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Reply #900 posted 06/28/19 11:43am

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AvocadosMax said:

Lol they should bring back ‘Purple Pick of The Week’ or at least once every month or so. Whether it’s an unheard of song or unreleased live recording or rehearsal, put out one track at least once a month Just to help the hardcore fans hold weakness until the next release

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Reply #901 posted 06/28/19 1:03pm

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getxxxx said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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can you not read.... I said what I said... AT THE SAME TIME!!!!

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Try reading what I posted. Note the dates. Note how ATWIAD was finished IN DECEMBER 1984. Which according to my calendar is BEFORE 1985.

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Reply #902 posted 06/28/19 1:11pm

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Reply #903 posted 06/28/19 3:09pm

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BartVanHemelen said:

getxxxx said:

can you not read.... I said what I said... AT THE SAME TIME!!!!

[Edited 6/28/19 6:20am]

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Try reading what I posted. Note the dates. Note how ATWIAD was finished IN DECEMBER 1984. Which according to my calendar is BEFORE 1985.

I don't need to read what you posted. it's what is listed in the ORIGINALS cd JAN 85 they where in ATL top of the year on TOUR.

SO I SAID WHAT I SAID.

Which you clearly dont understand he could do more than one project at a time...

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Reply #904 posted 06/28/19 5:55pm

mnfriend

Well, I am very disappointed. Had my first listen,
‘Sex Shooter’ does not grab me at all. If you are not pulled in right away, you don’t take the ride. The Vanity version that starts with 1 sound getting louder with Prince guitar riffs here and there.... heck free on utube Vanity best version is better than how this sounds on Spotify.

‘Glamorous Life’ glorious Jazz mayhem already have, again not pulled in,
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‘Jungle Love’ which I thought for old times sake I am easy, but, you know what? The original recorded track/s are better.

Sorry. My review.
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Reply #905 posted 06/29/19 12:44am

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mnfriend said:

Well, I am very disappointed. Had my first listen, ‘Sex Shooter’ does not grab me at all. If you are not pulled in right away, you don’t take the ride. The Vanity version that starts with 1 sound getting louder with Prince guitar riffs here and there.... heck free on utube Vanity best version is better than how this sounds on Spotify. ‘Glamorous Life’ glorious Jazz mayhem already have, again not pulled in, and, ‘Jungle Love’ which I thought for old times sake I am easy, but, you know what? The original recorded track/s are better. Sorry. My review.

aren't you the guy who said you was glad he died so you could hear stuff out of the vault? i ain't listening to you.

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Reply #906 posted 06/29/19 6:47am

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mnfriend said:

Well, I am very disappointed. Had my first listen, ‘Sex Shooter’ does not grab me at all. If you are not pulled in right away, you don’t take the ride. The Vanity version that starts with 1 sound getting louder with Prince guitar riffs here and there.... heck free on utube Vanity best version is better than how this sounds on Spotify. ‘Glamorous Life’ glorious Jazz mayhem already have, again not pulled in, and, ‘Jungle Love’ which I thought for old times sake I am easy, but, you know what? The original recorded track/s are better. Sorry. My review.

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I am very disappointed, you got a mispressing or something because my CD has more tracks than you mentioned.

Please get a good CD and please try again not to mention the flaws menioned by others.

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Reply #907 posted 06/29/19 12:33pm

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mnfriend said:

Well, I am very disappointed. Had my first listen, ‘Sex Shooter’ does not grab me at all. If you are not pulled in right away, you don’t take the ride. The Vanity version that starts with 1 sound getting louder with Prince guitar riffs here and there.... heck free on utube Vanity best version is better than how this sounds on Spotify. ‘Glamorous Life’ glorious Jazz mayhem already have, again not pulled in, and, ‘Jungle Love’ which I thought for old times sake I am easy, but, you know what? The original recorded track/s are better. Sorry. My review.

the mfers wont release the best stuff ....they think theyve got a marketing plan

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Reply #908 posted 06/29/19 1:28pm

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Wouldn't you love to love me ..infio please??

when was this recorded?

why didin't P release this? this is a classic!!!!

interesting with the MJ connection..no thanks sir but take this song i made..

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Reply #909 posted 06/29/19 7:52pm

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Wouldn't you love to love me ..infio please??

when was this recorded?

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I think you need to change the nick: http://princevault.com/in...Love_Me%3F

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Reply #910 posted 06/29/19 8:50pm

EnDoRpHn

udo said:

purplewisdom said:

Wouldn't you love to love me ..infio please??

when was this recorded?

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I think you need to change the nick: http://princevault.com/in...Love_Me%3F

It would have taken fewer characters and less effort to just post the link.

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Reply #911 posted 06/29/19 10:19pm

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mnfriend said:

Well, I am very disappointed. Had my first listen, ‘Sex Shooter’ does not grab me at all. If you are not pulled in right away, you don’t take the ride.

