ya, they do, it's already on youtube, i could just listen there whenever i want but I want to support the efforts so i looked for it, couldn't find it, don't have time to hunt for cd's.

Se7en said:

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said: What is your prediction for the Billboard 200 Feeluup? Like I said, the Tidal exclusive deal killed potential sales, just like the deluxe edition not released at the same time. Poor packaging didn't help neither. It wouldn't be surprising if it doesn't make top 100! They did everything to in their power to make it a flop. They could have done a one hour documentary for tv, etc. [Edited 6/24/19 10:33am]

I think all streaming sites cannibalize actual sales.

I was watching that 2-hour tightrope special on ABC last night, where they're walking a tightrope above Times Square, and no fewer than 3 times did Prince's face (the "Originals" ad) pop up on the giant LED billboards. It was cool to see -- they're definitely doing a lot of advertising on this album!

I do like your idea of a documentary. Get The Bangles, Kenny Rogers, Sheila E. to discuss how these tracks came to be presented to them.

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

Not surprised...

You can promote and release all reviews in print and billboards at train stations... They always neglect the most relevant promotion now in today's society, that is social media.

Still the estate and Prince's social media presence and marketing sucks.

What is your prediction for the Billboard 200 Feeluup? Like I said, the Tidal exclusive deal killed potential sales, just like the deluxe edition not released at the same time. Poor packaging didn't help neither. It wouldn't be surprising if it doesn't make top 100! They did everything to in their power to make it a flop. They could have done a one hour documentary for tv, etc. [Edited 6/24/19 10:33am]

Guess we will see by the end of the week...

The point is not if he has social media or not, it's how they utlilize it. Bart doesn't understand the concept of social media for the 20 and under generation, as it is ever evolving.

To have facebook, instagram and twitter but not utilize it properly doesn't help sales, because at the end of the day you can have your face on times square, or on a billboard on a train station, or on a magazine, but the most effective way to market now is in the palm of your hand. It's called a smart phone and tbh the estate is just out of touch, if people like Omar have any say in anything with the estate, that should be proof enough how out of touch the estate really is.

We can discuss this about every release, but honestly each of these obscure albums Piano & A Microphone, Originals, will sell less and less than the next one, and no wonder why we get a flimsy packaged phsyical release.

While as selfish as it sounds, every fan wants big box set releases, if these releases continue not to sell than what would be the point from a financial view to spend all the . money on a box set release if less than 2,000 people are buying it.

The irony of these releases after his death is, just as much is being released as if he were alive... The only difference is the quality control because obviously Prince is no longer alive to dictate that.

To have 4 releases of NC2U is just ridiculous.

They are sitting on all this Purple Rain rehearsal footage, yet not one of it was included in a PURPLE RAIN DELUXE, that just makes you think there. Ok optimistically thinking, maybe they are saving it for the upcoming Netflix doc, or rumoured Apple doc of the First Avenue show, or maybe they are just gonna continue to release a hodge podge of footage to a new song that has nothing to do with the era, don't know. What I do know is, Piano & A Microphone got rave reviews by critics, mixed reviews by fans, and it didn't even sell 40,000 copies in the U.S.

that is a worry of mine but.., prince always had a core of fans who even if they tore apart every release, they would still buy the next one. I'll buy whatever comes out if I have the 15 bucks or whatever extra but I'm not gonna break my neck searching for anything, i don't have time. no excuse for it today, i haven't checked i tunes but i will, i would prefer a hard copy.

feeluupp said:

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said: What is your prediction for the Billboard 200 Feeluup? Like I said, the Tidal exclusive deal killed potential sales, just like the deluxe edition not released at the same time. Poor packaging didn't help neither. It wouldn't be surprising if it doesn't make top 100! They did everything to in their power to make it a flop. They could have done a one hour documentary for tv, etc. [Edited 6/24/19 10:33am]

Guess we will see by the end of the week...

The point is not if he has social media or not, it's how they utlilize it. Bart doesn't understand the concept of social media for the 20 and under generation, as it is ever evolving.

