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Thread started 12/07/19 4:36pm

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What Happened To His Fanbase?

1999 Deluxe is the third release from the estate. I can understand that some weren't thrilled with the first two but this one of his biggest albums and had four discs worth of unreleased material...and it couln't sell 15k in the first week?

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Reply #1 posted 12/07/19 4:40pm

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A lot of people are probably content with just streaming the album, or maybe some can't afford the whole set at the moment?

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Reply #2 posted 12/07/19 4:45pm

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mbdtyler said:

A lot of people are probably content with just streaming the album, or maybe some can't afford the whole set at the moment?

Yeah streaming is king but the set had a DVD too and nice packaging...this set is UNBELIEVABLY great. And the price is a steal. How many of you downloaded this for free? 'Fess up!

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Reply #3 posted 12/07/19 4:51pm

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Availability is one issue. I’m in Australia, pre-ordered both the vinyl and Cd sets yet still have no idea when they will arrive.
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Reply #4 posted 12/07/19 5:33pm

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I am in Baltimore and the SDE is not available anywhere. They have lost a ton of sales in Maryland.
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Reply #5 posted 12/07/19 5:35pm

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As usual a Prince fan struggles to deal with the fact Prince is not an epic seller and nobody buys physical but the truly diehard. You should be so lucky to get a huge physical package. Relax! As seen by the set's elusiveness in brick and mortar stores, the estate predicted tiny sales.
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Reply #6 posted 12/07/19 6:29pm

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AND, looking at this from a practical angle, it is time to pay your year-end taxes, & get your loved ones a gift. I am going to order it, as I am a vinyl freak but this month I just can't yet. But as soon as I recoop a little, I am. I want it soooo bad..... touched

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Reply #7 posted 12/07/19 6:32pm

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LoveGalore said:

As usual a Prince fan struggles to deal with the fact Prince is not an epic seller and nobody buys physical but the truly diehard. You should be so lucky to get a huge physical package. Relax! As seen by the set's elusiveness in brick and mortar stores, the estate predicted tiny sales.

Dude I've been following Pince's career for nearly 40 years. I've witnessed his peaks and valleys saleswise. Never mattered much to me but I'm just conderned about the estate's incentive to keep the same pace of releases. Of course witht he market shirnking they should be full speed ahead anyway regardless.

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Reply #8 posted 12/07/19 6:41pm

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homesquid said:

LoveGalore said:

As usual a Prince fan struggles to deal with the fact Prince is not an epic seller and nobody buys physical but the truly diehard. You should be so lucky to get a huge physical package. Relax! As seen by the set's elusiveness in brick and mortar stores, the estate predicted tiny sales.

Dude I've been following Pince's career for nearly 40 years. I've witnessed his peaks and valleys saleswise. Never mattered much to me but I'm just conderned about the estate's incentive to keep the same pace of releases. Of course witht he market shirnking they should be full speed ahead anyway regardless.

Perspective is important - this is only week 1. They are going to continue with the releases as these releases are historic. And they really sell themselves - 1999 has had nearly 40 years of promo done.

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Reply #10 posted 12/07/19 11:48pm

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I was gifted the Super Deluxe set and it just arrived and was ordered from the Prince website. First of all, they need to get this stuff out a hell of a lot faster than it is coming out. We were notified it shipped the 28th and it took too long to get here. I'd have expected an order right from the site to be here within 2 or 3 days at the most. Secondly, both the estate as well as the myriad of other people out there selling Prince materials need to be a lot smarter in their timing. Releasing such a massive set of music, along with several books by other artists in the month prior to/running into the Christmas season is just plain stupid. People are shopping for gifts and the timing is just terrible to be releasing this stuff. Unless one is well off, it's tough to come up with several hundred dollars extra to make personal purchases now.

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Reply #11 posted 12/08/19 1:15am

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homesquid said:



mbdtyler said:


A lot of people are probably content with just streaming the album, or maybe some can't afford the whole set at the moment?




Yeah streaming is king but the set had a DVD too and nice packaging...this set is UNBELIEVABLY great. And the price is a steal. How many of you downloaded this for free? 'Fess up!



