JediMaster said:

JorisE73 said:

I heard from some fans who didn't buy it and they said that a lot of fans are boycotting this release for ommitting to many essential tracks and Howe's comments on not releasing Extra Loveable and Lust U Always.
These fans are content with downloading the FLACs of this release and will buy the eventual more complete version when done right or better.

That's pretty dumb. If this set doesn't sell, the Estate damned sure won't do a "more complete version".

Kind of a chicken and egg thing.
I bought it knowing full well it isn't what I wanted but to support future releases. Most of these fans (some hardcore traders) didn't buy it after hearing the set weeks before it was released and decided it was too crap to pay for.

jfenster said:

JorisE73 said:

I heard from some fans who didn't buy it and they said that a lot of fans are boycotting this release for ommitting to many essential tracks and Howe's comments on not releasing Extra Loveable and Lust U Always.
These fans are content with downloading the FLACs of this release and will buy the eventual more complete version when done right or better.

so they r willing to sabotage future releases?? dumbasses

I know.

But these fans only seem to care about the releases being as complete as possible and representative of Prince.
These are fans who offered to help out to speed up the process and make it as thorough as possible to deaf ears from WB and The Estate. Plus that idiotic reason for not releasing the two 'rape' tracks played a big part. What's next, banning books because it might offend someone? Or erasing a rape scene in a movie or book?

It's important that fans support this release.If it doesn't sell well,there's a chance that we won't get those other 'Super Deluxe Editions' that we want so bad.Buy a copy of this set,folks! Buy another copy to give as a Christmas gift!

SoulAlive said:

It's important that fans support this release.If it doesn't sell well,there's a chance that we won't get those other 'Super Deluxe Editions' that we want so bad.Buy a copy of this set,folks! Buy another copy to give as a Christmas gift!

I completely agree, but some fans think that if they shell out money for this release the Estate might think that they did a great job and this kind of sets is what we want and will only get instead of proper, full on, questionable lyrics and all releases.

When speaking of the estate and what they will put out, it should be noted that the box it was shipped in came from Warner Music Group. They had some say so in what we have. But I do agree that if people want more, they need to step up and do more than just talk, they need to purchase too.

JorisE73 said:

SoulAlive said:

It's important that fans support this release.If it doesn't sell well,there's a chance that we won't get those other 'Super Deluxe Editions' that we want so bad.Buy a copy of this set,folks! Buy another copy to give as a Christmas gift!

I completely agree, but some fans think that if they shell out money for this release the Estate might think that they did a great job and this kind of sets is what we want and will only get instead of proper, full on, questionable lyrics and all releases.

I think the 1999 Deluxe Edition is excellent and should be supported.We get two discs of vault tracks,the remastered album,a disc of single edits and promo versions,a live disc,and even a DVD of a live show from that era.Seriously,what is there to complain about?! This set is fantastic!!

Those fans remind me of the current republican party. Fucking senseless. As if the releases are hanging on the nickle n dime of those protesting the merits of Princes pubes on the toilet seat. Those fans u speak of are not going to make or break any decision of any future remasters being released or not. Not saying that the estate etc are not considering some ideas or criticisms they read, but to hold hostage their purchasing because of a reverb, brick house , I mean brickwall, a non-inclusion of a certain song, is dumbassery at its finest. AKA akin to a child holding ones breath till they get their way lmao. As if they simply released 1999 with only to extra songs etc.

JorisE73 said:

SoulAlive said:

It's important that fans support this release.If it doesn't sell well,there's a chance that we won't get those other 'Super Deluxe Editions' that we want so bad.Buy a copy of this set,folks! Buy another copy to give as a Christmas gift!

I completely agree, but some fans think that if they shell out money for this release the Estate might think that they did a great job and this kind of sets is what we want and will only get instead of proper, full on, questionable lyrics and all releases

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JorisE73 said:

We owe the estate nothing and, if they want me to give them my money, they need to release products I want. That's Capitalism 101.


Get woke, go broke.

Meanwhile I'll continue listening to 1999 Deluxe on the free tier of Spotify and the Estate can enjoy the $0.000000005 of ad revenue they get from every listen

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Strive said:

We owe the estate nothing and, if they want me to give them my money, they need to release products I want.

Thats what Prince did, right? lol

rdhull said:

Strive said:

We owe the estate nothing and, if they want me to give them my money, they need to release products I want.