To have facebook, instagram and twitter but not utilize it properly doesn't help sales, because at the end of the day you can have your face on times square, or on a billboard on a train station, or on a magazine, but the most effective way to market now is in the palm of your hand. It's called a smart phone and tbh the estate is just out of touch, if people like Omar have any say in anything with the estate, that should be proof enough how out of touch the estate really is.

We can discuss this about every release, but honestly each of these obscure albums Piano & A Microphone, Originals, will sell less and less than the next one, and no wonder why we get a flimsy packaged phsyical release.

While as selfish as it sounds, every fan wants big box set releases, if these releases continue not to sell than what would be the point from a financial view to spend all the . money on a box set release if less than 2,000 people are buying it.

feeluupp said:

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said: What is your prediction for the Billboard 200 Feeluup? Like I said, the Tidal exclusive deal killed potential sales, just like the deluxe edition not released at the same time. Poor packaging didn't help neither. It wouldn't be surprising if it doesn't make top 100! They did everything to in their power to make it a flop. They could have done a one hour documentary for tv, etc. [Edited 6/24/19 10:33am]

Guess we will see by the end of the week...

The point is not if he has social media or not, it's how they utlilize it. Bart doesn't understand the concept of social media for the 20 and under generation, as it is ever evolving.

[Snip - luv4u] If there is no autotune, chances are they won't get it, and will wonder why his voice does not sound like a computer. Furthermore, the chance to market Prince to a younger audience has been tried and failed. Prince used the trendy "Prize patrol Horn" in Art Official Cage, probably from assurances from Josh Warts or was it Josh Moron...that it would be a great sound effect...epic fail...Hit N Ruin Phase 1 was totally geared toward young people, and sold like 11,000 or so...

Had I been involved with any of this, I would have screamed from the top of the hills that things need to get moving. 90% of the fanbase willing to actually buy physical discs or downloads are 35 and older, and 75% of that 90% are easily 45 and older. Not exactly the autotune generation.

In many instances older fans shell out money for well thought out box sets that at least suggest value and more bang for the buck. Obviously for the less die hard, it would be nice to have a 2 disc best of the valut at some point, but the stooges who are in charge think cds hold 35 minutes...and probably had a heart attack when Originals ran over 60 minutes, since they want to release as llittle as possible, so they can release an album a year for the next 200 years after we are all dead. Oh well, that's my latest rant...

In terms about spending money on box sets, I believe I mis worded it wrong, I wasn't talking about the fans not spending money on buying box sets, I was indicating the estate wouldn't spend all the money with the high manufacturing cost for box sets, booklets, etc if all the previous physical releases are under performing.

It's one thing to always say how we are in the digital streaming age and phsyical sales are dead... But still selling less than 20,000 copies the first week, or barely pushing 45,000 copies for Piano & A Microphone, makes it a lot harder for the estate to shell out money for big box sets that would most likely cost more to produce than the actual sales of them, unless they will charge over $150 for it.

It's strange how forgetable these releases are becoming... I mean Piano & A Microphone literally died in it's 2nd week on the charts, by the 3rd week it was forgotten.

I fear same with Originals, these aren't going to be catalouge long term sellers.

feeluupp said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Yup, no sign of the album here: https://twitter.com/prince . Or here: https://www.instagram.com/prince/ . Or here: https://www.facebook.com/prince/ .

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Gotta love these famz who complain about lack of promo. Where were you lot when Prince was actively ignoring albums?

They have social media, but the estate doesn't know how to utilize it properly. They outdated. Truth.

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Go on then oh wise one, what should they be doing?

So that video you had to pay for to watch it on Apple? That one is now on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/w...nPX-uI7ivM

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BartVanHemelen said:

feeluupp said:

They have social media, but the estate doesn't know how to utilize it properly. They outdated. Truth.

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Go on then oh wise one, what should they be doing?

They should be doing what they are not doing.

