PurpleDiamonds1 said:

PeteSilas said:

i wanna read about it, give some links

[Snip - luv4u]

oh great, more conspiracies, this one including witchcraft, go ahead, i'll listen. I'm a guy who still thinks it's possible for curses to work, i really do.

it's rare for anything to dissapear these days, if it happened, it could or would easily be online.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

disch said:

[Snip - luv4u]

It was posted on here and it may have been clover???

Actually NO thats not Shady..

The Owner if an LLC can also be a shareholder.

It would only be shady if Prince didnt know about it,

but in the earliest court documents released

there Prince signed Phaedra into this position

on or around Feb 2014

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Why do you think the phone call with Debra Johnson, P's prior business manager abruptly ended and we cant listen to Part 2 as it was withheld by Carver County?

She said P fired Universal and Phaedra OWNED the new entitites that received the benefit of Ps royalties from his publishing. Phaedra was both an owner, and a member/shareholder of these entities. That is a no, no.

This is shady as f*ck.

This explains why we havent heard Part 2 of Debra's interview.

Purpleone4Eva said:

PeteSilas said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

GrayDorian said: Yes ..Phaedra looks the "Jubliant Judas" part ...crocidolite tears and all,just Look her past up it's all there. As well as what Appolonia has said. Phaedra fits the part https://www.facebook.com/...71654125:0 [Edited 4/29/18 12:25pm]

could be real tears, sometimes it ain't just the addict that's in denial it's all their supporters too. just look at lance armstrong and his fans who would argue all day that he was clean.

Perhaps Prince was referring to someone who was actually trying to help him. How do we know? He misdirected suspicion and paranoia in his time for sure. Love the guy, but he was far from perfect, and shunned people who got too close, whether they meant well or not.

I did feel like some of his camp were keeping information from the police, and didn't like that. But we don't know what the truth is exactly about who supplied him those pills. Heck, he could have ordered them online himself, but I'm guessing he put it in someone else's name if he did.

Feels wrong to drag people through and question their grief because of some comment he allegedly made about some mystery person.

Errr, that's a misquote... I didn't say any of the bolded.

Quite the contrary, as that looks like genuine grief in that pic. Those certainly don't look like 'crocodile tears' to me.

It is interesting to me that, unlike the rest of us here, Phaedra didn't come to love Prince through his music, as she wasn't even a fan prior to working for him.

I'm yet to be convinced Phaedra has done anything 'shady'. After a 2 year investigation, surely she would have been charged by now, if she had been embezzling funds?

I may be proved completely wrong about that, but for now, I'm not buying it.

I don't really find it plausible that Prince would surround himself with any alleged 'vultures'. He was no fool...far from it!

And, even if this 'jubilant Judas' does indeed exist, isn't it more likely to be a man, as Prince refers to this 'devil' as a "him" in the quote.

If it had been a woman, I'd probably have expected Prince to refer to them as 'delighted Delilah' for example.

That's if Prince was warning Apples about someone specific, and not just trying to give her more general advice, as has been surmised on this thread earlier.

Way too much conspiracy bullshit going on. Thread has derailed somewhat.

The illuminate angle is preposterous and stupid.

JayZ never burned CDs onstage and ranted against Prince. If he did there would be a record of it as it would have made mainstream news. Prince was working with Tidal right up until he died. No one knows why Prince didn't do the Tidal concert, but looking at the lineup it wouldn't be hard to guess that Prince thought it would be a shit show and pulled out. That or he was going through "health" complications at the time.

PeteSilas said:

disch said:

I can't find any trace of this event on the interwebs. Are you sure it wasn't an urban legend? It doesn't really sound like Jay Z's style.

XxAxX said:

yes. it's bothered me since

Me neither. Hell, where is the Org thread about it? Because I know damn well, if some shit like that happened, there's one hell of a thread here about it somewhere but I can't find it.

PeteSilas said:

Rebeljuice said:

Way too much conspiracy bullshit going on. Thread has derailed somewhat.

The illuminate angle is preposterous and stupid.

JayZ never burned CDs onstage and ranted against Prince. If he did there would be a record of it as it would have made mainstream news. Prince was working with Tidal right up until he died. No one knows why Prince didn't do the Tidal concert, but looking at the lineup it wouldn't be hard to guess that Prince thought it would be a shit show and pulled out. That or he was going through "health" complications at the time.

