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Reply #1020 posted 07/19/19 11:57am

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ian said:

Yeah I got the same email.
Annoying because I could have just ordered with Amazon, who do have stock it seems.

feeluupp said:

I got that email too. I just ordered the white vinyl from them and I'm going to pick up the deluxe one at local record store. Funny that they say it's "industry wide", but all the record stores here seems to have gotten them, except for the exclusive white vinyl of course.

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Reply #1021 posted 07/20/19 5:28am

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Could not agree more, the vinyl is way better sounding than the CD. Also love the packaging and booklet too!


djThunderfunk said:

Picked up the regular 180gm vinyl today.

Passing on the deluxe, protesting the exclusivity of the book AND I'm anal ( biggrin ) about my collection. I want a regular CD on the CD shelf and a regular LP on the record shelf. I don't like the deluxe packagings at all.

The good news is the vinyl sounds MUCH better than the CD & digital versions (yeah, I know CDs ARE digital, thanks). So happy to enjoy this without all the loudness mastering issues that distorted some of the tracks on the CD.

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Reply #1022 posted 07/21/19 12:03pm

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In defense of the exclusivity of some of the Deluxe version content: the three essays aren't very interesting and certainly far from being essential or particularly informative - nothing we haven't heard before - really, will anyone re-read any of these? It's a beautiful package for those with a few extra bucks to spare, but the regular version is completely sufficient.

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Reply #1023 posted 07/21/19 12:07pm

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christobole said:

In defense of the exclusivity of some of the Deluxe version content: the three essays aren't very interesting and certainly far from being essential or particularly informative - nothing we haven't heard before - really, will anyone re-read any of these? It's a beautiful package for those with a few extra bucks to spare, but the regular version is completely sufficient.


Well damn lol
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Reply #1024 posted 07/21/19 12:31pm

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christobole said:

In defense of the exclusivity of some of the Deluxe version content: the three essays aren't very interesting and certainly far from being essential or particularly informative - nothing we haven't heard before - really, will anyone re-read any of these? It's a beautiful package for those with a few extra bucks to spare, but the regular version is completely sufficient.

Yeah... I'd suspected that might be the case. I plumped for the regular edition vinyl, as I did with Piano And A Microphone. I don't like the bulky and pointless semi-box that the deluxe version comes in, and I'd always rather have black vinyl - coloured vinyl, to me, is for kids.

So while I'd like to have the booklet, and fully think it should be in the regular edition, I won't be paying the extra £20/£25 for something I'm not that fussed about. The regular vinyl is overpriced as it is, and £50 for the deluxe, with no extra music? A total piss take. Especially with Emancipation, Chaos & Disorder and Versace Experience vinyl coming out shortly.

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Reply #1025 posted 07/22/19 11:36am

ian

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Another disadvantage of these "deluxe" offerings is just how bulky they are - they don't fit in a regular outer sleeve (for the vinyl nerds out there) and they take so much shelf space. With 4Ever, Piano and a Mic, and now Originals Deluxe all being so chunky, I'm not sure how many years of overpackaged cash-ins my shelves can take smile

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Reply #1026 posted 07/22/19 1:00pm

Rimshottbob

ian said:

Another disadvantage of these "deluxe" offerings is just how bulky they are - they don't fit in a regular outer sleeve (for the vinyl nerds out there) and they take so much shelf space. With 4Ever, Piano and a Mic, and now Originals Deluxe all being so chunky, I'm not sure how many years of overpackaged cash-ins my shelves can take smile

Agreed! cool

Feels to me like 4Ever at least deserved its box and size, but the other should just be packaged as regular albums...

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Reply #1027 posted 07/22/19 1:50pm

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I just had a wonderful evening with the deluxe package and care to disagree with christobole and ian: My vinyl shelf (= wall) has long been more then full, but I'm sure you easily can find some ten records to give away to accomodate this great package.

It may sound conservative, but when listening to these two vinyls you surely will agree: This is the way your 80's Prince should sound. I have been listening to these songs for some weeks (or is it months already?) on Tidal now, and the sound of the vinyls is another league. The CD? Sounds very boring in comparison. So i agree with djThunderfunk and SuperHero here: These songs were made for the warm vinyl sound, not for the digital era.

There's one song/mix I still cannot get into even on vinyl, and that is Manic Monday. All the more I long for the release of the "real" original version by Apollonia 6 of which the tracking sheet is pictured in the booklet with vocals by Prince (high), Prince (low), Brenda (lead), Apollonia and Jill. Hopefully one day...

Which brings us to the booklet: Of course there is nothing lifechanging in the three essays, but even though i've read all the recent interviews with Peggy McCreary and Susannah, there are still some great anecdotes and observations that are exclusive to this set. While Peggy's essay is more informative, Susannahs essay reads like a love letter to Prince and is very touching, at least for me. But the highlights of the booklet for me are the various tracking sheets and the original lyrics from 1976 for Wouldn't You Love To Love Me which differ wildly from the later versions but nevertheless encompass everything Prince would be in the decades to come.

