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cloveringold85 said:

XxAxX said:

i searched for "Tidal concert" and here is what i found on the ORG's search engine. below are just a few of the ten pages of results. don't know if reference is made to Jay Z burning Prince CDs but there is discussion about the concert cancellation

Has Prince dropped out of the Tidal Concert? http://prince.org/msg/7/419333?pr

Prince Pulls out of Tidal Concert http://prince.org/msg/7/419706

Tidal Concert http://prince.org/msg/7/419739?pr

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Thanks, XxAxX!! I'm gonna check that out!!

welcome! so far the only reference i can see to Jay Z burning a Prince CD onstage while playing "someday my prince will come" appears to have been posted by Pentacle:

- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderatorReply #216 posted 10/21/15 3:09am

and then later Pentacle admits it was a lie:

Reply #248 posted 10/23/15 12:33am

Okay, well that settles that then.

cloveringold85 said:

Okay, well that settles that then.

yeah guess so. i knew there was rancor over the cancellation but i never heard it had gone as far as Jay Z doing that! better stop discussing this topic though since the self-appointed thread police are here, deciding what they feel should and shouldn't be discussed. again.

Pentacle said:

Astasheiks said:

Can anybody answer the above?

No. But he should have.

Around Christmas I will organize a bonfire on Times Square where we can all burn our Prince cd's together. Let's burn it all, so the only way he can make money from his music is by releasing remasters.

All the record companies that Prince screwed over have promised the go around record stores and buy up all copies left. In 2016 there will be no Prince cd's left in New York. Soon, the world.

Pentacle

[Edited 4/30/18 14:30pm]

poppys said:

XxAxX said:

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No. But he should have.

Around Christmas I will organize a bonfire on Times Square where we can all burn our Prince cd's together. Let's burn it all, so the only way he can make money from his music is by releasing remasters.

All the record companies that Prince screwed over have promised the go around record stores and buy up all copies left. In 2016 there will be no Prince cd's left in New York. Soon, the world.

Pentacle

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What's going on here? I didn't make that quote, above!! LMAO!!

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This Org needs some updating!

^^ sometimes reply with quote gets hairy. I edited it.

poppys said:

^^ sometimes reply with quote gets hairy. I edited it.

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Yea, I noticed that happens sometimes.

Something else I've been thinking about; there is a phone in the elevator and I'm wondering why didn't Prince use it to call 911? Unless it was inoperable?

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I see that there is a phone sitting right next to his bed in the green room. From the pictures, I'm guessing Prince was in his room very briefly, to put down his black bag, and whatever, but nothing looks like it had been touched. He must have took that lethal pill in his room, and then realized something was wrong, and made it to the elevator?

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I have this feeling that Prince was given those counterfeit Vicodin pills when he went to Atlanta, because that's when his downfall began. He goes to see Dr. Shulenberg on April 7th, then overdoses in Moline 7-days later on the 14th, then 7-days after that (April 21st), he dies from Fentanyl overdose.

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Personally, I think that after the 2 Narcan shots, Prince should have been taken to a treatment facility, because his body was going through bad withdrawals (side effects) from the Narcan, and he needed to be closely monitored. I still can't understand why Dr. Schulenberg and other's did not act sooner?

Thing is Prince was taking counterfeit pills and knew about it before the OD, still can't understand after Moline that he would have realised the risk taking anything which makes me think there would have been other close calls we dont know about, it was an ongoing gamble, seems he avoided Doctors until the last oportunity to get professional help, but it was too late. Sad thing is he even waved/thanked Schulenberg on the way out in the footage.