I did.
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Reply #12 posted 12/08/19 1:17am

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They did a fine job, but there's some hangover by the last two releases, combined with a lack of new material for hardcore fans. Let's face it, 1999 wasn't screaming out for a remaster the way Purple Rain was (especially for people who bought it on CD), and the idea of owning 7" edits isn't as interesting as the 12" versions. Then there's just the limitation of inerest in 1999 and how saturated those classics are at this point. I think ATWID and Parade are going to lend themselves more to remastering. Maybe SOTT. I'd rather they did 1999 over something like Controversy, but still. 15,000 copies is low, but we live in an age where big artists with huge marketing budgets are selling 100,000 units tops.

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Reply #13 posted 12/08/19 1:32am

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Some people might be waiting for Cristmas to receive it as a gift. I got my copy last week.

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Reply #14 posted 12/08/19 2:08am

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lavendardrummachine said:

They did a fine job, but there's some hangover by the last two releases, combined with a lack of new material for hardcore fans. Let's face it, 1999 wasn't screaming out for a remaster the way Purple Rain was (especially for people who bought it on CD), and the idea of owning 7" edits isn't as interesting as the 12" versions. Then there's just the limitation of inerest in 1999 and how saturated those classics are at this point. I think ATWID and Parade are going to lend themselves more to remastering. Maybe SOTT. I'd rather they did 1999 over something like Controversy, but still. 15,000 copies is low, but we live in an age where big artists with huge marketing budgets are selling 100,000 units tops.



None of my 1999 copies sounded as good as my Japanese rerelease of PR. So, I disagree that it wasn't screaming for a remaster. And since the remaster has breathed brand new life into a brilliant and tight album, I think they hit the nail on the head.
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Reply #15 posted 12/08/19 4:56am

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I ordered the 1999 set but since it didnt arrive on release date i went ahead and downloaded it. I'm considering returning it as there isnt a whole lot on there i dont already have.

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Reply #16 posted 12/08/19 5:13am

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1) The price is way too high for what it is :
A)66 euros for the 5cd+dvd edition, when the PR deluxe had 3CD+1 dvd for 25 euros, and it had hard time to sell already.
35 euros would have been an honest price.

B) 190 euros for the 10 Vinyl version, common, that makes 19 euros per vinyl ! 90 euros would have been honest.

Some material is clearly useless on vinyl in term of sound quality : the edit versions, the live...

C) 64 euros for just the vinyl album + the edit versions ! That s pure thievery.

2) I know some fans who won't buy it because they already listened to this on YouTube on the official channel.

3) As I said before, 1999 is a minor album outside the USA. No wonder this week it is only at #58 in the UK.


Personally, my girlfriend bought it for me for Christmas yesterday, so it's sale will count for the second week.
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Reply #17 posted 12/08/19 5:51am

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RODSERLING said:

1) The price is way too high for what it is :
A)66 euros for the 5cd+dvd edition, when the PR deluxe had 3CD+1 dvd for 25 euros, and it had hard time to sell already.
35 euros would have been an honest price.

B) 190 euros for the 10 Vinyl version, common, that makes 19 euros per vinyl ! 90 euros would have been honest.

Some material is clearly useless on vinyl in term of sound quality : the edit versions, the live...

C) 64 euros for just the vinyl album + the edit versions ! That s pure thievery.

2) I know some fans who won't buy it because they already listened to this on YouTube on the official channel.

3) As I said before, 1999 is a minor album outside the USA. No wonder this week it is only at #58 in the UK.


Personally, my girlfriend bought it for me for Christmas yesterday, so it's sale will count for the second week.



€66 where you are? It's €80 here in Ireland. Which is twice what I'd be willing to pay for it. Especially seeing as I'm only interested in the two Vault discs. So yeah, as much as I'd love to support a release such as this, they've priced it far too high for me to consider.
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Reply #18 posted 12/08/19 6:36am

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mbdtyler said:


A lot of people are probably content with just streaming the album, or maybe some can't afford the whole set at the moment?