BartVanHemelen said:

So that video you had to pay for to watch it on Apple? That one is now on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/w...nPX-uI7ivM

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Yes I made a thread about it, and it's a sticky

https://prince.org/msg/7/459889

As much as I enjoy the album, there is one thing that bothers me (and it already did after the release of "Piano & A Microphone 1983") and it has nothing to do with the music… - Where are the Princebonics?

We all know Prince began using them first in 1981 on the "Controversy"-Album ("Jack U Off", "Special thanks to God and U") replacing "you" by "U", later he expanded this vocabulary by replacing "to" by "2", "for" by "4" etc.

All of his posthumous releases contain songs from the post-Controversy era, so it should be "U`re My Love", "Baby, U`re A Trip", "Gigolos Get Lonely 2" etc.. The same goes for "Piano & A Microphone 1983": "A Case Of U", "Mary Don`t U Weep" etc.

I know it´s just a minor complaint and I´m probably in the minority here, but something about the absence of "U", "4" and "2" bugs me: It`s the lack of care and conscientiousness from the Estate that shows little respect towards Prince´s vision. Somehow it became a trademark for Prince and he used this spelling throughout his entire career (although it became a little too much in the later years with all the other stuff : "Eye" and "C" and "Ur" ).

But I remember how strange and yet fascinating it felt reading titles like "I Would Die 4 U", "Take Me With U", "When 2 R In Love", "2 Nigs United 4 West Compton"). It was new (at least to me), it was weird, it was fresh - and it was TYPICAL Prince.

And now with this new release we are in the middle of this era - but no Princebonics at all!

So either the Estate didn`t know or care or it was a deliberate decision, like "This type of spelling is outdated, it`s too complicated to decipher, it prevents the album from selling well...".

Whatever the reason, imo it shows lack of knowledge and respect and it shows once more that the ones who are responsible for these releases have no clue. It`s the little things that make the difference.

Gruntman said:

As much as I enjoy the album, there is one thing that bothers me (and it already did after the release of "Piano & A Microphone 1983") and it has nothing to do with the music… - Where are the Princebonics?

We all know Prince began using them first in 1981 on the "Controversy"-Album ("Jack U Off", "Special thanks to God and U") replacing "you" by "U", later he expanded this vocabulary by replacing "to" by "2", "for" by "4" etc.

All of his posthumous releases contain songs from the post-Controversy era, so it should be "U`re My Love", "Baby, U`re A Trip", "Gigolos Get Lonely 2" etc.. The same goes for "Piano & A Microphone 1983": "A Case Of U", "Mary Don`t U Weep" etc.

I know it´s just a minor complaint and I´m probably in the minority here, but something about the absence of "U", "4" and "2" bugs me: It`s the lack of care and conscientiousness from the Estate that shows little respect towards Prince´s vision. Somehow it became a trademark for Prince and he used this spelling throughout his entire career (although it became a little too much in the later years with all the other stuff : "Eye" and "C" and "Ur" ).

But I remember how strange and yet fascinating it felt reading titles like "I Would Die 4 U", "Take Me With U", "When 2 R In Love", "2 Nigs United 4 West Compton"). It was new (at least to me), it was weird, it was fresh - and it was TYPICAL Prince.

And now with this new release we are in the middle of this era - but no Princebonics at all!

So either the Estate didn`t know or care or it was a deliberate decision, like "This type of spelling is outdated, it`s too complicated to decipher, it prevents the album from selling well...".

Whatever the reason, imo it shows lack of knowledge and respect and it shows once more that the ones who are responsible for these releases have no clue. It`s the little things that make the difference.

Not using U, 4 & 2 "shows little respect".

Eye, C & Ur is "a little too much".

Now we know exactly how much princebonics is just right.

Gruntman said:

feeluupp said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Go on then oh wise one, what should they be doing?

They should be doing what they are not doing.

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Thanks for confirming that you have no clue.

feeluupp said:

BartVanHemelen said:

feeluupp said:

They should be doing what they are not doing.

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Thanks for confirming that you have no clue.

With 119k followers on instagram, I deff have a clue on how social media works.