XxAxX said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Me neither. Hell, where is the Org thread about it? Because I know damn well, if some shit like that happened, there's one hell of a thread here about it somewhere but I can't find it.

i searched for "Tidal concert" and here is what i found on the ORG's search engine. below are just a few of the ten pages of results. don't know if reference is made to Jay Z burning Prince CDs but there is discussion about the concert cancellation

Has Prince dropped out of the Tidal Concert? http://prince.org/msg/7/419333?pr

Prince Pulls out of Tidal Concert http://prince.org/msg/7/419706

Tidal Concert http://prince.org/msg/7/419739?pr

[Edited 4/30/18 9:21am]

Thanks! Apparently, I was here that night and watched the live stream. So now I KNOW good and damn well there was no Jay Z burning Prince CDs.

cloveringold85 said:

Something else I've been thinking about; there is a phone in the elevator and I'm wondering why didn't Prince use it to call 911? Unless it was inoperable?

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I see that there is a phone sitting right next to his bed in the green room. From the pictures, I'm guessing Prince was in his room very briefly, to put down his black bag, and whatever, but nothing looks like it had been touched. He must have took that lethal pill in his room, and then realized something was wrong, and made it to the elevator?

.

I have this feeling that Prince was given those counterfeit Vicodin pills when he went to Atlanta, because that's when his downfall began. He goes to see Dr. Shulenberg on April 7th, then overdoses in Moline 7-days later on the 14th, then 7-days after that (April 21st), he dies from Fentanyl overdose.

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Personally, I think that after the 2 Narcan shots, Prince should have been taken to a treatment facility, because his body was going through bad withdrawals (side effects) from the Narcan, and he needed to be closely monitored. I still can't understand why Dr. Schulenberg and other's did not act sooner?

I agree!

Dimitri10 said:

Thing is Prince was taking counterfeit pills and knew about it before the OD, still can't understand after Moline that he would have realised the risk taking anything which makes me think there would have been other close calls we dont know about, it was an ongoing gamble, seems he avoided Doctors until the last oportunity to get professional help, but it was too late. Sad thing is he even waved/thanked Schulenberg on the way out in the footage.

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Yes, I totally get what you are saying. I think Prince was getting those pills from someone whom he thought he could trust. He was very particular on who he trusted, and I have a very hard time believing that he would get those counterfeit pills from just anyone. I'm sure he had no idea that they contained Fentanyl. He had so many of those pills and there is no telling what was in any of them, or what doses of Fentanyl they contained.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

cloveringold85 said:

Something else I've been thinking about; there is a phone in the elevator and I'm wondering why didn't Prince use it to call 911? Unless it was inoperable?

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I see that there is a phone sitting right next to his bed in the green room. From the pictures, I'm guessing Prince was in his room very briefly, to put down his black bag, and whatever, but nothing looks like it had been touched. He must have took that lethal pill in his room, and then realized something was wrong, and made it to the elevator?

.

I have this feeling that Prince was given those counterfeit Vicodin pills when he went to Atlanta, because that's when his downfall began. He goes to see Dr. Shulenberg on April 7th, then overdoses in Moline 7-days later on the 14th, then 7-days after that (April 21st), he dies from Fentanyl overdose.

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Personally, I think that after the 2 Narcan shots, Prince should have been taken to a treatment facility, because his body was going through bad withdrawals (side effects) from the Narcan, and he needed to be closely monitored. I still can't understand why Dr. Schulenberg and other's did not act sooner?

I agree!

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Thanks for listening!

[Your stuff is over here http://prince.org/msg/15 snip - luv4u]

cloveringold85 said:

Depression and Prince

purplerabbithole said:

Depression and Prince

I was thinking that maybe Prince suffered from depression more than we originally knew. If Judith is to believed, he definitely suffered from it at the end. Susan Rogers referenced depression where P was concerned and his inability to admit it back in the day. Prince did admit depression in older interviews when he talked about his earlier days. I even reckon that P's use of an non=pronouncible symbol of duality instead of just using a different name like he did for the other times he compartmentalized (Camile, Jamie Starr, Alexander Nevermind, Peter Bravestrong.) as a possible indication of depression.. Going without a verbal expression of one's self could be construed by others as a egotistical stunt, but it could also be construed as a way of almost eradicating one's former self.