Yeah streaming is king but the set had a DVD too and nice packaging...this set is UNBELIEVABLY great. And the price is a steal. How many of you downloaded this for free? 'Fess up!


To me the 1999 tour is his worst. I didn’t need the dvd. The live cd is better, besides I think his fan base was content in the moment like him. I did need some of these tracks I actually got a few surprises like Bold Generation, but I’m not a huge outtake quality person. I grew up when they were all shitty tapes.
When the 95-up outtakes come people will be more thrilled I think. Or any tour except 1999. I woulda rather them through in a controversy tour dvd
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Reply #19 posted 12/08/19 6:37am

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I’m sure it will end up selling fine. How does it compare to other box sets?
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Reply #20 posted 12/08/19 6:38am

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They can keep the 7” edits also.
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Reply #21 posted 12/08/19 6:48am

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EmmaMcG said:

RODSERLING said:

1) The price is way too high for what it is :
A)66 euros for the 5cd+dvd edition, when the PR deluxe had 3CD+1 dvd for 25 euros, and it had hard time to sell already.
35 euros would have been an honest price.

B) 190 euros for the 10 Vinyl version, common, that makes 19 euros per vinyl ! 90 euros would have been honest.

Some material is clearly useless on vinyl in term of sound quality : the edit versions, the live...

C) 64 euros for just the vinyl album + the edit versions ! That s pure thievery.

2) I know some fans who won't buy it because they already listened to this on YouTube on the official channel.

3) As I said before, 1999 is a minor album outside the USA. No wonder this week it is only at #58 in the UK.


Personally, my girlfriend bought it for me for Christmas yesterday, so it's sale will count for the second week.



€66 where you are? It's €80 here in Ireland. Which is twice what I'd be willing to pay for it. Especially seeing as I'm only interested in the two Vault discs. So yeah, as much as I'd love to support a release such as this, they've priced it far too high for me to consider.

I confirm that the lowest price seen in Paris is 65€!
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Reply #22 posted 12/08/19 6:53am

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EmmaMcG said:

RODSERLING said:
1) The price is way too high for what it is : A)66 euros for the 5cd+dvd edition, when the PR deluxe had 3CD+1 dvd for 25 euros, and it had hard time to sell already. 35 euros would have been an honest price. B) 190 euros for the 10 Vinyl version, common, that makes 19 euros per vinyl ! 90 euros would have been honest. Some material is clearly useless on vinyl in term of sound quality : the edit versions, the live... C) 64 euros for just the vinyl album + the edit versions ! That s pure thievery. 2) I know some fans who won't buy it because they already listened to this on YouTube on the official channel. 3) As I said before, 1999 is a minor album outside the USA. No wonder this week it is only at #58 in the UK. Personally, my girlfriend bought it for me for Christmas yesterday, so it's sale will count for the second week.
€66 where you are? It's €80 here in Ireland. Which is twice what I'd be willing to pay for it. Especially seeing as I'm only interested in the two Vault discs. So yeah, as much as I'd love to support a release such as this, they've priced it far too high for me to consider.

YMMV but this set is a deal compared to similar sets. The Freddie Mercury "Never Boring" set is three CDs, a DVD and Blu Ray (same content) with ZERO UNRELEASED MATERIAL. Just some remixing. For $100

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Reply #23 posted 12/08/19 7:26am

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no worries... this album IS available everywhere. You have access to the Internet, you can buy it. Die hards will buy the physical album and casual fans will stream it. No worries, the Estate is getting PAID more than before Prince owned his masters. Relax, enjoy and get ready for the next super deluxe release... I am hoping for Parade or SOTT.

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Reply #24 posted 12/08/19 7:35am

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I think the price is reasonable in the US (ranging from $55 to $70). What was frustrating for me was that I preordered it from Amazon in September as soon as it was announced from Amazon. Then the delivery day was pushed back to Dec 4. I was hoping to have it on Thanksgiving weekend to listen to it because otherwise I would have to wait at least another week to go through it all. When Amazon said it would be delayed, I went out on Black Friday, against my better judgement. Walmart, Target, Barnes & Noble & Best Buy didn't have it. In the end I did down load it. But I also bought 2 copies of the super deluxe (one to keep sealed), 1 copy of the deluxe (2cd), and 1 copy of the remaster (1cd). I really want the Estate to do well because I want future releases like this but I think they could do better!!!!

