BlueShakooo said:

I like the Cinematic Remix. As long as they don't do to his recordings what was done to Michael's, I'm fine.

You mean the apparently fake songs with fake vocals?

BlueShakooo said:

I like the Cinematic Remix. As long as they don't do to his recordings what was done to Michael's, I'm fine.

I'm not sure I like this at all.

I suppose this is what people are calling a 'frankenstein remix'.

I find this isn't different enough to make me want to listen to it over and over.

The a capella at the start isn't a good idea because the diction and grammar isn't good enough. After all, Prince never intended his vocal to be made so bear!

I feel someone had the thought, ''let's copy Whitney''.

If Prince had intended this, I'm sure he would have sang, ''it's been'' and not, ''it's bin''. Also ''it's'' sounds really odd, like it has been mispronounced or oddly cut off by the remix engineer.

mano said:

This album is making me wanan go listen to Shiela E's albums again.

Would've been a brilliant marketing strategy to have all these associates remastered at the same time!

databank said:

TheSilentMikey said:

Well it looks like the video for “Manic Monday” is exactly what you expected.

You mean the original Bangles vid??

Nope, the video for the “Originals” version of “Manic Monday” that just got released on Apple Music today.

The strings on the "cinematic remix" are just the Clare Fischer stuff turned up to eleven? There's nothing actually added? So it's about as legit as the other version, I think I actually prefer it.

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jaawwnn said:

The strings on the "cinematic remix" are just the Clare Fischer stuff turned up to eleven? There's nothing actually added? So it's about as legit as the other version, I think I actually prefer it.

[Edited 6/21/19 9:11am]

It's called "Cinematic Mix," not remix. The distinction should matter in terms of what's been done to the song.

TheSilentMikey said:

databank said:

You mean the original Bangles vid??

Nope, the video for the “Originals” version of “Manic Monday” that just got released on Apple Music today.

Is that on YT as well?

databank said:

TheSilentMikey said:

Nope, the video for the “Originals” version of “Manic Monday” that just got released on Apple Music today.

Is that on YT as well?

https://music.apple.com/u...1469316613

Made a thread about it

feeluupp said:

databank said:

Is that on YT as well?

https://music.apple.com/u...1469316613

Made a thread about it

The preview button doesn't work for me, but it seems to be from the same (or another) rehearsal footage.

If it's as gross as NC2U was, poorly synched since from another song and turning Prince into a ridiculous dancing clown, that's a indeed a new low.

In a way that infuriates me even more than the probable tinkering of the recordings, that's basically pissing on P's urn. But I'll wait until it's on Yt and I can see it to decide how I feel about it.

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The worst part is, I understand the need for a promo video for marketing video. But it could have been a fun lyrics video, an animated, anything. But now, that would have required a budget, so why bother when you can just poorly edit a cheap VHS rehearsal video...

mano said:

I've wanted to hear official versions of these for years! Now that we actually have them I feel ashamed to listen to them. Lol

Prince's version of Jungle Love is almost indistinguishable from Morris' version!! Gosh all Morris had to do was follow the guide vocal and get paid.

Don't forget that if Jesse Johnson did not come up with the demo, the song never would have existed.

djThunderfunk said:

I was at Target at 9:15 (they open at 8) and they didn't have it out yet. Had to wait for them to bring it from the back for me. Oh well, at least I got my pick from all they had.

God, that is so much like me. When I go to Target tonight, I will look through each one, and find the one that is "mine."

stillwaiting said:

djThunderfunk said:

I was at Target at 9:15 (they open at 8) and they didn't have it out yet. Had to wait for them to bring it from the back for me. Oh well, at least I got my pick from all they had.

God, that is so much like me. When I go to Target tonight, I will look through each one, and find the one that is "mine."

databank said:

udo said:

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Thanks, but WTF?

The set also includes Prince’s studio draft of “Nothing Compares 2 U”, initially released by The Time and subsequently a 1990 number one hit for Sinead O’Connor.

It was in the alternate timeline created by Tony and Steve when they traveled back to 1970 to get the tesseract and the Pym particles. In that timeline, strangely (it's hard to see how this influenced that), Jesse accepted Prince's offer to replace Morris as the Time's lead singer and some of the songs that Prince wrote for The Family in our timeline were, then, written for The Time, so it's Jesse on vocals, and wait until you hear Jesse singing "Hey Morris, did you pay?" on Mutiny, the first single from The Time's 4th album titled..., well, Mutiny.

