madison said:

I’ve been a fan since the early 80s With his passing and me getting older Anything that the estate does just doesn’t Excite me all the things that he supposedly has in his vault and “Sadly” this is the best they can do ? What a shame Basically whoever is handing his releases is doing a crappy job ! Squeezing blood from a turn-up I’m kinda of done ... They need a release something That would knock the socks off his diehard fans [Edited 12/23/19 6:22am]

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Does anyone really think there's something in the vault - that hasn't already been heard - that will rival his classic work?

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I mean really????

CAL3 said:

madison said:

CAL3 said:

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Does anyone really think there's something in the vault - that hasn't already been heard - that will rival his classic work?

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I mean really????

I don’t think there’s any gems left that we haven’t heard They are just grasping for straws and releasing well presented released material They will keep re-released albums with two or three songs that we have already heard .... With a nice packaging and try to get his diehard fans to buy the album again for two songs With all the film footage and unreleased songs that he claimed to have.. I haven’t been too impressed. It makes diehard fans lose interest and the other amount of people just really don’t care to buy any upcoming Already released music

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Well stated. I agree.

I'm hoping there is some concert material (video) in there that can be released.

[Edited 12/23/19 11:00am]

CAL3 said:

madison said:

I’ve been a fan since the early 80s With his passing and me getting older Anything that the estate does just doesn’t Excite me all the things that he supposedly has in his vault and “Sadly” this is the best they can do ? What a shame Basically whoever is handing his releases is doing a crappy job ! Squeezing blood from a turn-up I’m kinda of done ... They need a release something That would knock the socks off his diehard fans [Edited 12/23/19 6:22am]

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Does anyone really think there's something in the vault - that hasn't already been heard - that will rival his classic work?

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I mean really????

look at all the gems done during all the soundchecks......theres tons more soundchecks

Complaining again already...

RodeoSchro said:

homesquid said:

1999 Deluxe is the third release from the estate. I can understand that some weren't thrilled with the first two but this one of his biggest albums and had four discs worth of unreleased material...and it couln't sell 15k in the first week?

Did you get it? If so, then what's the problem?

You have reading comprehension problems, bro?

Anyway of course I got mine but many cheap bastards obviously didn't. The price is a friggin steal for what you get. I wonder how many "fans" waste 50-60 bucks on cigarettes, coffee drinks and junk food in a week and think nothing of it. Plus so many leeches who've gotten tons of free music via bootlegs and pirated shit but didn't buy it because they have most of it...illegally. Prince's fansbase are cheap and petty.

madison said:

I’ve been a fan since the early 80s With his passing and me getting older Anything that the estate does just doesn’t Excite me all the things that he supposedly has in his vault and “Sadly” this is the best they can do ? What a shame Basically whoever is handing his releases is doing a crappy job ! Squeezing blood from a turn-up I’m kinda of done ... They need a release something That would knock the socks off his diehard fans [Edited 12/23/19 6:22am]

1999 SDE is not a "crappy" job. This is a fan-friendly release. If this doesn't excite you then you should probably go jump on the Bruno Mars train or something. The Internet has been you too hard to please.

homesquid said:

RodeoSchro said:

Did you get it? If so, then what's the problem?

You have reading comprehension problems, bro?

Anyway of course I got mine but many cheap bastards obviously didn't. The price is a friggin steal for what you get. I wonder how many "fans" waste 50-60 bucks on cigarettes, coffee drinks and junk food in a week and think nothing of it. Plus so many leeches who've gotten tons of free music via bootlegs and pirated shit but didn't buy it because they have most of it...illegally. Prince's fansbase are cheap and petty.