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Reply #25 posted 12/08/19 8:03am

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I haven’t bought it yet as I’ve been too busy catching up on picking up other Estate releases from earlier in the year, and I don’t have an income that would enable me to have a money-no-object attitude to nabbing new Prince releases, unfortunately.

I almost certainly *will* get it in a few months’ time, though - probably the 2-LP or 4-LP. And I gather the 10-LP is already becoming hard to find anyway, lol.
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Reply #26 posted 12/08/19 8:09am

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homesquid said:



EmmaMcG said:


RODSERLING said:
1) The price is way too high for what it is : A)66 euros for the 5cd+dvd edition, when the PR deluxe had 3CD+1 dvd for 25 euros, and it had hard time to sell already. 35 euros would have been an honest price. B) 190 euros for the 10 Vinyl version, common, that makes 19 euros per vinyl ! 90 euros would have been honest. Some material is clearly useless on vinyl in term of sound quality : the edit versions, the live... C) 64 euros for just the vinyl album + the edit versions ! That s pure thievery. 2) I know some fans who won't buy it because they already listened to this on YouTube on the official channel. 3) As I said before, 1999 is a minor album outside the USA. No wonder this week it is only at #58 in the UK. Personally, my girlfriend bought it for me for Christmas yesterday, so it's sale will count for the second week.

€66 where you are? It's €80 here in Ireland. Which is twice what I'd be willing to pay for it. Especially seeing as I'm only interested in the two Vault discs. So yeah, as much as I'd love to support a release such as this, they've priced it far too high for me to consider.


YMMV but this set is a deal compared to similar sets. The Freddie Mercury "Never Boring" set is three CDs, a DVD and Blu Ray (same content) with ZERO UNRELEASED MATERIAL. Just some remixing. For $100

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I see what you're saying but just because it's not as much of a rip off as other box sets doesn't mean it's not a rip off. A lower, more reasonable price point may have enticed "casual fans" to give it a go which would lead to more sales, more potential interest in future releases. But by pricing it so high they're clearly only targeting die hard fans, of which there are fewer and fewer as the years go by, and even die hard fans are reluctant to spend that kind of money. It's a short-sighted business plan that I hope doesn't come back to haunt them by further diminishing his audience.
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EmmaMcG said:

homesquid said:

YMMV but this set is a deal compared to similar sets. The Freddie Mercury "Never Boring" set is three CDs, a DVD and Blu Ray (same content) with ZERO UNRELEASED MATERIAL. Just some remixing. For $100

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I see what you're saying but just because it's not as much of a rip off as other box sets doesn't mean it's not a rip off. A lower, more reasonable price point may have enticed "casual fans" to give it a go which would lead to more sales, more potential interest in future releases. But by pricing it so high they're clearly only targeting die hard fans, of which there are fewer and fewer as the years go by, and even die hard fans are reluctant to spend that kind of money. It's a short-sighted business plan that I hope doesn't come back to haunt them by further diminishing his audience.

Ok but let's be real here. IF not for being able to get digital files for FREE illegally or cherry picking digital files legally almost any of us would buy this set for north of 100 bucks if it were a bootleg. Just imagine you had visited your local record store and found this set in the racks....I miss the old days on this front. I paid $30 for The Black Album on vinyl in 1988. I would've paid twice that.

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Reply #28 posted 12/08/19 9:09am

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Maybe the price is higher for the 1999 deluxe versus the deluxe of PR because all of the songs had to be remastered whereas Prince had already remastered the songs for the PR album itself? Remastering music costs money and this came directly from the Estates pocket this time. Plus we received more music with the 1999 deluxe.

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Reply #29 posted 12/08/19 9:19am

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Best to release these masterpieces in the future around his birthday or the anniversary celebrations. So easy to get lost in holiday busyness. Especially with minimal promotion and publicity. Cmon estate and WB, get it right. Prince future fan base is worth it. 💜

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