Just think about the security/fire regulations of burning anything onstage. I'm really not buying that plastic meltdown.

I echo the sentiment of coming out and saying what you mean or STFU. No more cryptic comments. No saving it for your book. I realize Prince put the drugs in his mouth, but there are an awful lot of people through the years and most especially during the last year who looked the other way and didn't stand up to him. I have to add this: when Billy Bush was on Access Hollywood, he would take questions on FB from followers. One day I asked him if he ever held back information on a celebrity in order to maintain access to the celebrity. He said he did, but it was only because once in the past he thought he had a scoop, told it on the show, and it ended up being untrue. I still think in Prince's case a lot of people knew what was going on - and not just in his "inner" circle, but in the entertainment industry.

1Sasha said:

I echo the sentiment of coming out and saying what you mean or STFU. No more cryptic comments. No saving it for your book. I realize Prince put the drugs in his mouth, but there are an awful lot of people through the years and most especially during the last year who looked the other way and didn't stand up to him. I have to add this: when Billy Bush was on Access Hollywood, he would take questions on FB from followers. One day I asked him if he ever held back information on a celebrity in order to maintain access to the celebrity. He said he did, but it was only because once in the past he thought he had a scoop, told it on the show, and it ended up being untrue. I still think in Prince's case a lot of people knew what was going on - and not just in his "inner" circle, but in the entertainment industry.

I agree, 1Sasha, and another thought is that SOME might have kept their mouths shut out of respect for a monumentally talented soul who was obviously struggling. Just a thought ...human beings and their motives and emotions are SO complex...

1Sasha said:

I echo the sentiment of coming out and saying what you mean or STFU. No more cryptic comments. No saving it for your book. I realize Prince put the drugs in his mouth, but there are an awful lot of people through the years and most especially during the last year who looked the other way and didn't stand up to him. I have to add this: when Billy Bush was on Access Hollywood, he would take questions on FB from followers. One day I asked him if he ever held back information on a celebrity in order to maintain access to the celebrity. He said he did, but it was only because once in the past he thought he had a scoop, told it on the show, and it ended up being untrue. I still think in Prince's case a lot of people knew what was going on - and not just in his "inner" circle, but in the entertainment industry.

Not to mention Billy Bush is paying the ultimate employment price for looking the other way with a "celebrity". Fired!

kmama07 said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

Jill Jones talks prince investigation

https://knalovenge.com/â€...with-sp…

Good interview.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

disch said:

I can't find any trace of this event on the interwebs. Are you sure it wasn't an urban legend? It doesn't really sound like Jay Z's style.

Me neither. Hell, where is the Org thread about it? Because I know damn well, if some shit like that happened, there's one hell of a thread here about it somewhere but I can't find it.

i searched for "Tidal concert" and here is what i found on the ORG's search engine. below are just a few of the ten pages of results. don't know if reference is made to Jay Z burning Prince CDs but there is discussion about the concert cancellation

Has Prince dropped out of the Tidal Concert? http://prince.org/msg/7/419333?pr

Prince Pulls out of Tidal Concert http://prince.org/msg/7/419706

Tidal Concert http://prince.org/msg/7/419739?pr

[Edited 4/30/18 9:21am]

XxAxX said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Me neither. Hell, where is the Org thread about it? Because I know damn well, if some shit like that happened, there's one hell of a thread here about it somewhere but I can't find it.

i searched for "Tidal concert" and here is what i found on the ORG's search engine. below are just a few of the ten pages of results. don't know if reference is made to Jay Z burning Prince CDs but there is discussion about the concert cancellation

Has Prince dropped out of the Tidal Concert? http://prince.org/msg/7/419333?pr

Prince Pulls out of Tidal Concert http://prince.org/msg/7/419706

Tidal Concert http://prince.org/msg/7/419739?pr

[Edited 4/30/18 9:21am]

you beat me to it ....if you go to the end of this thread a lot of the comments are sarcastic and orgers are ASSUMING what may have happened at the concert , not what actually happenend

more links:

Hey, Orgers! Isn't Tonight The Big Prince + Others Concert On Tidal? - http://prince.org/msg/7/4...5&pg=1

XxAxX said:

Can we officially end this Jay Z/illuminati/CD-burning derail and move back to issues related to prince's passing (for those who are interested)? Again: Jay Z burning CDs would've been mentioned in the many reviews of the concert and it's not, because it didn't occur.