Long story short: I strongly recommend everybody to rush out and buy the deluxe set. The superior sound quality alone is worth the price. The artwork (the cover in 12 '' size is gorgeous, as is the inner sleeve with the Manic Monday reel!) is worth the price alone. And the booklet is at least very nice to have. Money and shelf space very well spent! Great job, Michael Howe (+ the Estate?)

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Reply #1028 posted 07/23/19 3:51am

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The August 2019 issue of UK music monthly Mojo (issue 309) has a four star review of Originals in their "Filter Reissues" section; it is a full-page review by Paul Trynka, titled "Let’s go to work: A collection of songs written by Prince for other people evokes sadness at a career cut short – but also captures the joy of creation."

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Reply #1029 posted 07/23/19 4:54am

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I just hope they go easier on the heavy amount of reverb added to his voice for future releases. It takes his voice 'out' of the song to an extent. It is really a horrnedous amount of uncecessary reverb, almost ruins Sex Shooter, especially the beginning and the spoken part where the music is sparse. It is my only gripe in how Niko Balas handled the songs on Originals. Other than that I thought he did great work.

[Edited 7/24/19 18:40pm]

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Reply #1030 posted 07/24/19 1:57pm

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so, just read on facebook, on the official prince page, that "holly rock" will be the second single.

boxed

there's even going to be an animated video for it. well, i guess that's about all the 'single' we'll
get.

it would be nice if they released an actual single, with the untinkered version on it smile

oh, here's the link:

https://www.facebook.com/...-O-dkTMalL


smile

[Edited 7/24/19 14:00pm]

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #1031 posted 07/24/19 4:38pm

feeluupp

Meh... Probably the worst choice for a single from that album...

IstenSzek said:

so, just read on facebook, on the official prince page, that "holly rock" will be the second single.

boxed

there's even going to be an animated video for it. well, i guess that's about all the 'single' we'll
get.

it would be nice if they released an actual single, with the untinkered version on it smile

oh, here's the link:

https://www.facebook.com/...-O-dkTMalL


smile

[Edited 7/24/19 14:00pm]

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Reply #1032 posted 07/24/19 4:52pm

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Wouldn't You Love to Love Me? would have been a better choice imo.
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Reply #1033 posted 07/24/19 5:06pm

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by all acounts we've had on here it's the most obvious cut n paste job on the record lol

but oh well.

also, it's a great groove and all, but it's kind of boring and hardly a 'single' worthy of the
name. "love they will be done" would have been the obvious choice.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #1034 posted 07/24/19 6:26pm

FunkyStrange

Over an hour long interview with Niko Bolas, the guy who mixed the material on the Originals album and much more..

https://peachandblack.pod...interview/
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Reply #1035 posted 07/24/19 7:44pm

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FunkyStrange said:

Over an hour long interview with Niko Bolas, the guy who mixed the material on the Originals album and much more.. https://peachandblack.pod...interview/ . . [Edited 7/24/19 18:26pm]


Yeah interesting interview, most of the tracks were indeed constructed from the multi tracks, and he pieced them together keeping in mind various guidlines for accuracy, but many liberties were taken. The most aggregious being the massive reverb placed on most of his vocals. Which takes his voice OUT of the song imo.

I hope Niko sees this, because he worked on 50-60 other tracks the estate gave him, and I would love for his vocals to stay as is on those.

He gets tracks all the time from the estate, and is working one now, a sparse piano track, that he said will be out in a few months. How amazing would it be if it is With This Tear?

I am so glad the interviewers asked the question on the reverb, I thought I was the only one that thought it was way too much.

Anyway, the guy has one of the best jobs on the planet right now. Talk about lucky.

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Reply #1036 posted 07/27/19 5:23am

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I am kinda surprised they didn't use the 86 version of Wouldn't You Love To Love Me? Out of all the versions it is the closest to the one he gave away that was actually released.

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Reply #1037 posted 07/27/19 7:12am

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Really liking the 78 version of "Wouldn't You Love to Love Me?" that's up on Youtube just now. Wonder why that wasn't used on Originals?

Speaking of that song... I'm curious about the audio quality issues with the version they did use on the record, presumably it came from an audio cassette or something? I had hoped the P&B guys would ask Niko about that.

The podcast was awesome but the interview with Niko Bolas was a little tricky at times. It was cool they asked about the early fade-outs and the super-wet reverb on the vocals (though his answers were not great) and overall it felt like he could be quite slippery as an interviewee, he just wouldn't be pinned down on anything specific at all. Either he couldn't remember the songs, or didn't want to discuss the mixing process, or gave slightly misleading answers about the audio sources and how songs were pieced together from different sources etc. Ah well, I guess this is the new normal now, with other folk making decisions over Prince's music. Pity the estate didn't get someone more connected to Prince's legacy to supervise the mixes.