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

It's strange how forgetable these releases are becoming... I mean Piano & A Microphone literally died in it's 2nd week on the charts, by the 3rd week it was forgotten.

I fear same with Originals, these aren't going to be catalouge long term sellers.

Piano charted only one week in the UK top 100!

Piano was a terrible seller. I believe it sold worse than the HitnRun albums.

feeluupp said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Thanks for confirming that you have no clue.

With 119k followers on instagram, I deff have a clue on how social media works.

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No.

If youy know how it works, then why not 1.19M followers?

Because you are a bit laid back?

Taking it easy?

Like the Estate?

feeluupp said:

Rolling Stone article on Originals: https://www.rollingstone....ew-842940/

does anyone sell well today?

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

Piano was a terrible seller. I believe it sold worse than the HitnRun albums.

But the problem, and you know I said that a lot of time, even before his death, is that in the last two decades, Prince already sold poorly. . Sure, sometimes he could trigger decent sales in the US when he did a LOT of promotion ( Musicology, 3121, Lotus Flower, Emancipation). But outside the US in the biggest markets (Japan, France, UK,Canada, Germany) he had hard time to pull more than 50.000 sales each. . David Bowie,Bob Dylan, whose albums were aimed to an adult audience (whereas Prince always tried to attract a young Audience) released many albums in the last two decades too and they could easily sell 100.000 in each of those biggest markets, and two millions worldwide. . So it has always been a problem, and will always be. Unless the estate succeed in making Prince hype again, like Queen for instance with the movie Bohemian Rhapsody. . Prince estate should have always associated each posthumous release with great remasterised video material : music videos, live performances, documentaries, etc. in HD quality. . [Edited 6/24/19 22:01pm]

PeteSilas said:

does anyone sell well today?

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said: But the problem, and you know I said that a lot of time, even before his death, is that in the last two decades, Prince already sold poorly. . Sure, sometimes he could trigger decent sales in the US when he did a LOT of promotion ( Musicology, 3121, Lotus Flower, Emancipation). But outside the US in the biggest markets (Japan, France, UK,Canada, Germany) he had hard time to pull more than 50.000 sales each. . David Bowie,Bob Dylan, whose albums were aimed to an adult audience (whereas Prince always tried to attract a young Audience) released many albums in the last two decades too and they could easily sell 100.000 in each of those biggest markets, and two millions worldwide. . So it has always been a problem, and will always be. Unless the estate succeed in making Prince hype again, like Queen for instance with the movie Bohemian Rhapsody. . Prince estate should have always associated each posthumous release with great remasterised video material : music videos, live performances, documentaries, etc. in HD quality. . [Edited 6/24/19 22:01pm]

U2 and Coldplay for instance still sell in the millions.
Much less then before streaming but still they sell millions of CD's/LP's when they release something new.

feeluupp said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Thanks for confirming that you have no clue.

With 119k followers on instagram, I deff have a clue on how social media works.

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And yet you fail to list anything the estate could be doing.

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Oh and BTW: https://www.eater.com/201...e-food-nyc

PeteSilas said:

does anyone sell well today?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/...iscography

Gruntman said:

As much as I enjoy the album, there is one thing that bothers me (and it already did after the release of "Piano & A Microphone 1983") and it has nothing to do with the music… - Where are the Princebonics?

We all know Prince began using them first in 1981 on the "Controversy"-Album ("Jack U Off", "Special thanks to God and U") replacing "you" by "U", later he expanded this vocabulary by replacing "to" by "2", "for" by "4" etc.

All of his posthumous releases contain songs from the post-Controversy era, so it should be "U`re My Love", "Baby, U`re A Trip", "Gigolos Get Lonely 2" etc.. The same goes for "Piano & A Microphone 1983": "A Case Of U", "Mary Don`t U Weep" etc.

I know it´s just a minor complaint and I´m probably in the minority here, but something about the absence of "U", "4" and "2" bugs me: It`s the lack of care and conscientiousness from the Estate that shows little respect towards Prince´s vision. Somehow it became a trademark for Prince and he used this spelling throughout his entire career (although it became a little too much in the later years with all the other stuff : "Eye" and "C" and "Ur" ).

