you she is from paraguay and her husband is a rugby player...

I pray she never has to use photoshop like michael

Some American fans have made a petition for him to perform in the states

http://www.thepetitionsit...el-jackson

unique said:

It seems like MJ has learned the do's and don't in showbiz from his days in Motown. I do remember watching the Jacksons movie (The Jacksons- An American Dream) and does show Suzanne De Passe (played by Vanessa Williams) telling them how to behave or do interviews with media people. Gordy saying stuff about how PR and marketing is very important and all. Mj has adapted himself I guess to the Motown machine, and used what he learned there and applied those rules to his professional solo career.

But yes, MJ does come across as very immature and irresponsible person- of course this is based on his demeanor in public- wearing the mask, pyjamas, getting into trouble with all these lawsuits against him.

MJ is a great singer no doubt and treats his fans well, but I get the impression the man is a bit out of touch with reality. I guess that's what happens to people who start in showbiz at such a young age. They don't really get to go through the same experiences people usually go through in life.

I also wouldn't be surprised if something went wrong with Michael right after that Pepsi accident, because even his friend David Gest said that MJ became an entirely different person after that accident, and prior to the accident- he had a tight hold of his professional career.

http://music.moldova.org/...6-eng.html
[Edited 3/22/09 21:33pm]

suga10 said:

But the thing is he IS above all rules. People let him get away with things which is why he thinks it in the first place. Even though I hated the whole trial in 2005 I really hope it did some good in waking him up and made him come back to reality. As has been said he's always been immature and childish so I'm not sure that has changed. But I do sense something is different about him. Like hes taking life a bit more seriously

Arnotts said:

I agree with that to some extent- he at least realized that it was wrong to have sleepovers in Neverland.He's also toned down the crazy PR crap- the history statues and people going nuts over him, the elephant man, bubbles, etc.

But prior to the trial, I think the man was at his ultimate highest point of being soo out of touch with reality. As much as the Bashir documentary might have bit biased, there's no denying that MJ did seem a bit out of touch- having all those mannequins in his hotel room in Las Vegas, riding around in mini cars in Neverland,the Blanket balcony incident for instance.

Due to multi-quoting I am unsure who made the statement below. Ultimately that isn't important as I am not having a go at the person but rather wanting to clear up some misconceptions.

"...as to his professionalism, many people have commented on how childish and immature he has been, even quincy jones mentions this in his biography. even MJ's biographer has said that he and many other people he has interviewed for his bio has said that MJ is a pathelogical liar".

Not sure who you are referring to here in terms of the biographer. There have been many bio's written about Michael, some credible some simply not. You always have to take things with a grain of salt and not put too much credence in biographies, especially those that love to tout the "unauthorised" tag as it gives the misconception they have the real dirt.


"for example, he claims he has only had surgery on his nose to help him breathe, but even stevie wonder could tell you that he's done far more than that."

In several interviews Michael has talked about his surgeries and discussed the number of operations, and stating he claims it is only one is incorrect. I think Michael looks at operations in terms of work done to the area, nose, chin and counts them, rather than thinking oh I have had 3 nose operations, one cleft in the chin, etc etc. And yes it is obvious he has had multiple surgeries but a lot of the time I think the media gets carried away with how many and on what areas.


"... it's like he has been raised to lie all his life to protect him and his family, so lying is second nature to him and he sees no wrong in it. that's the kind of person you are dealing with. someone who will appear on a tv interview and tell the world that he sleeps with children that aren't his own, and sees no wrong in it. that's not normal or professional behaviour as far as i'm concerned. it may be to you or other's, but to me it's an indication that he doesn't feel bound by the laws or conventions of society and thus could pull out of any agreement."

You touch on something important here, since day one Michael has been taught that bending the truth is just good PR - eg claiming he was 9 instead of 11 when he first started with the Jackson 5 at Motown. And yes, I think in the past Michael has suffered from no one around him being willing to stand up and say "No" or "That's not a good idea". Unfortunately for many entertainers, when you are surrounded by people who rely on you for a living they are more likely to say yes to you to collect a paycheck than do what is in your best interest.



"..he went behind paul maccartneys back and bought the beatles rights, so he appears to have little in the way of morals too"

Have to correct you on this point. If you want to know the story behind the history of The Beatles deal there is a great book out called "Another Northern Song" that takes you through the history of how the Lennon/McCartney songwriting began, publishing, it being owned by Robert Holmes a Court, then sold to Michael, it then being half owned by Sony/ATV etc etc.