Recently, Cassandra O'Neal posted about depression on her facebook page. She talked about a male musician who she recently discovered had let depression take him. I don't know if she was talking about P or someone else (maybe it was one of his associates giving in to the pressure of being publically ridiculed for exploiting P without looking out for him when he was alive.) I am not sure who she was talking about. But she talked about musicians being depresssed often due to their being sensitive and observant types and she was tired of seeing musicians take their lives due to depression. I wonder if the insiders suspect that P took his life like some of us do.

Certainly many of his lyrics are dark and autobiographical (as he said 'you can find out everything about me by listening to my music'...I paraphrase) i.e. Anna Stesia, June, Breakdown, etc....so I think you make some thoughtful observations, PRH, and aside from his other-worldly success in making mind-blowing music which must have brought him some pleasure...there was never a family life or the children he wanted...there was a deep hole to fill in his heart IMO.

cloveringold85 said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

I agree!

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Thanks for listening!

what about ,as I see it ,of Princes INACTION ..If I had an almost fatal overdose due to some tablets I took ,I bloody well would want to know what was in them even if they were stamped as Watson and if I knew I had gotten them illegally , or if there was a chance someone tampered with them.Where was his paranoia then ...I can only surmise that he knew what those tablets were and he took them again and he knew the consequences ...not a popular opinion but after goung back and forth in my mind , that is my conclusion

Strawberrylova123 said:

Yep, maybe that is all the insiders are hiding. P killing himself would be hard to deal with. It would be more tragic than just an accidental overdose.

80tomato said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Thanks for listening!

what about ,as I see it ,of Princes INACTION ..If I had an almost fatal overdose due to some tablets I took ,I bloody well would want to know what was in them even if they were stamped as Watson and if I knew I had gotten them illegally , or if there was a chance someone tampered with them.Where was his paranoia then ...I can only surmise that he knew what those tablets were and he took them again and he knew the consequences ...not a popular opinion but after goung back and forth in my mind , that is my conclusion

80tomato said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Thanks for listening!

what about ,as I see it ,of Princes INACTION ..If I had an almost fatal overdose due to some tablets I took ,I bloody well would want to know what was in them even if they were stamped as Watson and if I knew I had gotten them illegally , or if there was a chance someone tampered with them.Where was his paranoia then ...I can only surmise that he knew what those tablets were and he took them again and he knew the consequences ...not a popular opinion but after goung back and forth in my mind , that is my conclusion

i have brought that up time and time again but the addiction proponents just don't want to see anything but a raving addict. there are things that don't fit for me, one is that he never let the mask slip in public, or at least very rarely he did, he was hypercompetent right up to his very last show in which his voice never sounded better, it doesn't really make sense. him not just ditching every pill he had and just finding another source is verging on suicide no matter how you cut it.

Does Jill bring up that P knew that the pills in his Bayer bottle were the ones he overdosed on in MOlene and that he himself refused to let them be tested. I don't think anyone tricked Prince. The doctor confirmed that there was a Bayer bottle that P refused to admit he even took from or have tested. He took those pills again on the 21st. Remember the watsons were not in a traditional bottle and the fentanly laced ones were in the Bayer bottle while the lidocaine were in the Aleve bottle. Also, he had percocet he could have taken that the doctor gave him. He didn't use them. If Prince thought at one point that the mystery pills were the relatively mild hydrocodone and then overdosed on them requiring two narcan shots to shave him, wouldn't he question at that point if the pills were safe and why didn't he just grab the legit percocet which had never caused an overdose in Molene?

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

Jill Jones talks prince investigation

https://knalovenge.com/â€...with-sp…

Thanks for sharing, Jill brought some great points. One thing to mention Prince did not die from taking his meds he died because someone had a pill made to look just like his usual medication so he would take it without questioning...but that was laced with fentanyl.

[Edited 4/30/18 20:22pm]

[Edited 4/30/18 20:30pm]

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

Jill Jones talks prince investigation

https://knalovenge.com/â€...with-sp…

Thanks for sharing, Jill brought some great points. One thing to mention Prince did not die from taking his meds he died because someone had a pill made to look just like his usual medication so he would take it without questioning...but that was laced with fentanyl.

