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Reply #30 posted 03/20/09 6:46pm

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bboy87 said:

who else picked "Don't Walk Away"?


Good track, it would be interesting if he performed the song.....Im waiting 4 the new single lol
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Reply #31 posted 03/20/09 6:49pm

Timmy84

bboy87 said:

who else picked "Don't Walk Away"?


You're probably the only one, there was too many other songs for me. lol
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Reply #32 posted 03/20/09 6:49pm

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Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:

who else picked "Don't Walk Away"?


You're probably the only one, there was too many other songs for me. lol
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your setlist was interesting timmy lol
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Reply #33 posted 03/20/09 6:51pm

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seeingvoices12 said:

Timmy84 said:



You're probably the only one, there was too many other songs for me. lol
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your setlist was interesting timmy lol


I know. wink

lol

I put "Get on the Floor" and "Heaven Can Wait" on mine's, he may not do 'em tho. lol
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Reply #34 posted 03/20/09 6:51pm

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Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:

who else picked "Don't Walk Away"?


You're probably the only one, there was too many other songs for me. lol
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I wish they had added some Jacksons songs to the list


I want to see a "ballad/quiet storm" section:

The Lady In My Life
I Can't Help It
PYT (demo version)
Don't Walk Away
Butterflies
Heaven Can Wait
Liberian Girl
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Reply #35 posted 03/20/09 6:55pm

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Timmy84 said:

seeingvoices12 said:


your setlist was interesting timmy lol


I know. wink

lol

I put "Get on the Floor" and "Heaven Can Wait" on mine's, he may not do 'em tho. lol

but Man In The Mirror? you should've put Keep The Faith! lol
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Reply #36 posted 03/20/09 6:56pm

Timmy84

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:



I know. wink

lol

I put "Get on the Floor" and "Heaven Can Wait" on mine's, he may not do 'em tho. lol

but Man In The Mirror? you should've put Keep The Faith! lol


I thought about it... lol Next vote, "Keep the Faith". giggle
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Reply #37 posted 03/20/09 7:01pm

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unique said:

i think we should start one of them poll/betting things about which will be his last gig. the person who picks the last gig he plays before cancelling wins the prize

i'll start with the third show

the winner gets a copy of planet earth cd

Wow! And the baiting and flaming starts anew! sad

they have nothing better to do
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Reply #38 posted 03/20/09 7:05pm

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Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:


but Man In The Mirror? you should've put Keep The Faith! lol


I thought about it... lol Next vote, "Keep the Faith". giggle


songs from "forever, michael", you need to put some from that album if you want me to take your setlist seriously lol lol
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Reply #39 posted 03/20/09 7:10pm

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seeingvoices12 said:

Timmy84 said:



I thought about it... lol Next vote, "Keep the Faith". giggle


songs from "forever, michael", you need to put some from that album if you want me to take your setlist seriously lol lol


LOL! I wonder if Michael really knows what we all want. lol
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Reply #40 posted 03/20/09 7:15pm

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unique said:

Annika said:



Suffice to say, I find you're making a pretty big leap here:

1) Before his break, he had been performing almost non-stop since the age of 11. If he really didn't like it, wouldn't he have stopped before then? The man was clearly burnt out by 2000 and needed a proper rest and time to be a father to his kids. Now that he's done that, is it so inconceivable that he feels ready to enjoy performing again?

2) You act like he's tried to get out of innumerable court appearances due to illness. Off the top of my head, I can count two occassions - one during an emotionally and physically exhausting period in his life, where he was literally fighting for his life, and one more recently, where his appearance was clearly completely unnecessary, and which would have garnered him large amounts of bad publicity in a city where he was (as we now see) planning to make a comeback. Should he have done it? No. Does him reacting this way equal him cancelling concerts he's legally and ethically obliged to perform? I hope not.