OperatingThetan said:

XxAxX said:

i searched for "Tidal concert" and here is what i found on the ORG's search engine. below are just a few of the ten pages of results. don't know if reference is made to Jay Z burning Prince CDs but there is discussion about the concert cancellation

Has Prince dropped out of the Tidal Concert? http://prince.org/msg/7/419333?pr

Prince Pulls out of Tidal Concert http://prince.org/msg/7/419706

Tidal Concert http://prince.org/msg/7/419739?pr

[Edited 4/30/18 9:21am]

The concert cancellation is not in doubt. Jay-Z burning Prince CDs in a 'Satanic' ritual however, is pure fiction. Jay-Z and Prince continued to work together following the concert cancellation, with Prince continually promoting Tidal and providing the service with exclusive music, right up until the week of his death. One cursory browse of Prince's twitter feed dispells all of these rumours. The facts simply aren't there.

Lovejunky said:

You all shouldnt be so quick to throw Phaedra under the Bus...

nor Van or JAYZ for that matter...

The three of them are closely affiliated with each other to this day...

and are working together in arenas where the common goal is BLACK RIGHTS

Now think about it...

DO you really think that Prince was such an idiot that he didnt know the good hearted from the bad ? !!!

Here are some facts...

Prince was keen to release his Music VIA Peer to Peer

We have evidence from Jester who mentions in a podcast that Prince gave him copies of HITNRUN

to sell and told him to keep the Profits

We also have Merons statement where she clearly states that the CASH she had was from Peer to Peer sales...

This is a revolutionary move..

Prince signed copyright from his last 4 Albums over to the Dreamcorps Office address (readily available information from US Copywrite office) This clearly indicates that he was setting up some kind of a system where at least some of the royalties from his music went towards social causes

As far as I know this has not been attempted by any other recording artist in history

Knowing Princes philanthropic side, and his desire to help People, whatever Phaedra was setting up for him was NOT done behind his back, instead I would suggest that Prince had a plan and Phaedra was the one who had to work around all the legalities in order to make that Plan a reality and advise him accordingly

Re signing with Warners was a practical move.this time Prince as the New owner of his Masters, had the Upper Hand.Remember he had no personal issues with Warners, he objected to the fact that they Controlled his ART...Once he had ownership of it, He set up NPGPublishing , with the intention of licensing his music which means also collecting Royalties.

There was obviously a LOT going on that we dont know and as far as accusing Phaedra of stealing from Prince...NO...Id say its more likely that Phaedra was trying to keep a cap on Princes generosity while she was getting a Structure in place....

Not an easy thing to do when you are building a NEW Structure...You dont have anything to Model on

and therefore there are bound to be obstacles..

One of the main obstacles after His passing would have been that a lot of Princes desires would have been verbally communicated to Phaedra and possibly Van, so there would have been NO PROOF...Im surmising that Phaedra knew that there was no point in fighting, perhaps she did destroy some documents, and not saying what she did was right, however if she was half way to setting up some kind of alternative Muical distribution System its likely that she had not yet crossed all the "T"s and it probably did look shady, since it was incomplete...

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Nice way to sugar-coat things, but I'm not buying it.

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Let the chips fall where they may.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Those three are shady! Just look at what they have done the past will haunt them .... Does anyone remember the JayZ concert that Prince REFUSED to perform at and JayZ did some chant Prince will burn and he burned Prince CDs on stage? It was posted on here a while back and was very disturbing. [Edited 4/29/18 17:49pm]

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I never heard that story.

we just talked about it quite a bit in the posts above. The chanting/CD-burning stuff didn't happen (no mention of it any concert reviews or on the org), and Prince continued to work with Jay Z/Tidal until his death.

cloveringold85 said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Those three are shady! Just look at what they have done the past will haunt them .... Does anyone remember the JayZ concert that Prince REFUSED to perform at and JayZ did some chant Prince will burn and he burned Prince CDs on stage? It was posted on here a while back and was very disturbing. [Edited 4/29/18 17:49pm]

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I never heard that story.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

disch said:

I can't find any trace of this event on the interwebs. Are you sure it wasn't an urban legend? It doesn't really sound like Jay Z's style.