I got the vinyls and cds. Big bucks but worth it in my opinion. And I've no doubt I will spend more on things as they are released. Trying to do my part to support his legacy. But man....I wish we could get those pro-shot performance videos! I will buy every single one they release

CAL3 said:

madison said:

I’ve been a fan since the early 80s With his passing and me getting older Anything that the estate does just doesn’t Excite me all the things that he supposedly has in his vault and “Sadly” this is the best they can do ? What a shame Basically whoever is handing his releases is doing a crappy job ! Squeezing blood from a turn-up I’m kinda of done ... They need a release something That would knock the socks off his diehard fans [Edited 12/23/19 6:22am]

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Does anyone really think there's something in the vault - that hasn't already been heard - that will rival his classic work?

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I mean really????

Well, the NPG band members would know. Since they said they recorded videos for songs on albums that sit in the vault that have never been released.

kewlschool said:

jfenster said:

CAL3 said:

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Does anyone really think there's something in the vault - that hasn't already been heard - that will rival his classic work?

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I mean really????

look at all the gems done during all the soundchecks......theres tons more soundchecks

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I should've said I meant studio material.

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bring on the live stuff, for sure.

CAL3 said:

Moonbeam said:

CAL3 said:

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Does anyone really think there's something in the vault - that hasn't already been heard - that will rival his classic work?

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I mean really????

Yes. These 2 Vault discs from the 1999 Deluxe are incredible, and so was the vault disc from Purple Rain. The material there easily stands among his best. Hell, Disc 4 of the 1999 SDE would be a top 5 Prince album if released as is, IMO. And Originals is phenomenal, too.

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Well it's all incredibly subjective.

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IMO the very best of the tracks on these vault discs - IF they were finished productions - would maybe make decent album cuts, deep tracks that aren't really true standouts.

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And many of them shouldn't have seen the light of day. Seriously.

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I think (IMO) some fans are all-too-willing to declare medicority of genius-level due to a loss of objectivity.

CAL3 said:

Moonbeam said:

CAL3 said:

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Well it's all incredibly subjective.

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IMO the very best of the tracks on these vault discs - IF they were finished productions - would maybe make decent album cuts, deep tracks that aren't really true standouts.

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And many of them shouldn't have seen the light of day. Seriously.

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I think (IMO) some fans are all-too-willing to declare medicority of genius-level due to a loss of objectivity.

So you start by saying it’s all subjective (which I agree with) and then say that some fans (by implication, those who think the vault tracks on this set stand up to his best work), have lost their sense of objectivity. You’ve said repeatedly that you are conflicted about the vault stuff coming out and whether this material should be heard, which is fine, but it’s a bit much to dismiss those who are enthusiastic about these vault songs as you have. Any time anybody alludes to objectivity when it comes to music, that objectivity just so happens to align with that particular person’s taste...

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I was attempting to be respectful of other people's opinions while expressing my own.

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I do happen to dismiss any assertion that ALL of the vault material that has been belched out by the Estate is up to snuff.

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I'm willing to concede there are a few strong(ish) tracks mixed in amongst the unfinished dross. But as soon as anyone begins iwth the blanket statements about how universally awesome it all is, yes I do thing that indicates a loss of any sense of objectivity. (Even given the inherent subjectivity in assessing artistic expression.. if that's a contradiction, so be it.)

CAL3 said:

Moonbeam said:

CAL3 said:

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I was attempting to be respectful of other people's opinions while expressing my own.

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I do happen to dismiss any assertion that ALL of the vault material that has been belched out by the Estate is up to snuff.

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I'm willing to concede there are a few strong(ish) tracks mixed in amongst the unfinished dross. But as soon as anyone begins iwth the blanket statements about how universally awesome it all is, yes I do thing that indicates a loss of any sense of objectivity. (Even given the inherent subjectivity in assessing artistic expression.. if that's a contradiction, so be it.)