Sad shit is Pandemonium never happened in that timeline, and Jerk Out is still unreleased to that day, with only the Mazarati version circulating in poor quality. Another weird shit is that, in that timeline, because there never was The Family, Prince never got to work with Eric Leeds/Atlanta Bliss and had Eddie M. being the lead sax player on his records from 1985 to 1988. So you got Eddie playing horns on Parade and SOTT and Lovesexy and it sounds weird as fuck when you know the Eric/Atlanta versions!!

And Paul never released any of his solo albums either, but still was successful as a session musician.

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[Edited 6/21/19 7:25am]

Is this kind of how I stopped Jam & Lewis from becoming 2 friends stuck in the snow? And then insteaad of releasing an album every single year, Prince makes Jam & Lewis Co-Presidents of Paisley Park, and Prince makes SOTT with Kiss thrown in as the follow up to Purple Rain, so instead of flooding the market, we get huge blockbuster albums from Prince, and the new Paisley Park artist, Janet Jackson? And The Time never break up and we get new albums from them every 3 or so years, and Prince looks like a genius instead of an on again off again one? Oh well, it is nice to dream.

billymeade said:

mano said:

This album is making me wanan go listen to Shiela E's albums again.

Would've been a brilliant marketing strategy to have all these associates remastered at the same time!

stillwaiting said:

databank said:

It was in the alternate timeline created by Tony and Steve when they traveled back to 1970 to get the tesseract and the Pym particles. In that timeline, strangely (it's hard to see how this influenced that), Jesse accepted Prince's offer to replace Morris as the Time's lead singer and some of the songs that Prince wrote for The Family in our timeline were, then, written for The Time, so it's Jesse on vocals, and wait until you hear Jesse singing "Hey Morris, did you pay?" on Mutiny, the first single from The Time's 4th album titled..., well, Mutiny.

Sad shit is Pandemonium never happened in that timeline, and Jerk Out is still unreleased to that day, with only the Mazarati version circulating in poor quality. Another weird shit is that, in that timeline, because there never was The Family, Prince never got to work with Eric Leeds/Atlanta Bliss and had Eddie M. being the lead sax player on his records from 1985 to 1988. So you got Eddie playing horns on Parade and SOTT and Lovesexy and it sounds weird as fuck when you know the Eric/Atlanta versions!!

And Paul never released any of his solo albums either, but still was successful as a session musician.

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[Edited 6/21/19 7:25am]

Is this kind of how I stopped Jam & Lewis from becoming 2 friends stuck in the snow? And then insteaad of releasing an album every single year, Prince makes Jam & Lewis Co-Presidents of Paisley Park, and Prince makes SOTT with Kiss thrown in as the follow up to Purple Rain, so instead of flooding the market, we get huge blockbuster albums from Prince, and the new Paisley Park artist, Janet Jackson? And The Time never break up and we get new albums from them every 3 or so years, and Prince looks like a genius instead of an on again off again one? Oh well, it is nice to dream.

Not my definition of an artistic genius. At all. But have it your way, we're cool, it's only fantasy thanks to the Avengers

billymeade said:

mano said:

This album is making me wanan go listen to Shiela E's albums again.

Would've been a brilliant marketing strategy to have all these associates remastered at the same time!

Remastered IDK but available at least. Like I wrote in Associated artists:

"(..) it's a little odd that WB, who -as far as we know- still own the masters to A6 and V6, and probably also The Family, Mazarati and Taja Sevelle (maybe even Jill Jones), didn't take the opportunity to finally upload those albums on all streaming platforms in hope that Originals would sort of promote them inderectly. Either those records are entangled in legal issues that we're not aware of (but I don't see why that would be the case since WB had no problems keeping the Time and Sheila catalogues available for all those years), or they're a very low priority for WB

Another missed opportunity I guess...

"

databank said:

feeluupp said:

https://music.apple.com/u...1469316613

Made a thread about it

The preview button doesn't work for me, but it seems to be from the same (or another) rehearsal footage.

If it's as gross as NC2U was, poorly synched since from another song and turning Prince into a ridiculous dancing clown, that's a indeed a new low.

In a way that infuriates me even more than the probable tinkering of the recordings, that's basically pissing on P's urn. But I'll wait until it's on Yt and I can see it to decide how I feel about it.