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Reply #1038 posted 07/27/19 12:03pm

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ian said:

Really liking the 78 version of "Wouldn't You Love to Love Me?" that's up on Youtube just now. Wonder why that wasn't used on Originals?

Speaking of that song... I'm curious about the audio quality issues with the version they did use on the record, presumably it came from an audio cassette or something? I had hoped the P&B guys would ask Niko about that.

The podcast was awesome but the interview with Niko Bolas was a little tricky at times. It was cool they asked about the early fade-outs and the super-wet reverb on the vocals (though his answers were not great) and overall it felt like he could be quite slippery as an interviewee, he just wouldn't be pinned down on anything specific at all. Either he couldn't remember the songs, or didn't want to discuss the mixing process, or gave slightly misleading answers about the audio sources and how songs were pieced together from different sources etc. Ah well, I guess this is the new normal now, with other folk making decisions over Prince's music. Pity the estate didn't get someone more connected to Prince's legacy to supervise the mixes.


He is most likely under many nda's.

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Reply #1039 posted 08/02/19 6:32am

Holmes

I agree with leadline, that there is too much reverb on these mixes.

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Reply #1040 posted 08/02/19 12:32pm

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I love this album! It is cool hearing his versions of the songs.

Love is God, God is love, girls and boys love God above~
The only Love there is, is the Love We Make~
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Reply #1041 posted 08/03/19 5:45am

Romeoblu

I finally got the vinyl version, black vinyl.

It's sounds great.
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Reply #1042 posted 08/03/19 2:19pm

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Just FYI:

I saw Originals at Barnes & Noble on vinyl today, as well as Rave In2 The Joy Fantastic on purple vinyl. Of course each place may have a different inventory.

Just when U think U've got more than enough, that's when it all up and flies away.
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Reply #1043 posted 08/03/19 5:06pm

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My deluxe Originals arrived this past Thursday, and yes, I will more than likely always order from Amazon! But fam to fam, I'm having a moment. There have been books written over the years, so the recent ones really didn't take me out. There have been different versions of songs and songs unreleased. We're spoiled, I've/we've pretty much heard them all. It wasn't until I opened this Originals Deluxe package that for the first time since 2016, to myself I said, "He's really gone." sad

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to have purchased this product, happy the Estate is trying hard to please the expert and novice fam all at the same time. I just needed to share my heart for a moment cuz we know without a doubt P would have never released this. Brings the grief back home to me. Pardon my need to share.

Welcome home class. We've come a long way. - RIP Prince
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Reply #1044 posted 08/04/19 8:56pm

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too much reverb as in?

Holmes said:

I agree with leadline, that there is too much reverb on these mixes.

[Edited 8/2/19 20:22pm]

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Reply #1045 posted 08/06/19 2:24am

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Kobe said:

too much reverb as in?

Holmes said:

I agree with leadline, that there is too much reverb on these mixes.

[Edited 8/2/19 20:22pm]

His vocals sound like he's singing in a cathedral, you can really hear how especially wet it is when he's doing more speak-sing vocal asides in "Jungle Love". His vocals never sounded like that on his own releases.

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Reply #1046 posted 08/06/19 2:44am

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WhisperingDandelions said:

Kobe said:

too much reverb as in?

His vocals sound like he's singing in a cathedral, you can really hear how especially wet it is when he's doing more speak-sing vocal asides in "Jungle Love". His vocals never sounded like that on his own releases.


Amen to that, never, not on released, not on demos, not on unreleased stuff, not on associated artist stuff, etc. How the heck do you water down a funk track like Jungle Love? By design, every aspect of the sound is supposed to be tight, it is not a ballad. Its like the guy that did this had a bucket filled to the brim with reverb and just poured it over everything indiscriminantly. He should have known better, and if the estate had any clue, they would not have allowed it.

There are proabably 100+ songs now that this guy has done, you can expect them all to be drowning as he mentioned in his interview he has a phd in reverb. He needs to get a phd in removing reverb, quick.

Its hilarious, all this talk in the interview about staying true to Prince's vision, and then he drowns his vocals to the max. There is nothing in Prince's vision or historical account that could ever lead one to believe that that was the right move.

You don't take liberties on Prince's music, it is the way it is for one simple reason, THAT is how he wanted it.

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Reply #1047 posted 08/06/19 4:01am

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Yeah, I agree...This is really disturbing to have someone not familiar with Prince's music in charge of all the mixing process.

The reverb issue is a good example of why they should have appointed Susan or Peggy. I guess they both were asking for much more money for the job than N.Bolas.
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