What songs are unfinished? The only one that sounds like it could fit that label is “Colleen”. I have loved songs like “Moonbeam Levels” (his very best song, IMO), “Possessed”, “Purple Music”, “No Call U”, “Turn It Up”, the alternate version of “Something in the Water”, and “Do Yourself a Favor” for 2 decades now, enough that I have fantasized about a set like this for that long and have made my own discs with various incarnations over the years. And the surprises like “Rearrange”, “Bold Generation”, and different versions of “Yah, You Know”, “How Come U Don’t Call Me Anymore”, and “Teacher, Teacher”, etc have made me ridiculously happy. You originally asked if anyone seriously thinks that these vault tracks stand up to his classic material, and my response is that yes, I am that person.

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They're all unfinished, seeing as they've all been exhumed from a vault by a team of people who did not partake in their creation. Prince didn't release them. They're all unfinished, by definition.

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But it's fine obviously to like/love any or all of them as they are. Even though most of them are subpar.

CAL3 said:

Moonbeam said:

CAL3 said:

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They're all unfinished, seeing as they've all been exhumed from a vault by a team of people who did not partake in their creation. Prince didn't release them. They're all unfinished, by definition.

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But it's fine obviously to like/love any or all of them as they are. Even though most of them are subpar.

Some of these songs appeared on configurations for albums. Prince teased the release of “Moonbeam Levels” during the Lotusflow3r site launch. Unreleased does not mean unfinished. Prince recorded most of his classic songs in a single day, just like these vault songs. He clearly made mix-down versions of them as well given the presence of bootlegs and information via interviews with Michael Howe. In that sense, his vision for those recordings was complete enough to put to tape.

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Sorry, but it does. Look at the alterations made to some of the tracks that surfaced on Crystal Ball. Look at the production differences between boots of earlier Gold tracks versus the released versions. All of us fans know that Prince was not finished with a track until I was actually released.

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Look at your own wording: "Complete enough" - that's not exactly complete, is it? Whatever Prince had in mind for these recordings - if anything at all - we'll never know. Looking at the big picture, these are in fact, beyond any doubt, not finished songs. Some more so than others, probably, though it is (and always will remains) a matter of speculation just to what extent these may have been further tinkered with. Or left unheard altogether.

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Does it matter? Should it matter? Maybe not to you - which is fine. If those aren't concerns and don't impede your ability to enjoy these recordings for what they are, that's great. To me it does, but that's my problem.

CAL3 said:

CAL3 said:

Moonbeam said:

CAL3 said: Some of these songs appeared on configurations for albums. Prince teased the release of “Moonbeam Levels” during the Lotusflow3r site launch. Unreleased does not mean unfinished. Prince recorded most of his classic songs in a single day, just like these vault songs. He clearly made mix-down versions of them as well given the presence of bootlegs and information via interviews with Michael Howe. In that sense, his vision for those recordings was complete enough to put to tape.

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Sorry, but it does.

Sorry, but it doesn't. No offence intended but what you are saying doesn't make sense.
On Crystal Ball for example Last Heart, Interactive, Strays of the World, Movie Star (except for the JOTY intro) is identical to the unreleased version so that by your logic it means that Prince put out unfinished songs.

The Black Album wasn't released until 1994 so you're saying that between december 1987 and 31 december 1993 all the songs on The Black Album were unfinished and when released they were suddenly finished while nothing extra was done to them.

Or any unreleased track on unreleased finished albums/sequences of released albums (In a Large Room with No Light, Rebirth of the Flesh, unreleased tracks from Katrina's Paper Dolls, Dream Factory, Crystall Ball 1986/1987, The Dawn, Days of Wild which was on the initial version of The Gold Experience.)

CAL3 said:

madison said:

I’ve been a fan since the early 80s With his passing and me getting older Anything that the estate does just doesn’t Excite me all the things that he supposedly has in his vault and “Sadly” this is the best they can do ? What a shame Basically whoever is handing his releases is doing a crappy job ! Squeezing blood from a turn-up I’m kinda of done ... They need a release something That would knock the socks off his diehard fans [Edited 12/23/19 6:22am]

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Does anyone really think there's something in the vault - that hasn't already been heard - that will rival his classic work?

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I mean really????

