JorisE73 said:

ForceofNature said:

If that is true, man I really find some fans to be quite crazy. Like, boycotting this release over 2 songs we can already hear on bootlegs anyways, for not being included? This release was done "right", no matter what a very vocal and very very little minority think

Uhm, it's a lot more than just 2 songs.

I don't understand how any fan could "boycott" this release because of what's not included.We should all be happy with what is included on this incredible set.

SoulAlive said:

JorisE73 said:

Uhm, it's a lot more than just 2 songs.

I don't understand how any fan could "boycott" this release because of what's not included.We should all be happy with what is included on this incredible set.

Just in case, Im not about boycotting. Im just realizing how many other questionable songs are on it. Id never boycott Prince remasters etc. Im just seeing how a lot of these other songs can get some controversy going. BTW, Im yearning for the Lust U Alwys 'instrumental", I odnt care about the vocal version.

PennyPurple said:

Seahorsie said:

AND, looking at this from a practical angle, it is time to pay your year-end taxes, & get your loved ones a gift. I am going to order it, as I am a vinyl freak but this month I just can't yet. But as soon as I recoop a little, I am. I want it soooo bad.....

Maybe you'd get it as a Christmas present!

You never know. Right now shot my own budget by getting braces for my grandson's teeth. Well it was what he wanted, so. At least it will be a gift that keeps on giving, ha!

SoulAlive said:

JorisE73 said:

Uhm, it's a lot more than just 2 songs.

I don't understand how any fan could "boycott" this release because of what's not included.We should all be happy with what is included on this incredible set.

maybe in with time they will get it...dont mess with his stuff

ForceofNature said:

JorisE73 said:

Uhm, it's a lot more than just 2 songs.

Lust U Always + Extraloveable = 2 songs, no?

I'm my initial post on this I said that fans are boycotting this release becuase (1) they ommited too many essential tracks (that's a lot more than just these two tracks.) AND (2) because of the comments of Michael Howe on why they didn't release these two tracks.
Sorry if I didn't clearly worded it the first time. But fans are not boycotting this release only for those two tracks.

JorisE73 said:

ForceofNature said:

JorisE73 said: Lust U Always + Extraloveable = 2 songs, no?

I'm my initial post on this I said that fans are boycotting this release becuase (1) they ommited too many essential tracks (that's a lot more than just these two tracks.) AND (2) because of the comments of Michael Howe on why they didn't release these two tracks.
Sorry if I didn't clearly worded it the first time. But fans are not boycotting this release only for those two tracks.

What other songs were ommitted?

lurker316 said:

JorisE73 said:

I'm my initial post on this I said that fans are boycotting this release becuase (1) they ommited too many essential tracks (that's a lot more than just these two tracks.) AND (2) because of the comments of Michael Howe on why they didn't release these two tracks.
Sorry if I didn't clearly worded it the first time. But fans are not boycotting this release only for those two tracks.

What other songs were ommitted?

This is a list of samples from neversin that he send to some people who were going to the listening parties to compare, this was a month or so before the release and some more tracks that were later sent to others:

Little Red Corvette - non fade out version of the album version

1999 - longer alternate version of album version

All The Critics Love U in New York - alternate version

D.M.S.R. - Alternate edit, shorter than the album version

How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore? - non fade out version of the B-side

Strange Relationship

Wonderful Ass

Raspberry Beret - Piano demo (I don;t know if this is the version that The Estate couldn't find or if it's another version)

(Turn it Up)

(Feel U Up/Irresistible Bitch)
U Should be mine

(Money Don’t Grow On Trees)

Drive Me Wild
Girl O my Dreams
777-9311

(Vagina)

Jerk Out

(Rearrange)

(Bold Generation)

Blue

(Colleen)

Fox trap
Boom Boom

(You're all I want)

Moral Majority
Extra Loveable

(Yah U know' '82)
New Position

(Teacher Teacher)

Lust U Always

And he said that more 1982-1983 samples were coming to the traders and the Vanity 6 and The Time 'outtakes' and Prince's versions, but when the official tracklist was released he disappeared.
Some traders were sent some more samples a couple of days befoe the official release but I don;t know what those were, my guess is the Vanity 6 and Teh Time tracks with Prince's vocals and maybe some more 1982-1983 outtakes.

WhisperingDandelions said:

rdhull said:

But Horny Toad was okay? What about the title itself, Irresistable Bitch? The sex scenario of LDC, the pervert statements in LPWM, etc etc. Now Im kind of feeling the criticism due to the "hypocriticism" of not worrying abut the other lascivous songs included in his catalogue with nary a wince.

