Bodhitheblackdog said:

cloveringold85 said:

.Prince was a junkie? A junkie to me, is some homeless person, shooting up drugs on the street. I don't see it that way -- Prince was in pain and wanted relief from that pain, although he thought he could cure himself.

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After 2-years, it's finally come out that we were all being fed a bunch of bullshit. And that hurts, especially with it coming from those who worked closely with him, and yet they lied for 2-years.

Sorry, the WORST junkie I ever met was a rich physician who had every advantage in life,a spoiled trust funder who had everything handed to him, grew up in Beverly Hills, was a mega-Prince fan, had every material toy you could ever want, perfectly tailored, perfect teeth...perfectly evil.

I mean, hello? What's the difference if you called someone a prostitute, escort, callgirl, working girl, street walker, lot lizard, or a ho, who knowingly was engaged in soliciting sex for money? The price range? The politeness in the word used? End of the day, a spade is a spade.

my 2 cents are that the reasons he took drugs may have been more complicated than simply physical pain relief. First he was addicted so there was withdrawal-avoidance. But I think it's possible that the effect on his mental/emotional state was, perhaps, not undesired by him, let's just say.

cloveringold85 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Sorry, the WORST junkie I ever met was a rich physician who had every advantage in life,a spoiled trust funder who had everything handed to him, grew up in Beverly Hills, was a mega-Prince fan, had every material toy you could ever want, perfectly tailored, perfect teeth...perfectly evil..

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Gotcha!

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Do you think Prince still would have been a junkie, if he never had hip or back pain?

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Do you think his drug use was genetics (Tyka had addictions too).????

XxAxX said:

shednz said:

PeteSilas said:

I speculated on that, myself, but i don't remember anyone who was actually there with firsthand knowledge. I could see it though. Also, his other girlfriend (his first?) kim upsher died a few mos before that.

check out the last two photos of young Prince here http://prince.org/msg/7/420491 . They don't scream 1980s sobriety to me. Not sure exactly when these date - looks 1999 ish?

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I've seen those pics of him and he looked high on something. He would probably say his eyes were bloodshot from working late and being up all night.

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I did want to add -- There were no other illegal substances (coke/pot) in PP found....so, maybe all those rumors were all just bullshit too.

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Nothing really seemed suspicious around PP, other than the illicit pills.

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No sex dungeons either.

Menes said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Sorry, the WORST junkie I ever met was a rich physician who had every advantage in life,a spoiled trust funder who had everything handed to him, grew up in Beverly Hills, was a mega-Prince fan, had every material toy you could ever want, perfectly tailored, perfect teeth...perfectly evil.

I mean, hello? What's the difference if you called someone a prostitute, escort, callgirl, working girl, street walker, lot lizard, or a ho, who knowingly was engaged in soliciting sex for money? The price range? The politeness in the word used? End of the day, a spade is a spade.

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Yea, but lots of women get called sluts and ho's, and they aren't doing it for money.

PeteSilas said:

poppys said:

Any will made through an attorney would be on file even if the physical copy was destroyed. A handwritten or video will is not recognized in Minnesota, where he died. In my state it is and would be considered and/or dragged through court at the very least.

ok so more than likely, no will.

It just occurred to me that I find it completely logically, illogical that Prince wouldn't leave a will. We always knew he was a man of dualities, who never behaved expectedly. Part of his magic is that he has been a chameleon, and done it so incredibly well. The changes in looks, sounds, music, expresssions of spirituality...nothing was ever as expected. After going to Paisley, I realized the dichotomy of his humility mixed with his complete arrogance. Money, things, even those items in the vault...every thing that we expect "should matter" simply didn't. I believe the only thing that mattered to him was his creative process, how the music flowed from him...one can't put that in a will. He always had a wickedly charming sense of humor and I have to believe he knew his entire "inner circle" was nothing but leaches getting that piece of the purple pie, so he decided, in the end, to let them grovel over who got the biggest slice.

shednz said:

bondno9 said:

If it was his drug of choice it should have shown up from his visit on 4-20. Too bad blood wasn't drawn from Moline. If so, we could possibly deduce a pattern of "fentanyl" in his system. Only pattern I've seen so far is hydrocodone (4/20 & 4/21 results). Which fits why LE feels he took counterfeit hydrocodone. The ME even stated the hydrocodonei in his system was a prescribed form. Sooo how did it go from prescribed to counterfeit???