The upshot though in particular to Paul and Michael is this:

Paul introduced Michael to the idea of buying publishing rights, as Paul has amassed quite a decent collection of publishing rights to early rock 'n' roll songs. When Robert Holmes a Court was looking to sell ATV he approached Yoko Ono and Paul McCartney first - both felt the asking price was too high and turned down the offer. Yoko Ono subsequently informed Michael of the sale as did his lawyer and advisor at the time John Branca. Michael made a bid for ATV, and back and forth it went until a price was met and Michael bought ATV (including Northern Songs).

Since then McCartney has wanted to take the position of hard done by artist, when in fact he had a chance to buy the rights and chose not to.

So to claim Michael stabbed Paul in the back is wrong. At the end of the day McCartney just didn't value them as much as Michael did.


"So with no morals and no respect for law or convention, what makes you think he will agree to do something that he hasn't done in 12 years, a quarter of his life? sounds like blind faith to me, and i don't blame you for that, but you can't ignore facts".

Yes, he hasn't performed a full tour in 12 years, but that doesn't mean he can't. And as far as ignoring facts goes, its better to have your facts right in the first place.

I think it's reasonable to state that shows might be cancelled - it is a possibility, but unfair to already be saying the shows will be. Sometimes things beyond control happen, but I expect any cancelled shows will be rescheduled and that all dates will be performed.

At the end of the day I think Michael is keen to get out there and prove himself. And you can't be upset with the fans for wanting to enjoy the build up.

Swa

Rachael Ray?

Whitnail said:

Thanks Whit! Let's hope I've replied to this post in the 'correct' way and not 'messed up' yet again! So, we're now the 'pathetic' ones on the org. eh? "And that says what...?!" I agree, I would be pleased (and amazed) too, if he could blow everyone's socks off, but being realistic I also doubt it. My brother is going to see him in September, so I'm looking forward to his review...! Of course if it's not up to par, there will be all sorts of excuses for that, yet again... (and waiting.....)

PatrickS77 said:

Well i'm gonna make my own list since their is some serious missing songs in that list on the site


(not in order to tired for that)

1. Shake Your Body (Down to the ground)
2. All Night Dancin'
3. Dapper Dan
4. Different Kind of Lady
5. Working Day and Night
6. The Lady in my Life
7. Break of Dawn
8. She's out of my life (but not in full)
9. Dirty Diana
10. Give Into Me
11. Keep the Faith
12. Man in the Mirror
13. Get it (get stevie out there)
14. Dangerous
15. Dancing Machine
16. Walk Right Now
17. Billie Jean (ovedone but still it's gotta be there)
18. Come Together
19. Burn This Disco Out
20. Sunset Driver



That my friends would be ONE BAD ASS!! Arena rock/pop show!!
[Edited 3/23/09 4:08am]

Report: King of Pop To Adopt
Posted on Mar 23, 2009 @ 03:06 send it print it

Michael Jackson, enjoying a slight career resurgence with 50 sold-out dates in Britain this summer, has contacted an English agency in hopes of adopting a child.

"His life is his children," a source told the Daily Express. "Wherever he goes, they go, and he has said it would be good to have another child."

The singer is already father to three children: Prince Michael, 12, and Paris, 11, whom he fathered during his marriage to nurse Deborah Rowe; and 7-year-old Prince Michael II, who was born to an unknown woman.

The source, according to Daily Express, said that Jackson, 50, feels he has moved past the child molestation allegations that surfaced in 1993, and again ten years later.

"Michael feels that the British fans really understand him," the source told the Web site. "It is a new beginning.

http://www.radaronline.co...king-adopt

NaughtyKitty said:

i said he would do something stupid like that. he'll probably cock everything right up by getting into another major scandal before the first concert, and that'll end it all. there is just so much against him as it is. even if he was as fit as a fiddle and raring to go, it could just all come crashing down on him. if jade can be hated by the world for being a racist one minute, and hailed as the new messaih the next, the same can happen here. the british media is like a pack of wolves, and the british public so fickle and easily persuaded by the press. if MJ pisses the wrong person off it could be curtains for him

^Hmmm, I dunno about the validity of this story. Is the Daily Express a tabloid? I dont see how he'd find the time to raise another kid since he's going to be pretty busy from now until well into next year. He could always hire another nanny I suppose---But I see this story/rumor is making its way across the internet so....???