3) The wheelchair thing: He's actually been doing this since the 80's, and it didn't seem to impact his performance back then. In case you hadn't noticed, Michael Jackson is just kind of weird sometimes. wink


you obviously don't know much about his touring history as he has only done 3 solo tours, the last of which was in 1997. whilst his first tour with the jacksons was in 1971 and they did 10 tours, prince has done far more tours and shows in a shorter period of time and still shows no end to touring. george michael hates touring, which is why it took him so long to get round to his last tour(s), but he at least did a fair number of live performances at one off gigs. MJ hasn't done a proper live performance at all in 12 years. if he enjoyed playing live he could have at least done the odd one off show. even when prince isn't on tour he still does one off shows for example. don't you find it off that someone who considers themself the king of pop has not done even a one off small show in 12 years?

and i'm not suggesting he tried to get out of court appearances due to illness. far from it. my personal view is that he was faking it, or at least hamming it up. in other words he wasn't too ill to attend court, he was just making excuses, and i think if he would do such a thing at such an important court appearance, then it's possible he will do it again. the alternate view some may think is that he was ill, and thus if he was too ill then, he could be too ill to do these shows. i personally think the wheelchair stunt is him faking it or hamming it up. or maybe he had a hip replacement like prince and can't dance anymore



not if this person has a 12 year old son and two other children he obviously considers more important than performing
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Reply #41 posted 03/20/09 7:21pm

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Timmy84 said:

seeingvoices12 said:



songs from "forever, michael", you need to put some from that album if you want me to take your setlist seriously lol lol


LOL! I wonder if Michael really knows what we all want. lol


lol...yeah.

I want him to perform songs he never performed before.... lol , I have had enough from the others.. lol
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Reply #42 posted 03/20/09 7:22pm

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unique said:

you obviously don't know much about his touring history as he has only done 3 solo tours, the last of which was in 1997. whilst his first tour with the jacksons was in 1971 and they did 10 tours, prince has done far more tours and shows in a shorter period of time and still shows no end to touring. george michael hates touring, which is why it took him so long to get round to his last tour(s), but he at least did a fair number of live performances at one off gigs. MJ hasn't done a proper live performance at all in 12 years. if he enjoyed playing live he could have at least done the odd one off show. even when prince isn't on tour he still does one off shows for example. don't you find it off that someone who considers themself the king of pop has not done even a one off small show in 12 years?

He did plenty of shows from 1970 until 1997... that's 27 years... who cares how many tours he did... it's not a competition! And he did those 2 MJ & Friends and 2 30th Anniversary shows! So it isn't like he didn't do anything!

and i'm not suggesting he tried to get out of court appearances due to illness. far from it. my personal view is that he was faking it, or at least hamming it up. in other words he wasn't too ill to attend court, he was just making excuses, and i think if he would do such a thing at such an important court appearance, then it's possible he will do it again. the alternate view some may think is that he was ill, and thus if he was too ill then, he could be too ill to do these shows. i personally think the wheelchair stunt is him faking it or hamming it up. or maybe he had a hip replacement like prince and can't dance anymore

Jeez, he's lined up 50 shows so obviously he will be able to dance!!! rolleyes

Again, sitting in a courtroom listening to bs (most of the time) or doing concerts are totally different things! So what, if he faked illness to not have to sit in a courtroom... who can blame him? That has nothing to do with his comittement to do those 50 concerts!

And MJ is not Prince! Prince has a different kind of show, which makes it much easier to do the odd one-off shows... besides, Prince has no life besides music.. Michael does!



thank you! now if mj had done some world tours these last 12 years these same people would be calling him a bad father for dragging his kids around the world
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Reply #43 posted 03/20/09 7:41pm

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this is pretty funny
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Reply #44 posted 03/20/09 8:46pm

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bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:



You're probably the only one, there was too many other songs for me. lol
[Edited 3/20/09 18:49pm]

I wish they had added some Jacksons songs to the list


I want to see a "ballad/quiet storm" section:

The Lady In My Life
I Can't Help It
PYT (demo version)
Don't Walk Away
Butterflies
Heaven Can Wait
Liberian Girl


Yes! That would be awesomeness!
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Reply #45 posted 03/20/09 8:53pm

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bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:



You're probably the only one, there was too many other songs for me. lol
[Edited 3/20/09 18:49pm]

I wish they had added some Jacksons songs to the list


I want to see a "ballad/quiet storm" section:

The Lady In My Life
I Can't Help It
PYT (demo version)
Don't Walk Away
Butterflies
Heaven Can Wait
Liberian Girl


Interesting, lol. I like it tho.
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Reply #46 posted 03/20/09 9:56pm

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they've updated the list with the BOTDF and Ultimate Collection songs
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Reply #47 posted 03/20/09 10:06pm

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bboy87 said:

they've updated the list with the BOTDF and Ultimate Collection songs


hmmm
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Reply #48 posted 03/20/09 10:13pm