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Fentanyl doesn't stay in the sytem for blood and urine tests for very long at all. SO, if he didn't have anymore fentanyl the day before he went to Schulenberg it wouldn't have shown with the tests Schulenberg took. The lack of fentanyl in his system from those tests shows nothing about his pattern of fentanyl use.

Im pretty sure the ME also stated that the Hydrocodone was not showing up in his blood and only in his urine , as opposed to the fentanyl. I dont know ,but I think theres a quantified science to why that is. One pill? Two different pills? Several pills that altered the metabolites ? Time frame it was taken? Just might be worth a search.

Menes said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Sorry, the WORST junkie I ever met was a rich physician who had every advantage in life,a spoiled trust funder who had everything handed to him, grew up in Beverly Hills, was a mega-Prince fan, had every material toy you could ever want, perfectly tailored, perfect teeth...perfectly evil.

I mean, hello? What's the difference if you called someone a prostitute, escort, callgirl, working girl, street walker, lot lizard, or a ho, who knowingly was engaged in soliciting sex for money? The price range? The politeness in the word used? End of the day, a spade is a spade.

And the fact that he was beautiful, powerful, desirable, rich, mega-talented, a GENIUS made it EASIER for him to avoid being labeled a junkie or loser. It was protective coloration...as was no long-term romantic interest (a steady partner who loved him would have found out eventually and it would have been public and messy had she tried to help or demanded he get help...yeah, everyone wants a lover whose bedside table is filled with fleet enemas)...his quirks of control, privacy, paranoia, odd thinking (chemtrails?) were/are also common behaviors of the addict...sorry, but I left out lying, manipulation and CONTROL.

cloveringold85 said:

Menes said:

I mean, hello? What's the difference if you called someone a prostitute, escort, callgirl, working girl, street walker, lot lizard, or a ho, who knowingly was engaged in soliciting sex for money? The price range? The politeness in the word used? End of the day, a spade is a spade.

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Yea, but lots of women get called sluts and ho's, and they aren't doing it for money.

Hence the word, "knowingly".

disch said:

my 2 cents are that the reasons he took drugs may have been more complicated than simply physical pain relief. First he was addicted so there was withdrawal-avoidance. But I think it's possible that the effect on his mental/emotional state was, perhaps, not undesired by him, let's just say.

cloveringold85 said:

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Gotcha!

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Do you think Prince still would have been a junkie, if he never had hip or back pain?

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Do you think his drug use was genetics (Tyka had addictions too).????

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Yes. I also think he got into trouble because he wasn't getting any pain managment. And, he went straight for the hard stuff. Fentanyl is used as a last resort, when all other options/treatments have failed. For all we know, he might have been getting opiods from his Chiropractor.

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I think Prince had a lot of angles he used to get his pills. He had Kirk, and he was probably giving pills to Prince. Oh yea, and Kirk got pills for a cracked tooth before the concert in Atlanta. I wonder if Kirk has a problem too? There is no end to this......

cloveringold85 said:

Seeing the empty containers of enema's is very sad. Was he crushing the pills and taking them that way (the other end)?

No. They were tested for drugs and none were found in the bottles.

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Some other things that I found disturbing were all of the trash bags laying around PP that contained Prince's clothing and other personal items - why were they thrown away? It seems like someone/several people were rummaging through Prince's stuff. Some of this clothing racks looked like someone pulled clothes off in a hurry and got out of there. Makes me so sad to see this.