[Edited 6/21/19 10:00am]

It's just like the NC2U vid, random rehearsal footage of Prince dancing and singing to something else. Would be interesting if they released this footage with original audio. But putting it to a completely unrelated song is just weird.

TheEnglishGent said:

databank said:

The preview button doesn't work for me, but it seems to be from the same (or another) rehearsal footage.

If it's as gross as NC2U was, poorly synched since from another song and turning Prince into a ridiculous dancing clown, that's a indeed a new low.

In a way that infuriates me even more than the probable tinkering of the recordings, that's basically pissing on P's urn. But I'll wait until it's on Yt and I can see it to decide how I feel about it.

[Edited 6/21/19 10:00am]

It's just like the NC2U vid, random rehearsal footage of Prince dancing and singing to something else. Would be interesting if they released this footage with original audio. But putting it to a completely unrelated song is just weird.

Not just weird. Gross.

databank said:

billymeade said:

Would've been a brilliant marketing strategy to have all these associates remastered at the same time!

Remastered IDK but available at least. Like I wrote in Associated artists:

"(..) it's a little odd that WB, who -as far as we know- still own the masters to A6 and V6, and probably also The Family, Mazarati and Taja Sevelle (maybe even Jill Jones), didn't take the opportunity to finally upload those albums on all streaming platforms in hope that Originals would sort of promote them inderectly. Either those records are entangled in legal issues that we're not aware of (but I don't see why that would be the case since WB had no problems keeping the Time and Sheila catalogues available for all those years), or they're a very low priority for WB

Another missed opportunity I guess...

"

The Time's first 4 albums are remastered, and available through CD Japan, but they could be all out of print since I am too lazy to check. Those 4 should be in a box set taking them down to 3 discs with whatever bonus tracks could be thrown in. First 3 Sheila E Albums could be 2 discs, Vanity/Apollonia/Family/Mazarati could be a release, but the demand is just not there, but it would be nice. And just to note, the first 2 Morris Day solo releases are also remastered and available at CD Japan. I have them all, and the sound is OK, but nothing too special. I need to compare them to the originals again, as my memory is fading...

databank said:

mediumdry said:

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Anything that gets Prince's vocals on a mix closer to what was on the Family album is a good thing, as much as it is messing with things. To me, the version they have released was messing with the track. I hope they'll improve on that.

Well IDK, should they attempt to recreate the unreleased Family version (as they did on #1) or the final version (as they apparently did on #2)? Makes no difference to me, really.

However this brings me to wonder. If, as assumed so far, they only had a cassette mixdown of P's version then how could they possibly have the first verse with only Prince's vocals and the orchestra on the Cinematic Mix? I don't think there's any technology that allows them to isolate the vocals from everything else yet get a clean result, which could mean that either they do have a multitrack and used it there, or that the version on Originals is, in fact, not exactly the same as the one released last year (cassette last year, multitrack here), or that it was never a cassette in the first place.

Kares and Olb99, when you hear the Cinematic version I'd really like to have your take on this.

[Edited 6/20/19 23:20pm]

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IANASE (I am not a sound engineer) but to me the beginning of the Cinematic Mix sounds like they used the vocal track from a 35-year old multitrack recording, not like the result of isolating the vocals from a stereo recording. I could be wrong, though, as I haven't been closely following technologies that isolate/separate instruments/vocals these last few years. They probably got better. But that good? I would be very surprised.

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So, yeah, it looks like they do have a multitrack recording of that song with Prince's vocals on it. Weird...

NC2U Cinematic Mix - strange name, but I do like it, maybe better than the drums/guitar version we've had for a couple years, which sounds a bit like an early version of Diamonds & Pearls to me. I'm not complaining about having it as a bonus track. Would sure be nice to have fuller descriptions of where these were sourced, as mentioned ad nauseum here. But, this is what we're getting, and I think the song selections were decent.

stillwaiting said:

databank said:

Remastered IDK but available at least. Like I wrote in Associated artists:

"(..) it's a little odd that WB, who -as far as we know- still own the masters to A6 and V6, and probably also The Family, Mazarati and Taja Sevelle (maybe even Jill Jones), didn't take the opportunity to finally upload those albums on all streaming platforms in hope that Originals would sort of promote them inderectly. Either those records are entangled in legal issues that we're not aware of (but I don't see why that would be the case since WB had no problems keeping the Time and Sheila catalogues available for all those years), or they're a very low priority for WB

Another missed opportunity I guess...