Prince didn't have opioids to take, so it wasn't his 'medicine'. They were not obtained legally. He didn't just have 1 pill that was laced with fentanyl, he had multiple pills with fentanyl. It's not like somebody just slipped him a fentanyl laced pill. He or somebody obtained them illegally and got a bad batch, happens all the time when you buy them from the black market.

Chances are very good that most of Prince associates knew of the drug use. Jill even thought something was off when they seen him in Oakland. Evidently it was an open secret.

he spoke of depression in the 85 RS interview, he did tend to not like weakness which is a problem when it comes to people knowing about his pains and aches. Susan Rogers said, when asked what his greatest quality was; "courage" and then went on to explain how badly he felt and he still worked on. I took it she meant feeling badly either emotionally or physically. But it's true, he never did like to admit vulnerability, i think that's one of the reasons he seemed to hold a grudge against rogers because she has said that he expressed how she "don't believe in me (Prince) anymore" and that he was really in a bad place around the time of the black album, calling her to his studio and scaring the shit out of her with his dilated pupils and requests for her to come back. totally different from his image.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

purplerabbithole said:

Depression and Prince

I was thinking that maybe Prince suffered from depression more than we originally knew. If Judith is to believed, he definitely suffered from it at the end. Susan Rogers referenced depression where P was concerned and his inability to admit it back in the day. Prince did admit depression in older interviews when he talked about his earlier days. I even reckon that P's use of an non=pronouncible symbol of duality instead of just using a different name like he did for the other times he compartmentalized (Camile, Jamie Starr, Alexander Nevermind, Peter Bravestrong.) as a possible indication of depression.. Going without a verbal expression of one's self could be construed by others as a egotistical stunt, but it could also be construed as a way of almost eradicating one's former self.

Recently, Cassandra O'Neal posted about depression on her facebook page. She talked about a male musician who she recently discovered had let depression take him. I don't know if she was talking about P or someone else (maybe it was one of his associates giving in to the pressure of being publically ridiculed for exploiting P without looking out for him when he was alive.) I am not sure who she was talking about. But she talked about musicians being depresssed often due to their being sensitive and observant types and she was tired of seeing musicians take their lives due to depression. I wonder if the insiders suspect that P took his life like some of us do.

Certainly many of his lyrics are dark and autobiographical (as he said 'you can find out everything about me by listening to my music'...I paraphrase) i.e. Anna Stesia, June, Breakdown, etc....so I think you make some thoughtful observations, PRH, and aside from his other-worldly success in making mind-blowing music which must have brought him some pleasure...there was never a family life or the children he wanted...there was a deep hole to fill in his heart IMO.

Well, Jill didn't say anything to him either. Neither did many of the others who are casting blame against anyone who hung out or knew Prince in the last five years of his life. Everyone might suspected something was up, but its not like it is an easy subject to broach especially if he is not popping pills in front of you, is compartmentalizing his life, is denying, is dodging, and is excising those who say anything to him from his world. The sad part is that he had done too good of a job compartmentalizing that folks couldn't get a clear cut concensus on the man. No doubt, there were some who probably didn't give two shits. There were some who probably directly enabled. But I reserve judgment for most of these people. Even Mayte implied that drug taking was happening off and on when they were together, but the extent was unclear, he was mostly functional, the line between PRince eccentricity and drug induced behavior was tough to find, and she was led to believe that he would stop. Maybe, if Prince had gotten help on his trust issues and emotional issues, he could have asked for real help and gotten it. People could have done better and I wish they would admit their regret ---but even when Prince was a prick, I don't think anyone harbored true ill will against him. If people aren't attempting to off Donald Trump right now, why would we think a brilliant musician would be hated so much ---and he is not exactly as rich as many musicians out there and certainly not the only difficult rock star who has ever lived..

Also keep in mind, probably many performers are/were on pain pills for chronic pain. Chronic pain is a total bitch and nobody should have to live their lives with no relief from it and nobody should be forced to give up the one thing (in Prince's case music) that validates and defines him. Prince without music would be suicide. He knew that and everyone knew that. For these reasons, I don't think many of them would have the courage or the heart to say much if he was on a regiment for pain with doctors and legal pills unless he repeatedly overdosed. If they knew he was on counterfit pills, however, it might have been different story..

PennyPurple said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Strawberrylova123 said: Thanks for sharing, Jill brought some great points. One thing to mention Prince did not die from taking his meds he died because someone had a pill made to look just like his usual medication so he would take it without questioning...but that was laced with fentanyl.

Prince didn't have opioids to take, so it wasn't his 'medicine'. They were not obtained legally. He didn't just have 1 pill that was laced with fentanyl, he had multiple pills with fentanyl. It's not like somebody just slipped him a fentanyl laced pill. He or somebody obtained them illegally and got a bad batch, happens all the time when you buy them from the black market.

Chances are very good that most of Prince associates knew of the drug use. Jill even thought something was off when they seen him in Oakland. Evidently it was an open secret.

[Edited 4/30/18 20:49pm]

PeteSilas said:

he spoke of depression in the 85 RS interview, he did tend to not like weakness which is a problem when it comes to people knowing about his pains and aches. Susan Rogers said, when asked what his greatest quality was; "courage" and then went on to explain how badly he felt and he still worked on. I took it she meant feeling badly either emotionally or physically. But it's true, he never did like to admit vulnerability, i think that's one of the reasons he seemed to hold a grudge against rogers because she has said that he expressed how she "don't believe in me (Prince) anymore" and that he was really in a bad place around the time of the black album, calling her to his studio and scaring the shit out of her with his dilated pupils and requests for her to come back. totally different from his image.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Certainly many of his lyrics are dark and autobiographical (as he said 'you can find out everything about me by listening to my music'...I paraphrase) i.e. Anna Stesia, June, Breakdown, etc....so I think you make some thoughtful observations, PRH, and aside from his other-worldly success in making mind-blowing music which must have brought him some pleasure...there was never a family life or the children he wanted...there was a deep hole to fill in his heart IMO.

Maybe Prince did or didn't, but we don't need to start infusing Prince's life with our own issues, as I've seen happen too many times since he died. Prince had his own issues and everybody else has their own issues. And that's it. He was as human and fallible as the rest of us. Prince is no avatar of every fan's internal wet dream of themselves...

[Edited 4/30/18 21:33pm]

Jill did mention that at vanity's memorial that she told appolonia and brenda bennet (?) that "he's on something" Prince seemed to sense they were gossipping and came up to ask "what are you talking about?" however, i don't think it's jills fault, i don't believe she was around him very much for the last 20 years, kinda hard for her to say something out of the blue to someone you aren't even around anymore.

purplerabbithole said:

Well, Jill didn't say anything to him either. Neither did many of the others who are casting blame against anyone who hung out or knew Prince in the last five years of his life. Everyone might suspected something was up, but its not like it is an easy subject to broach especially if he is not popping pills in front of you, is compartmentalizing his life, is denying, is dodging, and is excising those who say anything to him from his world. The sad part is that he had done too good of a job compartmentalizing that folks couldn't get a clear cut concensus on the man. No doubt, there were some who probably didn't give two shits. There were some who probably directly enabled. But I reserve judgment for most of these people. Even Mayte implied that drug taking was happening off and on when they were together, but the extent was unclear, he was mostly functional, the line between PRince eccentricity and drug induced behavior was tough to find, and she was led to believe that he would stop. Maybe, if Prince had gotten help on his trust issues and emotional issues, he could have asked for real help and gotten it. People could have done better and I wish they would admit their regret ---but even when Prince was a prick, I don't think anyone harbored true ill will against him. If people aren't attempting to off Donald Trump right now, why would we think a brilliant musician would be hated so much ---and he is not exactly as rich as many musicians out there and certainly not the only difficult rock star who has ever lived..