The Howe edict has me re-analyzing all cuts both album and outtake for possible social firestorms of epic #hashtag proportions.

Like everyone flipping out over the "Head" encore on the DVD, so I was jamming along. "Love you 'til you're dead" Ahem... What? "'Love you 'til you're dead?" So rape bad, Necrophilia good, is this the message of one Howe/Comerica/Estate industries et. al? I'm just trying to keep score for us at home.

It means to love them forever, until they die. Not to fuck them after they are dead.

[Edited 12/17/19 3:04am]

Transformed1 said:

I had it pre-ordered on Amazon. I realized that there is not too much that I want and that this would be a good thing to put on my Christmas list. I planned to buy it myself though because I wanted the autorip from Amazon to be linked to my account, since it makes it much easier to access through multiple devices. Once I saw that Autorip was not included, I cancelled my preorder and included it on the Christmas wish list after all.

No autorip for Super Deluxe on amazon in the US? That's weird, we have it in the UK.

JorisE73 said:

lurker316 said:

What other songs were ommitted?

This is a list of samples from neversin that he send to some people who were going to the listening parties to compare, this was a month or so before the release and some more tracks that were later sent to others:

Little Red Corvette - non fade out version of the album version

1999 - longer alternate version of album version

All The Critics Love U in New York - alternate version

D.M.S.R. - Alternate edit, shorter than the album version

How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore? - non fade out version of the B-side

Strange Relationship

Wonderful Ass

Raspberry Beret - Piano demo (I don;t know if this is the version that The Estate couldn't find or if it's another version)

(Turn it Up)

(Feel U Up/Irresistible Bitch)
U Should be mine

(Money Don’t Grow On Trees)

Drive Me Wild
Girl O my Dreams
777-9311

(Vagina)

Jerk Out

(Rearrange)

(Bold Generation)

Blue

(Colleen)

Fox trap
Boom Boom

(You're all I want)

Moral Majority
Extra Loveable

(Yah U know' '82)
New Position

(Teacher Teacher)

Lust U Always

And he said that more 1982-1983 samples were coming to the traders and the Vanity 6 and The Time 'outtakes' and Prince's versions, but when the official tracklist was released he disappeared.
Some traders were sent some more samples a couple of days befoe the official release but I don;t know what those were, my guess is the Vanity 6 and Teh Time tracks with Prince's vocals and maybe some more 1982-1983 outtakes.

Some of these were ommitted on purpose. Any of the songs that were given to proteges and released. Also I am curious why he didn't include Baby I'm A Star on this list. For that matter, I wonder what the real purpose of sending all those songs to "traders" was given that we knew the tracklist didn't include some of this.

.

That being said, there's about another disc of stuff they coulda put out. But from the perspective of a business, why would they put every single song on the set? The set could push to a 16 LP monolith and then not only would nobody really buy it, but they'd never be able to make money from that era ever again.

LoveGalore said:

JorisE73 said:

This is a list of samples from neversin that he send to some people who were going to the listening parties to compare, this was a month or so before the release and some more tracks that were later sent to others:

Little Red Corvette - non fade out version of the album version

1999 - longer alternate version of album version

All The Critics Love U in New York - alternate version

D.M.S.R. - Alternate edit, shorter than the album version

How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore? - non fade out version of the B-side

Strange Relationship

Wonderful Ass

Raspberry Beret - Piano demo (I don;t know if this is the version that The Estate couldn't find or if it's another version)

(Turn it Up)

(Feel U Up/Irresistible Bitch)
U Should be mine

(Money Don’t Grow On Trees)

Drive Me Wild
Girl O my Dreams
777-9311

(Vagina)

Jerk Out

(Rearrange)

(Bold Generation)

Blue

(Colleen)

Fox trap
Boom Boom

(You're all I want)

Moral Majority
Extra Loveable

(Yah U know' '82)
New Position

(Teacher Teacher)

Lust U Always

And he said that more 1982-1983 samples were coming to the traders and the Vanity 6 and The Time 'outtakes' and Prince's versions, but when the official tracklist was released he disappeared.
Some traders were sent some more samples a couple of days befoe the official release but I don;t know what those were, my guess is the Vanity 6 and Teh Time tracks with Prince's vocals and maybe some more 1982-1983 outtakes.

Some of these were ommitted on purpose. Any of the songs that were given to proteges and released. Also I am curious why he didn't include Baby I'm A Star on this list. For that matter, I wonder what the real purpose of sending all those songs to "traders" was given that we knew the tracklist didn't include some of this.

.

That being said, there's about another disc of stuff they coulda put out. But from the perspective of a business, why would they put every single song on the set? The set could push to a 16 LP monolith and then not only would nobody really buy it, but they'd never be able to make money from that era ever again.