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My second vote is

1. Unbreakable
2. Blood on the Dance Floor
3. Bad
4. Heaven Can Wait
5. Remember the Time
6. Rock with You
7. Off the Wall
8. Get on the Floor
9. Don't Stop 'til You Get Enough
10. You Rock My World
11. The Way You Make Me Feel
12. Who Is It
13. Cheater
14. The Lady in My Life
15. P.Y.T. (Pretty Young Thing)
16. Butterflies
17. Someone Put Your Hand Out
18. I Can't Help It
19. Fall Again
20. Monkey Business
21. Black or White
22. Liberian Girl
23. Whatever Happens
24. Don't Walk Away
25. Earth Song
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Reply #49 posted 03/20/09 11:41pm

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Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:


I wish they had added some Jacksons songs to the list


I want to see a "ballad/quiet storm" section:

The Lady In My Life
I Can't Help It
PYT (demo version)
Don't Walk Away
Butterflies
Heaven Can Wait
Liberian Girl


Interesting, lol. I like it tho.


Has he ever done Liberian Girl live? I think it's too difficult with the incredible harmonies on it.
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Reply #50 posted 03/21/09 12:02am

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bboy87 said:

who else picked "Don't Walk Away"?


i did
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Reply #51 posted 03/21/09 12:50am

Timmy84

mynameisnotsusan said:

Timmy84 said:



Interesting, lol. I like it tho.


Has he ever done Liberian Girl live? I think it's too difficult with the incredible harmonies on it.


No he hasn't.
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Reply #52 posted 03/21/09 1:05am

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Timmy84 said:

mynameisnotsusan said:



Has he ever done Liberian Girl live? I think it's too difficult with the incredible harmonies on it.


No he hasn't.

There was apparenty a one off performance of it on the Bad tour. He dedicated it to Elizabeth Taylor as I think she was in hospital at the time.
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Reply #53 posted 03/21/09 1:11am

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unique said:

mj and friends wasn't a proper show,

Tickets were sold, he performed a couple of songs in front of 50.000 and 70.000 people, it was a one-off show! If it's up to your standards, who cares?


No... he's a singer and a dancer, who has big shows that doesn't just rely on some people playing music!

Seriously... you're only trolling and baiting, I will stop responding to you now, as you clearly made up your mind, which is, MJ won't do these shows and hates performing, without even considering anything else... I do not even know why you waste your time in this thread, when you think like that!

And another troller, baiter and flamer! And it's the MJ Fans that don't behave... yeah right! rolleyes

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Mj only tours when he needs money he is a lazy twat and what life does ole bum boy has besides playing with little boys..

Sure, he only went on the Destiny, Triumph, Victory, Bad, Dangerous and HIStory tours because he needed money! rolleyes Oh, and all the work you do is for free!


well i don't consider an appearance to do two songs during a concert featuring other artists a proper concert, but as i said before it was in 1999 so still 10 years ago, and making it 12 years since he played anything like a full show

i don't know about you, but there are things i can't do now that i could do 12 years ago, and i guess that the older you get, the more that happens, and when you get towards 50 you certainly won't be able to do a lot of physical things. maybe madonna can, but she's a freak of... wait, not nature, there is nothing natural about her body these days, i suppose you could say the same about MJ, but instead of looking physically stronger like madonna, he looks physically weaker. in saying that, he's a bit of a one trick pony when it comes to his dancing, so it's probably not that hard for him after all. with a team of backing dancers to cover for him he could probably pull it off. but i'm not sure what the obsession is to going to a gig to see someone dance, the idea of a pop/rock concert is to hear bands and artists play live music

personally i'd rather he stood still on stage or walked about like most artists so he isn't out of breathe and can sing the songs instead of shout them. by that i mean if you listen to artists live shows during energetic and dance sections, instead of singing they tend to shout the lyrics instead, so the musical performance is compromised. this is why they tend to rely on lipsynching for those sections, but who would prefer to see someone dance to a lipsynched track, than stand still and sing the song live? i certainly would prefer all the music and singing to be live. choreographed dancing during shows just seems fake and unnatural. i don't want to keep on using prince as a comparison, but this is a prince site, and even joe public would compare prince and mj at times, but i was watching back over his tour videos and noticed that the more rehearsed and choreographed the show, the worse it was, with lovesexy being the worst offender, although in saying that there are plenty of other impromtu moments to balance it out. one other thing i noticed, which i thought was unusual was that during very energetic dancing and movement, he never sounds out of breath or changes his voice when he returns to the mic. it's like he has abnormally high cardio and breathe control. if you listen back to any live prince stuff, his voice sounds consistently good whether he is dancing or standing still, and he most definately doesn't use memorex