That is a rather strange way of listening to music lol I can't imagine judging an entire collection based on one listen of the first track only

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Reply #912 posted 06/30/19 3:19am

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There's a new interview with Michael Howe published @ https://www.heraldsun.com...893ef8083f (also reprinted here: https://thewest.com.au/en...893ef8083f ). However, both of those links are behind paywalls and are available only to subscribers.

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Would be nice if anybody could provide us with the text of that article.

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Reply #913 posted 06/30/19 5:14am

udo

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EnDoRpHn said:

udo said:

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I think you need to change the nick: http://princevault.com/in...Love_Me%3F

It would have taken fewer characters and less effort to just post the link.

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In such case it would have been perceived as more blunt by the Bart-like-critics.

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Also, this millennial-like way of communicating is more for younger age groups.

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Reply #914 posted 06/30/19 9:35am

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BartVanHemelen said:

There's a new interview with Michael Howe published @ https://www.heraldsun.com...893ef8083f (also reprinted here: https://thewest.com.au/en...893ef8083f ). However, both of those links are behind paywalls and are available only to subscribers.

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Would be nice if anybody could provide us with the text of that article.

click here:

https://twitter.com/ArethaEttaJames/status/1145287018143977474

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Reply #915 posted 06/30/19 9:54am

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yello1 said:

BartVanHemelen said:

There's a new interview with Michael Howe published @ https://www.heraldsun.com...893ef8083f (also reprinted here: https://thewest.com.au/en...893ef8083f ). However, both of those links are behind paywalls and are available only to subscribers.

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Would be nice if anybody could provide us with the text of that article.

click here:

https://twitter.com/ArethaEttaJames/status/1145287018143977474

Thx hug

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Reply #916 posted 06/30/19 10:13am

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yello1 said:

click here:

https://twitter.com/ArethaEttaJames/status/1145287018143977474

Thx hug

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Reply #917 posted 06/30/19 10:21am

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yello1 said:

BartVanHemelen said:

There's a new interview with Michael Howe published @ https://www.heraldsun.com...893ef8083f (also reprinted here: https://thewest.com.au/en...893ef8083f ). However, both of those links are behind paywalls and are available only to subscribers.

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Would be nice if anybody could provide us with the text of that article.

click here:

https://twitter.com/ArethaEttaJames/status/1145287018143977474

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Thanks. Odd, that seems to de the same link I posted, yet this one does work.

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Reply #918 posted 06/30/19 11:08am

yello1

BartVanHemelen said:

yello1 said:

click here:

https://twitter.com/ArethaEttaJames/status/1145287018143977474

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Thanks. Odd, that seems to de the same link I posted, yet this one does work.

thumbs up!

...Aretha paid... biggrin

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Reply #919 posted 06/30/19 2:27pm

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So from reading this interview it looks like they're sticking with the one release per year schedule. So the earlier rumours about 1999 Deluxe at Christmas seem to have been false. The wait between Piano & A Microphone and Originals felt painfully long and it looks like there'll be an equally long wait until the next one. cry

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Reply #920 posted 06/30/19 2:31pm

massing

Then again, this sounded hopeful:

All I can say is that the ability to release vastly expanded bodies of work in a much more comprehensive way than Purple Rain is being contemplated certainly.

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Reply #921 posted 07/01/19 9:49am

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massing said:

So from reading this interview it looks like they're sticking with the one release per year schedule. So the earlier rumours about 1999 Deluxe at Christmas seem to have been false. The wait between Piano & A Microphone and Originals felt painfully long and it looks like there'll be an equally long wait until the next one. cry


The time between P&M and Originals was less than 9 months, not quite "painfully long"! lol eek

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Reply #922 posted 07/01/19 10:18am

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massing said:

So from reading this interview it looks like they're sticking with the one release per year schedule. So the earlier rumours about 1999 Deluxe at Christmas seem to have been false. The wait between Piano & A Microphone and Originals felt painfully long and it looks like there'll be an equally long wait until the next one. cry


The time between P&M and Originals was less than 9 months, not quite "painfully long"! lol eek

It felt painfully long to me! biggrin

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Reply #923 posted 07/01/19 11:41am

jfenster

this release makes me think Prince may be still alive.....its not his best work and half of it i could do without...which is what he was releasing when alive

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Reply #924 posted 07/01/19 12:12pm

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this release makes me lack any cognative skills to think Prince may be still alive.....its not his best work and half of it i could do without...which is what he was releasing when alive


There, fixed it. lol

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Reply #925 posted 07/01/19 12:14pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

jfenster said:

this release makes me lack any cognative skills to think Prince may be still alive.....its not his best work and half of it i could do without...which is what he was releasing when alive


There, fixed it. lol

just making a point ...JO

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Reply #926 posted 07/01/19 10:09pm

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Se7en said:

massing said:

So from reading this interview it looks like they're sticking with the one release per year schedule. So the earlier rumours about 1999 Deluxe at Christmas seem to have been false. The wait between Piano & A Microphone and Originals felt painfully long and it looks like there'll be an equally long wait until the next one. cry


The time between P&M and Originals was less than 9 months, not quite "painfully long"! lol eek

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Sorry, but P&M is far too flimsy. Especially considering that it was basically an official release of something that was widely bootlegged decades ago.