Thats what Prince did, right? lol

Honestly, yes. I bought from 3rdEyeTunes. I bought AoA/PE. I had a Tidal subscription for H&R.


He was doing solid near the end of his life. He wasn't opening the vault to give us the uncut goodies but the music he was releasing was good for what it was and I understand the nuance with songs like Baltimore and the reasoning why he would rerecord Extraloveable.


The Estate and WB have been regularly dropping the ball with every release and I don't feel like they've done anything to earn my support. Yeah, I bought Purple Rain Deluxe but that's because the price was right. Everything else, nope. They're going to have to work harder to get my funky dollar bill

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Strive said:

rdhull said:

Thats what Prince did, right? lol

Honestly, yes. I bought from 3rdEyeTunes. I bought AoA/PE. I had a Tidal subscription for H&R.


He was doing solid near the end of his life. He wasn't opening the vault to give us the uncut goodies but the music he was releasing was good for what it was and I understand the nuance with songs like Baltimore and the reasoning why he would rerecord Extraloveable.


The Estate and WB have been regularly dropping the ball with every release and I don't feel like they've done anything to earn my support. Yeah, I bought Purple Rain Deluxe but that's because the price was right. Everything else, nope. They're going to have to work harder to get my funky dollar bill

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I was under the impression that he released what he wanted and thought was right and not simpley what some fans demanded (technically specking here not every nook n cranny so please dont start no crazines). Because you enjoyed some of his output or took part in some of his projects and ideas doesnt mean he didnt do it his way and not at the behest of fandom grinding their gears hard enough to get those things.

Strive said:

The Estate and WB have been regularly dropping the ball with every release and I don't feel like they've done anything to earn my support. Y

What did they do wrong with the 1999 Super Deluxe Edition? Why don't you want to buy it?

to those fans complaining about the non-inclusion of "those two songs"....it's not as if those songs are hard to find elsewhere if you want them,you can easily obtain them.

homesquid said:

rdhull said:

I was under the impression that he released what he wanted and thought was right and not simpley what some fans demanded (technically specking here not every nook n cranny so please dont start no crazines). Because you enjoyed some of his output or took part in some of his projects and ideas doesnt mean he didnt do it his way and not at the behest of fandom grinding their gears hard enough to get those things.

You're right. Prince did what he wanted and it was up to the fanbase whether they were going to go along with it or not. There was no threats that Prince was going to retire when NEWS sold 30k and everybody knew that a new album was coming eventually. If you didn't like the style of HNR 1, something else was on the horizon.

Now it's "We have to support the Estate and WB no matter what stupid decision they make or else they'll close the vault forever."

The answer to that is "No, we don't." If they want to drown songs in reverb or hold back classic tracks because of crude lyrical content while catering to the woke social justice crowd with other tracks or piss on Prince's legacy on a large scale, they can. We, as consumers, can also tell them to fuck off.

The Estate and WB can't afford to close the vault but I can close my wallet very easily.

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Strive said:

rdhull said:

I was under the impression that he released what he wanted and thought was right and not simpley what some fans demanded (technically specking here not every nook n cranny so please dont start no crazines). Because you enjoyed some of his output or took part in some of his projects and ideas doesnt mean he didnt do it his way and not at the behest of fandom grinding their gears hard enough to get those things.

You're right.

The end.

SoulAlive said:

RODSERLING said:

SoulAlive said:

What did they do wrong with the 1999 Super Deluxe Edition? Why don't you want to buy it?

to those fans complaining about the non-inclusion of "those two songs"....it's not as if those songs are hard to find elsewhere if you want them,you can easily obtain them.

Let s face it, the price is pure thievery.

The vinyl, yes, not the cds.

rdhull said:

dumbassery [...] child

^^^

Strive said:

rdhull said:

dumbassery [...] child

^^^

RODSERLING said:

SoulAlive said:

What did they do wrong with the 1999 Super Deluxe Edition? Why don't you want to buy it?

to those fans complaining about the non-inclusion of "those two songs"....it's not as if those songs are hard to find elsewhere if you want them,you can easily obtain them.

Let s face it, the price is pure thievery.

I paid $53.38 for this set on Amazon.To me,that's not an outrageous price.

I've ripped my vinyl copy of the 1999 Super Deluxe Edition to FLACs and have been listening mostly to that...

Today was the first chance I had, with the house to myself, to blast the vinyl through my 'proper' stereo and 'proper' speakers.... OH MY GOD!!!!