And those songs shouldn't have been omitted on purpose. They should've been on this set (along with the "Vanity 6" and "The Time" remastered albums as they constitute the whole "1999" era. These three albums are all one together.)

.

"Baby I'm A Star" was recorded during the summer of '81 ("Controversy" sessions), it was re-worked though during the same week he recorded the Dance Remix of "Let's Work" and "Rearrange".

.

You're right, business-wise, it would be useless to put every song recorded from November '81 (with some exceptions) until October '82 (with some exceptions again). That's why they specifically removed the protégé songs to release them on their shitty "Originals" series. But honestly, they're just fucking it up. They're trying to reach a younger audience (that'll probably never be interested in Prince's work nowadays). And they'll keep doing these type of releases again because they don't listen to the constructive criticism of some, and fans keep on praising these releases (only because they're scared that the Estate might retain from doing the "Deluxe" treatment while it could eventually make them improve and create much more comprehensive and complete sets).

.

They should just put more focus on being complete on those sets rather than doing half-assed sets for money.

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[Edited 12/17/19 4:16am]

[Edited 12/17/19 4:17am]

TheEnglishGent said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

The Howe edict has me re-analyzing all cuts both album and outtake for possible social firestorms of epic #hashtag proportions.

Like everyone flipping out over the "Head" encore on the DVD, so I was jamming along. "Love you 'til you're dead" Ahem... What? "'Love you 'til you're dead?" So rape bad, Necrophilia good, is this the message of one Howe/Comerica/Estate industries et. al? I'm just trying to keep score for us at home.

It means to love them forever, until they die. Not to fuck them after they are dead.

[Edited 12/17/19 3:04am]

I can't imagine someone would think he meant necrophilia with that line.
I think that whole line is just there to keep that whole wedding/bride theme of the song in tact.

TheSilentMikey said:

LoveGalore said:

Some of these were ommitted on purpose. Any of the songs that were given to proteges and released. Also I am curious why he didn't include Baby I'm A Star on this list. For that matter, I wonder what the real purpose of sending all those songs to "traders" was given that we knew the tracklist didn't include some of this.

.

That being said, there's about another disc of stuff they coulda put out. But from the perspective of a business, why would they put every single song on the set? The set could push to a 16 LP monolith and then not only would nobody really buy it, but they'd never be able to make money from that era ever again.

And those songs shouldn't have been omitted on purpose. They should've been on this set (along with the "Vanity 6" and "The Time" remastered albums as they constitute the whole "1999" era. These three albums are all one together.)

.

"Baby I'm A Star" was recorded during the summer of '81 ("Controversy" sessions), it was re-worked though during the same week he recorded the Dance Remix of "Let's Work" and "Rearrange".

.

You're right, business-wise, it would be useless to put every song recorded from November '81 (with some exceptions) until October '82 (with some exceptions again). That's why they specifically removed the protégé songs to release them on their shitty "Originals" series. But honestly, they're just fucking it up. They're trying to reach a younger audience (that'll probably never be interested in Prince's work nowadays). And they'll keep doing these type of releases again because they don't listen to the constructive criticism of some, and fans keep on praising these releases (only because they're scared that the Estate might retain from doing the "Deluxe" treatment while it could eventually make them improve and create much more comprehensive and complete sets).

.

They should just put more focus on being complete on those sets rather than doing half-assed sets for money.

[Edited 12/17/19 4:15am]

[Edited 12/17/19 4:16am]

[Edited 12/17/19 4:17am]

I would even be happy with a release strategy like a series.

Like for example release the Remaster of Parade with the B-sides and remixes and single and promo versions. Then a month later a seperate multi disc release with all Parade Outtakes/demos and then another month later a big DVD/Bluray set with seperate audio CD's of several Parade era live shows. Then you can ride that wave for 3 months and the fans can digest the releases easier and choose what they want to buy.

[Edited 12/17/19 5:28am]

TheSilentMikey said:

LoveGalore said:

Some of these were ommitted on purpose. Any of the songs that were given to proteges and released. Also I am curious why he didn't include Baby I'm A Star on this list. For that matter, I wonder what the real purpose of sending all those songs to "traders" was given that we knew the tracklist didn't include some of this.

.

That being said, there's about another disc of stuff they coulda put out. But from the perspective of a business, why would they put every single song on the set? The set could push to a 16 LP monolith and then not only would nobody really buy it, but they'd never be able to make money from that era ever again.

And those songs shouldn't have been omitted on purpose. They should've been on this set (along with the "Vanity 6" and "The Time" remastered albums as they constitute the whole "1999" era. These three albums are all one together.)