Those photos with all the trash bags were from nearly three weeks later when Bremer was no doubt starting their inventory and organization of items. Non-valuables were being tossed (no one needs to preserve an old Scope bottle, etc... Note they were gathering up audio & video material and moving it to the Vault area, as well.

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

because they wanted to see what they could find. He wouldn't tell them shit would he. can't blame the man, i'm an indian and I have a real hard time trusting white people period especially authority figures. that's something that we blacks/indians have to look at.

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Native Americans aren't black. Whatchutalkinbout??

now you just trying to argue, both of us have a history of doctors doing things to us that have left major distrust issues, hence, i, prince, many others don't trust them.

PennyPurple said:

PeteSilas said:

when i hear about the healthy shit he did it just reminds me of my sister the alcoholic who would drink till her liver barely functioned and then drink cranberry juice as if they would somehow fix the damage. I think addicts probably do that kind of thing commonly.

Heck he might as well enjoyed life and ate a steak.

As much as it hurts me to acknowledge it, the "clean eating, vegetarian" lifestyle may have been more of a necessity than a choice. From what we now know, I don't think his body could have tolerated meat in the condition he was in for who knows how long.

Menes said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yea, but lots of women get called sluts and ho's, and they aren't doing it for money.

Hence the word, "knowingly".

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Ahhhh, okay!

shednz said:

PeteSilas said:

I speculated on that, myself, but i don't remember anyone who was actually there with firsthand knowledge. I could see it though. Also, his other girlfriend (his first?) kim upsher died a few mos before that.

check out the last two photos of young Prince here http://prince.org/msg/7/420491 . They don't scream 1980s sobriety to me. Not sure exactly when these date - looks 1999 ish?

ya, i remember those now and the past commentary on them. my opinion? don't know.

cloveringold85 said:

will someone please send me a link so I can see all these pictures of Paisley Park...Thank -you

cloveringold85 said:

Menes said:

Pete, when is your first session?

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I can never tell if Pete is really serious or just jerking our chain!

first?? more like 10,001 fucker.

jtfolden said:

cloveringold85 said:

Seeing the empty containers of enema's is very sad. Was he crushing the pills and taking them that way (the other end)?

No. They were tested for drugs and none were found in the bottles.

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Some other things that I found disturbing were all of the trash bags laying around PP that contained Prince's clothing and other personal items - why were they thrown away? It seems like someone/several people were rummaging through Prince's stuff. Some of this clothing racks looked like someone pulled clothes off in a hurry and got out of there. Makes me so sad to see this.

Those photos with all the trash bags were from nearly three weeks later when Bremer was no doubt starting their inventory and organization of items. Non-valuables were being tossed (no one needs to preserve an old Scope bottle, etc... Note they were gathering up audio & video material and moving it to the Vault area, as well.

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Okay. I still think that people were going through his stuff though. The search warrant did not take place until May 10th. Plenty of time to get stuff out if you wanted to.

PeteSilas said:

i've read a lot of it, judith think's it's 50/50, and rumors were that he was depressed, sounds that way. it's a possibility. you got remember all the possible things we heard:

You have to read that in context to completely understand what she was saying because she also made it very clear that Prince's behavior on that particular day was a sudden and abrupt change. So, her 50/50 comments were about that point in time and NOT in general.

Considering he was under the effects of Fentanyl that day, it's not surprising. Remember he also commented he could barely stay awake on stage which she thought was seriously concerning.

Nooriginalusername said:

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Native Americans aren't black. Whatchutalkinbout??

now you just trying to argue, both of us have a history of doctors doing things to us that have left major distrust issues, hence, i, prince, many others don't trust them.

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Honestly, I don't like to argue. You mentioning white people seemed like you were trying to stir the pot.

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I actually have Native American blood in my family.

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There are good doctors and bad doctors -- I don't see why you have to attach race to it.

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Do you think Conrad Murray was a good doctor?

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I can never tell if Pete is really serious or just jerking our chain!

first?? more like 10,001 fucker.