It sounds SENSATIONAL. Hearing these tracks, so long hidden or available only in lesser sound, finally released in proper quality and with decent curation - was absolutely incredible.

The Super Deluxe was a little pricey on vinyl, but so the hell what? Listening today, I couldn't care less about that... it's an absolutely STONKINGLY good release!

I see no reasons for complaining AT ALL.

Yeah, I railed against Extra Loveable and Lust U Always not being on there, but actually now, I kind of like that they're not, that they still remain part of the 'secret' world of Prince (plus they're on my bonus discs of Vault material in my digital version of this deluxe edition )

Those complaning about the 'crap' disc of singles and edits need to understand that they're an essential part of the document.... it would be ridiculous not to release them in this set.

Anyway, I for one think the Estate and Warners have done a BRILLIANT job with 1999 and it makes me excited for what comes next.

Aside from the audio, the vinyl set itself is a thing of absolute beauty and attention to detail.

All the discs SOUND fantastic - NO BRICKWALLING HERE - and they are presented in high quality sleeves with poly lined inners, and additional inner picture sleeves. The box is beautifully made.

I'm enjoying the hell out of it and can't quite believe we've actually gotten something this good.

SoulAlive said:

Seahorsie said:

AND, looking at this from a practical angle, it is time to pay your year-end taxes, & get your loved ones a gift. I am going to order it, as I am a vinyl freak but this month I just can't yet. But as soon as I recoop a little, I am. I want it soooo bad.....

Same here, strapped for Cash. Will have to get it later...

www.facebook.com/SonofPrince777

JorisE73 said:

homesquid said:

1999 Deluxe is the third release from the estate. I can understand that some weren't thrilled with the first two but this one of his biggest albums and had four discs worth of unreleased material...and it couln't sell 15k in the first week?

I heard from some fans who didn't buy it and they said that a lot of fans are boycotting this release for ommitting to many essential tracks and Howe's comments on not releasing Extra Loveable and Lust U Always.
These fans are content with downloading the FLACs of this release and will buy the eventual more complete version when done right or better.

Sorry, I must have missed that. What did Howe say about those two tracks?


EDIT: I belieeve I found it. This is a quote I found from an interview with him: “Even though those two tracks are resolutely of the era, both tracks contain somewhat lamentable rape references. Given the egregiously insensitive candour of the lyrics and our lack of wanting to take creative license by editing or manipulating the tracks, we decided not to include them. Even though we want to shed light on the entire creative period, we certainly don’t want to be inflammatory or insensitive. We didn’t think it was right to include them.”

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His fanbase will be listening to his music for a long long time...15k sold or 15 million sold, we're not going anywhere !

Keep in mind most of us already have the 1999 CD and vinyl and the b-sides, etc.

I'm waiting to get the $70 Super Deluxe version after the holidays. Buying things for my kids is a bigger priority at the moment.

LoveGalore said:

JorisE73 said:

I know.

But these fans only seem to care about the releases being as complete as possible and representative of Prince.
These are fans who offered to help out to speed up the process and make it as thorough as possible to deaf ears from WB and The Estate. Plus that idiotic reason for not releasing the two 'rape' tracks played a big part. What's next, banning books because it might offend someone? Or erasing a rape scene in a movie or book?

Oh. Those fans. The same ones who already have the material on this set. Zzzzzz. They can stay wherever they hang out now and share tapes among themselves without a need for these releases anyway.

So true.

lurker316 said:

JorisE73 said:

I heard from some fans who didn't buy it and they said that a lot of fans are boycotting this release for ommitting to many essential tracks and Howe's comments on not releasing Extra Loveable and Lust U Always.
These fans are content with downloading the FLACs of this release and will buy the eventual more complete version when done right or better.

Sorry, I must have missed that. What did Howe say about those two tracks?


EDIT: I belieeve I found it. This is a quote I found from an interview with him: “Even though those two tracks are resolutely of the era, both tracks contain somewhat lamentable rape references. Given the egregiously insensitive candour of the lyrics and our lack of wanting to take creative license by editing or manipulating the tracks, we decided not to include them. Even though we want to shed light on the entire creative period, we certainly don’t want to be inflammatory or insensitive. We didn’t think it was right to include them.”

[Edited 12/10/19 15:40pm]

that's the quote yes.
Hopefully when this whole oversensitive nonsense blows over they'll release them on something else.