.

"Baby I'm A Star" was recorded during the summer of '81 ("Controversy" sessions), it was re-worked though during the same week he recorded the Dance Remix of "Let's Work" and "Rearrange".

.

You're right, business-wise, it would be useless to put every song recorded from November '81 (with some exceptions) until October '82 (with some exceptions again). That's why they specifically removed the protégé songs to release them on their shitty "Originals" series. But honestly, they're just fucking it up. They're trying to reach a younger audience (that'll probably never be interested in Prince's work nowadays). And they'll keep doing these type of releases again because they don't listen to the constructive criticism of some, and fans keep on praising these releases (only because they're scared that the Estate might retain from doing the "Deluxe" treatment while it could eventually make them improve and create much more comprehensive and complete sets).

.

They should just put more focus on being complete on those sets rather than doing half-assed sets for money.

[Edited 12/17/19 4:15am]

[Edited 12/17/19 4:16am]

[Edited 12/17/19 4:17am]

The set is 1999 SDE, not 1981/1982 Anthology. So I get why the protege stuff isn't relevant.

.

I'd like more proof they're gonna fuck something up before I throw my chips in with the Debbie Downers, though. This set is fantastic. Never heard of any other artist getting 2 (or 3 in our dreams) extra albums worth of unreleased material accompanying ONE album. I ain't afraid of shit, either. I long since lost the idea that I'd ever heard the vault in great quality because so-called fans were more preoccupied with either monetizing or jacking off with their ill-gotten gains than spreading the love.

.

Now, those very same fans preach from on high about what the estate does (which is largely unprecedented in the history of music - that is, handle a library such as Prince's with such an incredible wealth of unreleased material).

TheSilentMikey said:

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"Baby I'm A Star" was recorded during the summer of '81 ("Controversy" sessions), it was re-worked though during the same week he recorded the Dance Remix of "Let's Work" and "Rearrange".

Also never heard this bit before. When was this confirmed and by whom? Conventional wisdom is that it was recorded in December.

LoveGalore said:

Some of these were ommitted on purpose. Any of the songs that were given to proteges and released. Also I am curious why he didn't include Baby I'm A Star on this list. For that matter, I wonder what the real purpose of sending all those songs to "traders" was given that we knew the tracklist didn't include some of this.

He sent these tracks to these people long before the tracklist was known and was announced officially.
And he sent them to those people who he knew would be at the eventual press listening sessions.
Obviously he knew more about this release than all of us here long before it was announced officially.
A year ago he was also one of the people who said the rumour of a 1999 and Parade Deluxe was true when everybody was again doubting the rumour.

JorisE73 said:

LoveGalore said:

Some of these were ommitted on purpose. Any of the songs that were given to proteges and released. Also I am curious why he didn't include Baby I'm A Star on this list. For that matter, I wonder what the real purpose of sending all those songs to "traders" was given that we knew the tracklist didn't include some of this.

He sent these tracks to these people long before the tracklist was known and was announced officially.
And he sent them to those people who he knew would be at the eventual press listening sessions.
Obviously he knew more about this release than all of us here long before it was announced officially.
A year ago he was also one of the people who said the rumour of a 1999 and Parade Deluxe was true when everybody was again doubting the rumour.

I see, so perhaps it is through those same channels where he submitted his offer to "help" them compile something.

LoveGalore said:

TheSilentMikey said:

And those songs shouldn't have been omitted on purpose. They should've been on this set (along with the "Vanity 6" and "The Time" remastered albums as they constitute the whole "1999" era. These three albums are all one together.)

.

"Baby I'm A Star" was recorded during the summer of '81 ("Controversy" sessions), it was re-worked though during the same week he recorded the Dance Remix of "Let's Work" and "Rearrange".

.

You're right, business-wise, it would be useless to put every song recorded from November '81 (with some exceptions) until October '82 (with some exceptions again). That's why they specifically removed the protégé songs to release them on their shitty "Originals" series. But honestly, they're just fucking it up. They're trying to reach a younger audience (that'll probably never be interested in Prince's work nowadays). And they'll keep doing these type of releases again because they don't listen to the constructive criticism of some, and fans keep on praising these releases (only because they're scared that the Estate might retain from doing the "Deluxe" treatment while it could eventually make them improve and create much more comprehensive and complete sets).

.

They should just put more focus on being complete on those sets rather than doing half-assed sets for money.

[Edited 12/17/19 4:15am]

[Edited 12/17/19 4:16am]

[Edited 12/17/19 4:17am]

The set is 1999 SDE, not 1981/1982 Anthology. So I get why the protege stuff isn't relevant.

