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Reply #180 posted 04/29/18 12:14pm

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GrayDorian said:



PurpleDiamonds1 said:


Dibblekins said:

Wasn't it Apollonia who said Prince had spoken to her in the not-too-distant-past, and spoke of a 'Jubilant Judas' in his midst?



Yes...and looking back at the memorial pics Phaedra might just fit that...


‘Jubilant’ from that pic?! confuse



To me that looks more like Damaris (who seems to me to have conducted herself impeccably since Prince’s passing) is somehow managing to maintain her composure, whilst supporting Phaedra, who seems overcome with grief and misery.



Phaedra’s anguish and distress in this pic certainly seems to me to be pretty incongruous with the alleged ‘vulture’ that one or two or my fellow orgers seem to be portraying.





Yet another budding Katherine Hepburn in the Prince camp? shrug I must say it seems that Prince had a rare talent for unintentionally unearthing thespian talent.


Yes ..Phaedra looks the "Jubliant Judas" part ...crocidolite tears and all,just Look her past up it's all there. As well as what Appolonia has said. Phaedra fits the part
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Reply #181 posted 04/29/18 12:17pm

tmo1965

GrayDorian said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

This pic?

Says it all really. Poor Phaedra looks beside herself with grief.

I'm surprised that no statement was taken from Demaris, since she was a close friend.

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Reply #182 posted 04/29/18 12:27pm

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"The enemy sends people into our lives just as God does. Be wise enough to know who to let in and who to let go." "The devil will walk into a room with tears and will try to make you feel sorry for him." You said these exact words to me in 2014. "Jubilant Judas fakes tears."
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Reply #183 posted 04/29/18 12:36pm

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I really wish that prince could have found skilled, trustworthy people to partner with over the long term on his business needs. Like how Springsteen’s has had Jon Landau for close to 40 years. Or I was watching a video of Jodie Foster at an event the other day where she thanked her agent of four decades. That kind of thing. I think the reasons prince didn’t have that are largely (not entirely) due to his own psychology. But the revolving door of marginally qualified people in a chaotic environment did him no favors I think.


tmo1965 said:



disch said:


Handling, no. Involved: well, she described being in the room when some negotiations were going on involving his catalogue. I think there was a pattern of Prince hiring people to do jobs they were probably minimally qualified for to start (office work etc), and then if he liked them he'd dump ever more responsibility on them, including things inolving money. (That wasn't specifically the situation with Mariah, but with others).


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And there was an awful lot of palace intrigue around PP: this person hates that person, etc. It just sounded very chaotic and honestly somewhat unprofessional to me generally.



cloveringold85 said:



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I just finished listening to Mariah Brown's interview. I didn't get the impression that she was handling any of Prince's business affairs, in terms of his music. Mariah said she was running errands, shopping and getting food for Prince and would assist with dinners, which was prepared by the cook, Ray Roberts.


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One thing that stood out is when she said that after Prince had passed, Kirk, Phaedra and Meron basically cut her out and started acting weird and would not return phone calls.







I got that impression also. He obviously was not a business person. He needed someone to manage the entire staff and who also had experience in personnel management. For instance, several of the people interviewed said that they left because of the workload. A good general manager would know that they needed more people or needed to prioritize and plan out tasks - things of that nature. Prince should have invested in hiring a business consulting firm to evaluate the work and personnel needs of Paisley Park and make recomendations on org structure, how many employees are needed, and to define the various job responsibilites.



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Reply #184 posted 04/29/18 12:37pm

PeteSilas

we hear so much shit and i don't know how much is true. prince was the boss, he didn't have to have no jubilant judas around unless he wanted it that way.

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Reply #185 posted 04/29/18 12:58pm

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206Michelle said:

bondno9 said:

Sooo Tyka is lurking around on Apollonia's IG page almost as if she's saying "I'm watching you and what you say ..." hmmm

Is Tyka commenting on some of Apollonia's posts?