TidalX concert in Oct 2015 Prince pulled out due to JayZ concerts referring to illuminati and he refused to perform due to JayZ being a part of the Illuminati. The truth of this was out there we had posted it on here about a year ago..

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I heard something about that. I've seen videos' on YT, and it didn't look like any type of event that Prince would partake in. I can't watch JayZ's concerts or any of his productions, as I find them very disturbing.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

disch said:

I think the burning/chanting did not occur. That would have certainly merited mention in the Billboard and NYTimes reviews.

It was posted on here and it may have been clover??? It did occur.

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Me? I don't remember that! LOL

gwiliandre said:

cloveringold85 said:

FlyOnTheWall:

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Actually, I'm glad the OP started this thread because Phaedra's name is taking quite a beating these days, especially since Debra Johnson's interview was made public. It should be known that Phaedra was seeking to make sure that her name was removed as manager of NPG Records. Now, why she ever held that role, to begin with, is another question, altogether; however, assuming Prince was of sound mind, he must have approved that arrangement. That Estate thread is so long and unwieldy that it is very time-consuming to navigate and follow.

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To reply.....: Just because Prince put Phaedra in-charge of Mgr of NPG Records, does not prove she was trustworthy. From what I've been reading from the investigation, Phaedra was good at manipulating people, and perhaps even Prince. He was probably impressed with her intellect and her business savvy mind, and so he trusted her. Lots of people are good at putting an act on--it does not mean they are ethical.

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It appears she was doing something shady.

Read ALL the documents. It appears someone fancied themselves as having a position of import & power in the life and estate of decedent. The facts state otherwise wherein the court specifically states petitioner has absolutely no rights in requesting access to decedents personal affairs & estate. The courts requested petitioner provide any/all documents involving decedent (including e-mails) and demanded no records are to be destroyed. Reprehensible reprobate or saviors & saints; deeds are always revealed. Examination of facts contained therein - thank you public documents - speak for themselves. Interesting audio indeed. Truth & facts speak for themselves. Actions not words.

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I have read the investigation docs and listened to Prince's associates verbal statements, and as soon as I heard what Debra had to say, I was side-eyeing, and eye-rolling all over the place!!

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Why do you think the phone call with Debra Johnson, P's prior business manager abruptly ended and we cant listen to Part 2 as it was withheld by Carver County?

She said P fired Universal and Phaedra OWNED the new entitites that received the benefit of Ps royalties from his publishing. Phaedra was both an owner, and a member/shareholder of these entities. That is a no, no.

This is shady as f*ck.

This explains why we havent heard Part 2 of Debra's interview.

Lovejunky said:

You all shouldnt be so quick to throw Phaedra under the Bus...

nor Van or JAYZ for that matter...

The three of them are closely affiliated with each other to this day...

and are working together in arenas where the common goal is BLACK RIGHTS

Now think about it...

DO you really think that Prince was such an idiot that he didnt know the good hearted from the bad ? !!!

Here are some facts...

Prince was keen to release his Music VIA Peer to Peer

We have evidence from Jester who mentions in a podcast that Prince gave him copies of HITNRUN

to sell and told him to keep the Profits

We also have Merons statement where she clearly states that the CASH she had was from Peer to Peer sales...

This is a revolutionary move..

Prince signed copyright from his last 4 Albums over to the Dreamcorps Office address (readily available information from US Copywrite office) This clearly indicates that he was setting up some kind of a system where at least some of the royalties from his music went towards social causes

As far as I know this has not been attempted by any other recording artist in history

Knowing Princes philanthropic side, and his desire to help People, whatever Phaedra was setting up for him was NOT done behind his back, instead I would suggest that Prince had a plan and Phaedra was the one who had to work around all the legalities in order to make that Plan a reality and advise him accordingly

Re signing with Warners was a practical move.this time Prince as the New owner of his Masters, had the Upper Hand.Remember he had no personal issues with Warners, he objected to the fact that they Controlled his ART...Once he had ownership of it, He set up NPGPublishing , with the intention of licensing his music which means also collecting Royalties.