[Edited 3/23/09 11:42am]

Jennifer Batten would love to do the O2 shows with Michael:



Kinda strange interview though... the interviewer talks more than her!
[Edited 3/23/09 13:59pm]

NaughtyKitty said:

Well, he said publicly that he always wanted a big family and Hulk Hogan's daughter said publicly she'll give him two, his second ex-wife said she'll do it in a heartbeat, if he wants more, now who else is down? I'd say you get in line.

unique said:

Don't believe everything you read, are you persuaded that easily, the story is a pile of garbage , just like the story of mj fathering quadruplets , what a silly story..
[Edited 3/23/09 14:11pm]
[Edited 3/23/09 14:11pm]

That story's about adoption is a rumor.

NaughtyKitty said:

that is nothing but crap, notice they didn't name this "source close to jackson" because there is none. that is just a clever way for the media to spread rumors as fact. i can't believe anyone would take these articles as fact, i mean how many times has the media been right about mj in the past 4 years, all they do is lie.

unique said:

what makes you think this article is the truth. I get tired of stuff like this, how many times has the media gotten people riled up, with these crap articles that have no source. It's happened so many times in the last 4 years, and people just believe what they say about michael and then start to bash him, and when the stories never happen , Nothing, no apology. When are you people going to learn? why do you believe everything they say? and unique how can you say that kind of stuff about mj, he probly has nothing to do with this article and you're already blaming him. I tired of this. It's not fair, i seen why he almost never even tries to refute these articles. whats the point. the media always wins.

NaughtyKitty said:

IT'S CRAP!!! just like the flesh eating virus, him permanatly moving to the middle east, those fake pics of him dressed as a woman, marrying the nanny, becoming a muslim, changing his name to mikkeal , MUST I GO ON? do you see a pattern, If this was tru they would name the source, there is no source because it's crap.

NaughtyKitty said:

again crap, they couldn't even get the kids ages right, their 2 YEARS off on blanket

Timmy84 said:

Yep

Funny how this story barely got legs on mj forums

bboy87 said:

It shouldn't be getting attention anyways, lol.

Timmy84 said:

What should be gettin' attention is that Jermaine tryin' to get his child support lowered. He's just gonna spend it on hair grease!

bboy87 said:

LOL! Yeah I bet!

cdcgold said:

it doesn't matter if the article is the truth or not, if the public believe it and are persuaded by it, that's all that matters. people are still convinced that he is a serial child molestor, we have no proven evidence and he was found not guilty in court, but that doesn't mean he didn't do it. people look back on cases like OJ simpson who was also found not guilty, but again people still think he did it

the point is that it just takes another scandal to pop up to screw everything up, and it doesn't matter if the scandal is based on the truth or lies, all that matters is if the public is persuaded by it or not. that's the way things work in the uk

the daily express, the sun, the star, daily mail, etc, aren't exactly shining examples of quality journalism, but being some of the most widely read papers they have a great deal of influence over the public. being bombared with reading the same stories every day tends to have an effect on persuading people that what they read is true

as for the story being true or not, i don't know, but i don't think it's so unusual to not have some element of truth in it. MJ probably see's madonna and angelina adopting and thinking it's a good thing and it will look good to the public, unaware that the majority of the public would probably be horrified by the thought of someone with two major child abuse cases trying to adopt another child. the tickets might be sold, but a major backlash could cause the shows to be cancelled. there can always be those wildcard moments where something you never imagined came along and put a spanner in the works

unique said:

You know, he's already got three children he brings with him everywhere (one widely believed to be adopted), he's already been accused of paedophilia twice, and tickets still sold out in record time. Once again, you are getting way ahead of yourself, and trying to imagine outcomes for events that have never lead to those outcomes before.
[Edited 3/24/09 4:27am]

I'm waiting for the set list anxiously...

unique said:

Or maybe more to the point, editors at the various "news"papers know that this will get talked about and thus run the story. Unfortunately stories like these are no longer perceived by the general public as being ridiculous as MJ's public relations history has created a place where any story could be seen as potentially true - remember the woman who claimed to be carrying 5 of his babies?

Unfortunately Michael and his team have built a public persona where facts are no longer queried. Even stories like this, which to me seem highly unlikely, are still given credence.

And as Michael builds towards recapturing the attention of the general public with his shows, more and more column inches will be dedicated to him so expect more "bizarre" stories being attributed to his actions.

Strangely enough, the only way to combat these stories is to just do more "normal" activities. Less face mask wearing, and more just being Mike in public would be the first step to changing people's perceptions.

Swa

bboy87 said:

Is there meant to be an announcement?

Personally I hope not. I would rather not know what he is playing until the show itself.

Swa