Apollonia has been spending some time in Hawaii (her seond home) for the past couple of months. She posted a pic about Earth Day that Tyka "liked." Pretty unusual because it's not common for Tyka to do that on Apollonia's IG. It clearly was a subtle message from Tyka that she's watching her ... although a couple days later Apollonia posted that cryptic message about "they rocked him to sleep all behind his back"

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Reply #186 posted 04/29/18 1:22pm

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PeteSilas said:

we hear so much shit and i don't know how much is true. prince was the boss, he didn't have to have no jubilant judas around unless he wanted it that way.

Good point, Pete, none of us should forget that nothing was 'conventional' with Prince since the beginning...it was always his way.

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Reply #187 posted 04/29/18 2:30pm

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cloveringold85 said:

leec1 said:

My interpretation of what Theo said goes beyond money for Larry's house and paying the band. I feel he was suggesting that Phaedra was stealing funds.

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Yes. He also made it sound like Phaedra seemed to have a stronghold over a lot of people and manipulated people in Prince's camp. The fact that she did not pay people what they were owed, raises a big red flag, imo.

Especially considering she's supposed to be some kind of Labor Activist. confused

Here's what bothers ME:

Prince died of an overdose of the drug Fentanyl. Of which, it is very highly fucking likely that he never even knew he'd taken.
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Reply #188 posted 04/29/18 2:52pm

poppys

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

"The enemy sends people into our lives just as God does. Be wise enough to know who to let in and who to let go." "The devil will walk into a room with tears and will try to make you feel sorry for him." You said these exact words to me in 2014. "Jubilant Judas fakes tears."


What is this from?

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Reply #189 posted 04/29/18 3:15pm

cloveringold85

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bondno9 said:

206Michelle said:

Is Tyka commenting on some of Apollonia's posts?

Apollonia has been spending some time in Hawaii (her seond home) for the past couple of months. She posted a pic about Earth Day that Tyka "liked." Pretty unusual because it's not common for Tyka to do that on Apollonia's IG. It clearly was a subtle message from Tyka that she's watching her ... although a couple days later Apollonia posted that cryptic message about "they rocked him to sleep all behind his back"

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hmm

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I remember Prince had tweeted or IG something like "Even with eyes this large, I still can't watch you all the time." eek.

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Who was he referring to? confused

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Reply #190 posted 04/29/18 3:20pm

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes. He also made it sound like Phaedra seemed to have a stronghold over a lot of people and manipulated people in Prince's camp. The fact that she did not pay people what they were owed, raises a big red flag, imo.

Especially considering she's supposed to be some kind of Labor Activist. confused

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She teamed-up with JayZ now, and started some other organization now.

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“Most people are unaware that more than 70 percent of people in jails haven’t been convicted of anything,” said Phaedra Ellis-Lamkins, the entrepreneur who co-founded the California-based business with a social mission.

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“They are awaiting trial and locked up simply because they lack funds for bail ... Our goal is to use technology to create scale to keep many people out of jail,” she told the Thomson Reuters Foundation.

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https://www.reuters.com/a...SKBN1HX2QE

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eek

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Reply #191 posted 04/29/18 3:22pm

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poppys said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

"The enemy sends people into our lives just as God does. Be wise enough to know who to let in and who to let go." "The devil will walk into a room with tears and will try to make you feel sorry for him." You said these exact words to me in 2014. "Jubilant Judas fakes tears."


What is this from?

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Apples posted that on her twitter a while back, after Prince died. She said she had a talk with Prince one time, and that is what he said to her.

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Reply #192 posted 04/29/18 3:27pm

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Reply #193 posted 04/29/18 3:33pm

poppys

cloveringold85 said:

http://prince.org/msg/5/454215

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RE: Phaedra

That thread is locked. Same topic as here.

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Reply #194 posted 04/29/18 3:34pm

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FlyOnTheWall:

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cloveringold85 said:

Okay, I'm scratching my head with this one. hmmm

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This needs to go on the Estate thread.