Word is she might be eloping with WhiteDude after making up on the lisptick site. I'm not sure of how much love she has left.

bondno9 said:

shednz said:

Fentanyl doesn't stay in the sytem for blood and urine tests for very long at all. SO, if he didn't have anymore fentanyl the day before he went to Schulenberg it wouldn't have shown with the tests Schulenberg took. The lack of fentanyl in his system from those tests shows nothing about his pattern of fentanyl use.

If it doesn’t stay long then why did tox screen from 4/21 show itin his blood?

Ummm, because it was mere hours after he took it and he died?

Nooriginalusername said:

PennyPurple said:

Heck he might as well enjoyed life and ate a steak.

As much as it hurts me to acknowledge it, the "clean eating, vegetarian" lifestyle may have been more of a necessity than a choice. From what we now know, I don't think his body could have tolerated meat in the condition he was in for who knows how long.

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I think some hearty beef stew would have done his body some good. I don't think his Mother was very nurturing. I wonder if she even prepared Prince a good home-cooked meal? From what I gather of Prince's childhood, and living on his own at such a young age -- it seemed like he missed out on a lot. This is why he always worked, 24/7. He didn't know what a vacation was, or relaxing; taking time for yourself. It's kinda sad he didn't have that.

kmama07 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I've seen those pics of him and he looked high on something. He would probably say his eyes were bloodshot from working late and being up all night.

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I did want to add -- There were no other illegal substances (coke/pot) in PP found....so, maybe all those rumors were all just bullshit too.

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Nothing really seemed suspicious around PP, other than the illicit pills.

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No sex dungeons either.

I'll admit to being somewhat disappointed in the no sex dungeon part...

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.........You wanted to see the whips and chains, he-heee

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

now you just trying to argue, both of us have a history of doctors doing things to us that have left major distrust issues, hence, i, prince, many others don't trust them.

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Honestly, I don't like to argue. You mentioning white people seemed like you were trying to stir the pot.

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I actually have Native American blood in my family.

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There are good doctors and bad doctors -- I don't see why you have to attach race to it.

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Do you think Conrad Murray was a good doctor?

conrad murray is a reaction to the ingrained distrust, I had to learn a lesson like that myself when i worked for an Indian who was worse than any white people i ever worked for. In truth, none of us can take any kind of moral highground anymore, we're too tainted, but where it started for us was our interaction with europeans, before that, we had a virtual eden here.

Menes said:

PeteSilas said:

first?? more like 10,001 fucker.

Word is she might be eloping with WhiteDude after making up on the lisptick site. I'm not sure of how much love she has left.

i believe it, they say there is usually a strong aspect of attraction to revulsion.

disch said:

my 2 cents are that the reasons he took drugs may have been more complicated than simply physical pain relief. First he was addicted so there was withdrawal-avoidance. But I think it's possible that the effect on his mental/emotional state was, perhaps, not undesired by him, let's just say.

I agree with this... In Moline, when Prince was trying to say it was the Narcan that messed him up, if i recall correctly at one point he told Judith that he was just "dreaming" and would have come out of it.

jtfolden said:

PeteSilas said:

i've read a lot of it, judith think's it's 50/50, and rumors were that he was depressed, sounds that way. it's a possibility. you got remember all the possible things we heard:

You have to read that in context to completely understand what she was saying because she also made it very clear that Prince's behavior on that particular day was a sudden and abrupt change. So, her 50/50 comments were about that point in time and NOT in general.

Considering he was under the effects of Fentanyl that day, it's not surprising. Remember he also commented he could barely stay awake on stage which she thought was seriously concerning.

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Those drugs were really affecting his mood. JH really didn't know what was going on with him. It was noted that after the concert in Atlanta, Prince was all "hyped", then they were sitting on the plane......and it happened.....the eyes fixed.

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Kirk also implied that Prince needed something when he woke up, to take the edge off........Kirk knew.