IMO, yes, easily... His best tracks still remain unreleased/unheard by most...
But that's all subjective as it's just my opinion, to you it may be different...

Neversin.

coldasice said:

CAL3 said:

Moonbeam said:

CAL3 said: Some of these songs appeared on configurations for albums. Prince teased the release of “Moonbeam Levels” during the Lotusflow3r site launch. Unreleased does not mean unfinished. Prince recorded most of his classic songs in a single day, just like these vault songs. He clearly made mix-down versions of them as well given the presence of bootlegs and information via interviews with Michael Howe. In that sense, his vision for those recordings was complete enough to put to tape.

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Sorry, but it does. Look at the alterations made to some of the tracks that surfaced on Crystal Ball. Look at the production differences between boots of earlier Gold tracks versus the released versions. All of us fans know that Prince was not finished with a track until I was actually released.

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Look at your own wording: "Complete enough" - that's not exactly complete, is it? Whatever Prince had in mind for these recordings - if anything at all - we'll never know. Looking at the big picture, these are in fact, beyond any doubt, not finished songs. Some more so than others, probably, though it is (and always will remains) a matter of speculation just to what extent these may have been further tinkered with. Or left unheard altogether.

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Does it matter? Should it matter? Maybe not to you - which is fine. If those aren't concerns and don't impede your ability to enjoy these recordings for what they are, that's great. To me it does, but that's my problem.

Yet another horseshit hot take.

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Just because something is unreleased does not make it unfinished. What kind of bizarre logic even is that? Prince has explained his reasoning for releasing (or not releasing) songs plenty of times. SOME of these songs are obviously unfinished ("Can't Stop", "Colleen", "No Call U", perhaps "Vagina". perhaps "Bold Generation" and "Rearrange"). But some are OBVIOUSLY complete as well ("Possessed", "Turn It Up", "Purple Music", "Don't Let Him Fool Ya", "Money Don't Grow On Trees", "Moonbeam Levels", etc).

I consider myself somewhere between a diehard and a casual fan. I've sought out unreleased material, own albums of his the GP prob aren't even aware exists, so in that way, I'm beyond your "casual" fan but I certainly haven't heard EVERYTHING out there or have a very specific wishlist as many "diehards" in this thread have. Just giving perspective as to the "type" of fan I am because I find the 1999 SDE (and PR for that matter) to be absolutely amazing. I'm in my late 30's and have owned the original 1999 CD since my early teens and this remaster has me hearing the album in a new light. Prob in the minority as well in that I love having the radio edits/extended versions/special versions included. I already had a few of the unreleased tracks as well but it's nice to have them in great quality on an official release. AND we get an official live performance DVD from arguably his most magical era. Truly, I couldn't be more pleased with this release. I'm sure there are many fans out there like me. Somewhat surprised to see the blase' reaction among his more passionate fans. On the other hand, not really, it seems like the most diehard fans of any artist really are the hardest to please.

Tuls101 said:

To the OP

As a fan I want P&M Blu Ray, I want Welcome to Blu Ray...I want Blu Ray content not poor video quality concerts. The Purple Rain DVD concert was poorly shot and quite frankly bootleg videos are clearer.

When will the estate realize to release the many of his concerts the pro shot ones in good quality.

Do they realize how bad these videos look when you play it on a projector.

To answer your question about where is his fanbase.

The fanbase is there. And many of us have 1999 on vinyl, cd and probably audio cassette...

One has to reallize that we are not rich....how many of us can afford to get Raveiin2, Raveun2, Versace, Emancipation, Chaos & Disorder, Planet Earth, Originals, and a whole heap of other vinyls not to mention 10LP versions

Plus fork out $$$ for the 30 or so books that are for sale

Why are they releasing stuff that we already own.

Why cant they release vault/unreleased tracks with a P&M blu ray, or any of the other videos that we dont have an offical relase for.

For the record I did buy the 1999 super deluxe vinyl....$360....it took awhile to save that money up