Actually, I'm glad the OP started this thread because Phaedra's name is taking quite a beating these days, especially since Debra Johnson's interview was made public. It should be known that Phaedra was seeking to make sure that her name was removed as manager of NPG Records. Now, why she ever held that role, to begin with, is another question, altogether; however, assuming Prince was of sound mind, he must have approved that arrangement. That Estate thread is so long and unwieldy that it is very time-consuming to navigate and follow.

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To reply.....: Just because Prince put Phaedra in-charge of Mgr of NPG Records, does not prove she was trustworthy. From what I've been reading from the investigation, Phaedra was good at manipulating people, and perhaps even Prince. He was probably impressed with her intellect and her business savvy mind, and so he trusted her. Lots of people are good at putting an act on--it does not mean they are ethical.

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It appears she was doing something shady.



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Reply #195 posted 04/29/18 3:35pm

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poppys said:

cloveringold85 said:

http://prince.org/msg/5/454215

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RE: Phaedra

That thread is locked. Same topic as here.

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Yes, just wanted to post it here, as it relates to the investigation.

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Reply #196 posted 04/29/18 3:38pm

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PeteSilas said:

we hear so much shit and i don't know how much is true. prince was the boss, he didn't have to have no jubilant judas around unless he wanted it that way.

I think far too much has been made of Apples statement over the last couple of years. I always thought it sounded more like him trying to give her advice than his own situation. Obviously at some point, being famous for so long, he will have had to deal with people who pretend to be your friend but would stab u in the back. It isn't about anyone in particular, just a sad reflection on celebrity and fake friends im afraid!

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Reply #197 posted 04/29/18 3:41pm

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poppys said:



PurpleDiamonds1 said:


"The enemy sends people into our lives just as God does. Be wise enough to know who to let in and who to let go." "The devil will walk into a room with tears and will try to make you feel sorry for him." You said these exact words to me in 2014. "Jubilant Judas fakes tears."


What is this from?


Appolonias facebook pg it is in the link I had posted above. She says this is something Prince told her...
I don't understand why he would have kept her around knowing her background...either he didn't do a background check on her or she was being very manipulative with him. Either was it seems he knew.
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Reply #198 posted 04/29/18 3:41pm

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petalthecat said:

PeteSilas said:

we hear so much shit and i don't know how much is true. prince was the boss, he didn't have to have no jubilant judas around unless he wanted it that way.

I think far too much has been made of Apples statement over the last couple of years. I always thought it sounded more like him trying to give her advice than his own situation. Obviously at some point, being famous for so long, he will have had to deal with people who pretend to be your friend but would stab u in the back. It isn't about anyone in particular, just a sad reflection on celebrity and fake friends im afraid!

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We really have no way of knowing what he meant or why he said that. Apples would know.

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Reply #199 posted 04/29/18 3:41pm

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PurpleDiamonds1 said:

"The enemy sends people into our lives just as God does. Be wise enough to know who to let in and who to let go." "The devil will walk into a room with tears and will try to make you feel sorry for him." You said these exact words to me in 2014. "Jubilant Judas fakes tears."


wow that is so wise AND so true!!!
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Reply #200 posted 04/29/18 3:43pm

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cloveringold85 said:


eek
Once again...
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Reply #201 posted 04/29/18 3:45pm

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Krystalkisses said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

"The enemy sends people into our lives just as God does. Be wise enough to know who to let in and who to let go." "The devil will walk into a room with tears and will try to make you feel sorry for him." You said these exact words to me in 2014. "Jubilant Judas fakes tears."


wow that is so wise AND so true!!!

I agree and Appolonia said those words came from Prince...
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Reply #202 posted 04/29/18 3:49pm

PeteSilas

cloveringold85 said:

petalthecat said:

I think far too much has been made of Apples statement over the last couple of years. I always thought it sounded more like him trying to give her advice than his own situation. Obviously at some point, being famous for so long, he will have had to deal with people who pretend to be your friend but would stab u in the back. It isn't about anyone in particular, just a sad reflection on celebrity and fake friends im afraid!

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We really have no way of knowing what he meant or why he said that. Apples would know.

yup, just another cryptic statement from someone who knew him, god i'm getting sick of that.