and let me just get one thing perfectly clear, i'm not trolling or baiting or anything like that. that serves no purpose to me. as you can see i have clear well written, well thought out and knowledable posts in which i share both facts and my opinion on a website forum i have frequented regularly for years. if i was to say the same things about prince it wouldn't be considerd baiting and trolling would it? when prince does something that fans don't agree with and voice concerns online, it's never considered trolling and baiting is it? so why, on a prince site of all places, and most definately not a michael jackson one, is it considerd trolling and baiting if someone takes the time to express facts and points of view that other prince fans registered on a prince fan site don't agree with? is everyone blinkered in a way that everything prince does is wrong, so it's perfectly fine to post shit about him, but every other artist is untouchable and you can't speak your mind on them? like a complete opposite of any other fan site where fans would never say a negative thing about the artist the site is devoted to, but it's fair game to slag off the competition

now let me get this clear, as i'm not referring to anyone here, as this is a prince site and all registered members are all prince fans and not michael jackson fans as far as i'm concerned, michael jackson fans would obviously spend time on MJ sites in the same way as the obsessed prince fans spend time here, but what is it that makes MJ fans so fucking madley obsessed with him to the point of being in complete denial about anything non positive about his past? to some degree i can understand fans standing up for the artists they love, and you have certain artists that have crazy obsessed fans, but MJ takes it to another level, which considering his extremely dubious personal life just makes the whole situation seem even more bizzarre

even on the org when prince fans who also like/liked MJ chat about him, it seems to some that he can do no wrong and attempt to stand up for him. if prince did any of the things that MJ was allegedly to have done, very few fans would blindly stand up and support him, especially if there was evidence facing them that he did what he was alleged to have done. the minute prince does something that fans don't like, we seem to get together to condem his actions, but MJ fans seem to get together to support him. it's almost like a religous cult that can't see no wrong in thier beiefs

i've raised concerns and given researched explanations as to his attendance at these shows for example, but MJ fans on a prince website can't seem to discuss and debate in an unbiased manner and accept the facts put towards them. considering those aren't the real hardcore fans that would frequent the MJ sites and wouldn't dream of visiting another artists site, that's pretty alarming. i really can't imagine what the real hardcore fans must have going on in thier heads. i mean we have some real fruit loops in princeland and on this site, but even the weirdest ones i can think of just don't compare with MJ fans when it comes to blind fanatisism
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Good news for all Michael Jackson fans: although “This Is It” will be the King of Pop’s final “curtain call” as he himself announced, it may expand to more locations than just London’s O2 Arena, sources are saying. The 50 dates in London might be just a fraction of a three-year “master plan” that Michael has devised, with the US coming next, Kenny Ortega of the VegasDeluxe says.

When the singer announced the initial 10 dates of the “This Is It” tour, which kicks off this summer, speculation had it that he was only going to perform in the UK because his fanbase in Europe was much stronger than that in the US.

This is not to say that there are no MJ fans back in his home country, though, but just that he has more chances of success if he makes his comeback elsewhere. Now, Ortega shares, all signs are pointing to London being just a “warm up,” with the US coming up next, perhaps in the summer of2010.

“It’s highly possible that Michael Jackson’s new 50-concert run in London is part of a three-year master plan that could net the King of Pop a staggering $500 million! […] There’s a solid rumor that when Michael’s first England run ends in September and resumes again there in January that he may well do a series of US concerts. Although AEG wants him to appear in Las Vegas, it’s more likely it will be in New York or L.A. where there are arenas with 15,000 to 20,000 seats. ‘The London ticket sales were really a testing of the waters,’ one source told me. ‘There’s no question that Michael and AEG are discussing a world tour now’.” Ortega writes.

Even if this turns out to be just wishful-thinking, Michael Jackson fans (those who have been quick enough to get their hands on a ticket, that is) will still have a blast at the UK series of performances. Reports in the industry claim that the singer is going the extra mile – and then some – to make sure that his shows top anything else the music industry has ever seen. This also includes illusions in the manner of reputed magician Criss Angel, which would have Michael float above the stage and then land on a specific spot, the aforementioned source reveals.