There was obviously a LOT going on that we dont know and as far as accusing Phaedra of stealing from Prince...NO...Id say its more likely that Phaedra was trying to keep a cap on Princes generosity while she was getting a Structure in place....

Not an easy thing to do when you are building a NEW Structure...You dont have anything to Model on

and therefore there are bound to be obstacles..

One of the main obstacles after His passing would have been that a lot of Princes desires would have been verbally communicated to Phaedra and possibly Van, so there would have been NO PROOF...Im surmising that Phaedra knew that there was no point in fighting, perhaps she did destroy some documents, and not saying what she did was right, however if she was half way to setting up some kind of alternative Muical distribution System its likely that she had not yet crossed all the "T"s and it probably did look shady, since it was incomplete...

[Edited 4/29/18 21:38pm]

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Do you think they are going to investigate further? I can't see how they are gonna just let this fall to the wayside!!

OperatingThetan said:

XxAxX said:

i searched for "Tidal concert" and here is what i found on the ORG's search engine. below are just a few of the ten pages of results. don't know if reference is made to Jay Z burning Prince CDs but there is discussion about the concert cancellation

Has Prince dropped out of the Tidal Concert? http://prince.org/msg/7/419333?pr

Prince Pulls out of Tidal Concert http://prince.org/msg/7/419706

Tidal Concert http://prince.org/msg/7/419739?pr

[Edited 4/30/18 9:21am]

The concert cancellation is not in doubt. Jay-Z burning Prince CDs in a 'Satanic' ritual however, is pure fiction. Jay-Z and Prince continued to work together following the concert cancellation, with Prince continually promoting Tidal and providing the service with exclusive music, right up until the week of his death. One cursory browse of Prince's twitter feed dispells all of these rumours. The facts simply aren't there.

fine by me. i never stated that anyone burned CDs or otherwise. i'm merely addressing the fact that it caused discussion when Prince dropped out at the last minute. capiche?

[Edited 4/30/18 11:31am]

disch said:

Can we officially end this Jay Z/illuminati/CD-burning derail and move back to issues related to prince's passing (for those who are interested)? Again: Jay Z burning CDs would've been mentioned in the many reviews of the concert and it's not, because it didn't occur.

OperatingThetan said:

XxAxX said: The concert cancellation is not in doubt. Jay-Z burning Prince CDs in a 'Satanic' ritual however, is pure fiction. Jay-Z and Prince continued to work together following the concert cancellation, with Prince continually promoting Tidal and providing the service with exclusive music, right up until the week of his death. One cursory browse of Prince's twitter feed dispells all of these rumours. The facts simply aren't there.

getting tired of folks putting words in my mouth and accusing me of fostering "illuminati" and etc. conspiracy theories.

never did i say that Jay Z burned Prince CDs or otherwise. please read the thread carefully and give credit where it is actually due. pay attention. thank you!

dang cellphone edits! [Edited 4/30/18 11:32am]

[Edited 4/30/18 11:33am]

kmama07 said:

PeteSilas said:

yup, just another cryptic statement from someone who knew him, god i'm getting sick of that.

I agree. If anyone has something to say, I wish he/she would just come out and say it. And if all he/she has to say is in the form of a cryptic message, I wish he/she would simply STFU!

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I wish Apples would just explain what the hell she is talking about, and let's put this to bed, finally!!

XxAxX said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Me neither. Hell, where is the Org thread about it? Because I know damn well, if some shit like that happened, there's one hell of a thread here about it somewhere but I can't find it.

i searched for "Tidal concert" and here is what i found on the ORG's search engine. below are just a few of the ten pages of results. don't know if reference is made to Jay Z burning Prince CDs but there is discussion about the concert cancellation

Has Prince dropped out of the Tidal Concert? http://prince.org/msg/7/419333?pr

Prince Pulls out of Tidal Concert http://prince.org/msg/7/419706

Tidal Concert http://prince.org/msg/7/419739?pr

[Edited 4/30/18 9:21am]

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Thanks, XxAxX!! I'm gonna check that out!!