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Reply #203 posted 04/29/18 3:53pm

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PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Krystalkisses said:



wow that is so wise AND so true!!!

I agree and Appolonia said those words came from Prince...


Was Prince quoting Scripture?
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Reply #204 posted 04/29/18 3:56pm

PeteSilas

Krystalkisses said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:
I agree and Appolonia said those words came from Prince...
Was Prince quoting Scripture?

i don't think so, those were allusions rather than quotes.

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Reply #205 posted 04/29/18 3:57pm

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Krystalkisses said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:
I agree and Appolonia said those words came from Prince...
Was Prince quoting Scripture?

He was speaking his Realization

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Reply #206 posted 04/29/18 3:57pm

PeteSilas

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

GrayDorian said:

‘Jubilant’ from that pic?! confuse

To me that looks more like Damaris (who seems to me to have conducted herself impeccably since Prince’s passing) is somehow managing to maintain her composure, whilst supporting Phaedra, who seems overcome with grief and misery.

Phaedra’s anguish and distress in this pic certainly seems to me to be pretty incongruous with the alleged ‘vulture’ that one or two or my fellow orgers seem to be portraying.



Yet another budding Katherine Hepburn in the Prince camp? shrug I must say it seems that Prince had a rare talent for unintentionally unearthing thespian talent.

Yes ..Phaedra looks the "Jubliant Judas" part ...crocidolite tears and all,just Look her past up it's all there. As well as what Appolonia has said. Phaedra fits the part https://www.facebook.com/...71654125:0 [Edited 4/29/18 12:25pm]

could be real tears, sometimes it ain't just the addict that's in denial it's all their supporters too. just look at lance armstrong and his fans who would argue all day that he was clean.

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Reply #207 posted 04/29/18 4:01pm

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Lovejunky said:



Krystalkisses said:


PurpleDiamonds1 said:
I agree and Appolonia said those words came from Prince...

Was Prince quoting Scripture?

He was speaking his Realization



Prince was an incredibly insightful man. I wish he was still here.
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Reply #208 posted 04/29/18 4:19pm

Purpleone4Eva

PeteSilas said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

GrayDorian said: Yes ..Phaedra looks the "Jubliant Judas" part ...crocidolite tears and all,just Look her past up it's all there. As well as what Appolonia has said. Phaedra fits the part https://www.facebook.com/...71654125:0 [Edited 4/29/18 12:25pm]

could be real tears, sometimes it ain't just the addict that's in denial it's all their supporters too. just look at lance armstrong and his fans who would argue all day that he was clean.

Perhaps Prince was referring to someone who was actually trying to help him. How do we know? He misdirected suspicion and paranoia in his time for sure. Love the guy, but he was far from perfect, and shunned people who got too close, whether they meant well or not.

I did feel like some of his camp were keeping information from the police, and didn't like that. But we don't know what the truth is exactly about who supplied him those pills. Heck, he could have ordered them online himself, but I'm guessing he put it in someone else's name if he did.

Feels wrong to drag people through and question their grief because of some comment he allegedly made about some mystery person.

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Reply #209 posted 04/29/18 4:36pm

PeteSilas

Purpleone4Eva said:

PeteSilas said:

could be real tears, sometimes it ain't just the addict that's in denial it's all their supporters too. just look at lance armstrong and his fans who would argue all day that he was clean.

Perhaps Prince was referring to someone who was actually trying to help him. How do we know? He misdirected suspicion and paranoia in his time for sure. Love the guy, but he was far from perfect, and shunned people who got too close, whether they meant well or not.

I did feel like some of his camp were keeping information from the police, and didn't like that. But we don't know what the truth is exactly about who supplied him those pills. Heck, he could have ordered them online himself, but I'm guessing he put it in someone else's name if he did.

Feels wrong to drag people through and question their grief because of some comment he allegedly made about some mystery person.

could have been, i know the people i tried to help with addiction didn't like me too much either. almost like they are possessed by the substance.

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