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Reply #927 posted 07/01/19 10:59pm

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BartVanHemelen said:

Se7en said:


The time between P&M and Originals was less than 9 months, not quite "painfully long"! lol eek

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Sorry, but P&M is far too flimsy. Especially considering that it was basically an official release of something that was widely bootlegged decades ago.

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But they did it in style: a digipack versus a jewel case for the bootleg(s). lol

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Reply #928 posted 07/01/19 11:02pm

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Even worse:

Bol.com lists a digipak for P&M (Soort verpakking Digipack) but omits this detail for Originals.

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Reply #929 posted 07/02/19 2:09am

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Now let's get this thread back to proper discussion about the album and none of this Bart pedantry bullshit. I posted my own thread because it looked like this thread was going nowhere but as the mods have locked it will repost here. Please only respond if you have actually read my words and have something useful to add/comment on. I particularly want to hear if any sound experts here agree on some of my points esp. with regards to dating of WYLTLM and the later addition of echoey effects on his vocals throughout the album.

ODD 'ORIGINALS' CHOICES ON ORIGINALS?! Liner notes dating correct?! Thoughts...

I can't help noticing that many of the so called 'originals' were not the original versions at all and often not the best versions either (just like in the PR Deluxe they used an inferior version of The Dance Electric)

Sex Shooter for example - this was very close sounding to the 1984 released version and not the 1982 original version he originally did for Vanity which sounds quite different. (I already posted a link to this earlier version with Brenda and Susan on backing a while back, here it is:(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPqOfMVEA-A). I also felt his vocals were not loud enough in the mix. I was half expecting him to sing this in a more deep, slow, sensual voice, would have fit better but that's by the by!

100MPH - don't believe this is the best version I've heard.

Holly Rock - Very cool but why oh why did they leave the saxophone off this version? This is what made the song! What's odd is they (thankfully) kept the saxophone on Dear Michaelangelo and The Glamorous Life, so why not use it here? Could it be they are not using his most completed version of the song? Or just cobbled it together somehow? Seems rather inconsistent to me, especially as they were presumably recorded around the same time?

Baby You're A Trip - was delighted on first listen they used Prince's original vocals but was shocked to hear the addition of Jill's backing vocals rather than Prince's which were much more passionate and far superior IMO! Much as i liked her later 1987 version too, her vocals do not really fit here, they sound too nonchalent and lack passion which seems an odd counter balance to Prince' extremely passionate performance. As this is to me one of his best vocals EVER this detracts from it, is a disappointment to me. Maybe i'll get used to it later but it rankles knowing there is a better 'original' out there and they didn't use it. They didn't use Sheila's vocals on the songs he gave to her, so why use Jill's unless she wrote to them insisting on it?!

Love Thy Will Be Done - this sounds to me pretty much identical to the bootlegged version, as if it has been sourced from the bootleg rather than the master? They did this in PR Deluxe with some songs (Velvet Kitty Kat), here too? Considering it was from 1991 I thought the sound would be better.

Wouldn't You Love To Love Me - not sure if i'm right here but it sounds to me like this version was taken from the Rebels sessions in 79/80 rather than from 1981 as listed in the liner notes. Could it just be its listed as '81 as he reworked it or added something on top of the basic tracks then? Even the vocal style in parts is similar to what he was doing in 1979 on It's Gonna Be Lonely, it has the raw funk and style that would fit what would come out of those sessions.

I also am aware there are earlier 'original' versions of this song too, but have to say in this case i'm glad they used this version as it rocks and is very catchy!

Nothing Compares 2 U - Again not the best version IMO, differs slightly from what was released last year it seems.


I also noticed that the vocals of these songs seem to have been given the addition of a slight echoey effect which I don't recall in the original bootlegged versions. It seems to be throughout the album, perhaps they added this to make it seem more 'album like' or more consistent? If so, i'd rather they hadn't and had just left them as he intended.

Apart from this they chose well with most of the other songs. Anyhow there's my 2 cents but think it would help in they would be more exhaustive in finding the 'best' or pure original versions of a particular song out there rather than what seems to come to hand easily as it seems sometimes!

Although this in interesting, I feel that these really were demo guide vocals and he would never have intended them for release. I think it would be better for the estate now to focus on releasing the fully completed versions of the hundreds of songs in the vault that require no tinkering to the content (aside from a remaster).

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