"

The Time's first 4 albums are remastered, and available through CD Japan, but they could be all out of print since I am too lazy to check. Those 4 should be in a box set taking them down to 3 discs with whatever bonus tracks could be thrown in. First 3 Sheila E Albums could be 2 discs, Vanity/Apollonia/Family/Mazarati could be a release, but the demand is just not there, but it would be nice. And just to note, the first 2 Morris Day solo releases are also remastered and available at CD Japan. I have them all, and the sound is OK, but nothing too special. I need to compare them to the originals again, as my memory is fading...

Well the demand has to be there more than for Martika, Wendy & Lisa, André Cymone, Apollonia solo album and hundreds of obscure, non-Prince related albums that got a rerelease and/or remaster those last few years. It has to be there more than those obscure J.R. Funk And The Love Machine, Planet Patrol albums and a couple others that I bought on CD with bonus tracks in the late 90's even though no one remembered the MFs.

It's got nothing to do with the demand. The demand is there alright. It has to do with a major label that's been in existence for 61 years and has absorbed many other labels on the way having to manage a catalogue of dozens of thousands of titles and being unable to manage it all.

I illegally downloaded dozens of 70's and 80's funk, jazz and new wave albums from major labels on LP rips that haven't ever been rereleased on CD, let alone digital. The catalogues are just too big. It takes work and money to upload all that shit on iTunes.

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sulls said:

djThunderfunk said:

I was at Target at 9:15 (they open at 8) and they didn't have it out yet. Had to wait for them to bring it from the back for me. Oh well, at least I got my pick from all they had.

Right on! Did you pick up just one?

Yeah I don't keep sealed copies. It's bad enough I'll probably be double dipping with the vinyl. 2 copies is enough.

AhPook said:

jaawwnn said:

The strings on the "cinematic remix" are just the Clare Fischer stuff turned up to eleven? There's nothing actually added? So it's about as legit as the other version, I think I actually prefer it.

[Edited 6/21/19 9:11am]

It's called "Cinematic Mix," not remix. The distinction should matter in terms of what's been done to the song.

True it should but not everyone in record companies is as pedantic about these things as a fan would be so I wanted to see if my ears were playing tricks with me.

stillwaiting said:

djThunderfunk said:

I was at Target at 9:15 (they open at 8) and they didn't have it out yet. Had to wait for them to bring it from the back for me. Oh well, at least I got my pick from all they had.

God, that is so much like me. When I go to Target tonight, I will look through each one, and find the one that is "mine."

When I saw they weren't out yet, I asked the kid working there, he said "I'll go get you one". I said "Could you make sure none of the corners are bent up, I'm a collector". He came back with the whole box and said "Take your pick. I get it. We get a lot of collectors here." LOL.

databank said:

BlueShakooo said:

databank said:

You mean the apparently fake songs with fake vocals?

I actually meant the terrible remixes (like Slave To The Rhythm). And even worse: Wanna Be Startin' (feat. Akon). This so called Cinematic Remix lets us hear Prince's naked voice recording for a few measures. It touches me.

OK, IDK, to me it's all the same. Now if it's posthumous and they're gonna come clear with it because they felt they needed that to sell the shit, then I don't need to approve but I can live with it. But if they say it's "as we found it" and it's not, then it's a no go

I LOVE the Cinematic mix! Hauntingly beautiful to my ears.

BlueShakooo said:

databank said:

You mean the apparently fake songs with fake vocals?

I actually meant the terrible remixes (like Slave To The Rhythm). And even worse: Wanna Be Startin' (feat. Akon). This so called Cinematic Remix lets us hear Prince's naked voice recording for a few measures. It touches me.

As bad as things are in Prince world, and trust me, they are bad...it is worse as an MJ fan. The idiots did not even release all the best outtakes. Like the Dangerous one...uh...what is it, "If You Don't Love Me?" Or the incredible acoustic version of "Give In To Me." As a complete fanatic of MJ, it hurts that so much material is rotting away. No Victory tour DVD/Blu Ray...Bad in Japan and Australia should have been out by now.....and as far as fake vocals? Who knows? MJ used vocal alteration on "Shout" the B-Side to "Cry," a lesser known single from Invincible.

I usually avoid MJ discussions here, but so far, things are worse in Prince world...then again, neither has been what it should be or could be. But I'm happy we at least have originals