.

I'd like more proof they're gonna fuck something up before I throw my chips in with the Debbie Downers, though. This set is fantastic. Never heard of any other artist getting 2 (or 3 in our dreams) extra albums worth of unreleased material accompanying ONE album. I ain't afraid of shit, either. I long since lost the idea that I'd ever heard the vault in great quality because so-called fans were more preoccupied with either monetizing or jacking off with their ill-gotten gains than spreading the love.

.

Now, those very same fans preach from on high about what the estate does (which is largely unprecedented in the history of music - that is, handle a library such as Prince's with such an incredible wealth of unreleased material).

Now these "fans" you're talking about (those supposedly jacking off/monetizing their ill-gotten gains) are not mostly the same who preach on high. They're more of a minority.

.

There's a few who speaks (spoke for some) about Prince's log for the sake of informing people or correcting any mistake. Not for showing off or anything. And these same few guys do preach about what the estate does because Prince's legacy deserves care and rigour. And for now honestly, it doesn't look good (and it certainly won't look any better with the next releases they're planning).

LoveGalore said:

TheSilentMikey said:

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"Baby I'm A Star" was recorded during the summer of '81 ("Controversy" sessions), it was re-worked though during the same week he recorded the Dance Remix of "Let's Work" and "Rearrange".

Also never heard this bit before. When was this confirmed and by whom? Conventional wisdom is that it was recorded in December.

It was confirmed in Duane's book. Don Batts previously commented on it in Per's book "DanceMusicSexRomance".

TheSilentMikey said:

TheSilentMikey said:

LoveGalore said:

The set is 1999 SDE, not 1981/1982 Anthology. So I get why the protege stuff isn't relevant.

.

I'd like more proof they're gonna fuck something up before I throw my chips in with the Debbie Downers, though. This set is fantastic. Never heard of any other artist getting 2 (or 3 in our dreams) extra albums worth of unreleased material accompanying ONE album. I ain't afraid of shit, either. I long since lost the idea that I'd ever heard the vault in great quality because so-called fans were more preoccupied with either monetizing or jacking off with their ill-gotten gains than spreading the love.

.

Now, those very same fans preach from on high about what the estate does (which is largely unprecedented in the history of music - that is, handle a library such as Prince's with such an incredible wealth of unreleased material).

Now these "fans" you're talking about (those supposedly jacking off/monetizing their ill-gotten gains) are not mostly the same who preach on high. They're more of a minority.

.

There's a few who speaks (spoke for some) about Prince's log for the sake of informing people or correcting any mistake. Not for showing off or anything. And these same few guys do preach about what the estate does because Prince's legacy deserves care and rigour. And for now honestly, it doesn't look good (and it certainly won't look any better with the next releases they're planning).

I really would like to hear more about the ouutakes and the differences of the vault rtracks of 1999 SDE, but it seems al the info on that is now only shared with a select few, which I do get tho becuase a very vocal bunch of fans on here seem to not like that info (or anyone with that kind of info) and feel the need to troll people with info.
I remember and miss the days when fans loved to have more info on tracks and when fans devoured Per Nillsen's a Documentary and all the books with info that came after that one.

SoulAlive said:

boycotting isnt the answer.....tell them whats available is all we can do

Nobody buys CD's and LP's anymore. Its a niche market. Also everything is available on the Internet for free including artwork scans

FYI, streaming counts as sales for the Billboard 200, so it's not like that's not being represented. Prince hadn't been a factor on a charts for a good 20 years prior to his death, so it's not surprising that he's not breaking any records now.

Mikado said:

FYI, streaming counts as sales for the Billboard 200, so it's not like that's not being represented. Prince hadn't been a factor on a charts for a good 20 years prior to his death, so it's not surprising that he's not breaking any records now.

You do realize Prince had 3 top ten hit albums in the 2000's. 3121 entered at #1 on the top 200 album chart.

kewlschool said:

Y'all are really too much. 1999 SDE is great, but we get page after page of complaints?! Look, I've got a decent # of bootlegs, and there are songs on this release that I've never heard before. New songs from one of my favorite Prince eras -- you better believe that's enough goodness for me to be happy.

And one of the main complaints is that 1999 SDE is missing songs that most people on this thread have already heard. Um, how is that a serious problem? What exactly would be the great benefit of putting those songs on the release?

I'm sorry if this has already been said because I haven't read all the comments...

I think that if you aren't a die-hard Prince fan, you don't even know things have been released.

I am one of those die-hard fans. But most people I know that have liked his music over the years generally have no idea his music is still being released. Plus he doesn't get much air-play.

You can't buy what you don't know is out there...