Honestly... I took a pass on buying this release because of the omission of Extraloveable, along with the lazyness of some of the mastering (releasing things at the wrong speed, etc.).

If they think they'll make more money by censoring the catalog, I wish them the best of luck with that. Sounds like it's not working out too well so far...

Tuls101 said:

BanishedBrian said:

JorisE73 said:

CAL3 said:

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Sorry, but it does.

Sorry, but it doesn't. No offence intended but what you are saying doesn't make sense.
On Crystal Ball for example Last Heart, Interactive, Strays of the World, Movie Star (except for the JOTY intro) is identical to the unreleased version so that by your logic it means that Prince put out unfinished songs.

The Black Album wasn't released until 1994 so you're saying that between december 1987 and 31 december 1993 all the songs on The Black Album were unfinished and when released they were suddenly finished while nothing extra was done to them.

Or any unreleased track on unreleased finished albums/sequences of released albums (In a Large Room with No Light, Rebirth of the Flesh, unreleased tracks from Katrina's Paper Dolls, Dream Factory, Crystall Ball 1986/1987, The Dawn, Days of Wild which was on the initial version of The Gold Experience.)

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I'm not saying that at all. You're misinterpreting the point.

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It's actually very simple.

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If Prince released it, it's finished.

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If Prince didn't release it, it wasn't finished.

CAL3 said:

It's actually very simple.

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If Prince released it, it's finished.

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If Prince didn't release it, it wasn't finished.

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So there can be no other reasons?

CAL3 said:

JorisE73 said:

Sorry, but it doesn't. No offence intended but what you are saying doesn't make sense.
On Crystal Ball for example Last Heart, Interactive, Strays of the World, Movie Star (except for the JOTY intro) is identical to the unreleased version so that by your logic it means that Prince put out unfinished songs.

The Black Album wasn't released until 1994 so you're saying that between december 1987 and 31 december 1993 all the songs on The Black Album were unfinished and when released they were suddenly finished while nothing extra was done to them.

Or any unreleased track on unreleased finished albums/sequences of released albums (In a Large Room with No Light, Rebirth of the Flesh, unreleased tracks from Katrina's Paper Dolls, Dream Factory, Crystall Ball 1986/1987, The Dawn, Days of Wild which was on the initial version of The Gold Experience.)

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I'm not saying that at all. You're misinterpreting the point.

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It's actually very simple.

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If Prince released it, it's finished.

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If Prince didn't release it, it wasn't finished.

So "Parade" is finished just because Prince released it?
Prince finished some of the songs of "Parade" after the album was already released...

Which version of "The Dance" is the completely finished version since there are multiple versions released by Prince?

Neversin.

CAL3 said:

Neversin said:

CAL3 said:

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I'm not saying that at all. You're misinterpreting the point.

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It's actually very simple.

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If Prince released it, it's finished.

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If Prince didn't release it, it wasn't finished.

So "Parade" is finished just because Prince released it?
Prince finished some of the songs of "Parade" after the album was already released...

Which version of "The Dance" is the completely finished version since there are multiple versions released by Prince?

Neversin.

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Yeah, it's a finished product once he released it to the public.

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If he revisited, re-edited, re-mixed, re-mastered, re-wrote, re-conceived, or otherwise altered something in some way - and re-released it for public consumption - then that's ALSO a finished product.

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But none of that invalidates the original finished product. It just means that multiple versions of something can and do exist. Finished versions. Just different from each other.

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But the stuff that remained in the vault at the time of his death, will remain 'works in progress.' Incomplete. How could they ever be considered "finished" when Prince isn't around to decide that they are in fact finished and ready for public consumption?

CAL3 said:

Neversin said:

So "Parade" is finished just because Prince released it?
Prince finished some of the songs of "Parade" after the album was already released...

Which version of "The Dance" is the completely finished version since there are multiple versions released by Prince?

Neversin.

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Yeah, it's a finished product once he released it to the public.

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If he revisited, re-edited, re-mixed, re-mastered, re-wrote, re-conceived, or otherwise altered something in some way - and re-released it for public consumption - then that's ALSO a finished product.

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But none of that invalidates the original finished product. It just means that multiple versions of something can and do exist. Finished versions. Just different from each other.

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But the stuff that remained in the vault at the time of his death, will remain 'works in progress.' Incomplete. How could they ever be considered "finished" when Prince isn't around to decide that they are in fact finished and ready for public consumption?

Seriously?
During his WBR stint Prince wasn't allowed to release particular "finished" tracks, so your theory doesn't make sense...

Neversin.

Neversin said:

CAL3 said:

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Yeah, it's a finished product once he released it to the public.

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If he revisited, re-edited, re-mixed, re-mastered, re-wrote, re-conceived, or otherwise altered something in some way - and re-released it for public consumption - then that's ALSO a finished product.

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But none of that invalidates the original finished product. It just means that multiple versions of something can and do exist. Finished versions. Just different from each other.

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But the stuff that remained in the vault at the time of his death, will remain 'works in progress.' Incomplete. How could they ever be considered "finished" when Prince isn't around to decide that they are in fact finished and ready for public consumption?

Seriously?
During his WBR stint Prince wasn't allowed to release particular "finished" tracks, so your theory doesn't make sense...

Neversin.

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Makes nothing but sense.

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Prince had how many years after WB to release whatever he wanted?

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It's a basic concept: what was released was finished. What wasn't released, we'll never know. It's a matter of speculation, if anything at all. But if it didn't come out, how can anyone but Prince know if it was finished or not?

CAL3 said:

Prince songs were never finished.

Look at, listen to the live additions, remakes, etc.

Besides, WBR released "Parade" without Prince's full approval because the tracks weren't finished to him... So CAL3, your theory still doesn't add up or make sense... Unless you're a record company stooge then your agenda is quite clear and shouldn't be taken seriously...

Neversin.

mbdtyler said:

maybe some can't afford the whole set at the moment?

Affordability is not a valid reason IMO.

Fan base is predominantly in their 40's thru 60's when most are at peak income levels with little to no debt.

I went to concerts 5-6 years ago when 10,000 seat venues sold out at a get-in price over $200 so trust me when I say his fans can afford to buy his music. It's not like his fanbase is teenagers on an allowance or 20-somethings just starting their careers.

Neversin said:

Besides, WBR released "Parade" without Prince's full approval because the tracks weren't finished to him... So CAL3, your theory still doesn't add up or make sense... Unless you're a record company stooge then your agenda is quite clear and shouldn't be taken seriously...

Neversin.

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Damn, you OUTED ME! I'm a record company stooge! With a clear agenda!

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I didn't realize I was being so obvious about it!!!!!

udo said:

Prince songs were never finished.

Look at, listen to the live additions, remakes, etc.

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Could not possibly be less relevant to the point I was making.

BanishedBrian said:

Honestly... I took a pass on buying this release because of the omission of Extraloveable, along with the lazyness of some of the mastering (releasing things at the wrong speed, etc.).

If they think they'll make more money by censoring the catalog, I wish them the best of luck with that. Sounds like it's not working out too well so far...

I completely agree - not including those two key songs (perhaps the best outtakes of the era) soured me enough to not buy this box.

he pulled Days of Wild ...and that was finished

CAL3 said:

udo said:

Prince songs were never finished.

Look at, listen to the live additions, remakes, etc.

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Could not possibly be less relevant to the point I was making.

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Because?