But I remember how strange and yet fascinating it felt reading titles like "I Would Die 4 U", "Take Me With U", "When 2 R In Love", "2 Nigs United 4 West Compton"). It was new (at least to me), it was weird, it was fresh - and it was TYPICAL Prince.

And now with this new release we are in the middle of this era - but no Princebonics at all!

So either the Estate didn`t know or care or it was a deliberate decision, like "This type of spelling is outdated, it`s too complicated to decipher, it prevents the album from selling well...".

Whatever the reason, imo it shows lack of knowledge and respect and it shows once more that the ones who are responsible for these releases have no clue. It`s the little things that make the difference.

I think "lack of respect" eminates more from fans seemingly ignoring that Prince already released and approved of release for every single one of the aforementioned Originals songs under the same titles they appear as in the compilation. They all came out well over 30 years ago with Prince completely aware of each title they were released as.

WhisperingDandelions said:

Gruntman said:

As much as I enjoy the album, there is one thing that bothers me (and it already did after the release of "Piano & A Microphone 1983") and it has nothing to do with the music… - Where are the Princebonics?

We all know Prince began using them first in 1981 on the "Controversy"-Album ("Jack U Off", "Special thanks to God and U") replacing "you" by "U", later he expanded this vocabulary by replacing "to" by "2", "for" by "4" etc.

All of his posthumous releases contain songs from the post-Controversy era, so it should be "U`re My Love", "Baby, U`re A Trip", "Gigolos Get Lonely 2" etc.. The same goes for "Piano & A Microphone 1983": "A Case Of U", "Mary Don`t U Weep" etc.

I know it´s just a minor complaint and I´m probably in the minority here, but something about the absence of "U", "4" and "2" bugs me: It`s the lack of care and conscientiousness from the Estate that shows little respect towards Prince´s vision. Somehow it became a trademark for Prince and he used this spelling throughout his entire career (although it became a little too much in the later years with all the other stuff : "Eye" and "C" and "Ur" ).

But I remember how strange and yet fascinating it felt reading titles like "I Would Die 4 U", "Take Me With U", "When 2 R In Love", "2 Nigs United 4 West Compton"). It was new (at least to me), it was weird, it was fresh - and it was TYPICAL Prince.

And now with this new release we are in the middle of this era - but no Princebonics at all!

So either the Estate didn`t know or care or it was a deliberate decision, like "This type of spelling is outdated, it`s too complicated to decipher, it prevents the album from selling well...".

Whatever the reason, imo it shows lack of knowledge and respect and it shows once more that the ones who are responsible for these releases have no clue. It`s the little things that make the difference.

I think "lack of respect" eminates more from fans seemingly ignoring that Prince already released and approved of release for every single one of the aforementioned Originals songs under the same titles they appear as in the compilation. They all came out well over 30 years ago with Prince completely aware of each title they were released as.

Yes, and I suspect that it was in parts to dissimulate his role as a songwriter (NC2U had the bonics but was credited to him). U're My Love by Joey Coco or Baby U're A Trip by Jill Jones wouldn't have helped much with the cover story ^^ Strangely enough, Wouldn't You Love To Love Me? was credited to Prince, though, and yet wasn't Wouldn't U Love 2 Love Me?, but it's possible the idea of using the bonics in the context of that album sounded silly to either Prince or Taja.

JorisE73 said:

PeteSilas said:

does anyone sell well today?

U2 and Coldplay for instance still sell in the millions.
Much less then before streaming but still they sell millions of CD's/LP's when they release something new.

I know in the states only 1 or 2 albums a year sell one million, and during the last three years that has generally been soundtracks (The Greatest Showman and A Star is born). The only way any artist gets decent numbers here is to give concert ticket buyers an option to download their newly released album, and I think there is no extra cost for this. This really helped Pink last year and Madonna get to #1 last week.

Apparently there are other countries where streaming has eaten up the CD/download market as much, but it still is eroding everywhere.

BartVanHemelen said: