GrayDorian said:

GrayDorian said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

This pic?

Says it all really. Poor Phaedra looks beside herself with grief.

I'm surprised that no statement was taken from Demaris, since she was a close friend.

tmo1965 said:

we hear so much shit and i don't know how much is true. prince was the boss, he didn't have to have no jubilant judas around unless he wanted it that way.

206Michelle said:

bondno9 said:

Sooo Tyka is lurking around on Apollonia's IG page almost as if she's saying "I'm watching you and what you say ..."

Is Tyka commenting on some of Apollonia's posts?

Apollonia has been spending some time in Hawaii (her seond home) for the past couple of months. She posted a pic about Earth Day that Tyka "liked." Pretty unusual because it's not common for Tyka to do that on Apollonia's IG. It clearly was a subtle message from Tyka that she's watching her ... although a couple days later Apollonia posted that cryptic message about "they rocked him to sleep all behind his back"

PeteSilas said:

we hear so much shit and i don't know how much is true. prince was the boss, he didn't have to have no jubilant judas around unless he wanted it that way.

Good point, Pete, none of us should forget that nothing was 'conventional' with Prince since the beginning...it was always his way.

cloveringold85 said:

leec1 said:

My interpretation of what Theo said goes beyond money for Larry's house and paying the band. I feel he was suggesting that Phaedra was stealing funds.

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Yes. He also made it sound like Phaedra seemed to have a stronghold over a lot of people and manipulated people in Prince's camp. The fact that she did not pay people what they were owed, raises a big red flag, imo.

Especially considering she's supposed to be some kind of Labor Activist.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

"The enemy sends people into our lives just as God does. Be wise enough to know who to let in and who to let go." "The devil will walk into a room with tears and will try to make you feel sorry for him." You said these exact words to me in 2014. "Jubilant Judas fakes tears."

What is this from?

bondno9 said:

206Michelle said:

Is Tyka commenting on some of Apollonia's posts?

Apollonia has been spending some time in Hawaii (her seond home) for the past couple of months. She posted a pic about Earth Day that Tyka "liked." Pretty unusual because it's not common for Tyka to do that on Apollonia's IG. It clearly was a subtle message from Tyka that she's watching her ... although a couple days later Apollonia posted that cryptic message about "they rocked him to sleep all behind his back"

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I remember Prince had tweeted or IG something like "Even with eyes this large, I still can't watch you all the time." .

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Who was he referring to?

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes. He also made it sound like Phaedra seemed to have a stronghold over a lot of people and manipulated people in Prince's camp. The fact that she did not pay people what they were owed, raises a big red flag, imo.

Especially considering she's supposed to be some kind of Labor Activist.

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She teamed-up with JayZ now, and started some other organization now.

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“Most people are unaware that more than 70 percent of people in jails haven’t been convicted of anything,” said Phaedra Ellis-Lamkins, the entrepreneur who co-founded the California-based business with a social mission.

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“They are awaiting trial and locked up simply because they lack funds for bail ... Our goal is to use technology to create scale to keep many people out of jail,” she told the Thomson Reuters Foundation.

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https://www.reuters.com/a...SKBN1HX2QE

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poppys said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

"The enemy sends people into our lives just as God does. Be wise enough to know who to let in and who to let go." "The devil will walk into a room with tears and will try to make you feel sorry for him." You said these exact words to me in 2014. "Jubilant Judas fakes tears."

What is this from?

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Apples posted that on her twitter a while back, after Prince died. She said she had a talk with Prince one time, and that is what he said to her.

http://prince.org/msg/5/454215

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RE: Phaedra

cloveringold85 said:

http://prince.org/msg/5/454215

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RE: Phaedra

That thread is locked. Same topic as here.

FlyOnTheWall:

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cloveringold85 said:

Okay, I'm scratching my head with this one.

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This needs to go on the Estate thread.

Actually, I'm glad the OP started this thread because Phaedra's name is taking quite a beating these days, especially since Debra Johnson's interview was made public. It should be known that Phaedra was seeking to make sure that her name was removed as manager of NPG Records. Now, why she ever held that role, to begin with, is another question, altogether; however, assuming Prince was of sound mind, he must have approved that arrangement. That Estate thread is so long and unwieldy that it is very time-consuming to navigate and follow.

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To reply.....: Just because Prince put Phaedra in-charge of Mgr of NPG Records, does not prove she was trustworthy. From what I've been reading from the investigation, Phaedra was good at manipulating people, and perhaps even Prince. He was probably impressed with her intellect and her business savvy mind, and so he trusted her. Lots of people are good at putting an act on--it does not mean they are ethical.

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It appears she was doing something shady.

poppys said:

cloveringold85 said:

http://prince.org/msg/5/454215

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RE: Phaedra

That thread is locked. Same topic as here.

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Yes, just wanted to post it here, as it relates to the investigation.

PeteSilas said:

we hear so much shit and i don't know how much is true. prince was the boss, he didn't have to have no jubilant judas around unless he wanted it that way.

I think far too much has been made of Apples statement over the last couple of years. I always thought it sounded more like him trying to give her advice than his own situation. Obviously at some point, being famous for so long, he will have had to deal with people who pretend to be your friend but would stab u in the back. It isn't about anyone in particular, just a sad reflection on celebrity and fake friends im afraid!

poppys said:

petalthecat said:

PeteSilas said:

we hear so much shit and i don't know how much is true. prince was the boss, he didn't have to have no jubilant judas around unless he wanted it that way.

I think far too much has been made of Apples statement over the last couple of years. I always thought it sounded more like him trying to give her advice than his own situation. Obviously at some point, being famous for so long, he will have had to deal with people who pretend to be your friend but would stab u in the back. It isn't about anyone in particular, just a sad reflection on celebrity and fake friends im afraid!

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We really have no way of knowing what he meant or why he said that. Apples would know.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

cloveringold85 said:

Krystalkisses said:

cloveringold85 said:

petalthecat said:

I think far too much has been made of Apples statement over the last couple of years. I always thought it sounded more like him trying to give her advice than his own situation. Obviously at some point, being famous for so long, he will have had to deal with people who pretend to be your friend but would stab u in the back. It isn't about anyone in particular, just a sad reflection on celebrity and fake friends im afraid!

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We really have no way of knowing what he meant or why he said that. Apples would know.

yup, just another cryptic statement from someone who knew him, god i'm getting sick of that.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Krystalkisses said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

I agree and Appolonia said those words came from Prince...

Was Prince quoting Scripture?

i don't think so, those were allusions rather than quotes.

Krystalkisses said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

I agree and Appolonia said those words came from Prince...

Was Prince quoting Scripture?

He was speaking his Realization

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

GrayDorian said:

‘Jubilant’ from that pic?!

To me that looks more like Damaris (who seems to me to have conducted herself impeccably since Prince’s passing) is somehow managing to maintain her composure, whilst supporting Phaedra, who seems overcome with grief and misery.

Phaedra’s anguish and distress in this pic certainly seems to me to be pretty incongruous with the alleged ‘vulture’ that one or two or my fellow orgers seem to be portraying.

Yet another budding Katherine Hepburn in the Prince camp? I must say it seems that Prince had a rare talent for unintentionally unearthing thespian talent.

Yes ..Phaedra looks the "Jubliant Judas" part ...crocidolite tears and all,just Look her past up it's all there. As well as what Appolonia has said. Phaedra fits the part https://www.facebook.com/...71654125:0 [Edited 4/29/18 12:25pm]

could be real tears, sometimes it ain't just the addict that's in denial it's all their supporters too. just look at lance armstrong and his fans who would argue all day that he was clean.

Lovejunky said:

PeteSilas said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

GrayDorian said: Yes ..Phaedra looks the "Jubliant Judas" part ...crocidolite tears and all,just Look her past up it's all there. As well as what Appolonia has said. Phaedra fits the part https://www.facebook.com/...71654125:0 [Edited 4/29/18 12:25pm]

could be real tears, sometimes it ain't just the addict that's in denial it's all their supporters too. just look at lance armstrong and his fans who would argue all day that he was clean.

Perhaps Prince was referring to someone who was actually trying to help him. How do we know? He misdirected suspicion and paranoia in his time for sure. Love the guy, but he was far from perfect, and shunned people who got too close, whether they meant well or not.

I did feel like some of his camp were keeping information from the police, and didn't like that. But we don't know what the truth is exactly about who supplied him those pills. Heck, he could have ordered them online himself, but I'm guessing he put it in someone else's name if he did.

Feels wrong to drag people through and question their grief because of some comment he allegedly made about some mystery person.

Purpleone4Eva said:

PeteSilas said:

could be real tears, sometimes it ain't just the addict that's in denial it's all their supporters too. just look at lance armstrong and his fans who would argue all day that he was clean.

Perhaps Prince was referring to someone who was actually trying to help him. How do we know? He misdirected suspicion and paranoia in his time for sure. Love the guy, but he was far from perfect, and shunned people who got too close, whether they meant well or not.

I did feel like some of his camp were keeping information from the police, and didn't like that. But we don't know what the truth is exactly about who supplied him those pills. Heck, he could have ordered them online himself, but I'm guessing he put it in someone else's name if he did.

Feels wrong to drag people through and question their grief because of some comment he allegedly made about some mystery person.

could have been, i know the people i tried to help with addiction didn't like me too much either. almost like they are possessed by the substance.