Other surprises would include, according to reports, many look-alikes that would dance and provide the wow factor, while also acting as diversions in case Michael grows tired. “A small army of Michael Jackson look-alike dancers might be recruited as a backup troupe to handle the more challenging routines so the 50-year-old singer won’t be strained during the nightly 100-minute production, his first since 1997.” Ortega adds. For more on what insiders have to say of Michael’s much-mediated comeback, including of his upcoming album, go here.


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Reply #55 posted 03/21/09 1:50am

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this is the o2 from block 421 on level 4

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Reply #56 posted 03/21/09 1:58am

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The one song I would love love love to hear him sing as an adult is 'We've Got Blue Skies'. Or 'Can I See You In The Morning'. Any of those sort of unknown great Jackson 5 songs from the first couple of albums. Of course I doubt he would ever do that, but that would be like a dream. And it would be great if he would sing some of the bigger hits acapella or slow ballad style versions. I find them a bit boring to listen to now.
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Reply #57 posted 03/21/09 2:00am

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this is the o2 from block 421 on level 4


Wow thats an awful view. Half the stage is blocked
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Reply #58 posted 03/21/09 2:01am

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i think we should start one of them poll/betting things about which will be his last gig. the person who picks the last gig he plays before cancelling wins the prize

i'll start with the third show

the winner gets a copy of planet earth cd

Wow! And the baiting and flaming starts anew! sad


It is ok though...he is friends with Luv4u thumbs up!
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Reply #59 posted 03/21/09 2:06am

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unique said:

Annika said:



Suffice to say, I find you're making a pretty big leap here:

1) Before his break, he had been performing almost non-stop since the age of 11. If he really didn't like it, wouldn't he have stopped before then? The man was clearly burnt out by 2000 and needed a proper rest and time to be a father to his kids. Now that he's done that, is it so inconceivable that he feels ready to enjoy performing again?

2) You act like he's tried to get out of innumerable court appearances due to illness. Off the top of my head, I can count two occassions - one during an emotionally and physically exhausting period in his life, where he was literally fighting for his life, and one more recently, where his appearance was clearly completely unnecessary, and which would have garnered him large amounts of bad publicity in a city where he was (as we now see) planning to make a comeback. Should he have done it? No. Does him reacting this way equal him cancelling concerts he's legally and ethically obliged to perform? I hope not.

3) The wheelchair thing: He's actually been doing this since the 80's, and it didn't seem to impact his performance back then. In case you hadn't noticed, Michael Jackson is just kind of weird sometimes. wink


you obviously don't know much about his touring history as he has only done 3 solo tours, the last of which was in 1997. whilst his first tour with the jacksons was in 1971 and they did 10 tours, prince has done far more tours and shows in a shorter period of time and still shows no end to touring. george michael hates touring, which is why it took him so long to get round to his last tour(s), but he at least did a fair number of live performances at one off gigs. MJ hasn't done a proper live performance at all in 12 years. if he enjoyed playing live he could have at least done the odd one off show. even when prince isn't on tour he still does one off shows for example. don't you find it off that someone who considers themself the king of pop has not done even a one off small show in 12 years?

and i'm not suggesting he tried to get out of court appearances due to illness. far from it. my personal view is that he was faking it, or at least hamming it up. in other words he wasn't too ill to attend court, he was just making excuses, and i think if he would do such a thing at such an important court appearance, then it's possible he will do it again. the alternate view some may think is that he was ill, and thus if he was too ill then, he could be too ill to do these shows. i personally think the wheelchair stunt is him faking it or hamming it up. or maybe he had a hip replacement like prince and can't dance anymore


Now you're just grasping at straws. Who cares if other people have done more than him? How does that even factor into the consideration? Michael is Michael, not Prince or George Michael or Madonna or anyone else. lol

As for the second part, reread my reply. I already answered your point (and nowhere did I say he was faking it).

It seems like the bottom line is that you really, really want to see him cancel because he's a diva. You have no legitimate historical reason to think he will (he never has before, and he has never been described as anything but totally professional by anyone he has worked with), so you're trying to draw links to completely unrelated behaviour to make yourself feel better. Is that a fair summary?
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