Also keep in mind, probably many performers are/were on pain pills for chronic pain. Chronic pain is a total bitch and nobody should have to live their lives with no relief from it and nobody should be forced to give up the one thing (in Prince's case music) that validates and defines him. Prince without music would be suicide. He knew that and everyone knew that. For these reasons, I don't think many of them would have the courage or the heart to say much if he was on a regiment for pain with doctors and legal pills unless he repeatedly overdosed. If they knew he was on counterfit pills, however, it might have been different story..

PennyPurple said:

Prince didn't have opioids to take, so it wasn't his 'medicine'. They were not obtained legally. He didn't just have 1 pill that was laced with fentanyl, he had multiple pills with fentanyl. It's not like somebody just slipped him a fentanyl laced pill. He or somebody obtained them illegally and got a bad batch, happens all the time when you buy them from the black market.

Chances are very good that most of Prince associates knew of the drug use. Jill even thought something was off when they seen him in Oakland. Evidently it was an open secret.

[Edited 4/30/18 20:49pm]

Bodhitheblackdog said:

purplethunder3121 said:

PeteSilas said:

he spoke of depression in the 85 RS interview, he did tend to not like weakness which is a problem when it comes to people knowing about his pains and aches. Susan Rogers said, when asked what his greatest quality was; "courage" and then went on to explain how badly he felt and he still worked on. I took it she meant feeling badly either emotionally or physically. But it's true, he never did like to admit vulnerability, i think that's one of the reasons he seemed to hold a grudge against rogers because she has said that he expressed how she "don't believe in me (Prince) anymore" and that he was really in a bad place around the time of the black album, calling her to his studio and scaring the shit out of her with his dilated pupils and requests for her to come back. totally different from his image.

Maybe Prince did or didn't, but we don't need to start infusing Prince's life with our own issues, as I've seen happen too many times since he died. Prince had his own issues and everybody else has their own issues. And that's it. He was as human and fallible as the rest of us. Prince is no avatar of every fan's internal wet dream of themselves...

[Edited 4/30/18 21:33pm]

just telling you what susan rogers said, and what prince said in his interview. I don't have wet dreams as hard as that is to believe.

purplerabbithole said:

Does Jill bring up that P knew that the pills in his Bayer bottle were the ones he overdosed on in MOlene and that he himself refused to let them be tested. I don't think anyone tricked Prince. The doctor confirmed that there was a Bayer bottle that P refused to admit he even took from or have tested. He took those pills again on the 21st. Remember the watsons were not in a traditional bottle and the fentanly laced ones were in the Bayer bottle while the lidocaine were in the Aleve bottle. Also, he had percocet he could have taken that the doctor gave him. He didn't use them. If Prince thought at one point that the mystery pills were the relatively mild hydrocodone and then overdosed on them requiring two narcan shots to shave him, wouldn't he question at that point if the pills were safe and why didn't he just grab the legit percocet which had never caused an overdose in Molene?

In Moline Prince admitted there was "something else" in the Bayer bottle when Kirk said all he had taked was percocet. They DID take a pill to identify it but they did so by appearance only. They did not test the ingredients in it.

Also, ALL the counterfeit pills Prince had were actually lidocaine. *Some* of them were laced with Fentenyl. There is no real evidence at all that Prince knew they were anything at all but what he expected.

If you read all the interviews you also know that Prince was in denial that the meds were the issue. In Moline he insisted he was just "dreaming" and would have come out of it ok and he stated the Narcan is what messed him up...(also, see Prince's comments about "knowing his own body" and how it reacts to the meds in defense). To Dr S it wasn't the pills making him vomit, it was bad soup, etc...

So, if it seems like people were dragging their feet to get him help, a lot of it is likely because he was dragging his to admit he had a problem. It's not like anyone could force him to do anything and it probably took moving mountains to even get him to take a blood test.